Re: Using Brix Readings

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

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" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

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University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

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September 27, 2005

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Katy

>

>--- In , Idol <Idol@c...>

>wrote:

>> -

>>

>> >So..who's , now?

>>

>> Chi. <g>

>>

>> He's a guy who used to post on the subject of brix and soil

>fertility. He

>> was pretty, how shall I say, narrowly focused, to the point that I

>once

>> joked that if someone discussed the possibility of ingesting a

>poison, his

>> only comment on the subject would be to exhort everyone to make

>sure it was

>> a poison from a high-brix source.

>>

>> -

>

> as in Zimmer, the USAcres guy who does all the high brix

>forage stuff?

I won't " out " gary any further than he already has been except to say that

my last post is a huge clue as to his identity for any WAPF member.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

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September 27, 2005

Albrecht, eh?

> >-----Original Message-----

> >From:

> >[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Katy

>

> >

> >--- In , Idol <Idol@c...>

> >wrote:

> >> -

> >>

> >> >So..who's , now?

> >>

> >> Chi. <g>

> >>

> >> He's a guy who used to post on the subject of brix and soil

> >fertility. He

> >> was pretty, how shall I say, narrowly focused, to the point

that I

> >once

> >> joked that if someone discussed the possibility of ingesting a

> >poison, his

> >> only comment on the subject would be to exhort everyone to make

> >sure it was

> >> a poison from a high-brix source.

> >>

> >> -

> >

> > as in Zimmer, the USAcres guy who does all the high brix

> >forage stuff?

>

> I won't " out " gary any further than he already has been except to

say that

> my last post is a huge clue as to his identity for any WAPF member.

>

> <lips zipped, no further comment>

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

> Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

> http://www.westonaprice.org

>

> ----------------------------

> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol

cause

> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our

times. " --

> Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at

Vanderbilt

> University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>

> The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

> <http://www.thincs.org>

> ----------------------------

September 27, 2005

On 9/26/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> >> Maybe, but still that makes clear that it is possible to have

> >> fantastic health-- at least for someone who started out in good

> >> health-- on a diet based primarily around dairy and bread.

>

> Do you *know* anyone who is in such good health that you'd recommend a diet

> of just bread and dairy to?

Unless I'm misreading he didn't say *just* bread and dairy, but

*primarily* bread and dairy, which I think is an adequate description

of the Swiss Villagers diet. And of course not only was the dairy of

high quality but the grains were specially prepared. After all these

are the same folks who fermented their bread for at least two weeks

before eating it.

None of us really know all that Chi eats. I guess we could ask him on

the brixtalk list.

I've come to the point where I wouldn't recommend *any* diet to anyone

without a LOT of caveats, especially since hanging around on the brix

for humans list, but I think it is possible, even today, to have a

diet where dairy and bread are the staples and do quite nicely, if

done *with care*.

> I don't, which is why I said I wouldn't advocate

> such a diet. I honestly don't know a soul whom I think would do well on such

> a diet in the long term,

I know a few folks who either don't like meat or don't tolerate it

very well. I think in that case such a diet would be a godsend. I

also don't believe that every one is constitutionally oriented to eat

a diet high in meat. And I think we do them a disservice when we

suggest otherwise. I also think the opposite is true, some people

*need* meat as a basic staple.

> and further, I don't know any source of high brix

> milk closer than Brazil, and don't know a source of high brix grains for

> bread either. All of these factors would have to be in place for such a diet

> to even begin to be worthy of recommending.

I think those factors should be in place for any diet that we

recommend. And at that point such a diet might be far superior to a

low brix diet that contained meats, especially if Rex is correct in

his point about low brix foods gradually depleting the body of

nutrients.

I think one of the confounding factors for most of us, one that

compounds our problems in trying to get well, is that we are largely

eating low brix foods. So out comes the hordes of supplements, and

everyone guessing, trying, tinkering with all these different

variables trying to find something that works when the real problem is

that we are getting less than optimal effects from our food.

I'm also not sure what exactly constitutes high brix milk. 13? 15? 18?

The highest reading ever recorded according to Rex is 20 and he seems

to think 13 is just fine. Personally if I was going to adopt this

regimen I woud want to know what is happening with the grass and feed,

not the milk. If the grass is high then that would be good.

> > Suze,

> >Strictly speculating from my armchair, but it seems to me someone

> >could have fantastic health eating primarily milk and bread--provided

> >the milk was high enough quality.

> >Was/is Chi very healthy?

> > B.

>

> I don't know anything about Chi's health. What makes you think such a diet

> would sustain " fantastic " health?

Well the Swiss diet was *primarily* bread and dairy, though not *only*

bread and dairy.

> Not even the Swiss ate such a diet. I think bone broths were probably an

> important factor in their overall diet. I tend to think there are probably

> several important nutrients in the bone broth, maybe the meat and the

> veggies they consumed, that were not in the bread and/or milk.

Yeah I think that was a miscommunication. I don't think anyone meant

that a bread and dairy *only* diet would be adequate.

> Do milk and bread contain adequate carnitine,

Milk does but the body conserves and produces its own as well

> proline,

yes, but it is a non-essential amino acid

> hyaluronic acid,

I wouldn't think so, but its not like we need a lot of this. Bone

broths would cover it though.

> glucosamine,

Our own bodies can synthesize glucosamine if the right nutrients are available

> chondroitin,

Again found in the body

> antioxidants,

Both dairy and grains are good sources of antioxidants though

certainly not all of them. But of course the body can produce its own

if properly nourished. And milk provides one of the most important

antioxidants, glutathione, or rather the component necessary to

produce it. Nonethless, IIRC the role of antioxidants as we think of

them today is somewhat controversial in high brix circles.

> vit. K,

yes

> coq-10,

yes, moderately so.

> vitamin A and

Butter can be adequate but certainly doesn't compare to CLO.

> vitamind D?

No, the sun would have to figure in here <g>

In a healthy person eating a lot of raw dairyand/or ayurvedic style

milk and/or supplementing if need be, all the nutrients described

above would be adequately provided with the exception of HA and D. Of

course there are foods that for any specific nutrient might provide

more of it than milk.

> Just wondering cuz I don't know.

>

> IF this diet would work fantastically for someone, I think it would be a

> very rare person - certainly one already in fantastic health, who has no

> intolerance to gluten or dairy

Well that should be a given.

> and not descended from multiple generations

> of SADers.

hmmmmm...not so sure about this point. I think it would depend on a

person's particular nutritional ancestry.

In short, I think a WAP style " bread and dairy " dominated diet would

work, and anyone doing so today would have to take the same kind of

care they did. But I don't think the diet per se is any more

problematic than any other WAP style diet people are attempting to

follow today with sometimes less than adequate inputs. IMO, it all

depends on the individual and the quality of the sources and

ummm...the supplements.

I think with care a person could thrive on that kind of diet *now*,

just as we *with care* can thrive on high meat diets.

In my own situation, I got well from a diet (and other things that I

was doing) that included very little meat. That came much later.

This is a good reminder the Price's primitives had diets that ran the

gamut, and while his recommendations suggest that the only important

thing is get the common bodybuidling nutrients into our diets, his

*observations* showed NO group that actually ate *across the

spectrum*. It is a fact that not everyone can adopt the exact same

diet, although the same *principles* can be applied across the board.

Thus we have WAPer's who can' eat dairy or gluten grains (at least not

in their common form) but perhaps we also have WAPers for whom that is

the best form of this diet.

--

" It is no crime to be ignorant of economics,

which is, after all, a specialized discipline

and one that most people consider to be a

'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible

to have a loud and vociferous opinion on

economic subjects while remaining in this

state of ignorance. "

-- Murray Rothbard

September 27, 2005

On 9/27/05, Mati Senerchia <senerchia@...> wrote:

> >>To show that there is progress being made, I walked into a grocery

> store several weeks ago and right at the front of the store was a big

> chalkboard/sign next to a display of peaches titled " Today's Brix

> Readings " and an explanation right beneath it of brix and the readings

> for the crop on display.

>

> How cool is that?

Extremely cool. But this is an upscale grocery store that is very

responsive to its customers. High brix fruits, kobe beef, books by

Sally Fallon, cigars <g> etc.

> Adele used to say " What carrot? Grown where? " in response to the

statement that > carrots have a lot of Vitamin A.

A lot of folks like Adelle, but man she made lots of mistakes. The

above is one as well, carrots contain vitamin A precursors, but no

actual vitamin A. Nonetheless, her point stands.

--

" It is no crime to be ignorant of economics,

which is, after all, a specialized discipline

and one that most people consider to be a

'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible

to have a loud and vociferous opinion on

economic subjects while remaining in this

state of ignorance. "

-- Murray Rothbard

September 27, 2005

On 9/27/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> -

>

> >So..who's , now?

>

> Chi. <g>

>

> He's a guy who used to post on the subject of brix and soil fertility. He

> was pretty, how shall I say, narrowly focused, to the point that I once

> joked that if someone discussed the possibility of ingesting a poison, his

> only comment on the subject would be to exhort everyone to make sure it was

> a poison from a high-brix source.

I'm not sure I would call an obsession with nutrient density " narrowly

focused " . If so we need more of that narrow focus. Most WAPers don't

even know that that Price dedicated a chapter in his book to the

subject or that he considered it the most important thing.

While I don't agree with Chi on all things regarding soil fertility,

its more of an intramural debate than anything else, and I do greatly

appreciate he and Rex Harrill's emphasis on, IMO, the most neglected

and perhaps most important topic in the Price paradigm.

I'm sorry for using his real name. I should have never done that. I'm

sure he has his own reasons for using Chi and I should have been kind

enough to honor them. Nonetheless, Chi has rarely if ever talked about

Brix, he is an Albrecht man all the way, and to suggest that he is

narrowed to such an extent that high brix matters over nutrition or

health, even in a joking manner, is not to understand his position on

soil fertility or the concept of high brix.

" Grumpy " style and all, we need more people like Chi.

--

" It is no crime to be ignorant of economics,

which is, after all, a specialized discipline

and one that most people consider to be a

'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible

to have a loud and vociferous opinion on

economic subjects while remaining in this

state of ignorance. "

-- Murray Rothbard

September 28, 2005

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of

>

>On 9/26/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

>

>> >> Maybe, but still that makes clear that it is possible to have

>> >> fantastic health-- at least for someone who started out in good

>> >> health-- on a diet based primarily around dairy and bread.

>>

>> Do you *know* anyone who is in such good health that you'd

>recommend a diet

>> of just bread and dairy to?

>

>Unless I'm misreading he didn't say *just* bread and dairy, but

>*primarily* bread and dairy, which I think is an adequate description

>of the Swiss Villagers diet.

I agree. I misread Chris' post and thought he was arguing that *just* bread

and dairy would be an good diet. I agree with most of your post, except

perhaps some folks need for the nutients I listed, since not everyone can

synthesize specific nutrients to fulfill their own personal needs for those

nutrients, and bread and dairy may not fulfill everyone's need for them, so

we often need to get them from other dietary items or supplements.

>> IF this diet would work fantastically for someone, I think it would be a

>> very rare person - certainly one already in fantastic health, who has no

>> intolerance to gluten or dairy

>Well that should be a given.

I think you are responding to the part about having intolerances to gluten

and dairy, which, of course, I know is a given, but needed to logically

include it in my list of those for whom the diet would work. But it seems

you are probably not responding to the part about the person already being

in fantastic health, because I wrote that based on a misunderstanding of

what wrote, thinking he meant *only* bread and dairy. Now that I

realize that is not what he said, I wouldn't say the person has to be in

fantastic health to begin with to do well on a diet based *primarily* on

bread and dairy.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

----------------------------

September 28, 2005

-

>I'm sorry for using his real name. I should have never done that. I'm

>sure he has his own reasons for using Chi and I should have been kind

>enough to honor them. Nonetheless, Chi has rarely if ever talked about

>Brix, he is an Albrecht man all the way, and to suggest that he is

>narrowed to such an extent that high brix matters over nutrition or

>health, even in a joking manner, is not to understand his position on

>soil fertility or the concept of high brix.

I'm not sure whether he mentioned brixing, but he did argue that food

choices matter much, much less than the nutritional quality of individual

foods, to the point that he argued against the idea that there's anything

inherently wrong with soy, for example. That argument is why I made my

poison joke way back when. I think the more focus we have on soil

fertility and food quality the better, but I strongly disagree with the

idea that the _only_ factor that should determine food choices is soil quality.

-

September 28, 2005

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of

>I'm sorry for using his real name. I should have never done that. I'm

>sure he has his own reasons for using Chi and I should have been kind

>enough to honor them.

And I'm sorry for my cryptic message giving a further clue to his identity.

Sorry Chi.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

----------------------------

September 28, 2005

Suze-

>Now that I

>realize that is not what he said, I wouldn't say the person has to be in

>fantastic health to begin with to do well on a diet based *primarily* on

>bread and dairy.

I'm pretty skeptical, though. But who knows. It's something of an

academic question at the moment, frankly.

-

September 28, 2005

-

>Extremely cool. But this is an upscale grocery store that is very

>responsive to its customers. High brix fruits, kobe beef, books by

>Sally Fallon, cigars <g> etc.

What on earth grocery store is this?

-

September 28, 2005

-

>I know a few folks who either don't like meat or don't tolerate it

>very well. I think in that case such a diet would be a godsend. I

>also don't believe that every one is constitutionally oriented to eat

>a diet high in meat. And I think we do them a disservice when we

>suggest otherwise. I also think the opposite is true, some people

>*need* meat as a basic staple.

While I admit it's possible that some people are genetically adapted to

lower-meat diets, there's a huge difference between a diet that's

relatively low in meat but includes some good muscle and organ meats and

one that simply contains none. I'm strongly inclined to think, based on

the evidence I've seen, that anyone who doesn't tolerate meat well is

having a problem due to specific impairments, such as hypochlorhydria, not

due to genes, and my recommendation would always be to attempt to remedy or

compensate for the problem rather than giving up on meat.

-

September 28, 2005

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Idol

>

>Suze-

>

>>Now that I

>>realize that is not what he said, I wouldn't say the person has to be in

>>fantastic health to begin with to do well on a diet based *primarily* on

>>bread and dairy.

>

>I'm pretty skeptical, though. But who knows. It's something of an

>academic question at the moment, frankly.

I agree, except perhaps, in the case of Chi if indeed these are his only two

foods. Maybe he'll pop in and tell us more about it some time.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side-Effects.html

----------------------------

September 28, 2005

> Has anyone tried to carry out a whole-sale brixing of all their food,

> and determine what they eat based on what foods they can get good

brix

> readings for?

>

Have you seen a chart differentiating the quality of products

relative to Brix readings? I'd like to have one.

I am having the best luck gardening here in KS using generic

wood chips in a 6 " mulch, which I snagged from the local tree

trimmers. Where you have poor soil esp by the coast " fortify " the

soil with kelp, fish hydrolysate and soft rock phosphate under the

mulch. Extend the season with row covers and you'd have local produce

better than many grocery stores. Probably no avocados. Also you could

by from Chi's " one farmer " possibly.

September 28, 2005

On 9/28/05, dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000@...> wrote:

> Have you seen a chart differentiating the quality of products

> relative to Brix readings? I'd like to have one.

Nope. Suze or might chime in with a source for this though.

Chris

--

Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain

And Cause Transient Global Amnesia:

September 29, 2005

> ...To show that there is progress being made, I walked into a grocery

> store several weeks ago and right at the front of the store was a big

> chalkboard/sign next to a display of peaches titled " Today's Brix

> Readings " and an explanation right beneath it of brix and the readings

> for the crop on display.

>

> ,

If it doesn't impinge on anyone's privacy, will you reveal the name

and location of this store, please? Thanks.

B.

October 1, 2005

On 9/28/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> >Unless I'm misreading he didn't say *just* bread and dairy, but

> >*primarily* bread and dairy, which I think is an adequate description

> >of the Swiss Villagers diet.

>

> I agree. I misread Chris' post and thought he was arguing that *just* bread

> and dairy would be an good diet. I agree with most of your post, except

> perhaps some folks need for the nutients I listed, since not everyone can

> synthesize specific nutrients to fulfill their own personal needs for those

> nutrients, and bread and dairy may not fulfill everyone's need for them, so

> we often need to get them from other dietary items or supplements.

Then I don't think we are in disgreement at all since I pointed out

that a diet dominated by dairy and bread *and* supplemented can be as

useful as a diet dominated by meat which is also supplemented. We

supplement our meat dominated diets to bring them up to speed, we

could just as well supplement a bread/dairy dominated diet to bring it

up to speed.

In other words, I think the wide ranging continuum that makes up the

diets that fit within the Price paradigm can be usefully engaged by

folks with some help by how we add to it. I don't think a low brix

meat dominated diet that mimics the Inuit for example is somehow

uniquely or inherently superior per se to a low brix dairy/bread

dominated diet that mimics the Swiss Villagers diet. I think there is

quite a bit of room for individuality here.

For most of us (except maybe Chi, LOL) ALL these diets have to be

supplemented in some form if we are even going to begin to get near

the nutrient density of Price's primitives, whatever diet we follow.

One of my goals is to one day be able to sit down to a meal of nothing

but nutrient dense foods on a regular basis.

> >> IF this diet would work fantastically for someone, I think it would be a

> >> very rare person - certainly one already in fantastic health, who has no

> >> intolerance to gluten or dairy

>

> >Well that should be a given.

>

> I think you are responding to the part about having intolerances to gluten

> and dairy, which, of course, I know is a given, but needed to logically

> include it in my list of those for whom the diet would work.

Right, that is what I was responding too.

> But it seems

> you are probably not responding to the part about the person already being

> in fantastic health,

Right I wasn't responding to that.

> because I wrote that based on a misunderstanding of

> what wrote, thinking he meant *only* bread and dairy. Now that I

> realize that is not what he said, I wouldn't say the person has to be in

> fantastic health to begin with to do well on a diet based *primarily* on

> bread and dairy.

Okey dokey.

--

" It is no crime to be ignorant of economics,

which is, after all, a specialized discipline

and one that most people consider to be a

'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible

to have a loud and vociferous opinion on

economic subjects while remaining in this

state of ignorance. "

-- Murray Rothbard

>

October 1, 2005

On 9/28/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> -

>

> >I'm sorry for using his real name. I should have never done that. I'm

> >sure he has his own reasons for using Chi and I should have been kind

> >enough to honor them. Nonetheless, Chi has rarely if ever talked about

> >Brix, he is an Albrecht man all the way, and to suggest that he is

> >narrowed to such an extent that high brix matters over nutrition or

> >health, even in a joking manner, is not to understand his position on

> >soil fertility or the concept of high brix.

>

> I'm not sure whether he mentioned brixing, but he did argue that food

> choices matter much, much less than the nutritional quality of individual

> foods,

I think you may have understood him to say that but I have read him

enough that he doesn't bifurcate brix/nutritional quality in the way

you are presenting it above. If it isn't from high fertility soil it

is not nutritious in any real quality way is how he and the brixers

would look at it. And I'm quite sure he didn't mention brix (I have

never seen Chi mention Reams at all) although I'm just as sure he

harped on soil fertility as the key factor.

I do think that matters more than individual food choices, and I think

that quite accurately reflects the findings/observation of Dr. Price.

> to the point that he argued against the idea that there's anything

> inherently wrong with soy, for example. That argument is why I made my

> poison joke way back when.

But that is a different argument. There are people, even on this list,

who question the " soy is always evil approach " that many of us take on

this list. But that is a far cry from claiming that high soil

fertility can turn something which is inherently not food into food.

> I think the more focus we have on soil

> fertility and food quality the better, but I strongly disagree with the

> idea that the _only_ factor that should determine food choices is soil

quality.

Good, cuz none of us, including Chi, believes that, even though we

might argue and have an intramural debate about a *particular* food

choice.

--

" It is no crime to be ignorant of economics,

which is, after all, a specialized discipline

and one that most people consider to be a

'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible

to have a loud and vociferous opinion on

economic subjects while remaining in this

state of ignorance. "

-- Murray Rothbard

October 1, 2005

On 9/28/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> -

>

> >I know a few folks who either don't like meat or don't tolerate it

> >very well. I think in that case such a diet would be a godsend. I

> >also don't believe that every one is constitutionally oriented to eat

> >a diet high in meat. And I think we do them a disservice when we

> >suggest otherwise. I also think the opposite is true, some people

> >*need* meat as a basic staple.

>

> While I admit it's possible that some people are genetically adapted to

> lower-meat diets, there's a huge difference between a diet that's

> relatively low in meat but includes some good muscle and organ meats and

> one that simply contains none. I'm strongly inclined to think, based on

> the evidence I've seen, that anyone who doesn't tolerate meat well is

> having a problem due to specific impairments, such as hypochlorhydria, not

> due to genes, and my recommendation would always be to attempt to remedy or

> compensate for the problem rather than giving up on meat.

I didn't mention anything about giving up on meat, only that the Swiss

Villagers diet, which was *low* in meat and high in bread and dairy,

is just as legitimate as any other diet on the Price continuum. And

for *some* people that is probably the way to go (or the way they WANT

to go, which can be just as important long term) and we do them a

disservice by suggesting such a way can't be fruitful healthwise.

--

" It is no crime to be ignorant of economics,

which is, after all, a specialized discipline

and one that most people consider to be a

'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible

to have a loud and vociferous opinion on

economic subjects while remaining in this

state of ignorance. "

-- Murray Rothbard

October 1, 2005

On 9/28/05, dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000@...> wrote:

> Have you seen a chart differentiating the quality of products

> relative to Brix readings? I'd like to have one.

Yes, there are sevearl charts floating around. Here is one:

http://crossroads.ws/brixbook/BBook.htm#BRIX=QUALITY%20CHARTS

You might do well reading the entire online booklet.

--

" It is no crime to be ignorant of economics,

which is, after all, a specialized discipline

and one that most people consider to be a

'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible

to have a loud and vociferous opinion on

economic subjects while remaining in this

state of ignorance. "

-- Murray Rothbard

October 1, 2005

On 9/29/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

> > ...To show that there is progress being made, I walked into a grocery

> > store several weeks ago and right at the front of the store was a big

> > chalkboard/sign next to a display of peaches titled " Today's Brix

> > Readings " and an explanation right beneath it of brix and the readings

> > for the crop on display.

> >

> > ,

> If it doesn't impinge on anyone's privacy, will you reveal the name

> and location of this store, please? Thanks.

> B.

Metropolitan Market. There are 4 stores in the area but the one I was

referring to is in West Seattle just south of the corner of Admiral

Way and California on Admiral Way. Beautiful store. The original is on

Queen Anne Hill but this is clearly their flagship store.

--

" It is no crime to be ignorant of economics,

which is, after all, a specialized discipline

and one that most people consider to be a

'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible

to have a loud and vociferous opinion on

economic subjects while remaining in this

state of ignorance. "

-- Murray Rothbard

October 1, 2005

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>

>On 9/28/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

>>

>> I agree. I misread Chris' post and thought he was arguing that

>*just* bread

>> and dairy would be an good diet. I agree with most of your post, except

>> perhaps some folks need for the nutients I listed, since not everyone can

>> synthesize specific nutrients to fulfill their own personal

>needs for those

>> nutrients, and bread and dairy may not fulfill everyone's need

>for them, so

>> we often need to get them from other dietary items or supplements.

>

>Then I don't think we are in disgreement at all since I pointed out

>that a diet dominated by dairy and bread *and* supplemented can be as

>useful as a diet dominated by meat which is also supplemented.

Right, but I was specifically responding to your saying that bread and dairy

products could provide all but one of the nutrients I listed, except HA and

Vit. D, and aside from the ones the body synthesizes itself. So, I wasn't

necessarily disagreeing with you, but rather pointing out that I'm not as

confident as you seem to be that bread and dairy provide adequate amounts of

these nutrients. Obviously it depends entirely on individual needs, as I

know you agree. Unless your respoding affirmatively that bread and dairy

provides most of the nutrients I listed, wasn't intended to imply they

provide sufficient amounts for each individual to maintain health. Which is

how it read to me, but ya know, I may have misunderstood your intent.

Suze Fisher

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Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

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