Re: Compare Notes with NN Parents

[Guest guest]

I think she is too young to be fed anything at all if she is being

breastfed. Most don't need to eat until 10 to 12 months old. Don't trouble

yourself!

Elaine

> Greetings,

>

> Some of you in this group have young kids, and I would like to compare notes

> with you

> guys regarding our 7 mo old daughter.

>

> Lately I have been feeling that she is not gaining weight as expected, and I

> think that's

> partly because she is refusing to eat a lot of the NT-style foods.

>

> Some backgound - she was never given any baby formula and we haven't given her

> any baby

> cereal either.

> Starting at 4.5 months, she was given an egg yolk a day.

> Around 5 mo. we started CLO, occasionally bananas and avocados.

> Around 5.5 mo we started a little butter to complement the CLO, and some

> boiled fish

> Around 6 mo. we started lightly cooked lamb.

>

> The trouble is that she first started disliking egg yolks (around a month

> back) and

> simply refused to eat it, so we stopped that.

> Now she is displaying the same aversion towards butter and fish.

>

> We think it is too early to start full blown vegetables, grains, etc. and

> would like to

> stick with these items only - but she simply doesn't want to eat enough.

>

> Do you guys think that NN fed babies would gain weight slower than others

> because they

> are not being fed formula and cereal?

>

> I would like to compare numbers with like-minded parents - our baby was 15 lb

> at the 6

> month mark (haven't tested since then).

>

> Thanks for any ideas, responses.

>

> -Pratick

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

>Do you guys think that NN fed babies would gain weight slower than others

because they

>are not being fed formula and cereal?

>

>I would like to compare numbers with like-minded parents - our baby was 15 lb

at the 6

>month mark (haven't tested since then).

>

>Thanks for any ideas, responses.

>

>-Pratick

Seems like her diet is VERY heavy on protein. While protein is good for kids,

the kidneys have a limit on how much they can handle. And genetically,

people are different. An Asian kid that age would be eating rice ... mine ate

a lot of rice cereal. Mother's milk has a fair bit of carbohydrate in it, as

well as fat, and babies grow the fastest on that. If she isn't being breast fed

at this point, you might want to give her more of some kind of good

carbohydrates.

Anyway, keep in mind that low-carb diets work in part (according to some

studies, others will dispute it) because people get filled up faster on

protein.

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Re: Compare Notes with NN Parents

I think she is too young to be fed anything at all if she is being

breastfed. Most don't need to eat until 10 to 12 months old. Don't trouble

yourself!

Elaine

I'd agree, starting food young seems to be a way of causing allergies.

Take care,

Alice - HSing mom to Alice (DS) born Thanksgiving Day 1995 :-)

Hopewell Junction, NY

http://users.bestweb.net/~castella

[Guest guest]

My son did not eat much in the way of solids until he was about 9 months

old. He liked egg yolks but hated avacado and bananas. He ate mostly NT

formula and whatever breast milk I had. He gained weight just fine once we

started him on NT formula at 3 months. He had a little trouble before that.

He never had any baby cereal or crackers ad a baby.

At 08:57 AM 4/20/05, you wrote:

>Greetings,

>

>Some of you in this group have young kids, and I would like to compare

>notes with you

>guys regarding our 7 mo old daughter.

>

>Lately I have been feeling that she is not gaining weight as expected, and

>I think that's

>partly because she is refusing to eat a lot of the NT-style foods.

>

>Some backgound - she was never given any baby formula and we haven't given

>her any baby

>cereal either.

>Starting at 4.5 months, she was given an egg yolk a day.

>Around 5 mo. we started CLO, occasionally bananas and avocados.

>Around 5.5 mo we started a little butter to complement the CLO, and some

>boiled fish

>Around 6 mo. we started lightly cooked lamb.

>

>The trouble is that she first started disliking egg yolks (around a month

>back) and

>simply refused to eat it, so we stopped that.

>Now she is displaying the same aversion towards butter and fish.

>

>We think it is too early to start full blown vegetables, grains, etc. and

>would like to

>stick with these items only - but she simply doesn't want to eat enough.

>

>Do you guys think that NN fed babies would gain weight slower than others

>because they

>are not being fed formula and cereal?

>

>I would like to compare numbers with like-minded parents - our baby was 15

>lb at the 6

>month mark (haven't tested since then).

>

>Thanks for any ideas, responses.

>

>-Pratick

>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I have to agree that if she's being breastfed and is not interested in

food, don't give any. She'll be fine on breastmilk alone. Food should

never be forced, especially in one so young.

started showing an interest in food around 5 months and really

took to it around 5.5 to 6 months. He's 8.5 months now and eats almost

anything: fruit, veggies, meat, egg yolks, kefir, raw butter and

cheese, and some carbs (soaked oatmeal with raw butter or CO, organic

teething biscuits, bread crusts from whole rye bread with butter,

etc.). He's still being breastfed as well. He's over 18 pounds now (not

sure how big he was at 6 months).

My MIL takes care of during the day but of course she does not eat

NT. I make an effort to only keep NT-style foods at home, especially if

I know she'll be feeding them to . It's a struggle because my

husband doesn't really eat NT either. I gave up on certain items but

I'm happy likes veggies, fruits and meats - he also loves kefir !!

Good luck,

Magda

[Guest guest]

KerryAnn

Do you have a link to that new growth chart info from London that you

mentioned?

Thanks!

Karla LaSasso

www.HOLISTICMOMS.org

Phone: 201-723-2437

[Guest guest]

Pratick,

As someone who has a decent amount of experience with nursing babies, and is

studying towards becoming a lactation consultant, I can tell you that chances

are your child is just sick of the same few foods over and over. Sounds like

she wants some variety. I've been through this with my children as well.

Starting with different fruits and veggies at this point is the right thing to

do due to her age and what she can digest. Delay the grains- babies are more

likely to react to gluten under one year of age, regardless of family history of

gluten allergies.

As much as I love NT, their information on beastfeeding and solids isn't the

most up-to-date and accurate. The suggestion to start solids before 6 months is

old, and is not based on the most current research. The ability to digest

proteins is incomplete in infancy. Babies develop the ability to digest carbs

around 6-7 months and fats between 6-9 months. Giving them solids before they

can digest them sets your child up for food allergies and stomach problems.

Realize that the growth curves that doctors use in the US are based on a small

sample of formula fed babies done back in the 50's. About a month ago in London,

the world was presented with growth charts based on a wide group on

breastfeeding babies around the world. Breastfed babies grow are entirely

different rates than formula fed babies. Your baby's weight sounds good for a

nursing baby. Babies don't grow on a steady curve- they grow in spurts.

Baby cereal is pushed as a first food for infants because formula fed babies

need the extra iron. A baby who nurses doesn't need extra iron until after

their first birthday IF they have not been supplemented with formula. The hard

to absorb iron in formula binds with the highly absorbable iron in breastmilk

and keeps the baby from absorbing it.

Formula is not the perfect food for infants- breastmilk is. Nature didn't

create formula, and people haven't thrived off it for millennia. Please do a

little research on E coli and other nasty bacteria being present in canned

formula and the number of formula recalls in the last few years for a very

eye-opening look at what the public isn't being told about this highly-promoted

food. Formula is not FDA approved or regulated, and there's currently talk of

changing the formulation yet again, because there's new information that formula

contains too much protein. Remember, formula companies look to the perfect

food, breastmilk, to figure out what should go into their formulations. The

problem is that what they put in isn't as absorbable as breastmilk so they have

to add extra everything hoping that enough will get absorbed. And there's

presently 120 identifiable components to breastmilk that they cannot duplicate

in the lab, much less put it into formula.

Also, a lot of publicity to obesity has been put on in the media recently. A

new study out shows that the slower an infant grows, the less likely they are to

be obese as an adult. Because formula fed babies are given artificially high

amounts of food that stretches their stomach out (and how much of that do they

spit up?), and gain extra weight because of it, doesn't mean that they're

healthy. A nursing baby generally holds no more than 4 ounces of food at one

sitting- as they get older, their bodies become able to digest the food better,

so they do not need to take in more food.

I'll be more than happy to answer any other questions or help you any way that I

can, or give you more information of sources for the above information.

KerryAnn

Compare Notes with NN Parents

Greetings,

Some of you in this group have young kids, and I would like to compare notes

with you

guys regarding our 7 mo old daughter.

Lately I have been feeling that she is not gaining weight as expected, and I

think that's

partly because she is refusing to eat a lot of the NT-style foods.

[Guest guest]

Pratick

another aspect of baby feeding: are you sure your daughter is

refusing food, or just refusing to be fed? My 2nd child wanted to feed

herself, and would not open her mouth to be spoon fed. I ended up

putting soft and semi-soft foods in front of her on a tray, and

letting her make a mess and feed herself. That worked so well that I

never even tried spoon feeding my 3rd child.

All the best,

Jan

[Guest guest]

I second (or third?) the other posts. As long as you are eating

healthy & nursing on demand, solids are simply optional. My second

child didnt start until 11 months. His weight went up in spurts,

lost a few pounds here & there (food allergies via breastmilk

issues).

I think worrying over it is much worse than just not feeding solids,

or offering when she seems interested only. And weight really doesnt

matter, there is no such thing as " normal " !! (and who wants to

be " normal " anyway??)

Unless there is notable weight LOSS, then just go with the

flow...before you know it she will be eating you out of house &

home!!

--- In , " alangaud " <alangaud@y...>

wrote:

>

> Pratick

> another aspect of baby feeding: are you sure your daughter is

> refusing food, or just refusing to be fed? My 2nd child wanted to

feed

> herself, and would not open her mouth to be spoon fed. I ended up

> putting soft and semi-soft foods in front of her on a tray, and

> letting her make a mess and feed herself. That worked so well that

I

> never even tried spoon feeding my 3rd child.

> All the best,

> Jan

[Guest guest]

Heidi Jean: If she isn't being breast fed at this point, you might want to give

her more of some kind of good carbohydrates.

--> can you please remind me what good carbs are? Still pregnant but storing up

info for when we're feeding an infant.

Thanks,

Filippa

[Guest guest]

--- alangaud <alangaud@...> wrote:

> another aspect of baby feeding: are you sure your daughter is

> refusing food, or just refusing to be fed?

Good point, Jan !

I think it is a bit of both - there are certain foods that she initially used to

like

(egg yolks, butter pieces), but has since developed an aversion to those.

OTOH, the foods that she does like, she wants to feed herself, and makes a royal

mess of

it !

We've tried to let her do that, but less than 5% goes in

The other thing is that she *always* wants what *we* are eating - not what is

meant for

her.

We feed her from her plate, but her food is obviously different (less spices for

instance).

But that doesn't fool her - no way - she wants what we are eating.

Thanks,

Pratick

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[Guest guest]

At 3:02 PM +0000 4/21/05, wrote:

>Message: 3

> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 01:56:56 -0000

> From: " alangaud " <alangaud@...>

>Subject: Re: Compare Notes with NN Parents

>

> My 2nd child wanted to feed

>herself, and would not open her mouth to be spoon fed.

My darlin' new wife was feeding her 14 mo. granddaughter soup with a

spoon (she can feed herself some other things, but self-fed soup is

clothing at that age, not food). I'd gotten up already and was down

the hallway when I heard " Here comes the airplane......9/11! Oh no! "

Yes, I married a food terrorist, lol!

[Guest guest]

>--> can you please remind me what good carbs are? Still pregnant but storing

up info for when we're feeding an infant.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Filippa

Ah, well THAT is a good question! I don't know the answer. Maple syrup maybe?

Seems like right now half the people think NO carbs are good, but like I said,

mother's milk has plenty of carbs. Commercial formulas use high fructose corn

syrup though, which I'm pretty sure is NOT good, and evaporated milk, which also

isn't good. My kids were weaned before I knew anything, and they got Enfamil and

rice cereal. The youngest I switched to kefir and ground cooked rice and ground

beef when he was 1 or 2, I think (he tested as allergic to eggs, so I didn't

even try the egg yolk thing).

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Pratick,

> OTOH, the foods that she does like, she wants to feed herself, and

makes a royal mess of

> it ! We've tried to let her do that, but less than 5% goes in

A self feeding baby is messy, but happy. The parents on the other

hand...

IMHO since your child is so young (7 mo, right?), that at this point

it doesn't really matter how much solid food she gets in her mouth.

You want meal time and food to be enjoyable to her. If she's hungry

and allowed to make a mess, she'll end up eating enough and maybe

'asking' for more. (Power struggles at the table are a really, really

bad idea at any age.) As long as you don't feed her foods she can

choke on and introduce foods one at a time, she can eat what you're

eating. At first you can make a point of including one food at each

meal that she can eat.

You've got a tremendous opportuntiy to introduce new foods to her

since she wants what you're eating. Take advantage of it while you

can. Some kids have a time window when it's easy to introduce new

foods, and then it shuts, leaving the parents wondering what happened.

> but her food is obviously different (less spices for

> instance).

I wouldn't worry too much about the spices. Let her try small amounts

of spicy food to see if she likes it and if it causes gastic distress.

Some babies and toddlers love very spicy or strong tasting foods. My

neice used to eat lemons.

Bottom line though, is you know your daughter. If you keep meals

relaxed, keep her temperment in mind, and offer her NN foods it'll all

work out in the end.

All the best!

Jan

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the great help.

As everyone said, I think we'll take a step back and let her relax more !

We'll find out at the next Dr. appt. what her weight gain pattern has been.

-Pratick

--- alangaud <alangaud@...> wrote:

>

> Pratick,

>

> > OTOH, the foods that she does like, she wants to feed herself, and

> makes a royal mess of

> > it ! We've tried to let her do that, but less than 5% goes in

>

> A self feeding baby is messy, but happy. The parents on the other

> hand...

>

> IMHO since your child is so young (7 mo, right?), that at this point

> it doesn't really matter how much solid food she gets in her mouth.

> You want meal time and food to be enjoyable to her. If she's hungry

> and allowed to make a mess, she'll end up eating enough and maybe

> 'asking' for more. (Power struggles at the table are a really, really

> bad idea at any age.) As long as you don't feed her foods she can

> choke on and introduce foods one at a time, she can eat what you're

> eating. At first you can make a point of including one food at each

> meal that she can eat.

>

> You've got a tremendous opportuntiy to introduce new foods to her

> since she wants what you're eating. Take advantage of it while you

> can. Some kids have a time window when it's easy to introduce new

> foods, and then it shuts, leaving the parents wondering what happened.

>

> > but her food is obviously different (less spices for

> > instance).

>

> I wouldn't worry too much about the spices. Let her try small amounts

> of spicy food to see if she likes it and if it causes gastic distress.

> Some babies and toddlers love very spicy or strong tasting foods. My

> neice used to eat lemons.

>

> Bottom line though, is you know your daughter. If you keep meals

> relaxed, keep her temperment in mind, and offer her NN foods it'll all

> work out in the end.

>

> All the best!

> Jan

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> Some of you in this group have young kids, and I would like to compare

notes with you

> guys regarding our 7 mo old daughter.

>

Sorry for the late reply (been out of town.) Just wanted to give you my

experience... My son, who incidentally I just completely weaned yesterday at

four, didn't start eating in earnest until he was about one. He's always

loved his " milkies " and seems very healthy. I think every child is

different, but if they don't want to eat something and they are under one

year and getting plenty of breast milk I would just follow their wisdom on

it. You seem like such a diligent parent... I'm sure your child will grow

and mature exceptionally!

Kim