Re: Fat Absorption/Metabolism

[Guest guest]

>What could adverse health conditions could negatively impact dietary fat

absorption and metabolism ?

>

>Rebekah

The classics are:

1. Gluten intolerance (affects hydrochloric acid, bile production, villi

health).

2. Low HCL production (can be low due to age or other factors, AND #1, also

taking " acid inhibitors " .

3. Lack of pancreatic enzymes or bile salts (also affected by #1, and

other factors most likely).

4. Gut damage due to other factors (pain killers, certain

carbs, bacterial imbalance in general).

On the more problematic side, cystic fibrosis and pancreatitis.

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Heidi-

>1. Gluten intolerance (affects hydrochloric acid, bile production, villi

>health).

You're overlooking something else: adrenal exhaustion/insufficiency, which

also impairs the production of all digestive factors like HCl and enzymes.

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[Guest guest]

Pratick-

>What about hypo-thyroidism?

>

>Doesn't that slow down metabolism as well?

As I can attest from miserable personal experience, and how.

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[Guest guest]

You're overlooking something else: adrenal exhaustion/insufficiency, which

also impairs the production of all digestive factors like HCl and enzymes.

So what so you do for adrenal exhaustion?

Sherri

[Guest guest]

Sherri-

> So what so you do for adrenal exhaustion?

Ah, well, that's the $64,000,000,000 question. I'm still trying to figure

out all the details myself.

First, cut out virtually all sugar and starch from your diet. They

contribute to the surge-and-crash cycle which helps cause adrenal

exhaustion in the first place. Instead, make sure to get lots of good fat

and adequate quality protein. IOW, follow something like the original

Atkins diet, but through an NN lens -- plenty of fermented foods, bone

broths, grass-fed ruminant meat and fat, superfoods, etc. Extreme nutrient

density is as important for adrenal insufficiency as it is for just about

any of the worst conditions you can have.

Second, check your thyroid function. Hypothyroidism often seems to go hand

in hand with adrenal insufficiency. (Unsurprisingly, since hypothyroidism

can cause the body to try to compensate by producing extra

adrenaline.) It's difficult to get adequately and properly treated for

thyroid problems, though. The prevailing wisdom is to treat purely based

on the TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) test result and solely with

synthetic T4 (Synthroid is the main brand).

Eating substantial quantities of coconut oil can really help support the

thyroid due to its thermogenic and metabolism-boosting properties, and that

ought to help with adrenal insufficiency too, since when you're eating a

lot of CO, your body won't need to try to rev itself up as much with bursts

of adrenaline and other adrenal hormones.

Third, work on your digestion.

Hypochlorhydria (insufficient production of stomach acid) is very common

with adrenal insufficiency, and often people need supplemental digestive

enzymes also. You can get your HCl production medically tested (it's

called the Heidelberg test) or you can try the baking soda test (be very

careful!) or just experiment with HCl supplements. I had enormous

difficulty finding the right brand and dose of HCl, though. They all

radically improved my digestion (and I mean _radically_) but they also

almost all gave me major heartburn problems, which cased life-threatening

complications to my asthma. Finally I found that Pure Encapsulations

usually gave me little or no heartburn, but it's still an unreliable

balancing act, and YMMV.

In addition to HCl supplements, you may need an enzyme pill with meals too,

and while plant-based enzymes certainly help some people, if you're not

producing enough digestive enzymes yourself, you need to take actual animal

pancreatic digestive enzymes, not just papain and bromelain and other

plant-derived enzymes. The body expects and needs the digestion products

of pancreatic enzymes. There's no way around it.

Lots of homemade bone broth can really help stimulate and rebuild the

body's digestive apparatus, and though I'm just barely beginning to

experiment with this myself, it sounds like properly made kimchi (with more

than just cabbage in it) can help a lot with digestion. If it works out,

I'd certainly prefer kimchi to plant enzyme supplements.

If you have digestive problems -- any bowel problems -- the number one book

I recommend is _Breaking The Vicious Cycle_, by Elaine Gottschall. It's

not the be-all and end-all of health and diet books, but if you follow its

advice in conjunction with compatible dietary advice from the likes of

Atkins and WAPF, you can improve much more, and more quickly besides.

Fourth, look into whether you have food intolerances. Gluten and casein

are the ones most commonly discussed here on the list. BTVC requires

elimination of all grains and just about all starchy foods, so gluten

elimination happens on that diet by default, but here and there some people

can't even tolerate heavily fermented grass-fed dairy. It's worth checking

out.

Fifth, adrenal hormone supplementation in some form or other might help

your adrenal glands rest and recover. I really have no definitive

information on this. Some people suggest eating bits of actual adrenal

glands, but that can have unpredictable results. Others recommend

standardized dessicated glandular extracts. Others recommend taking some

DHEA or pregnenolone for awhile. I'm really not sure yet which course of

action is best, and there are dangers to them all.

Sixth, get plenty of regular rest, sleep in total darkness, don't go to bed

late, and get some genuinely bright light during the day, particularly in

the morning, ideally right after waking up.

Unless I'm forgetting something (very possible) that's pretty much the

extent of what I know to do.

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[Guest guest]

,

Here's a few more for you to try...

lots of fresh juice...not pastuerized...both veggies and fruits as you

would normally consume. And try adding " sparkling mineral water " like

Perrier...naturally carbonated. I have found that these both help the

adrenal exhaustion, and keeps me " pepped up " for the whole day. When I

start running down I drink a few ounces of " green pop " (veggie juice

with Perrier), and it perks me right back up...

Now does anyone know how to deal with all the tiredness and pain that

goes with Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and chronic Fatigue syndrome?

Catz

>

> Unless I'm forgetting something (very possible) that's pretty much the

> extent of what I know to do.

>

>

>

> -

[Guest guest]

,

Thank you for your every thoghtful answer to my question.

IOW, follow something like the original

Atkins diet, but through an NN lens -- plenty of fermented foods, bone

broths, grass-fed ruminant meat and fat, superfoods, etc.

--So does that mean to limit the total number of carbs--even those frome

veggies, milk, etc...?

Thanks again,

Sherri

[Guest guest]

Catz-

>Here's a few more for you to try...

>lots of fresh juice...not pastuerized...both veggies and fruits as you

>would normally consume.

I've tried vegetable juicing before, but it really doesn't work for me.

>And try adding " sparkling mineral water " like

>Perrier...naturally carbonated. I have found that these both help the

>adrenal exhaustion, and keeps me " pepped up " for the whole day.

Any idea why? The mineral content? I don't recall noticing any

differences in energy when I drank Gerolsteiner, but maybe it was subtle

and I wasn't expecting it.

>Now does anyone know how to deal with all the tiredness and pain that

>goes with Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and chronic Fatigue syndrome?

Adrenal exhaustion is often a major component of CFS, as is undiagnosed or

insufficiently or improperly treated hypothyroidism and poor digestion, but

I don't know much about MCS. I expect impaired liver function would be a

component, so milk thistle, bone broth and other liver-friendly foods and

supplements would probably be important.

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[Guest guest]

Sherri-

>--So does that mean to limit the total number of carbs--even those frome

>veggies, milk, etc...?

It depends -- if you need to lose weight, yes, otherwise, it's less of an

issue -- but inasmuch as you should make sure to eat a *lot* of good fat,

and you should cut out sugars and starchy foods, it's very likely that

you're going to wind up getting a lower percentage of your calories from

carbs. But if weight isn't an issue, you might well be able to make a

point of getting more fat, correcting your protein intake if necessary, and

then just let the remaining carbs fall where they may.

That said, it's likely that you should stick with fermented dairy only,

fermented veggies are always easier to digest than unfermented, and when

fermented, both dairy and vegetables turn into excellent probiotic foods.

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[Guest guest]

>What about hypo-thyroidism?

>

>Doesn't that slow down metabolism as well?

It can. But personally I think a lot of the hypo-thyroidism

and adrenal insufficiency (and T2 diabetes) is tied to the

food allergy problem and the fact we eat too much food

in general. And those two things are related too ...

If you eat something you react to, your body pumps out

" fight flight " hormones, like cortisol and adrenalin. Further,

foods with opioid-like effects mess up the brain and make

your emotional centers go very out of whack, which also

makes you pump out more hormones. Which tend to make

you very, very hungry afterward, so you eat too much food.

Anyway, all my " hypo-thyroid " symptoms ... weight gain,

cold hands, tired all the time, low thyroid levels ... normalized

by themselves once I got on a diet that agreed with me.

As did my blood sugar issues, and emotional issues. I

just don't think the organs start failing on their own, there

are triggers, and the IgA allergies (and possibly the IgG and IgE)

are biggies, and are *known* to trigger the production of

antibodies that attack the organs.

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Heidi-

>But personally I think a lot of the hypo-thyroidism

>and adrenal insufficiency (and T2 diabetes) is tied to the

>food allergy problem and the fact we eat too much food

>in general. And those two things are related too ...

There's abundant evidence that unsaturated oils depress the metabolism.

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[Guest guest]

--

What are the dangers of thymic factors? Are there brands that are better than

others?

You mentioned superfoods--Which ones in your opinion would benefit adrenal

exhaustion the most?

Thank you,

Sherri

Re: Fat Absorption/Metabolism

Heidi-

>But personally I think a lot of the hypo-thyroidism

>and adrenal insufficiency (and T2 diabetes) is tied to the

>food allergy problem and the fact we eat too much food

>in general. And those two things are related too ...

There's abundant evidence that unsaturated oils depress the metabolism.

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[Guest guest]

Sherri-

>What are the dangers of thymic factors? Are there brands that are better

>than others?

Thymus extracts? I doubt they're dangerous, at least if you get them from

a good source. Carotec's probably good, I'd expect Pure Encapsulations

would be, no doubt some other brands too. If you mean adrenal gland

extracts, though, more caution is in order because they can function

somewhat like an adrenaline shot and overstress your system.

>You mentioned superfoods--Which ones in your opinion would benefit adrenal

>exhaustion the most?

Good question. Raw grass-fed liver eaten in abundance is the one I've

gotten the most benefit from to date, but I still have a long way to go,

and I have what seems to be a highly unusual problem with polyunsaturated

oils of any kind, even in high-vitamin CLO -- they make me much more

exhausted than usual. Even eating too much oily fish (a tin of sardines a

day for several days in a row, for example) has that effect. That's why I

thought of trying dried wild salmon roe, since it might be an unusual

concentrated source of nutrition on a per-gram-of-PUFA basis.

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[Guest guest]

,

<Raw grass-fed liver eaten in abundance is the one I've

gotten the most benefit from to date, but I still have a long way to go, >

I have CFS also, and eat raw grass-fed bison liver--but only about 1/3 lb

every week or two--and I haven't noticed any particular results (at least

not that I can sort out from the other good things I eat that are healing

me). What exactly do you mean by " in abundance? "

[Guest guest]

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>What exactly do you mean by " in abundance? "

Well, YMMV pretty widely, but I find the effect becomes really noticeable

only when I eat at least 2 pounds a week, and it's most noticeable after a

string of days on which I've eaten half a pound every single day. When I'm

really good about eating tons of liver, my reflexes improve a lot, too.

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[Guest guest]

,

<when I eat at least 2 pounds a week, and it's most noticeable after a

string of days on which I've eaten half a pound every single day.

Wow, that is abundant. I'll have to start ordering more. (Although I

really liked it best with my sourcream sauce <sniff>.)

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

--

Sorry if you've covered this before but how do you prepare your liver?

Cooked? Raw? If cooked -- how?

Thanks,

Ron

> >What exactly do you mean by " in abundance? "

>

> Well, YMMV pretty widely, but I find the effect becomes

> really noticeable

> only when I eat at least 2 pounds a week, and it's most

> noticeable after a

> string of days on which I've eaten half a pound every single

> day. When I'm

> really good about eating tons of liver, my reflexes improve a

> lot, too.

>

[Guest guest]

I have seen more than one authority associate CFS and MCS with

candida or other fungal infection.

> ,

> Here's a few more for you to try...

> lots of fresh juice...not pastuerized...both veggies and fruits as

you

> would normally consume. And try adding " sparkling mineral water "

like

> Perrier...naturally carbonated. I have found that these both help

the

> adrenal exhaustion, and keeps me " pepped up " for the whole day.

When I

> start running down I drink a few ounces of " green pop " (veggie juice

> with Perrier), and it perks me right back up...

> Now does anyone know how to deal with all the tiredness and pain

that

> goes with Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and chronic Fatigue

syndrome?

> Catz

>

>

> >

> > Unless I'm forgetting something (very possible) that's pretty

much the

> > extent of what I know to do.

> >

> >

> >

> > -

[Guest guest]

,

Nice to see you on this list!

<For several weeks, I ate only about 2 oz of raw beef a day. I felt only

minimal results. It was not until I began eating about 6-8 oz DAILY + about

3 TBSP of raw butter DAILY + raw unheated honey DAILY that I began to notice

results almost immediately. When I increased the raw pastured beef to about

1# daily, I noticed even more improvement. (The raw honey helps in the

protein assimilation.)

I think maybe you misunderstood my last post--which was about liver amounts

only. I actually have close to a pound of meat (usually bison heart and

chicken) a day plus 6-8 T each of sour cream and butter. Maybe 3-4 T honey.

All raw and all grassfed. And I have also had some remarkable progress in

healing (good blood tests and visuals like age spots disappearing, eyes

changing color). But the CFS has been with me for over twenty years, and

while I do see improvement om energy levels (I can actually teach Tai Chi

now), I figure this particular problem is just going to take longer.

Meanwhile, though, there was the blurry vision--a new problem--and some

stomach distress/bad dreams in the middle of the night. Maybe just detox,

but I began to think something I was eating might have been a true allergen

for me.

[Guest guest]

>>>Meanwhile, though, there was the blurry vision--a new problem--and some

stomach distress/bad dreams in the middle of the night. Maybe just detox, but I

began to think something I was eating might have been a true allergen for me.<<<

Increasing or decreasing the amount of carbs you eat in the evening can cause

weird/bad dreams.

Cheers,

Tas'.

" Give it to us raw and wrrrrrrrrriggling " - Smeagol, LOTR.

[Guest guest]

Tas,

The only carb I eat is honey and I've been using the same amount, at the

same times, through good and bad nights. But one night when I woke at

around midnight, I had milk and cream to drink and when I fell asleep after

that I had a particularly horrendous nightmare. I gave up milk a couple of

weeks ago. Today (after another bad night) I went off cream. We'll see.

[Guest guest]

Ron-

>Sorry if you've covered this before but how do you prepare your liver?

>Cooked? Raw? If cooked -- how?

Raw. I get it in half-pound vacuum-sealed packages, and shortly before I

eat one, I take it out of the freezer and let it just barely start to

defrost. Then I cut it up into chunks and gobble it down. Keeping it cold

makes it more palatable.

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[Guest guest]

> >Sorry if you've covered this before but how do you prepare

> your liver?

> >Cooked? Raw? If cooked -- how?

>

> Raw. I get it in half-pound vacuum-sealed packages, and

> shortly before I

> eat one, I take it out of the freezer and let it just barely start to

> defrost. Then I cut it up into chunks and gobble it down.

> Keeping it cold

> makes it more palatable.

>

>

Wow. I have a ways to go yet, I see. Time to start re-programming the raw

meat revulsion. I've taught myself to like raw tuna but haven't graduated

to the other stuff yet. Come to think of it I do like beef carpaccio, so I

guess I'm at least halfway there.

Thanks for the info. This is a great group and you run it well. Lots of

smart people.

Ron

[Guest guest]

Ron-

>Wow. I have a ways to go yet, I see. Time to start re-programming the raw

>meat revulsion. I've taught myself to like raw tuna but haven't graduated

>to the other stuff yet. Come to think of it I do like beef carpaccio, so I

>guess I'm at least halfway there.

I won't tell you it's necessarily easy, but IF you get very fresh bison

liver, you might find it a lot easier than you think. Beef liver, I find,

always seems to have a mushy, grainy sort of texture, and a stronger

flavor, but very fresh bison liver is something else entirely. There's no

mealy quality at all, and objectively speaking I don't notice anything

objectionable at all.

>Thanks for the info. This is a great group and you run it well. Lots of

>smart people.

Thanks! Though I can't really take much credit -- the group mostly runs

itself.

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[Guest guest]

Well, I bought a pound of ground bison and am soaking it in kefir with a little

salt.

Would it taste better uncooked cold or warm?

Darrell