Re: enzymes - Suze

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> Source Naturals HCl and pepsin, which is in tablet form. I think you

> should seriously consider using a good HCl and pepsin product along

> with the digestive enzymes. If your gut's messed up from gluten,

> dysbiosis or whatever, then the extra HCl and pepsin should be very

> helpful.

>

> >

> >But since the original question I have seen you post on the GFCf list

> >about proteolytic enzymes for Candida and you have me curious. i

> have

> >not heard of them used this way before. So I will try to find some

> >info about this, but would apprecciate anything you can say.

>

> recommends using a product that has both cellulases and

> proteases. I think she suggests one of the Enzymedica products with

> cellulases as well as Peptizyde for the powerful proteases. IIRC,

> that's because yeast have a celloluse and proteinaceous coating so

> these enzymes break down the coating allowing the antifungals to get

> into the cells and do their thing. I've used " Candex " before which is

> just cellulase. But it makes sense to me to use proteases as well, as

> they can work on all kinds of toxins and debris as well as yeast.

> This is basically the point of taking proteolytic enzymes. As I

> cautioned before though, it's best to start out with a small dose as

> not everyone handles proteolytic proteases well.

>

> If you go to 's website - www.enzymestuff.com - she's got

> specific product recommendations for this. I'm sure peptizyde is one,

> but I don't recall the specific Enzymedica one, or even if I'm

> remembering correctly that it WAS an enzymedica product with the

> cellulasees.

>

>

>

> Correct. Another thing you can do if you can't find good enzyme

> products in gelatin capsules, is to empty the capsule contents in

> water and drink it. This may not be such a good idea with *HCl*

> though, but I think I read of people doing this on the autism lists

> nonetheless. Or maybe you can take something acidic with the plant-

> based capsules like lemon water, kimchi, etc. I eat kimchi with every

> meal and usually swig down some fairly acidic EM before each meal,

> for instance.

For the last 6 months or so I have not been able to eat anything

fermented and lemons are something I can only do in very small

quantities and very occasionally. Both of them do something to

disturb my metabolism so that i wake up in the middle of the night for

several hours and then feel lousy for several days after. Metabolic

Typing helped me to pinpoint the lemons several years ago. the

fermented foods are a recent problem (causing the same result as

lemons) which I figured out myself...but I don't understand why.

Although in his talk mentioned that fermented foods are too

" strong " for some protein types. I don't know what he meant by that

but it does indicate that I may have shifted further down the continuum.

Also, I have tried HCL and pepsin and found it aggravated the skin

condition I am dealing with...OOOH now that I write this

>

> BTW, in an earlier email you said you have Houston enzymes. Which

> one? If it's peptizyde I wanted to mention that 's data suggest

> that in non-ASD gluten sensitive folks, peptizyde tends to make their

> GS symptoms *worse*. It seems to make them MORE reactive to gluten

> rather than less. This doesn't go for everyone, but in the reports

> she collected from Celiacs using peptizyde, the trend was that their

> reactions to gluten became worse on the enzymes. Personally, I didn't

> notice any difference whatsoever. However, I was taking peptizyde for

> about a year with any gluten ingestion *before* I took the enterolab

> test. As you may have seen, my result was negative for antigliadin

> antibodies but positive for antitissue transglutaminase antibodies,

> which may mean that I'm gluten sensitve. So, it's possible that

> peptizyde *caused* my ATTG levels to be higher than they would

> normally be. But this is all speculation. The bottom line is that you

> should be careful about using Peptizyde if you're gluten sensitive in

> an non-ASD way

ASD...Asperger's Syndrome D???. If I understand you then i am not.

And what I have is HN-Zyme Prime But what would it matter if it was

Peptizyde I am not ingesting *any* gluten.(And i am not interested in

finding a way to eat gluten. The interest in enzymes is just to

enhance my digestion, especially since I am not eating any ferments)

I think I remember that the problem here was that the Peptizyde would

cause the gliaden to get through the gut wall more easily. But if i

am not ASD and not eating gluten what would be the problem....except

that it is still in a veg cap....Could I just empty the cap onto my food?

>

> Having said that, I don't believe it would be a problem for Celiacs

> to use peptizyde *between* meals as a proteolytic enzyme. I think I

> will ask her opinion on that though. I'll let you know.

Thanks, I'll be interested in hearing.

Ellen

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>

> >I think I remember that the problem here was that the Peptizyde would

> >cause the gliaden to get through the gut wall more easily.

>

> Hmmm...I don't recally reading that anywhere, but I tend to doubt

that's the

> issue. Peptizyde contains an enzyme called DPP IV which cleaves

> gluteomorphin peptides which are only 7 amino acids long. These are the

> peptides that bind with receptors in the brain and cause behavioral and

> cognitive problems. The gluten peptide (gliadin) which causes

Celiac-type

> folks a problem is *33* amino acids long. I *think* it's different

than the

> gluteomorphin peptide, although I suppose the gluteomorphin peptide

could be

> a part of the larger gliadin chain, but I haven't been able to find

out if

Well, I definitely couldn't remember all that and i am not even sure I

understand it. But, I guess the essence is that the Peptizyde breaks

down the gluten, or aspects thereof, so thoroughly that it causes

problems in the brain, for some people. Which is more or less what I

meant. (HaHa, exchanges like this are so helpful for me to see how

imprecise i actually am)

Ellen

Ellen