RE: salt/c therapy for cleansing bacteria and parasites..

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To reply to my own message: I just found a decent explanation for how a

doctor thinks the salt/c parasite cleanse might work. These are his words

not mine:

" The body's set point for serum sodium concentration is tightly

regulated. All sorts of compensatory mechanisms kick in to keep it

in balance, including anti-diuretic hormone (ADH) from the pituitary,

which acts on the kidneys either to excrete or retain more sodium.

Blood pressure is a concern with too much salt, but we know that some

people are salt sensitive and some are not, where BP is concerned.

Drinking lots of water is emphasized on the web site, and that's

wise.I really don't know how high you can drive your serum sodium

level with 12 grams of salt a day. Depends on other things as well:

fluid intake, exercise levels, sweating, heat exposure, dietary

sodium from other sources, on and on. It could be that your

compensatory mechanisms would maintain normal serum osmolarity even

when challenged with 12 gms of salt a day; I just don't know, but

suspect there is a spectrum, a bell curve, in which this would be

well-handled by some people and not by others, as with most things.

The same goes for ingesting 12 gms of ascorbic acid (Vitamin C). I

don't think this will lower the pH of the blood, but can't recall for

sure. As with serum sodium levels, the blood pH is also calibrated

tightly and regulated automatically in healthy adults.

As long as you have normal kidney function, are not salt sensitive in

terms of blood pressure, and keep up a good fluid intake, it's

probably worth a try -- not an official medical recommendation, mind

you. Do you have access to a medical lab? To be on the safe side,

you could always have your serum electrolytes done in the early

stages of therapy, just to make sure things are not out of whack. If

you experience significantly new or different symptoms, such as

palpitations, weakness (more than usual), etc., stop immediately.

And don't go overboard with fluid intake; people can wash out too

much sodium. How much water a day? Let your thirst dictate. I know

these cautions may sound excessively pessimistic, but it basically

amounts to common sense.

I wouldn't get hung up on the theory behind this treatment. My hunch

is that if it works, it does so not by increasing serum osmolarity or

by decreasing the pH, because the body is too smart to let those go

unregulated, but by some pathway that is toxic to the microbes that

has yet to be identified. Would love to see studies using 12 gm of

Vit. C alone, salt alone, both, and neither. "

~Robin

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Robin,

I have seen similar " items " around my stools since starting on a detoxifying

program a couple of years ago. (I say " items " because I was told they were

dried strings of mucus). I have also seen a big reduction of the " buffalo

hump " (called a " knot " ) on the my neck to one side of my spine. (This is

one of about thirty signs of healing I've recorded.) However, I have not

eaten any salt in the last year (depending on the sodium in my daily juicing

of celery) and I have taken no vitamin C (or any other supplement.) in that

time.

This is not to say the site is wrong or giving bad advice. I do think,

though, that it is the work -- and much of it apparently guesswork -- of a

single individual. In spite of the use of " we " throughout, the final

message about the " knot " makes it sounds as though there is only one person

and one knot in question.

If you decide to try this, my only comment would be to avoid table salt, a

true poison, and use celtic or sea salt instead. But you might also want a

second opinion from another ND.

Good luck.

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

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>I have seen similar " items " around my stools since starting on a

>detoxifying

>program a couple of years ago. (I say " items " because I was told they were

>dried strings of mucus). I have also seen a big reduction of the " buffalo

>hump " (called a " knot " ) on the my neck to one side of my spine. (This is

>one of about thirty signs of healing I've recorded.) However, I have not

>eaten any salt in the last year (depending on the sodium in my daily

>juicing

>of celery) and I have taken no vitamin C (or any other supplement.) in that

>time.

A few months ago I watched a documentary on television and some sort of

scientist talked about how parasites are only a problem if you have an

inbalance in your body and then it is thought that they play a helping role.

Sorry I can give you the name of the documentary or any more details -

can't even remember whether he was talking about all parasites or only

specific ones, but I think the implication was all parasites. It was

mentioned how in some Central American communities, diseases such as asthma

and eczema are uncommon but parasites are. When they treat the children

for parasite infestations, they get rid of the parasites, but asthma and

eczema develops. I imagine they can't be talking about eradicating all

parasites, as some seem so hard to get rid of. I also wondered whether

they had considered that the asthma and eczema might be related to the

medication used to eradicate parasites, rather than the absence of

parasites. However, the suggestion was that the parasites will only remain

while there is a positive role for them to play in the body.

Has anyone else heard about this?

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<However, the suggestion was that the parasites will only remain

while there is a positive role for them to play in the body. Has anyone

else heard about this?

>

I do believe this, but I didn't mention it in my previous post because some

time ago I responded to Robin by talking about the theory and I don't think

she found it of interest or believeable. Or maybe she did believe it, but

still wants to get rid of her " invasion. " Which I can understand.

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

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<<<<<<<<<<<< <However, the suggestion was that the parasites will only

remain

while there is a positive role for them to play in the body. Has anyone

else heard about this?>>>>

>>>>>>I do believe this, but I didn't mention it in my previous post because

some

time ago I responded to Robin by talking about the theory and I don't think

she found it of interest or believable. Or maybe she did believe it, but

still wants to get rid of her " invasion. " Which I can understand.

>>>>>>>>>>>

Hi and , Thanks for your responses. I think I need to supply a

missing piece of the parasite puzzle here: Like most people I've always had

parasites and we all lived together quite nicely as those things go. The

problem is that last February I vacationed in Hawaii at a rental home that

had the Most Filthy Carpets in the World. Really nasty and I was careful to

not walk barefoot on them. After a couple of days I noticed a small wound on

the inside of my wrist. The next day another smaller but identical wound

appeared about 3/4 inch away. The next day another small wound identical in

every way appeared 3/4 inch away and so on. These " wounds " were moving in

the direction of my armpit and taken as a whole it became quite obvious that

a skin parasite had invaded me. (I got scabies a long time ago and am

familiar in general with the creepy little things..)

So I went to the emergency room in Hawaii hoping they would be familiar with

this particular parasite. They were not but gave me some insecticidal

ointment to rub into my skin.

It was gross but I thought that was the end of that. After all, skin

parasites don't get into your blood, right? At least that's what I thought..

A couple months after returning from Hawaii, while getting dark field

microscopy done, (I've been looking at my blood regularly for over a year,)

my ND noticed a very big increase in parasites. This coincided with a lot of

extra and new health problems I'd been having -- it really set me back! My

ND gave me something called Worm Squirm and I ingested 12 capsules/day for

about two months.. This helped diminish the parasite population but it was

still much higher than when I went to Hawaii..

I still have many digestive problems that may or may not be not be blamed on

a particular parasite. I'm just investigating various strategies for dealing

with this problem as well as several other suspected causes like bacterial

overgrowth.

My MD told me I am celiac but since I haven't responded to the removal of

gluten (it's been over a year off gluten!) he's looking at several other

causes of my intense abdominal distension, ultra-fatigue and other bowel

issues....

If my parasites are playing a positive role then it must be because some

divine intervention has decided it would be best if I was diminished in some

way... And I'm not quite ready to go!

:-)

~Robin

Ps. I don't plan to do the salt/c but want to keep it as an option. I'll

take it to my doctor and see what he thinks. I mean, ALL of the parasite

treatments are pretty rough --depends on how much of a problem they are and

I don't really know that yet...

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> Robin,

I posted about this on one of these related lists not too long ago.

The discussion was Lyme disease at the time.

I'll try to make this brief and concise! Last fall I was undergoing

a colon cleanse, and using the salt water flush included in the

Master Cleanse (lemon aide cleanse), as well as other things like

Colosan. As a result of drinking so many quarts (a couple of times

a week over a month or so) of salt water flush (using good sea salt)

I expelled some of those very things, the Borrelia burgdorferi. I

remembered reading about something that sounded like it looked like

that on Cure Zone and went to find it. The link was to that very

site you mentioned. There they were! It was weird. I had a tick

bite a few years ago that left a small red pimple like bump for a

few weeks, but nothing more, who knows if I had " Lyme disease " or

not. Then a few months after the colon cleansing I thought I was

coming down with the flu and started taking LOTS of Vit. C, though

not the ascorbic acid type that gives you diarreah. I ended

up expelling more of them, though not as many as before. Sometime

after that our whole family also used the ia parasite cleanse,

going through four rounds of it, but I never saw anything again. I

don't know whether I have any left, I didn't actually do the

protocol, but I am planning to use the salt water flush again soon,

so I imagine I will see something if there is anything to see.

I expelled those parasites/bacteria doing each of the items of the

protocol, but using them separately. It was strange, but my husband

really started to pay attention to some of this stuff, he couldn't

deny what came out of my body!

I never had any reason to think I had a parasite problem, I was

doing the cleanses because they were recommended for general

maintenance and good health and my husband has benefited in the past

from liver cleases, etc.

Hope that helps,

You should check out www.curezone.com and see what they have about

different cleanses, health topic, etc.

Debbie in TX

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ech. I'm not sure I can stand myself but your comments really help, Debbie.

I'll look into the cleanse -- sea or crystal salt and a good quality

ascorbic acid seems a little bit more realistic than taking those dreadful

substances recommended on the lymephotos.com site. sheesh! I have big enough

problems without worrying about seeing worms escaping from my body... :-/

but desperate times call for desperate measures?

BTW, are you saying that you think the " bugs " that grew in your system came

in through a wound on your skin? Because that's what I don't understand

about my experience; It seemed that the parasite was just making tracks up

my arm. Scabies do that and don't come in, right? I thought that maybe a

skin parasite had different requirements than a parasite that lives in your

blood or guts.. viva le difference!

~Robin

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I'm not advocating this salt/c thing and I question a lot of things about

the lymephotos.com site, however, one of things the guy talks about there is

how much salt people *used* to eat and how that may have helped keep

parasites at bay... I mean, before refrigeration, many foods, especially

meat, had to preserved in salt in order to " keep " . It stands to reason that

people probably consumed a lot more salt back then. So maybe upping one's

salt intake to help kill a few bugs isn't that drastic after all... am I

missing something?

~Robin

BTW, here's a quote from the lymephotos.com site:

" Our theory is that due to the decreased consumption of salt in our daily

diets, we have allowed the invasion of parasites into our bodies and those

of our pets and livestock. Over the centuries, man has traditionally

consumed approximately 20 grams of salt daily. The only time, other than

current day, that man's consumption has drastically decreased was during the

Medieval Ages, when the landlords deprived the poor of salt, and the Black

Death ravaged the population. Salt is an ancient bactericide, and killer of

many of man's pathogens. For centuries, twenty grams of salt daily was the

average intake due to the way meats were cured and foods were preserved. Man

certainly lived a more outdoorsman's lifestyle, yet there was no mysterious

illness. Was it the presence of sodium chloride in his body that prevented

Lyme from occurring? Lyme was first documented in the 1970's. It is around

the same time we were inundated with the " No Salt Diet " craze. For years

Japan had no cases of Lyme disease, and only recently with the new low salt

soy sauce have cases been documented. As far as our animals go, cows were

always given large blocks of salt licks, which were pure sodium chloride.

The old ways protected our livestock from many pathogens that are coming

into focus in today's society. Just recently, these blocks have become

mineralized salt licks with minerals, medicines, and vitamins, that

manufacturers claim is what our livestock need. They actually need the

sodium chloride. This may explain the recent appearance of new illnesses

such as Lyme, Mad Cow, and other parasitic illnesses among our livestock.

They crave the sodium chloride. It is a natural instinct. Just the same way

that a hunter knows that if he puts out a block of salt, the deer will come.

Bear reportedly tear the bark off fallen trees to lick salt. There are salt

caves in Africa that draw herds of elephants at night, and the mothers break

off chucks of salt and fed it to their young. Maybe it is time we take a

lesson from the animals. Eat more salt! " www.lymephotos.com

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>If my parasites are playing a positive role then it must be because some

>divine intervention has decided it would be best if I was diminished in

>some

>way... And I'm not quite ready to go!

>

>:-)

>

>~Robin

>

>Ps. I don't plan to do the salt/c but want to keep it as an option. I'll

>take it to my doctor and see what he thinks. I mean, ALL of the parasite

>treatments are pretty rough --depends on how much of a problem they are and

>I don't really know that yet...

How awful! Sounds like science fiction story. Why don't you want to try

the salt/c, if you don't mind me asking - just curious. I'd be keen to try

it to see what happened but I'm breastfeeding. I'm going to increase my

Vit C to about 6 g a day and my Celtic sea salt intake a little, and see if

anything happens.