Re: prolactin/ dehydration

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heidi

there is also a connection between dehydration and nausea during pregnancy.

Dr. f. Batmanghelidj, MD in his books , mainly Your Body's many cries for

water can be dry reading but his studies are very interesting on how people

have cured themselves by improving diet and liquid consumption- there may be

families that are perpetually dehydrated. his main comment is " you are not

sick you are thirsty! " he does talk about prolactin and water as well.

some people may be interested in checking him out. his website is

www.watercure.com

gwen

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>heidi

>there is also a connection between dehydration and nausea during pregnancy.

>Dr. f. Batmanghelidj, MD in his books , mainly Your Body's many cries for

>water can be dry reading but his studies are very interesting on how people

>have cured themselves by improving diet and liquid consumption- there may be

>families that are perpetually dehydrated. his main comment is " you are not

>sick you are thirsty! " he does talk about prolactin and water as well.

>some people may be interested in checking him out. his website is

>www.watercure.com

>gwen

I personally don't buy the water bit ... my body was SEVERELY dehydrated

for a long time, and I drank gallons of water. But my eyes were

so dry they stuck together in the morning, and I had zero saliva.

There was no amount of water I could drink to remedy this

situation.

When I went GFCF, my water needs went WAY down, to the point

I drink maybe 1/5 of what I did. I'm hearing this is typical for

food intolerances. My thirst problems DID start during pregnancy,

or got worse, and I did have bad nausea too. However, I didn't

know enough to experiment at the time. From listening to others

though, " morning sickness " seems to be often related to food

intolerance also, so it might be worth experimenting, or getting

tested.

As for prolactin and thirst ... sure, they could be connected.

And maybe some people don't get enough water. From

a paleo viewpoint though, it's highly unlikely that humans

need huge amounts of water. Our ancestors .... not even going

far back, just to the pioneer days ... didn't drink much water

at all, and sometimes they ONLY drank cider or beer, as the

water supplies weren't very good. Also drinking too much

water robs the body of nutrients.

Heidi Jean

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heidi

i understand your situation.

every one is different.

the important thing to remember is that we are all individuals, from

different cultures and backgrounds and something that may work for one

person may not work for another.

there are also sometimes different reasons why a remedy works for one person

and not another and there are other reasons that seem unrelated.

it is important for others people sake not to discount a remedy as it may

work for another.

yes it has been told that people needed less water back then but we can all

agree water and food quality was better and there were less environmental

poisons as well back then.

Gwen

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Subject: Re: prolactin/ dehydration

Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:53:01 -0800

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Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote:

> I personally don't buy the water bit ... my body was SEVERELY

> dehydrated

> for a long time, and I drank gallons of water. But my eyes were

> so dry they stuck together in the morning, and I had zero saliva.

> There was no amount of water I could drink to remedy this

> situation.

> When I went GFCF, my water needs went WAY down, to the point

> I drink maybe 1/5 of what I did. I'm hearing this is typical for

> food intolerances.

Hi Heidi,

Thanks - I found this very helpful. It's also something I've been

concerned with.

> As for prolactin and thirst ... sure, they could be connected.

> And maybe some people don't get enough water. From

> a paleo viewpoint though, it's highly unlikely that humans

> need huge amounts of water.

That's what I thought - and so many places, water is a scarce resource

(pots on the head spring to mind) that it doesn't seem that natural to

be doing this. I'm not saying you shouldn't respond to your thirst

needs, though, but I have to question mine.

Did great with the GF for two days but found out that I can't let myself

get hungry or I devour my bf's stashes.

Helen

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>>>That's what I thought - and so many places, water is a scarce resource (pots

on the head spring to mind) that it doesn't seem that natural to be doing this.

I'm not saying you shouldn't respond to your thirst needs, though, but I have to

question mine.<<<

My xh is Indonesian and I'm a white Australian from the most southern (ie

coldest) state, Tasmania. He says that he doesn't drink anywhere near as much

water as I do because, as he comes from the tropics, his body is more efficient

at conserving water. This means I can't nag the kids to drink more water than

they want - they just tell me they've got Dad's genes.

Cheers,

Tas'.

" Give it to us raw and wrrrrrrrrriggling " - Smeagol, LOTR.

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Gwen:

>i understand your situation.

>every one is different.

>the important thing to remember is that we are all individuals, from

>different cultures and backgrounds and something that may work for one

>person may not work for another.

>there are also sometimes different reasons why a remedy works for one person

>and not another and there are other reasons that seem unrelated.

>it is important for others people sake not to discount a remedy as it may

>work for another.

Absolutely we are all individuals! My basic philosophy on life is " whatever

works "

which is why I like *science* so much ... at it's best, it evaluates what works.

What I was sharing is what I've found in my reading and experience ... Your

Milage

May Vary, as they say.

>yes it has been told that people needed less water back then but we can all

>agree water and food quality was better and there were less environmental

>poisons as well back then.

Actually water quality was likely *worse* ... finding a good clean water

supply has been a constant problem for humans, and if you are wandering

around the savannah without a water-jug, you would be lucky to find

a muddy watering hole come dinnertime. Many tribes lived with

water that is also used as a sewage system. In spite of that they

are often healthier than " modern man " which says something.

I totally agree about food ... (being on this list!) that the modern diet throws

in

some really bad curves that didn't exist back then. And if drinking

lots of water helps you, well, it's cheap for most of us, nowdays.

Heidi Jean

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Helen

>That's what I thought - and so many places, water is a scarce resource

>(pots on the head spring to mind) that it doesn't seem that natural to

>be doing this. I'm not saying you shouldn't respond to your thirst

>needs, though, but I have to question mine.

ly I would have drunk half a gallon at a time, if I could hold

it in my stomach. My thirst was INSATIABLE to the point I had

myself tested several times for diabetes. My hunger was almost

as bad. It took great restraint to keep my weight in anything close

to a normal range.

And yeah, how could our nomadic and tent-dwelling ancestors

have possibly dealt with this? I mean, indoor plumbing with potable

water is a very recent decadence, and only for a few nations ... most

folks are still lugging water in from a well or stream, IF in fact they have it.

One

BILLION people today are lacking good water. But accounts from the

pioneer days are that they drank cider, tea, milk, or anything over water.

Water was NOT considered a great thing to just drink ... boiled or fermented

was preferred.

>Did great with the GF for two days but found out that I can't let myself

>get hungry or I devour my bf's stashes.

Yeah, just keep eating. ANYTHING. Broth helps a lot, so does kimchi.

On the bright side, once a person gets over the " gluten cravings "

the appetite goes way down. One of the things I really enjoy

nowadays is that I don't get hungry often. I enjoy food, but I

don't have this " I gotta eat NOW!!! " thing that has ruled most

of my life.

However, when I " slip " , the next day I'm insatiably hungry

again. It reminds me of what I hear about folks who smoke

pot ... just getting really, really hungry. I'm not sure what causes

it ... there is an opioid involved in gluten/casein intolerance,

so it might be a drug effect, or it might have to do with cortisol,

which gets produced during allergy reactions and is known to

cause hunger.

I was fortunate in that my dh decided gluten was bad for

him too, so I'm not tempted! Also after a month, when I

DID eat gluten I got horridly sick, which works pretty well

as a dis-motivator. However, a stash of frozen bacon,

red wine, kefir beer, GF bread, or whatever your favorites

are is a great idea, then you can " splurge " without damaging

your body. My favorite midnight snack happens to be

bottled anchovies and green olives, so I indulge when

I need to.

>

Heidi Jean

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I have to agree with you Heidi. Once the gluten is out, the appetites

go way down. Meanwhile, for us, the weight went up and waistline went

down...just what dd and I needed. I have always been known as a

" bottomless pit " . I used to eat constantly! Now i eat way less than

most other people, and yet my health and energy level is much better.

My dd has a very specific reaction to " grains " , especially wheat. She

has a four day reaction...day one is insatiable hunger and whining,

day two is uncontrollable mood swings and weepiness, day three is

realization day, day four is suicide watch day. The whole time she is

doing " no brainer " stuff, and has no short term memory. The pattern is

so specific that day three she gets just enough of her brains back

that she backtracks to find the offending item, apologizes for how she

will treat everyone the next day, and starts to consume lots of fresh

raw food. She has found that helps to make day four not as bad as it

used to be. Day five she wakes up looking " hung over " , but acting like

herself, and swears she will read the labels at friend's houses! given

this type of reaction, I think I subscribe to the having a drug effect

theory....you should see her reaction to corn.

Catz

> On the bright side, once a person gets over the " gluten cravings "

> the appetite goes way down. One of the things I really enjoy

> nowadays is that I don't get hungry often. I enjoy food, but I

> don't have this " I gotta eat NOW!!! " thing that has ruled most

> of my life.

>

> However, when I " slip " , the next day I'm insatiably hungry

> again. It reminds me of what I hear about folks who smoke

> pot ... just getting really, really hungry. I'm not sure what causes

> it ... there is an opioid involved in gluten/casein intolerance,

> so it might be a drug effect, or it might have to do with cortisol,

> which gets produced during allergy reactions and is known to

> cause hunger.

>

> Heidi Jean

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Catz:

>My dd has a very specific reaction to " grains " , especially wheat. She

>has a four day reaction...day one is insatiable hunger and whining,

>day two is uncontrollable mood swings and weepiness, day three is

>realization day, day four is suicide watch day.

It IS really weird how specific reactions can be! That's a great

bit of observation. In the gluten intolerance group, one lady

posted that he had just eaten some barley, thinking it was

wild rice, and was warning about the ingredient change in that

product. Then she added " Ok, now I'm off to cancel all

my appointments for tommorrow ... it's easier than doing

social damage control later " . A lot of people seconded her ...

if they get gluten, they just DON'T talk to people the next

day if they can help it. Some people don't go back to normal

for a week or two. (Scientifically, it takes a long time

for the enzymes/antibodies etc. to go back to the non-gluten

state, it has been studied, or I probably wouldn't believe

it myself).

Which is really scary when you figure most people who

react have NO idea that they do.

Heidi Jean

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This is all very interesting and new to me. Can you suggest a good web site with

some reliable information on this gluten problem? I don't think it is an issue

for me, but I'd like to pass the info on to my DW.

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Heidi Schuppenhauer wrote

> It IS really weird how specific reactions can be! That's a great

> bit of observation. In the gluten intolerance group, one lady

> posted that he had just eaten some barley, thinking it was

> wild rice, and was warning about the ingredient change in that

> product. Then she added " Ok, now I'm off to cancel all

> my appointments for tommorrow ... it's easier than doing

> social damage control later " . A lot of people seconded her ...

> if they get gluten, they just DON'T talk to people the next

> day if they can help it. Some people don't go back to normal

> for a week or two. (Scientifically, it takes a long time

> for the enzymes/antibodies etc. to go back to the non-gluten

> state, it has been studied, or I probably wouldn't believe

> it myself).

>

> Which is really scary when you figure most people who

> react have NO idea that they do.

>

>

> Heidi Jean

>

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>This is all very interesting and new to me. Can you suggest a good web site

with some reliable information on this gluten problem? I don't think it is an

issue for me, but I'd like to pass the info on to my DW.

>

>

The website www.celiac.com is a good place to start, and the book " Dangerous

Grains " .

Most of the research has been done on " celiac " which is a subset of gluten

intolerance, but the researchers are now expanding their scope and many

are thinking " celiac " and " gluten intolerance " should be lumped together.

It's kind of like the relationship between gangrene and diabetes ... some

diabetics get gangrene, but not all of them. But you can find more information

by searching on " celiac " .

Heidi Jean

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> This is all very interesting and new to me. Can you suggest a good web

> site with some reliable information on this gluten problem? I don't think

> it is an issue for me, but I'd like to pass the info on to my DW.

>

Gluten Intolerance: a paradigm of an epidemic

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_Dec/ai_94538644

More articles can be found at findarticles.com searching on gluten.

Wanita

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Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote:

> Helen

> Yeah, just keep eating. ANYTHING. Broth helps a lot, so does kimchi.

> On the bright side, once a person gets over the " gluten cravings "

> the appetite goes way down. One of the things I really enjoy

> nowadays is that I don't get hungry often. I enjoy food, but I

> don't have this " I gotta eat NOW!!! " thing that has ruled most

> of my life.

That's what I'm hoping for by changing to a WD-type approach - being

able to free myself up & stop being so dependent

(physiologically/psychologically) etc.

> However, a stash of frozen bacon,

> red wine, kefir beer, GF bread, or whatever your favorites

> are is a great idea, then you can " splurge " without damaging

> your body. My favorite midnight snack happens to be

> bottled anchovies and green olives, so I indulge when

> I need to.

LOL!! The stash thing is good and I'm working on being more organised

with my housekeeping - undervalued skill here in the UK. We don't have

that " homemaker " concept that the US seems to and in fact it's not

really cool to be good at housework. At least, for my so-ec gp.

Helen

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Helen East wrote:

> LOL!! The stash thing is good and I'm working on being more organised

> with my housekeeping - undervalued skill here in the UK. We don't have

> that " homemaker " concept that the US seems to and in fact it's not

> really cool to be good at housework. At least, for my so-ec gp.

>

> Helen

Eh, so who says it's cool here? If I worried about cool I wouldn't

be wearing jeans all day (esp. ones with stains from various chores

and animals ...). Anyway, my favorite snacks don't take much planning.

Cans of anchovies and olives. Peanut butter apples. Freshlyl cracked

nuts. Well, the kimchi takes *some* planning

but it's awfully easy, no cooking. Cleaning house is another

matter (not one I excel in ...!).

I've read a lot of cookbooks and some of the best ones say

that the BEST recipes take less than 5 ingredients. My kind

of cooking! It's good to remember that the " homemaker " concept

flourished in the '50s, when women had *nothing* else to do,

AND the corporations had just discovered how easy it is to

bamboozle people. So they got into this thing that a woman

should spend all day making a " cassarole " which involved

opening a lot of cans and using some brand name items. My

average recipe takes like 20 minutes and involves no cans

or brand named anything.

-- Heidi Jean