Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

[Guest guest]

I am not sure why you think it would be fair for the dairy to do away with the list . They have fairfull long term customers who always buy from them , not just customers who are going with the latest fad . I applaud them for sticking to there guns and doing the right thing . I think you would feel different if you were on th "list"

Patty

dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

Hi All,Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to do a little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough milk to keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and the most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is amazing and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So, naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original customers that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come, first serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not on that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll in the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-) Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait until the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)Happy New Year!

[Guest guest]

I do understand the two sides to this coin and, of course, I would feel

differently if I were on the list. But, it still doesn't change how I

feel when I get turned away now. Also, they are operating a store, not

just a pick up location, so therefore a list seems unnecessary. I

really don't see this as a 'fad', though. I can't see those who have

now become aware of the benefits of raw milk, turning back to the cooked

version. I certainly won't.

FORBES FARM wrote:

>

> I am not sure why you think it would be fair for the dairy to do away

> with the list . They have fairfull long term customers who always buy

> from them , not just customers who are going with the latest fad . I

> applaud them for sticking to there guns and doing the right thing . I

> think you would feel different if you were on th " list "

>

> Patty

>

> * dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

>

> Hi All,

> Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to

> do a

> little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

> originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough

> milk to

> keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and the

> most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is

> amazing

> and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

> naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original customers

> that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come,

> first

> serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not on

> that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll in

> the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)

> Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be

> abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all

> think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm

> (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait until

> the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> Happy New Year!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Patty,

By the way, is it commonplace for small dairy farmers to have a list

like this?

Shelli wrote:

>

> I do understand the two sides to this coin and, of course, I would feel

> differently if I were on the list. But, it still doesn't change how I

> feel when I get turned away now. Also, they are operating a store, not

> just a pick up location, so therefore a list seems unnecessary. I

> really don't see this as a 'fad', though. I can't see those who have

> now become aware of the benefits of raw milk, turning back to the cooked

> version. I certainly won't.

>

> FORBES FARM wrote:

> >

> > I am not sure why you think it would be fair for the dairy to do away

> > with the list . They have fairfull long term customers who always buy

> > from them , not just customers who are going with the latest fad . I

> > applaud them for sticking to there guns and doing the right thing . I

> > think you would feel different if you were on th " list "

> >

> > Patty

> >

> > * dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

> >

> > Hi All,

> > Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to

> > do a

> > little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

> > originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough

> > milk to

> > keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and the

> > most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is

> > amazing

> > and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

> > naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original customers

> > that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come,

> > first

> > serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not on

> > that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll in

> > the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)

> > Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be

> > abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all

> > think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm

> > (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait until

> > the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> > Happy New Year!

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I do not have "list " but I do have reg customers and there is no way I would sell there milk to someone else. They pay my grain bill plus. They have been here every week come bad weather or family illness. I even went to milking year round for them and considering its -10 today that’s a biggie.

I think its good buisness to take care of those who have taken care of you Now if I had customers who came every now and then ..then no I would not reserve there milk.

can you call ahead and ask them to save milk ? Ask if they have it .explain its takes you say 1 hour to get there and if they could please hold it for you . if they will and you show up I am sure they will be willing to do it again.

this is the way they make there paycheck and they want to make everyone happy if possible . You have to understand farming and milking is a hard job . when you’re a farmer its 24 hours a day 7 days a week . milking is the easy part ..all the behind the scenes is the hard part.

Patty

* dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!> >> > Hi All,> > Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to> > do a> > little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I> > originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough> > milk to> > keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and the> > most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is> > amazing> > and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,> > naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original customers> > that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come,> > first> > serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not on> > that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll in> > the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)> > Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be> > abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all> > think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm> > (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait until> > the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)> > Happy New Year!> >> >>>

[Guest guest]

I have been a customer for a little over a year now. I call ahead, but

she doesn't know how much extra milk they will have until after 11 am,

so by the time I get there, it's all gone. She has held milk for me in

the past, if she could, but did not do that for me yesterday. I saw the

farm owner yesterday and I thought about begging him, or bribing, him to

get on the list;-). Although, since demand has risen in recent months,

they have raised the milk price from $5/gal to $6.5/gal, which makes it

quite expensive. I'm still willing to pay, since I drive out for their

water also and with gas prices so high, it makes sense. I know farming

is hard work, which is why I support organic farming. My dream is to

move out to PA in the next two years and have a small personal farm with

a jersey cow. My husband laughs at me because every time I'm online, I'm

researching cows;-)

FORBES FARM wrote:

>

> I do not have " list " but I do have reg customers and there is no way

> I would sell there milk to someone else. They pay my grain bill plus.

> They have been here every week come bad weather or family illness. I

> even went to milking year round for them and considering its -10 today

> that’s a biggie.

> I think its good buisness to take care of those who have taken care of

> you Now if I had customers who came every now and then ..then no I

> would not reserve there milk.

> can you call ahead and ask them to save milk ? Ask if they have it

> .explain its takes you say 1 hour to get there and if they could

> please hold it for you . if they will and you show up I am sure they

> will be willing to do it again.

> this is the way they make there paycheck and they want to make

> everyone happy if possible . You have to understand farming and

> milking is a hard job . when you’re a farmer its 24 hours a day 7 days

> a week . milking is the easy part ..all the behind the scenes is the

> hard part.

> Patty

>

> * dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

> > >

> > > Hi All,

> > > Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to

> > > do a

> > > little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

> > > originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough

> > > milk to

> > > keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows

> and the

> > > most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is

> > > amazing

> > > and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

> > > naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original

> customers

> > > that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come,

> > > first

> > > serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm

> not on

> > > that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others

> stroll in

> > > the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)

> > > Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be

> > > abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all

> > > think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm

> > > (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and

> wait until

> > > the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> > > Happy New Year!

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

There price has probally gone up not from demand but due to gas and grain costs rising . Grain has gone insane . It costs more to produc it because of the gas prices. Also a lot of corn is used for heat and also making fuel.

You may want to look into parts of upstate Ny also. what does Hubby do for a living ? Have you tried fresh raw goats milk ..good fresh clean goats milk tatses great not "goatie" . It is also a lot cheaper and easier to care for a goat than a cow . Pound for pound goats eat less and produce more milk. Just food for thought .

Good luck

Patty

* dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!> > >> > > Hi All,> > > Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to> > > do a> > > little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I> > > originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough> > > milk to> > > keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows> and the> > > most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is> > > amazing> > > and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,> > > naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original> customers> > > that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come,> > > first> > > serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm> not on> > > that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others> stroll in> > > the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)> > > Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be> > > abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all> > > think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm> > > (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and> wait until> > > the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)> > > Happy New Year!> > >> > >> >> >>> PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/Archive search: http://onibasu.com

[Guest guest]

Shelli, are they considering expanding their operations? If they

are, tell them you're willing to commit to a certain purchase every

week if they'll start a waiting list.

In the meantime, are there other conventional dairy farms in the

area? Maybe some of them should be encouraged to check out the idea

of possibly transitioning to a raw-milk operation. If your farmer

has had to go to $6.5 per gallon, that would be an encouragment to

entry for other farmers.

We're seeing similar issues here in Cincinnati. I got one of the

last cowshares from my farmer before he started a waiting list.

Val

> I have been a customer for a little over a year now. I call ahead, but

> she doesn't know how much extra milk they will have until after 11 am,

> so by the time I get there, it's all gone. She has held milk for me in

> the past, if she could, but did not do that for me yesterday. I saw

> the

> farm owner yesterday and I thought about begging him, or bribing,

> him to

> get on the list;-). Although, since demand has risen in recent months,

> they have raised the milk price from $5/gal to $6.5/gal, which

> makes it

> quite expensive. I'm still willing to pay, since I drive out for their

> water also and with gas prices so high, it makes sense. I know farming

> is hard work, which is why I support organic farming. My dream is to

> move out to PA in the next two years and have a small personal farm

> with

> a jersey cow. My husband laughs at me because every time I'm

> online, I'm

> researching cows;-)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FORBES FARM wrote:

>>

>> I do not have " list " but I do have reg customers and there is no way

>> I would sell there milk to someone else. They pay my grain bill plus.

>> They have been here every week come bad weather or family illness. I

>> even went to milking year round for them and considering its -10

>> today

>> that’s a biggie.

>> I think its good buisness to take care of those who have taken

>> care of

>> you Now if I had customers who came every now and then ..then no I

>> would not reserve there milk.

>> can you call ahead and ask them to save milk ? Ask if they have it

>> .explain its takes you say 1 hour to get there and if they could

>> please hold it for you . if they will and you show up I am sure they

>> will be willing to do it again.

>> this is the way they make there paycheck and they want to make

>> everyone happy if possible . You have to understand farming and

>> milking is a hard job . when you’re a farmer its 24 hours a day 7

>> days

>> a week . milking is the easy part ..all the behind the scenes is the

>> hard part.

>> Patty

>>

>> * dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

>>>>

>>>> Hi All,

>>>> Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to

>>>> do a

>>>> little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

>>>> originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough

>>>> milk to

>>>> keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows

>> and the

>>>> most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is

>>>> amazing

>>>> and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

>>>> naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original

>> customers

>>>> that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come,

>>>> first

>>>> serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm

>> not on

>>>> that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others

>> stroll in

>>>> the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)

>>>> Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be

>>>> abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all

>>>> think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm

>>>> (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and

>> wait until

>>>> the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

>>>> Happy New Year!

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

> PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!

> Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

>

> Archive search: http://onibasu.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI Shelli

We are farmers and understand the customers plight. We have our "big customers" on a schedule. Our busiest days are Tues, Wed, Thurs and Sat. We have several other customers that come in between but we ENCOURAGE them to come early in the week for best supply if they only get one or two gallons. Some of the "smaller customers" call to see if we have some available (they are all local) and we tell them if we have anything in the cooler.

For us, during this time of year at least, production is way down, and some of the girls have been dried off already for calving (we start calving in March) Out of ten cows that we milked this summer we are down to four milking now and they only give about eight gal of milk once a day. After calving starts we will have milk coming our ears!

We try to accommodate everyone but the girls only give so much.

Maybe find out from your farmer when their busiest days are and see if you can come on a different day.

Best of luck

Ro

dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

Hi All,Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to do a little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough milk to keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and the most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is amazing and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So, naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original customers that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come, first serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not on that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll in the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-) Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait until the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)Happy New Year!

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[Guest guest]

the complaint, below, reveals how far-removed Americans are from operating in real free enterprise. The very simple solution would be for the farmer to raise the prices ... that quickly sorts out allocation ... those who value something the most, outbid the rest. If such demand is there, not being met, where's the entrepreneur to fill the gap?

As the European central bank created half a trillion Euros out of thin air last month, and the dictator at the helm of the Federal Reserve does the same with the US moneysupply, it's bleeding obvious hyper-inflation is underway. The last to know about it will be the ones at ground-level = farmers

The farmers you're talking about are no doubt good-hearted. But if their price for REAL MILK hasn't gone up, they're stealing from themselves.

Starting with one cow in May 2007, we have six cows in milk for 120 shareholders today. Our shareholders pay $15 per gallon / $16 in quart jars. That price will be going up in April by about $2 per gallon. Yes, that's the most expensive raw milk in N. America. The fact that we get it and an inquiry for a share every day, says it all.

|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||>> Hi All,> Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to do a > little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I > originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough milk to > keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and the > most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is amazing > and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So, > naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original customers > that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come, first > serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not on > that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll in > the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-) > Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be > abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all > think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm > (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait until > the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)> Happy New Year!>

[Guest guest]

Seems the obvious thing to do is call her after 11am to see if she has

extra that she can hold for you.

I have regular egg customers. Some getting 5-10 dozen a week. Those

orders are always filled first with the " sometime " folks later.

There's no room for me to add more regulars as the hens are not laying

all that much. So much like your farmer, I have a list in my head of

folks who come first. It's called good business.

Belinda

>

> I have been a customer for a little over a year now. I call ahead, but

> she doesn't know how much extra milk they will have until after 11 am,

> so by the time I get there, it's all gone. She has held milk for me in

> the past, if she could, but did not do that for me yesterday. I saw the

> farm owner yesterday and I thought about begging him, or bribing,

him to

> get on the list;-). Although, since demand has risen in recent months,

> they have raised the milk price from $5/gal to $6.5/gal, which makes it

> quite expensive. I'm still willing to pay, since I drive out for their

> water also and with gas prices so high, it makes sense. I know farming

> is hard work, which is why I support organic farming. My dream is to

> move out to PA in the next two years and have a small personal farm

with

> a jersey cow. My husband laughs at me because every time I'm online,

I'm

> researching cows;-)

>

[Guest guest]

Shelli and everyone not raising their own animals/food,

I would imnagine that the price has gone up more for the these reasons,

1) If those animals are grain fed the price of grain has gone up. My

chicken feed went up 13% over the last 3 weeks

2) just like your gas costs you more it costs the farmer more. That

means more for hauling hay bails out to the cows, more to bail hay,

etc.

3)The cost of electric has also gone up which will also result in

higher prices.

4) Because it was so dry this year the price of hay has gone through

the roof. I know people in PA that have paid $6.50 per 50# bail.

That's as opposed to $3-$4 I doubt your farmer buys his hay but he may

be buying some because it was so dry.

I know your situation must be very frustrating but I don't think your

farmer is trying to make a killing by jacking up the price $1.50 Just

for the record $6.50 a gallon is not a bad price. I hope things get

settled for you shortly and you have a steady supply of raw milk.

Lucinda in PA

Although, since demand has risen in recent months,

> they have raised the milk price from $5/gal to $6.5/gal, which makes

it

> quite expensive. I'm still willing to pay, since I drive out for

their

> water also and with gas prices so high, it makes sense. >

>

[Guest guest]

Right! That's why we all need to win the lottery, so we can keep

farming 'till it's gone. <G>

Belinda

>

You do not farm to get rich you farm because you love it

>

>

> Patty

[Guest guest]

Right! That's why we all need to win the lottery, so we can keep

farming 'till it's gone. <G>

Belinda

>

You do not farm to get rich you farm because you love it

>

>

> Patty

[Guest guest]

If this is true, why is goat milk more expensive than cow milk?FORBES FARM wrote:It is also a lot cheaper and easier to care for a goat than a cow . Pound for pound goats eat less and produce more milk. Just food for thought .Good luckPatty

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It takes a lot more money and time to keep goats healthy in a milking operation. Goats given a choice eat plants above there knees They like weeds and leaves etc. In a barn yard they are forced to eat at ground level. They need hay feeders were they cannot reingest worm eggs from there feces. In a pasture setting they need grass high enough that the worms cannot climb to the top to be eaten . Lots do not understand this so they have worm and coccidia problems. That equals money for medications and actual loss of animals and lower milk production.

There are very few wormers and other meds fda approved for goats there is not big $ in it for the drug companies to do the research and get them FDA approved. Therefore us goat people need to go off label / getting your program down can take years and money .We have to guess what minerals and amounts we really need in each area . A mineral made for someone out west may not be what we need in the north.

There is not a lot of goat dairies in the US . The Us is one of the very few nations that drink more cows milk than goats . With not a lot of suppliers price goes up .

Now that I told you more than you ever wanted to know ...have a good night.

Patty

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Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

If this is true, why is goat milk more expensive than cow milk?FORBES FARM <FORBESFARMMSN (DOT) COM> wrote:It is also a lot cheaper and easier to care for a goat than a cow . Pound for pound goats eat less and produce more milk. Just food for thought .Good luckPatty

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Hi Patty, could you explain a bit more about how high the grass needs to be? We are looking at both cows and goats for our family milk and wondering which would be better for our setup. We don't have improved pastures yet-lots of weedy open fields surrounded by hedgerows. My daughter next door has good hay land but she is letting it go wild right now and it has a lot more thicker stuff. How will that affect not only worms but the taste of the milk? thanks,Barbara Hollands ( if the name looks familiar, my son Dan, the trooper, bought one of your pups a while back!)

Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

In a pasture setting they need grass high enough that the worms cannot climb to the top to be eaten . Lots do not understand this so they have worm and coccidia problems. That equals money for medications and actual loss of animals and lower milk production.

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty, could you explain a bit more about how high the grass needs to be? We are looking at both cows and goats for our family milk and wondering which would be better for our setup. We don't have improved pastures yet-lots of weedy open fields surrounded by hedgerows. My daughter next door has good hay land but she is letting it go wild right now and it has a lot more thicker stuff. How will that affect not only worms but the taste of the milk? thanks,Barbara Hollands ( if the name looks familiar, my son Dan, the trooper, bought one of your pups a while back!)

Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

In a pasture setting they need grass high enough that the worms cannot climb to the top to be eaten . Lots do not understand this so they have worm and coccidia problems. That equals money for medications and actual loss of animals and lower milk production.

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb , yes I knew it was you . I actually talked to cheryl awhile back .

Grass she be knee high for best results. Also rotational grazing is great or grazing cows after goats . The cows will eat the grass low and ingest the little buggers which will not infect the cows. Cows {most} are pickie eaters . Highland cows tend to eat almost anything. Goats thrive on a variety of weeds. Most people cannot tatse a difference in there milk unless onion grass is eaten. I however can tell you what they ate ...not a good thing.

With good fencing goats are the way to go . Much easier to handle . Less manure to clean up in the winter also.11 goats here eat 1-2 bales a day plus there grain. But I have growing babies and heavy milkers. You are welcome in spring to come on up and see the girls . If you decide on goats please contact me so I can tell you what they should be tested for etc.

Patty

Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

In a pasture setting they need grass high enough that the worms cannot climb to the top to be eaten . Lots do not understand this so they have worm and coccidia problems. That equals money for medications and actual loss of animals and lower milk production.

[Guest guest]

Starting with one cow in May 2007, we have six cows in milk for 120

shareholders today. Our shareholders pay $15 per gallon / $16 in

quart jars. That price will be going up in April by about $2 per

gallon. Yes, that's the most expensive raw milk in N. America. The

fact that we get it and an inquiry for a share every day, says it all.

Oh my gosh - I about fell off my chair and the first thing I thought

was are these cows producing liquid gold!

I can certainly appreciate how hard you farmers work, but $17.00 a

gallon - that is downright outrageous.

You must only cater to the upper class because being a single mom of

3, consuming raw milk would not be an option for us at that price. So

on that note - THANK YOU Wayne and Janet for producing a wonderful

healthy product that is affordable to give to my children!

Teri

[Guest guest]

can you start a carpool to the other farm? that's what people do here. they take

turns

driving to a farm that is 60 miles away, one-way. when you say 2 hours, is that

2 hours

one-way or round-trip?

>

> Hi All,

> Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to do a

> little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

> originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough milk to

> keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and the

> most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is amazing

> and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

> naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original customers

> that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come, first

> serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not on

> that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll in

> the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)

> Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be

> abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all

> think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm

> (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait until

> the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> Happy New Year!

>

[Guest guest]

no, it's not "insane" ... in practice, it's exactly the opposite = by exercising our right to use and enjoy our property, we are restoring sanity to the marketplace after the damage done by the Stalinist food supply system we've suffered under for the last generation.

Anyone who wants to can drive across the border to Washington State and buy wonderful REAL MILK there, for about $6.50 per gallon. And lots do. Perfectly legal to bring it back to Canada as groceries, ie. personal property. Make sure you've got half a day to spare in the line-ups, and get psychologically prepared for a border guard to ask you to drop your pants while they do a 'cavity search'. on your way to get cheap milk

I should qualify that price by noting that our shareholders get their milk driven from the farm to depots in the city. So a significant part of that price is transportation. When truckdrivers work for nothing, you can have free delivery

When I joined this forum about four years ago (?) discussion of 'price' got so hot that it was banned for a while. you'll notice that the lady who was adamant that raw milk be as cheap as possible is no longer supplying it. Just as I predicted.

She stole from herself by giving it away for less than the cost of production. She did it as a labor of love, and advocated that everyone else ought to, too. I come from the opposite end of the spectrum ... if REAL MILK is what we say it is, then Let's make the good stuff available to the masses.

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone! after reading all these posts on how much raw milk sells

for,boy oh boy am i glad i found the organic farm i have...i only

pay$2 a gallon...i live in Pa and found my source in sherman,Ny...$15

a gal.???? ...i am sorry but $15 for milk? thats just plain rape!even

gas is only$3 a gal...how do people justify charging $15 a gal??

anyone needing a source for$2 a gal PLEASE let me know..i really

feel bad for anyone paying that outrageous amount.

peace & blessings,Jen

>

> Hi All,

> Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to

do a

> little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

> originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough

milk to

> keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and

the

> most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is

amazing

> and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

> naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original

customers

> that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come,

first

> serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not

on

> that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll

in

> the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)

> Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be

> abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all

> think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm

> (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait

until

> the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> Happy New Year!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone! after reading all these posts on how much raw milk sells

for,boy oh boy am i glad i found the organic farm i have...i only

pay$2 a gallon...i live in Pa and found my source in sherman,Ny...$15

a gal.???? ...i am sorry but $15 for milk? thats just plain rape!even

gas is only$3 a gal...how do people justify charging $15 a gal??

anyone needing a source for$2 a gal PLEASE let me know..i really

feel bad for anyone paying that outrageous amount.

peace & blessings,Jen

>

> Hi All,

> Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to

do a

> little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

> originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough

milk to

> keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and

the

> most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is

amazing

> and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

> naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original

customers

> that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come,

first

> serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not

on

> that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll

in

> the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)

> Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be

> abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all

> think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm

> (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait

until

> the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> Happy New Year!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone! after reading all these posts on how much raw milk sells

for,boy oh boy am i glad i found the organic farm i have...i only

pay$2 a gallon...i live in Pa and found my source in sherman,Ny...$15

a gal.???? ...i am sorry but $15 for milk? thats just plain rape!even

gas is only$3 a gal...how do people justify charging $15 a gal??

anyone needing a source for$2 a gal PLEASE let me know..i really

feel bad for anyone paying that outrageous amount.

peace & blessings,Jen

>

> Hi All,

> Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to

do a

> little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

> originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough

milk to

> keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and

the

> most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is

amazing

> and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

> naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original

customers

> that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come,

first

> serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not

on

> that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll

in

> the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)

> Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be

> abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all

> think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm

> (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait

until

> the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> Happy New Year!

>

[Guest guest]

When everyone here went dry last winter (this will never, ever happen

again) I bought milk from some folks down the road for $2 a gallon.

They asked for $1.50 I paid $2 and felt guilty about being cheap.

Thing is, they have 6-8 kids (never stand still long enough to count)

and the income off the milk is just " extra " . They've probably got it

figured to where their milk is free if they sell some.

Tried to explain to them that they are doing themselves out of extra

income as well as making it difficult for other raw milk producers.

Their price comparison comes from the big dairy down the road so they

feel they're getting a lot for milk when they make twice as much as

the dairy.

Belinda

>

> I pay just under $7 for a gal raw milk and considering all the work

that goes into it, I am more than pleased to get it at that price. I

was raised on a farm, so I know 1st hand how hard the farmers are

working to supply.

>

> If I had found milk at $2 per gal, then I'd be asking myself why so

cheap. Are these farmers really working and feeding the animals for

free? Are the cleaning and safety issues being addressed? Is there

any testing being done for the public's and animal's safety?

>

> lots of things to consider there.

>

> Terri