Fermentation and Volcanic Salts?

[Guest guest]

I was just reading the thread on coconut oil and I went to

www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com to order some and I came across a

whole section of salts. Among them were these:

Volcanic Earth Salt: Kala Namak (Indian Black Salt)

Sea Salt + Volcanic Clay: Alaea Hawaiian Sea Salt

Would these salts work for fermentation?

Thanks!

Sincerely,

Lana M. Gibbons

[Guest guest]

Lana-

>Would these salts work for fermentation?

I'd be leery of the iron content for all applications.

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[Guest guest]

,

For all applications?

As far as I know, women need iron a lot more than men. How would

having iron in salt pose an issue for a woman?

Thanks,

Lana

On 9/27/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Lana-

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> >Would these salts work for fermentation?

>

> I'd be leery of the iron content for all applications.

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[Guest guest]

I forgot to add. Since no one responded for 3 days I ended up buying

some of the salts to try. I want to send them back if they're toxic

for me in any way. I am currently running a few searches on google,

but I'm not coming up with anything.

So please respond quickly this time.

Thanks!

-Lana

On 9/27/05, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> For all applications?

>

> As far as I know, women need iron a lot more than men. How would

> having iron in salt pose an issue for a woman?

>

> Thanks,

> Lana

>

> On 9/27/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> > Lana-

> >

> > >Would these salts work for fermentation?

> >

> > I'd be leery of the iron content for all applications.

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[Guest guest]

Lana-

>I forgot to add. Since no one responded for 3 days I ended up buying

>some of the salts to try. I want to send them back if they're toxic

>for me in any way. I am currently running a few searches on google,

>but I'm not coming up with anything.

Iron in the form of oxide, which gives those salts much of their color, is

unhealthy. It's associated with heart disease and gut dysbiosis for starters.

-

[Guest guest]

On 9/27/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Iron in the form of oxide, which gives those salts much of their color, is

> unhealthy. It's associated with heart disease and gut dysbiosis for

> starters.

Oh damn. I knew I should have tried selling that bicycle from my

childhood that got left out in the rain too many times, but all this

time I've been eating it thinking it was good for me.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

> Iron in the form of oxide, which gives those salts much of their color, is

> unhealthy. It's associated with heart disease and gut dysbiosis for

> starters.

,

Thanks... I've emailed them and let them know that I don't want the

product. Its rediculous that any health store would stock the stuff

if its so bad for you. Not to mention advertise the fact that the

product high levels of iron oxide as if its a good thing... Then

again, its not like the government is stopping Mcs from serving

heart attacks, so I really don't know why I expect to be protected as

a consumer. I didn't realize that iron oxide is rust until Chris

posted. LOL! Oops. WFN better take this stuff back and pay shipping

on it - shame on them for misrepresenting something as healthy.

-Lana

[Guest guest]

Lana-

> Not to mention advertise the fact that the

>product high levels of iron oxide as if its a good thing...

Well, lots of people advertise " low fat " , " low in saturated fat " and " low

cholesterol " as though they're good things, so it doesn't surprise me. WFN

has some fairly mixed-up ideas about diet and nutrition, though in a couple

areas they're on-target.

-

[Guest guest]

,

Good point. I guess I'm too used to ignoring those labels.

Their response was:

" What I can tell you is that Iron oxide is not a poison and neither is rust.

When our ancestors used iron to cook with we had a much lower incidence of

Anemia in our country, now we use stainless steel or aluminum primarily.

Your blood is red and the reason it's red is because it's so high in Iron

Oxide, that is what gives it the red color. "

I seem to remember my grandmother cooking with iron - but it was the

black kind not the red kind. She also used to frequently oil her

pans...

Now, I for one thought blood was purple until it meets oxygen - but

with that aside - Is oxide the form of iron in blood?

They went on to say: " There is a Synthetic Iron Oxide that is made

that is alot like the natural one but it's used in color concrete

products, paints, plastics, and other

media; in fact, iron oxide powders are the most widely used of all colored

inorganic pigments, that form maybe harmful to you! "

Now, I thought Iron oxide is iron oxide. Isn't what makes vitamins

and minerals synthetic the fact that they're paired with different

molecules? B12 for example is naturally methylcobalamin while

synthetic is cyanocobalamin?

Thanks , You've been so helpful for a know-nothing like me.

-Lana

On 9/28/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Lana-

>

> > Not to mention advertise the fact that the

> >product high levels of iron oxide as if its a good thing...

>

> Well, lots of people advertise " low fat " , " low in saturated fat " and " low

> cholesterol " as though they're good things, so it doesn't surprise me. WFN

> has some fairly mixed-up ideas about diet and nutrition, though in a couple

> areas they're on-target.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Lana-

>I seem to remember my grandmother cooking with iron - but it was the

>black kind not the red kind. She also used to frequently oil her

>pans...

That would be cast iron, and the theory of cast iron advocates goes that

once you build up an adequate patina on the cast iron, you're insulated

from too much iron, but I'm leery of that too. Cast iron is a relatively

recent development, and though I'd take it over something like teflon in a

picosecond, I still expect that undesirable iron will be leeching into

food. Still, good cast iron does have marvelous cooking properties...

>Now, I for one thought blood was purple until it meets oxygen - but

>with that aside - Is oxide the form of iron in blood?

The iron in our blood is in the form of hemoglobin, an iron-containing

oxygen-transporting protein.

>Now, I thought Iron oxide is iron oxide. Isn't what makes vitamins

>and minerals synthetic the fact that they're paired with different

>molecules? B12 for example is naturally methylcobalamin while

>synthetic is cyanocobalamin?

There are a few different forms of iron oxide, actually. (Cribbing from

Wikipedia here for the details...) There's ferrous oxide, which is FeO;

there's ferric oxide, which is Fe2O3; and just to confuse people, there's

also ferrous ferric oxide, which is Fe3O4. I doubt you'd find much of the

first in nature in anything like a pure form, as it's quite flammable, but

the second is quite common in nature as hematite, and is also used in

industry as a pigment, as a magnetic coating, to polish optics, and for all

sorts of other purposes. The third is magnetite, found as lodestones, and

it's black. So of these three, they're most likely referring to the

second, in which case the distinction between " synthetic " and " natural "

could only come down to impurities.

Just to confuse matters further, though, there are also iron hydroxides,

the most common being Fe(OH)2, which is green, FeO(OH), which is reddish

brown, and Fe(OH)3, which is dark brown. There could be some of these or

other iron hydroxides in those salts too, and rust is generally a mixture

of various oxides and hydroxides.

None of them, though, are at all desirable as mineral supplements to my

knowledge. That's why I've stuck with Celtic sea salt instead of trying

that Hawaiian Real Salt, though I haven't actually looked into it to

discover what gives it its pink color yet.

-

[Guest guest]

Thanks !

-Lana

On 9/28/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Lana-

>

> >I seem to remember my grandmother cooking with iron - but it was the

> >black kind not the red kind. She also used to frequently oil her

> >pans...

>

> That would be cast iron, and the theory of cast iron advocates goes that

> once you build up an adequate patina on the cast iron, you're insulated

> from too much iron, but I'm leery of that too. Cast iron is a relatively

> recent development, and though I'd take it over something like teflon in a

> picosecond, I still expect that undesirable iron will be leeching into

> food. Still, good cast iron does have marvelous cooking properties...

>

> >Now, I for one thought blood was purple until it meets oxygen - but

> >with that aside - Is oxide the form of iron in blood?

>

> The iron in our blood is in the form of hemoglobin, an iron-containing

> oxygen-transporting protein.

>

> >Now, I thought Iron oxide is iron oxide. Isn't what makes vitamins

> >and minerals synthetic the fact that they're paired with different

> >molecules? B12 for example is naturally methylcobalamin while

> >synthetic is cyanocobalamin?

>

> There are a few different forms of iron oxide, actually. (Cribbing from

> Wikipedia here for the details...) There's ferrous oxide, which is FeO;

> there's ferric oxide, which is Fe2O3; and just to confuse people, there's

> also ferrous ferric oxide, which is Fe3O4. I doubt you'd find much of the

> first in nature in anything like a pure form, as it's quite flammable, but

> the second is quite common in nature as hematite, and is also used in

> industry as a pigment, as a magnetic coating, to polish optics, and for all

> sorts of other purposes. The third is magnetite, found as lodestones, and

> it's black. So of these three, they're most likely referring to the

> second, in which case the distinction between " synthetic " and " natural "

> could only come down to impurities.

>

> Just to confuse matters further, though, there are also iron hydroxides,

> the most common being Fe(OH)2, which is green, FeO(OH), which is reddish

> brown, and Fe(OH)3, which is dark brown. There could be some of these or

> other iron hydroxides in those salts too, and rust is generally a mixture

> of various oxides and hydroxides.

>

> None of them, though, are at all desirable as mineral supplements to my

> knowledge. That's why I've stuck with Celtic sea salt instead of trying

> that Hawaiian Real Salt, though I haven't actually looked into it to

> discover what gives it its pink color yet.

>

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On 9/28/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Well, lots of people advertise " low fat " , " low in saturated fat " and " low

> cholesterol " as though they're good things, so it doesn't surprise me. WFN

> has some fairly mixed-up ideas about diet and nutrition, though in a couple

> areas they're on-target.

I saw a jar of coconut oil in Whole Foods the other day that said on

one side " Not all saturated fats are bad! " and on the other it said

that coconut oil doesn't deserve it's bad rep- because it's

*cholesterol-free*! And I think they even put " cholesterol-free " in

bold like it was a big deal.

On a side-note, I've seen low-carb eggs, low-carb butter, and fat-free

cholesterol-free water in the past too. Literally, I saw these

products advertised as such.

Chris

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On 9/28/05, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote:

> " What I can tell you is that Iron oxide is not a poison and neither is

> rust.

> When our ancestors used iron to cook with we had a much lower incidence of

> Anemia in our country, now we use stainless steel or aluminum primarily.

> Your blood is red and the reason it's red is because it's so high in Iron

> Oxide, that is what gives it the red color. "

Well obviously since all compounds involving iron are THE SAME then

rust can't possibly be bad.

I wish I took chemistry with this guy as my professor. The class

would have been so much EASIER! LOL!

I thought blood was blue; thats why when you get a bruise, it turns

blue. The iron doesn't oxidize and turn red until it's exposed to the

air.

> They went on to say: " There is a Synthetic Iron Oxide that is made

> that is alot like the natural one but it's used in color concrete

> products, paints, plastics, and other

> media; in fact, iron oxide powders are the most widely used of all colored

> inorganic pigments, that form maybe harmful to you! "

*returns from mind warp*

What? Iron oxide is not harmful, but iron oxide is harmful? Huh?

> Now, I thought Iron oxide is iron oxide. Isn't what makes vitamins

> and minerals synthetic the fact that they're paired with different

> molecules? B12 for example is naturally methylcobalamin while

> synthetic is cyanocobalamin?

I don't think so. I think cyanocobalamin is derived from

cyanobacteria isn't it? I think iron oxide can be in a couple

different forms, at different oxidation states actually, but I'm not

so sure this guy knows what he's talking about.

Chris

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