Needing to lose weight on a GF diet

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I love all the wonderful recipes and foods that you all talk about.

However, I think that I will gain (and certainly not lose) weight on

full fat milk, cream, fatty meats, etc. Has anyone here been

overweight before starting to eat NT or GF or whatever and had their

weight regularize while still eating the higher fat? Or has anyone

found a way to deliberately lose the weight while eating a more NT

way? What sort of path have you found? I am not merely moderately

(5-20 lbs) overweight - I am one of the gluten intolerant who was

addicted to the breads and did quite well on absorbing the

macronutrients. For the sake of my knees and overall health, I

would like to get down to a lower weight. I'm post-menopausal at 51

and finally only cooking and eating the way I want to, not for a

hoard of small children.

Connie H.

[Guest guest]

Have you ever read Dr. Atkins " New Diet Revolution " ?

Enjoy! ;-)

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

Hi,

I love all the wonderful recipes and foods that you all talk about.

However, I think that I will gain (and certainly not lose) weight on

full fat milk, cream, fatty meats, etc. Has anyone here been

overweight before starting to eat NT or GF or whatever and had their

weight regularize while still eating the higher fat? Or has anyone

found a way to deliberately lose the weight while eating a more NT

way? What sort of path have you found? I am not merely moderately

(5-20 lbs) overweight - I am one of the gluten intolerant who was

addicted to the breads and did quite well on absorbing the

macronutrients. For the sake of my knees and overall health, I

would like to get down to a lower weight. I'm post-menopausal at 51

and finally only cooking and eating the way I want to, not for a

hoard of small children.

Connie H.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/9/2004 3:24:06 PM Central Standard Time,

writes:

going off grains is why so many lose weight on atkins...i did an abbreviated

version thereof, just cutting breads and lost a good deal of weight. high

fat foods don't make people gain weight. too much sugar and refined carbs do

(not that i'm a carb naysayer, but throw carbs together with a lot of sugar and

you will gain weight, or at least not lose any)

your body turns carbs to sugar...sugar causes the release of insulin to

regular your blood sugar levels. while insulin is circulating in your system

your

body will not rid itself of unneeded fat and calories (hence why so many

diabetics have to watch their weight)

fat and cholesterol are good for you, don't swallow the modern mumbo jumbo

which has resulted in a near thousandfold increase in heart disease and

diabetes.

i find it ironic that our fat intake is the same (speaking just of the

" typical " american on the SAD) as it was 100 years ago due to fast foods etc.

the

only difference is the increase sugars!

keep your sugar intake low and you'll do fine....don't forget to drink

plenty of pure water and excercise!

in Christ,

stefanie

[Guest guest]

Although we have not been extremely overweight, my husband and I have lost

weight, and continue to lose weight on the NT " full-fat " style diet. Our

biggest weight changes came with eating good quality meat and fat, and cutting

out the sugar, flour, etc. It's getting to the point now where we may have to

start worrying about too much loss ! I would suggest that you continue to

educate yourself on the beneficial role that fat really plays in our diet and

weight management. A good place to start would be the recommended reading list

on the Weston Price Foundation website. Also, it's my understanding that just

because one is NOT underweight with gluten intolerance, it doesn't mean that

they have adequate nutrient absorption. I've read that overweight persons with

gluten intolerance may also have nutrient absorption issues.

Rebekah

Needing to lose weight on a GF diet

Hi,

I love all the wonderful recipes and foods that you all talk about.

However, I think that I will gain (and certainly not lose) weight on

full fat milk, cream, fatty meats, etc. Has anyone here been

overweight before starting to eat NT or GF or whatever and had their

weight regularize while still eating the higher fat? Or has anyone

found a way to deliberately lose the weight while eating a more NT

way? What sort of path have you found? I am not merely moderately

(5-20 lbs) overweight - I am one of the gluten intolerant who was

addicted to the breads and did quite well on absorbing the

macronutrients. For the sake of my knees and overall health, I

would like to get down to a lower weight. I'm post-menopausal at 51

and finally only cooking and eating the way I want to, not for a

hoard of small children.

Connie H.

[Guest guest]

Connie,

We are an odd sort... I have struggled my entire life to keep my

weight up...strict dieting to do so, my dd is the same way. My dh, on

the other hand, has several pounds to lose (and a few pant sizes too!

lol)

We finally went completely grain free (dd has an grain allergy), and

went full fat at the same time. Within 3 weeks these were the results:

dh lost 15 - 20 ponds, and 3 inches at the waist. dd gained 7 pounds,

and lost 1/2 inch at the waist. I gained 12 pounds (absolutely

amazing), and lost 1 inch at the waist. I am at my heaviest weight

(other than pregnancy) now at 112 pounds. I know, teeny-tiny, but

remember I have struggled to put the weight on.

I think it was interesting that the no grain, full fat diet normalized

weight, and trimmed the waist for all three of us.

the boys are 22 mos. and 4.5 yrs now, but they both showed more

leveled emotions, and more energy, coordination, and

intelligence...they also slept better.

Now that we have added some grain back in (neccessity in the food

budget), all of our waist lines have increased again. dd and I have

kept on the weight, and dh has slowly been gaining again (but he is

eating the fast food lunch that the boss is providing).

I hope that helps. I believe that fat is what we need for our energy,

while the protein is what our body uses to rebuild/repair itself.

Without enough fat, our bodies are forced to ustilize the protein for

energy, and have nothing left to repair with...thus the signs of old

age. Please don't ask for cites to this information as it is a

compilation of everything I have read, and my own families reactions

to everything I have read and tried in the last 8 years. I started by

trying to solve ADHD and depression issues.

Catz

> Hi,

> I love all the wonderful recipes and foods that you all talk about.

> However, I think that I will gain (and certainly not lose) weight on

> full fat milk, cream, fatty meats, etc. Has anyone here been

> overweight before starting to eat NT or GF or whatever and had their

> weight regularize while still eating the higher fat? Or has anyone

> found a way to deliberately lose the weight while eating a more NT

> way? What sort of path have you found? I am not merely moderately

> (5-20 lbs) overweight - I am one of the gluten intolerant who was

> addicted to the breads and did quite well on absorbing the

> macronutrients. For the sake of my knees and overall health, I

> would like to get down to a lower weight. I'm post-menopausal at 51

> and finally only cooking and eating the way I want to, not for a

> hoard of small children.

>

> Connie H.

[Guest guest]

>What sort of path have you found? I am not merely moderately

>(5-20 lbs) overweight - I am one of the gluten intolerant who was

>addicted to the breads and did quite well on absorbing the

>macronutrients. For the sake of my knees and overall health, I

>would like to get down to a lower weight. I'm post-menopausal at 51

>and finally only cooking and eating the way I want to, not for a

>hoard of small children.

>

>Connie H.

[HJ] I do the Warrior Diet ... well, it's gotten WAY to commercial, but the

feast/fast

routine stabilized my blood sugar big time (I used to HAVE to eat or I couldn't

function). I've lost a good deal of weight on it, and I don't work too hard

at it. Also, since you only eat mainly in a 4 hour block, and your body gets

used

to that, it's easier when I'm on the road, I don't have to find GF food! Also

the feast/fast protocol seems to make mice live a LOT longer and enhances

their ability to regenerate nerve tissue, which are good things when you are

getting older ...

I lose weight faster when I watch how much fat I eat though, so I try

to stay moderate in that regard. My diet isn't " low fat " by anyone's

definition though: I just adore hash browns and steak!

Heidi [HJ] [HTG]

" Cheer up....Things could get worse "

So I cheered up.....and sure enough, things got worse

[Guest guest]

Another thing to think about.

Muscle weighs more than fat. So as you ate the meat and fat it built up your

muscles, thereby adding pounds.

Also, remember that the low-fat diet has never been proven healthy. The

powers that be twisted the information provided by the studies and presented

it in the way they wanted it presented.

Enjoy! ;-)

Judith Alta

Re: Needing to lose weight on a GF diet

Connie,

We are an odd sort... I have struggled my entire life to keep my

weight up...strict dieting to do so, my dd is the same way. My dh, on

the other hand, has several pounds to lose (and a few pant sizes too!

lol)

We finally went completely grain free (dd has an grain allergy), and

went full fat at the same time. Within 3 weeks these were the results:

dh lost 15 - 20 ponds, and 3 inches at the waist. dd gained 7 pounds,

and lost 1/2 inch at the waist. I gained 12 pounds (absolutely

amazing), and lost 1 inch at the waist. I am at my heaviest weight

(other than pregnancy) now at 112 pounds. I know, teeny-tiny, but

remember I have struggled to put the weight on.

I think it was interesting that the no grain, full fat diet normalized

weight, and trimmed the waist for all three of us.

the boys are 22 mos. and 4.5 yrs now, but they both showed more

leveled emotions, and more energy, coordination, and

intelligence...they also slept better.

Now that we have added some grain back in (neccessity in the food

budget), all of our waist lines have increased again. dd and I have

kept on the weight, and dh has slowly been gaining again (but he is

eating the fast food lunch that the boss is providing).

I hope that helps. I believe that fat is what we need for our energy,

while the protein is what our body uses to rebuild/repair itself.

Without enough fat, our bodies are forced to ustilize the protein for

energy, and have nothing left to repair with...thus the signs of old

age. Please don't ask for cites to this information as it is a

compilation of everything I have read, and my own families reactions

to everything I have read and tried in the last 8 years. I started by

trying to solve ADHD and depression issues.

Catz

> Hi,

> I love all the wonderful recipes and foods that you all talk about.

> However, I think that I will gain (and certainly not lose) weight on

> full fat milk, cream, fatty meats, etc. Has anyone here been

> overweight before starting to eat NT or GF or whatever and had their

> weight regularize while still eating the higher fat? Or has anyone

> found a way to deliberately lose the weight while eating a more NT

> way? What sort of path have you found? I am not merely moderately

> (5-20 lbs) overweight - I am one of the gluten intolerant who was

> addicted to the breads and did quite well on absorbing the

> macronutrients. For the sake of my knees and overall health, I

> would like to get down to a lower weight. I'm post-menopausal at 51

> and finally only cooking and eating the way I want to, not for a

> hoard of small children.

>

> Connie H.

[Guest guest]

Yes, Stefanie,

Good advice! And you can tell if you have sugar issues if, when you

start a lower carb diet (40 grams a day at most) you feel out of it for

a time. This will pass for sure. I think going low carb for a week

jump starts the weight loss. Then add fruits and nuts back in time and

definitely exercise and drink a good 2.5 liters of water a day at the

least. Not everyone does well on this plan, but it is worth a try when

going native. I'd say, leave the grains behind forever in any case ...

except rarely maybe.

Deanna

> going off grains is why so many lose weight on atkins...i did an

> abbreviated

> version thereof, just cutting breads and lost a good deal of weight.

> high

> fat foods don't make people gain weight. too much sugar and refined

> carbs do

> (not that i'm a carb naysayer, but throw carbs together with a lot of

> sugar and you will gain weight, or at least not lose any)

>

> your body turns carbs to sugar...sugar causes the release of insulin to

> regular your blood sugar levels. while insulin is circulating in your

> system your

> body will not rid itself of unneeded fat and calories (hence why so many

> diabetics have to watch their weight)

>

> fat and cholesterol are good for you, don't swallow the modern mumbo

> jumbo

> which has resulted in a near thousandfold increase in heart disease and

> diabetes.

> i find it ironic that our fat intake is the same (speaking just of the

> " typical " american on the SAD) as it was 100 years ago due to fast

> foods etc. the

> only difference is the increase sugars!

>

> keep your sugar intake low and you'll do fine....don't forget to drink

> plenty of pure water and excercise!

>

> in Christ,

> stefanie

>

[Guest guest]

I think going low carb for a week

> jump starts the weight loss. Then add fruits and nuts back in time and

> definitely exercise and drink a good 2.5 liters of water a day at the

> least. Not everyone does well on this plan, but it is worth a try when

> going native. I'd say, leave the grains behind forever in any case ...

> except rarely maybe.

> Deanna

I think I eat a moderate-carb diet. My only carbs are a couple of

apples, sometimes squash or sweet potatoes (especially with the colder

seasons!), carrots, and kefir. I honestly don't know what I would eat

if I only had 40 grams of carbs or so. My breakfast is usually most

of the carbs (a kefir/fruit smoothie).

What do you all eat with a low-carb diet? It seems so difficult to me!

a

[Guest guest]

[a] What do you all eat with a low-carb diet? It seems so

difficult to me!

[Deanna] a, I am not that low carb now ... but then again, maybe I

am, lol. Today's feeding:

Breakfast - 3 eggs fried in ghee with 1/4 cup homemade kimchi. Coffee

w/whole milk.

Lunch - 2/3 cup chicken breast salad with mayo, mustard, celery and

onion; 1/3 of a grapefruit. Water.

Snack- 2 small, homemade coconut candies made with coconut cream

concentrate, shredded coconut, carob and a touch of water and maple syrup.

Dinner - Chili deluxe with beef, lamb and chicken (from the carcass,

frugal goil I am); tons of veggies and spices (sans beans). Also, 3

(count them) corn chips and 1/4 cup each fresh guacamole and fresh, raw

salsa. Water and chardonnay.

Eating lower carb makes me less hungry. But it took some time to get

this way. Usually I eat more raw vegetables, else more fermented foods

- veg and dairy based. Today was not the case. Energy levels are

constant eating this way for me. I will NEVER go back to high carb

eating. I can eat beans once a week. Occasionally, I make a kefir

smoothie, but that's with our own homegrown blackberries, and they ain't

real sweet. I make kefir cheese often as well. I am often in ketosis,

but it is not like I am trying hard. I think it is an individual

consideration. If you are active, you may eat more carbs and still be

ketogenic, especially with resistance training, which uses glycogen

stores mainly.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Not all fats are created equal.

It is the naturally saturated fats from animals, coconuts and palm kernels

that are the good fats.

The highly refined vegetable oils are NOT good for us.

I buy suet at a local meat market and render it into tallow. That is our

main cooking fat. The meats this market sells are not organic but neither do

they contain hormones and antibiotics.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

In a message dated 12/9/2004 3:24:06 PM Central Standard Time,

writes:

going off grains is why so many lose weight on atkins...i did an

abbreviated

version thereof, just cutting breads and lost a good deal of weight. high

fat foods don't make people gain weight. too much sugar and refined carbs

do

(not that i'm a carb naysayer, but throw carbs together with a lot of sugar

and

you will gain weight, or at least not lose any)

your body turns carbs to sugar...sugar causes the release of insulin to

regular your blood sugar levels. while insulin is circulating in your system

your

body will not rid itself of unneeded fat and calories (hence why so many

diabetics have to watch their weight)

fat and cholesterol are good for you, don't swallow the modern mumbo jumbo

which has resulted in a near thousandfold increase in heart disease and

diabetes.

i find it ironic that our fat intake is the same (speaking just of the

" typical " american on the SAD) as it was 100 years ago due to fast foods

etc. the

only difference is the increase sugars!

keep your sugar intake low and you'll do fine....don't forget to drink

plenty of pure water and excercise!

in Christ,

stefanie

[Guest guest]

Don't forget the low-starch veggies.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

Yes, Stefanie,

Good advice! And you can tell if you have sugar issues if, when you

start a lower carb diet (40 grams a day at most) you feel out of it for

a time. This will pass for sure. I think going low carb for a week

jump starts the weight loss. Then add fruits and nuts back in time and

definitely exercise and drink a good 2.5 liters of water a day at the

least. Not everyone does well on this plan, but it is worth a try when

going native. I'd say, leave the grains behind forever in any case ...

except rarely maybe.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

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first. after i stoppd for a month then i start gaining again. AS far

as i know dieting is not only im out what we're eating but we have

also to sweat out.

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Maya, works you out she puts you through aerobics, yoga, a bunch of

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Let me know what u think..

Kate.

In , bellumswife77@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/9/2004 3:24:06 PM Central Standard Time,

> writes:

>

>

> going off grains is why so many lose weight on atkins...i did an

abbreviated

> version thereof, just cutting breads and lost a good deal of

weight. high

> fat foods don't make people gain weight. too much sugar and

refined carbs do

> (not that i'm a carb naysayer, but throw carbs together with a lot

of sugar and

> you will gain weight, or at least not lose any)

>

> your body turns carbs to sugar...sugar causes the release of

insulin to

> regular your blood sugar levels. while insulin is circulating in

your system your

> body will not rid itself of unneeded fat and calories (hence why

so many

> diabetics have to watch their weight)

>

> fat and cholesterol are good for you, don't swallow the modern

mumbo jumbo

> which has resulted in a near thousandfold increase in heart

disease and

> diabetes.

> i find it ironic that our fat intake is the same (speaking just of

the

> " typical " american on the SAD) as it was 100 years ago due to fast

foods etc. the

> only difference is the increase sugars!

>

> keep your sugar intake low and you'll do fine....don't forget to

drink

> plenty of pure water and excercise!

>

> in Christ,

> stefanie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Don't forget the low-starch veggies. - Judith

Of course, they are a given for low carb eaters. As a former veghead

they figure prominently always in my life. No matter which style of

eating I have favored, my greens and things are always present and

accounted for. Thank you very much.

Deanna

>

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Judith Alta " <jaltak@v...>

wrote:

> Don't forget the low-starch veggies.

>

absolutely! i personally think the low carbing gets carried too far

when it goes to fruits and veggies...it's more that triple layered

cake with frosting we should worry about imho

though um, cake does have it's place in this world!

what irks me is the pushing of splenda in all this low carb diet.

that stuff is NOT safe!!!!!

in Christ,

stefanie

[Guest guest]

> [a] What do you all eat with a low-carb diet? It seems so

> difficult to me!

>

> [Deanna] a, I am not that low carb now ... but then again, maybe I

> am, lol. Today's feeding:

>

> Breakfast - 3 eggs fried in ghee with 1/4 cup homemade kimchi. Coffee

> w/whole milk.

>

> Lunch - 2/3 cup chicken breast salad with mayo, mustard, celery and

> onion; 1/3 of a grapefruit. Water.

>

> Snack- 2 small, homemade coconut candies made with coconut cream

> concentrate, shredded coconut, carob and a touch of water and maple

syrup.

>

> Dinner - Chili deluxe with beef, lamb and chicken (from the carcass,

> frugal goil I am); tons of veggies and spices (sans beans). Also, 3

> (count them) corn chips and 1/4 cup each fresh guacamole and fresh, raw

> salsa. Water and chardonnay.

>

> Eating lower carb makes me less hungry.

[a] You know, I recently cut out even the bit of sprouted bread

that I was eating. I have noticed too that the less I eat in terms of

carbs, the longer I can go in between meals without being hungry. So,

instead of small meals every 2-3 hours I can actually not think about

food for a bit. How liberating!

I must admit, though....I am a bit addicted to my apples. Gah. And I

really love a bit of sweet potato once a week or so. I guess all of

this is well and good, it is actually LOW carb not NO carb, right?

I can tell I am eating too much for carbs when I find myself eating

even if I am not really hungry, you know?

[i am often in ketosis,

> but it is not like I am trying hard. I think it is an individual

> consideration. If you are active, you may eat more carbs and still be

> ketogenic, especially with resistance training, which uses glycogen

> stores mainly.]

I need to look into this more. I am not exactly sure what ketosis

means, though I have heard the term quite a bit. Is being in ketosis

good? Bad?

~a

[Guest guest]

Dr Atkins, in his book, describes the two different types of ketosis far

better than I can.

The ketosis that low carbing causes is NOT harmful. It is just a signal that

the body is burning its fat stores.

People who say ketosis is harmful are probably thinking of the ketoacidosis

of a diabetic out of control.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

> [a] What do you all eat with a low-carb diet? It seems so

> difficult to me!

>

> [Deanna] a, I am not that low carb now ... but then again, maybe I

> am, lol. Today's feeding:

>

> Breakfast - 3 eggs fried in ghee with 1/4 cup homemade kimchi. Coffee

> w/whole milk.

>

> Lunch - 2/3 cup chicken breast salad with mayo, mustard, celery and

> onion; 1/3 of a grapefruit. Water.

>

> Snack- 2 small, homemade coconut candies made with coconut cream

> concentrate, shredded coconut, carob and a touch of water and maple

syrup.

>

> Dinner - Chili deluxe with beef, lamb and chicken (from the carcass,

> frugal goil I am); tons of veggies and spices (sans beans). Also, 3

> (count them) corn chips and 1/4 cup each fresh guacamole and fresh, raw

> salsa. Water and chardonnay.

>

> Eating lower carb makes me less hungry.

[a] You know, I recently cut out even the bit of sprouted bread

that I was eating. I have noticed too that the less I eat in terms of

carbs, the longer I can go in between meals without being hungry. So,

instead of small meals every 2-3 hours I can actually not think about

food for a bit. How liberating!

I must admit, though....I am a bit addicted to my apples. Gah. And I

really love a bit of sweet potato once a week or so. I guess all of

this is well and good, it is actually LOW carb not NO carb, right?

I can tell I am eating too much for carbs when I find myself eating

even if I am not really hungry, you know?

[i am often in ketosis,

> but it is not like I am trying hard. I think it is an individual

> consideration. If you are active, you may eat more carbs and still be

> ketogenic, especially with resistance training, which uses glycogen

> stores mainly.]

I need to look into this more. I am not exactly sure what ketosis

means, though I have heard the term quite a bit. Is being in ketosis

good? Bad?

~a

[Guest guest]

[~a] I must admit, though....I am a bit addicted to my apples. Gah. And I

really love a bit of sweet potato once a week or so. I guess all of

this is well and good, it is actually LOW carb not NO carb, right?

Have you tried sliced raw Jicama root? It has a refreshing taste

somewhere between an apple and a potato.

Darrell

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/10/2004 9:15:52 AM Central Standard Time,

writes:

Not all fats are created equal.

It is the naturally saturated fats from animals, coconuts and palm kernels

that are the good fats.

since she was asking about animal fats that is what i meant when i indicated

that fats are good for you. however, i could have been more specific!

in Christ,

stefanie

[Guest guest]

In normal people, ketosis is not bad. Ketosis is a metabolic state where

the body is burning fat for day-to-day

activities. I would imagine that since most traditional diets were

low-carb by today's standards, people would be

in ketosis most of the time.

The isolated communities like the Inuits, whose diet contains very

little vegetables and no fruit at all, would be

in ketosis year-round.

When we (me and the wife) were low-carbing last year, we were in ketosis

all the time.

-Pratick

-------------------------------------------

Right on with all your comments, Pratick. Colpo debunks the low

carb myths here:

http://www.theomnivore.com/commonmythsaboutlowcarbdiets.html

(click the link on top for more than you could ever digest on the

subject of low carb)

Also, I think a Paleolithic approach may be more in line with WAPF

recommendations now that Splenda and all the low carb junk foods are on

the market from Atkins Nutritionals.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Darrell " <lazlo75501@y...>

wrote:

> [~a] I must admit, though....I am a bit addicted to my apples.

Gah. And I

> really love a bit of sweet potato once a week or so. I guess all of

> this is well and good, it is actually LOW carb not NO carb, right?

>

> Have you tried sliced raw Jicama root? It has a refreshing taste

> somewhere between an apple and a potato.

>

> Darrell

Thanks, Darrell. I used to eat these and managed to forget about them!

~a