Re: Using Brix Readings

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

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September 24, 2005

On 9/24/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> When you find someone who consumes only high brix foods, call the Guiness

> Book of World Records.

LOL! I _insist_ that it can be done. I don't agree with the whole

idea that we are hopelessly doomed to poor soil. I'm sure that if

someone just cared enough and took the right approach, that they could

create good soil even in New England. I'd really like to grow some

food someday just to do this.

> It basically all sucks, frankly. LOL. At least in my neck 'o the woods, 3

> hours north of you. I did find some local high brix strawberries that were

> really wonderful last year, but the season was very short and they were

> rarely avaiable at the store where I originally got them. I also found a

> high brix mango from Mexico that was also wonderful. But not many more

> successes than that.

It's 2 and 1/2, I think. Well Chi apparently found some good bread

and milk and dumped eveything else, so maybe you should just stick to

strawberries and Mexican Mangoes :-)

Chris

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September 24, 2005

Chris-

>I don't agree with the whole

>idea that we are hopelessly doomed to poor soil. I'm sure that if

>someone just cared enough and took the right approach, that they could

>create good soil even in New England. I'd really like to grow some

>food someday just to do this.

I agree completely, though it might be very expensive to create great soil

in a poor environment.

-

September 25, 2005

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Masterjohn

>

>On 9/24/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

>

>> When you find someone who consumes only high brix foods, call the Guiness

>> Book of World Records.

>

>LOL! I _insist_ that it can be done. I don't agree with the whole

>idea that we are hopelessly doomed to poor soil.

Well, I agree! I wasn't saying that it *can't* be done, I was just saying

that it *isn't* being done, expect perhaps for a few exceptional cases like

Chi who gets all his food from one high brix farmer. Hang out on the

brixtalk list for a while and you will see that many folks are trying to do

this, but it's very hard to do. I think Rex ate almost all high brix produce

at one point when he had his own high brix garden, though. The whole point

of my brix article was to inspire others to try to do this. I'm hoping that

it'll become less rare as more people get into high brix gardening.

I'm sure that if

>someone just cared enough and took the right approach, that they could

>create good soil even in New England. I'd really like to grow some

>food someday just to do this.

Me too.

>

>> It basically all sucks, frankly. LOL. At least in my neck 'o the woods, 3

>> hours north of you. I did find some local high brix strawberries

>that were

>> really wonderful last year, but the season was very short and they were

>> rarely avaiable at the store where I originally got them. I also found a

>> high brix mango from Mexico that was also wonderful. But not many more

>> successes than that.

>

>It's 2 and 1/2, I think.

With *your* car. LOL

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

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September 25, 2005

Suze-

>expect perhaps for a few exceptional cases like

>Chi who gets all his food from one high brix farmer.

Yeah, but doesn't he basically just eat milk and bread? Not exactly a good

diet even if they are high-brix.

-

September 25, 2005

> LOL! I _insist_ that it can be done. I don't agree with the whole

> idea that we are hopelessly doomed to poor soil. I'm sure that if

> someone just cared enough and took the right approach, that they could

-----> We're in the land of rotten soil here in the south also. BUT I

heard this is where Carey Reams did much of his soil studies with brix

meters so somehow he managed to raise the brix of these soils. He

healing center was somewhere around the norht Ga mountains but can't

recall exactly where. My mom remembers hearing about it though when I

was a teen ...LOL..looong time ago!

SO sounds like yes it can be done.

HEre's another cavet...I bet the charcoal stuff (terra preta) will

raise the brix tremendously if minerals are added. AND it does it

fast. I'm still reading and looking at this stuff whenever I have

extra time.

I've been talking to people who have used smoldered charcoal from

fires and all report great veg. growth and they taste good! Sounds

high brix to me. BUT the charcoal has to be made low temperature. I'm

trying to get a friend to make me some.

(google terra preta)

ANother interesting thing is a friend told me he threw his extra

kombucha scoby on some plants and they went wild growing. Musta

inoculated the soil with more microbes (just like the charcoal helps do).

On buying high brix...I'm like Suze. Even the best local grown farmers

market stuff is average at best. Very depressing. I've discovered who

grows the higher " average " stuff and buy mostly from them. Lots of

other people do to cause it tastes the best...no surprise there.

A few weeks ago I bought some S. Carolina peaches at a rural veg.

stand and they were good. Got home and brixed them at 12. But I bet

they've been sprayed mucho times. Most peaches are around here.

I've been giving my favorite farmers brix information (and a copy of

Dan Skow's tape shhhh...I know it's not legal to copy but they'll

listen to something before they read anything......)

So we'll see. Two are now interested and one got himself a brix meter.

Bye

Lynn

September 26, 2005

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Idol

>

>Suze-

>

>>expect perhaps for a few exceptional cases like

>>Chi who gets all his food from one high brix farmer.

>

>Yeah, but doesn't he basically just eat milk and bread?

That's what he says.

Not

>exactly a good

>diet even if they are high-brix.

IMO, it's not an optimal diet either, but then I wasn't making any claims

that it was, I was only making the point that there are a few people out

there in the world who do eat exclusively high brix diets. I'm not making

any claims as to the healthfulness of the composition of their diets.

Having said that, the Swiss villages Price studied lived primarily on dairy

and bread, only having meat once per week and a small amount of veggies when

seasonal. Although I bet these extra things contributed to their good

health, and personally wouldn't advocate a diet of just bread and dairy,

regardless of the brix levels.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side-Effects.html

----------------------------

September 26, 2005

On 9/26/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> Having said that, the Swiss villages Price studied lived primarily on dairy

> and bread, only having meat once per week and a small amount of veggies

> when

> seasonal. Although I bet these extra things contributed to their good

> health, and personally wouldn't advocate a diet of just bread and dairy,

> regardless of the brix levels.

Maybe, but still that makes clear that it is possible to have

fantastic health-- at least for someone who started out in good

health-- on a diet based primarily around dairy and bread.

And since it seems to come up every time the Swiss villagers are

mentioned that they had a higher average decay rate than many of

others of Price's study subjects, I want to make a pre-emptive move

and say that Price noted that nearly all cavities found within their

still quite low decay rate were found in people who had traveled

outside of the village into modernized areas for a year or two,

occurred apparently during this hiatus, and become inactivated upon

returning.

Chris

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September 26, 2005

>

> > Having said that, the Swiss villages Price studied lived primarily

on dairy

> > and bread, only having meat once per week and a small amount of

veggies

> > when

> > seasonal. Although I bet these extra things contributed to their good

> > health, and personally wouldn't advocate a diet of just bread and

dairy,

> > regardless of the brix levels.

>

> Maybe, but still that makes clear that it is possible to have

> fantastic health-- at least for someone who started out in good

> health-- on a diet based primarily around dairy and bread.

>

> And since it seems to come up every time the Swiss villagers are

> mentioned that they had a higher average decay rate than many of

> others of Price's study subjects, I want to make a pre-emptive move

> and say that Price noted that nearly all cavities found within their

> still quite low decay rate were found in people who had traveled

> outside of the village into modernized areas for a year or two,

> occurred apparently during this hiatus, and become inactivated upon

> returning.

Suze,

Strictly speculating from my armchair, but it seems to me someone

could have fantastic health eating primarily milk and bread--provided

the milk was high enough quality.

Was/is Chi very healthy?

B.

September 26, 2005

On 9/25/05, Lynn <lyn122@...> wrote:

> On buying high brix...I'm like Suze. Even the best local grown farmers

> market stuff is average at best. Very depressing. I've discovered who

> grows the higher " average " stuff and buy mostly from them. Lots of

> other people do to cause it tastes the best...no surprise there.

Not only is it depressing, but when you do taste the good stuff, you

are ruined forever, there is no going back. Low brix of that

particular food just won't cut it anymore. I have had high brix

apples, oranges, peaches and just recently a nectarine that was out of

this world. I can't stand the low brix versions of any of these. And

vegetables? Forget it. It is either kimchee or bust. Or my special

salad which is loaded with cheese, avocados, olive oil, garlic, ginger

and cayenne into which I can throw anything in and it will taste good.

> A few weeks ago I bought some S. Carolina peaches at a rural veg.

> stand and they were good. Got home and brixed them at 12. But I bet

> they've been sprayed mucho times. Most peaches are around here.

To show that there is progress being made, I walked into a grocery

store several weeks ago and right at the front of the store was a big

chalkboard/sign next to a display of peaches titled " Today's Brix

Readings " and an explanation right beneath it of brix and the readings

for the crop on display.

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September 26, 2005

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of downwardog7

>

>>

>> > Having said that, the Swiss villages Price studied lived primarily

>on dairy

>> > and bread, only having meat once per week and a small amount of

>veggies

>> > when

>> > seasonal. Although I bet these extra things contributed to their good

>> > health, and personally wouldn't advocate a diet of just bread and

>dairy,

>> > regardless of the brix levels.

>>

>> Maybe, but still that makes clear that it is possible to have

>> fantastic health-- at least for someone who started out in good

>> health-- on a diet based primarily around dairy and bread.

Do you *know* anyone who is in such good health that you'd recommend a diet

of just bread and dairy to? I don't, which is why I said I wouldn't advocate

such a diet. I honestly don't know a soul whom I think would do well on such

a diet in the long term, and further, I don't know any source of high brix

milk closer than Brazil, and don't know a source of high brix grains for

bread either. All of these factors would have to be in place for such a diet

to even begin to be worthy of recommending.

>>

>> And since it seems to come up every time the Swiss villagers are

>> mentioned that they had a higher average decay rate than many of

>> others of Price's study subjects, I want to make a pre-emptive move

>> and say that Price noted that nearly all cavities found within their

>> still quite low decay rate were found in people who had traveled

>> outside of the village into modernized areas for a year or two,

>> occurred apparently during this hiatus, and become inactivated upon

>> returning.

>

> Suze,

>Strictly speculating from my armchair, but it seems to me someone

>could have fantastic health eating primarily milk and bread--provided

>the milk was high enough quality.

>Was/is Chi very healthy?

> B.

I don't know anything about Chi's health. What makes you think such a diet

would sustain " fantastic " health?

Not even the Swiss ate such a diet. I think bone broths were probably an

important factor in their overall diet. I tend to think there are probably

several important nutrients in the bone broth, maybe the meat and the

veggies they consumed, that were not in the bread and/or milk.

Do milk and bread contain adequate carnitine, proline, hyaluronic acid,

glucosamine, chondroitin, antioxidants, vit. K, coq-10, vitamin A and

vitamind D? Just wondering cuz I don't know.

IF this diet would work fantastically for someone, I think it would be a

very rare person - certainly one already in fantastic health, who has no

intolerance to gluten or dairy and not descended from multiple generations

of SADers.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics