Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Anyone doing a Technology Surcharge for e-mail access -- especially if you are using a monthly survice with a fee -- i.e. Relay Health? If it costs $50/month to subscribe to a service to give your patients better access and healthcare -- why should the doctor pay for that out of their own pocket? Yes, it might save you some time in some ways, but it might take more time in other ways. Offering this service is sort of like doing a procedure that helps the patient -- we would charge for that procedure wouldn't we? So, if it is costing $50/month, it will cost $600/year. If 10% of your patients use the service and you have 500, 1000, 2000 patients, then you would have 50, 100, or 200 patients using the technology. So you could charge $12, $6, or $3 per year and break even on the cost of the service. If you had more people using the service, then you could charge less or perhaps it would be a minor profit center. Say you had 200 patients using the service and charged $10 per year Technology Fee, then you would earn $2,000 per year on the Tech Fee...which should cover the cost of the techology and then some. Falbal on the AAFP Practice Mgt list charges a Tech Fee I believe. BTW, I'm always irritated at how the business of medicine has backed themselves into a corner where we can't pass the costs along to a patient. Gee, our malpractice premiums go up 50%, but we can't raise our fees -- well, you can, but you only get what the insurance will pay. Gee, the cost of rent goes up 20% -- if I'm a retailer, I raise the cost of my goods, but we can't easily do that. Anyway, the Tech Fee would seem to be a legitimate way to cover this extra cost of adding e-mail services to a practice and not losing money in the process. Locke, MDBasalt, COEau (WI) Family Medicine Residency 19945 Years in Air Force -- [Laughlin AFB (Del Rio, TX) // Spangdahlem AB, Germany]Alpine Medical Group -- Private Group Practice since 1999www.alpinemedical.mdJob Share w/ WifeAMG went independent from hospital MSO 10/04AMG implemented Centricity EMR April 2005 AMG is dissolving 17 August 2007 & Locke plan to set up Locke Family Medicine 18 August 2007 www.LockeFamilyMedicine.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 I think you make some good points, especially about medicine not passing (being able to pass) costs to the " customers " . I think of my McKesson invoices' " fuel surcharge " that was added when oil prices skyrocketed a year ago -- now, a year later, more than enough time to budget costs of overhead, but the " fuel surcharge " is still on the bills (!).Certainly some of us do have a fee of one kind or another for such services. I however chose not to go that course. My thinking is that my tech systems are a fraction of the cost of having staff but allow me to do the work of the staff (I'm solo-solo remember). So I look at it as my " micro-staff " costs. Plus I use the communications as both a quality method (follow up " how did it go? " questions) and triage (pt often has given most of the history on the email for an acute visit).I look forward to learning how others chose to, or not to, have such a fee.TimOn Wed, July 18, 2007 11:48 am EDT, Locke's in Colorado wrote: Anyone doing a Technology Surcharge for e-mail access -- especially if you are using a monthly survice with a fee -- i.e. Relay Health? If it costs $50/month to subscribe to a service to give your patients better access and healthcare -- why should the doctor pay for that out of their own pocket? Yes, it might save you some time in some ways, but it might take more time in other ways. Offering this service is sort of like doing a procedure that helps the patient -- we would charge for that procedure wouldn't we? So, if it is costing $50/month, it will cost $600/year. If 10% of your patients use the service and you have 500, 1000, 2000 patients, then you would have 50, 100, or 200 patients using the technology. So you could charge $12, $6, or $3 per year and break even on the cost of the service. If you had more people using the service, then you could charge less or perhaps it would be a minor profit center. Say you had 200 patients using the service and charged $10 per year Technology Fee, then you would earn $2,000 per year on the Tech Fee...which should cover the cost of the techology and then some. Falbal on the AAFP Practice Mgt list charges a Tech Fee I believe. BTW, I'm always irritated at how the business of medicine has backed themselves into a corner where we can't pass the costs along to a patient. Gee, our malpractice premiums go up 50%, but we can't raise our fees -- well, you can, but you only get what the insurance will pay. Gee, the cost of rent goes up 20% -- if I'm a retailer, I raise the cost of my goods, but we can't easily do that. Anyway, the Tech Fee would seem to be a legitimate way to cover this extra cost of adding e-mail services to a practice and not losing money in the process. Locke, MDBasalt, COEau (WI) Family Medicine Residency 19945 Years in Air Force -- [Laughlin AFB (Del Rio, TX) // Spangdahlem AB, Germany]Alpine Medical Group -- Private Group Practice since 1999www.alpinemedical.mdJob Share w/ WifeAMG went independent from hospital MSO 10/04AMG implemented Centricity EMR April 2005 AMG is dissolving 17 August 2007 & Locke plan to set up Locke Family Medicine 18 August 2007 www.LockeFamilyMedicine.com ---------------------------------------- Malia, MD Malia Family Medicine & Skin Sense Laser 6720 Pittsford-Palmyra Rd. Perinton Square Mall Fairport, NY 14450 (phone / fax) www.relayhealth.com/doc/DrMalia www.SkinSenseLaser.com -- Confidentiality Notice -- This email message, including all the attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contains confidential information. Unauthorized use or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disclose, copy or disseminate this information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- Malia, MD Malia Family Medicine & Skin Sense Laser 6720 Pittsford-Palmyra Rd. Perinton Square Mall Fairport, NY 14450 (phone / fax) www.relayhealth.com/doc/DrMalia www.SkinSenseLaser.com -- Confidentiality Notice -- This email message, including all the attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contains confidential information. Unauthorized use or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disclose, copy or disseminate this information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. ---------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 I think it is one thing to pursue e visits as Eads does but E mail saves me money paper time stamps mailing it all cost more than email I must say AS to Alan Falkoff in Connecticut his mode of practice is the antithesis of what we do here. At aafp last year he prowlled teh vendors he told me to see what he could buy as a gadget to bill patietns a service for to ge t more money He also works inteh richest part of the richest state so there are many reason s esp appraoch to care that he is no example to follow Re: Technology Surcharge --> was RE: email and patients I think you make some good points, especially about medicine not passing (being able to pass) costs to the " customers " . I think of my McKesson invoices' " fuel surcharge " that was added when oil prices skyrocketed a year ago -- now, a year later, more than enough time to budget costs of overhead, but the " fuel surcharge " is still on the bills (!). Certainly some of us do have a fee of one kind or another for such services. I however chose not to go that course. My thinking is that my tech systems are a fraction of the cost of having staff but allow me to do the work of the staff (I'm solo-solo remember). So I look at it as my " micro-staff " costs. Plus I use the communications as both a quality method (follow up " how did it go? " questions) and triage (pt often has given most of the history on the email for an acute visit). I look forward to learning how others chose to, or not to, have such a fee. Tim On Wed, July 18, 2007 11:48 am EDT, Locke's in Colorado wrote: Anyone doing a Technology Surcharge for e-mail access -- especially if you are using a monthly survice with a fee -- i.e. Relay Health? If it costs $50/month to subscribe to a service to give your patients better access and healthcare -- why should the doctor pay for that out of their own pocket? Yes, it might save you some time in some ways, but it might take more time in other ways. Offering this service is sort of like doing a procedure that helps the patient -- we would charge for that procedure wouldn't we? So, if it is costing $50/month, it will cost $600/year. If 10% of your patients use the service and you have 500, 1000, 2000 patients, then you would have 50, 100, or 200 patients using the technology. So you could charge $12, $6, or $3 per year and break even on the cost of the service. If you had more people using the service, then you could charge less or perhaps it would be a minor profit center. Say you had 200 patients using the service and charged $10 per year Technology Fee, then you would earn $2,000 per year on the Tech Fee...which should cover the cost of the techology and then some. Falbal on the AAFP Practice Mgt list charges a Tech Fee I believe. BTW, I'm always irritated at how the business of medicine has backed themselves into a corner where we can't pass the costs along to a patient. Gee, our malpractice premiums go up 50%, but we can't raise our fees -- well, you can, but you only get what the insurance will pay. Gee, the cost of rent goes up 20% -- if I'm a retailer, I raise the cost of my goods, but we can't easily do that. Anyway, the Tech Fee would seem to be a legitimate way to cover this extra cost of adding e-mail services to a practice and not losing money in the process. Locke, MD Basalt, CO Eau (WI) Family Medicine Residency 1994 5 Years in Air Force -- [Laughlin AFB (Del Rio, TX) // Spangdahlem AB, Germany] Alpine Medical Group -- Private Group Practice since 1999 <http://www.alpinemedical.md/> www.alpinemedical.md Job Share w/ Wife AMG went independent from hospital MSO 10/04 AMG implemented Centricity EMR April 2005 AMG is dissolving 17 August 2007 & Locke plan to set up Locke Family Medicine 18 August 2007 www.LockeFamilyMedi <http://www.lockefamilymedicine.com/> cine.com ---------------------------------------- Malia, MD Malia Family Medicine & Skin Sense Laser 6720 Pittsford-Palmyra Rd. Perinton Square Mall Fairport, NY 14450 (phone / fax) www.relayhealth.com/doc/DrMalia www.SkinSenseLaser.com -- Confidentiality Notice -- This email message, including all the attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contains confidential information. Unauthorized use or disclosure is prohibited. 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Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 I understand your point, but I'm talking about more than just using Outlook e-mail to contact patients. If one is just using regular non-secure e-mail, I could see the argument of not charging. But if one is using secure e-mail that costs $25-50/month to maintain, why not pass that cost on to the patient. Every other business out there passes expenses on to the patient, why wouldn't we. Even if it saves me time, decreases paper costs, gives better care, etc...if it costs my bottom line money and I can pass that cost to the patient, why wouldn't I? Cheers Locke Re: Technology Surcharge --> was RE: email and patients I think you make some good points, especially about medicine not passing (being able to pass) costs to the " customers " . I think of my McKesson invoices' " fuel surcharge " that was added when oil prices skyrocketed a year ago -- now, a year later, more than enough time to budget costs of overhead, but the " fuel surcharge " is still on the bills (!). Certainly some of us do have a fee of one kind or another for such services. I however chose not to go that course. My thinking is that my tech systems are a fraction of the cost of having staff but allow me to do the work of the staff (I'm solo-solo remember). So I look at it as my " micro-staff " costs. Plus I use the communications as both a quality method (follow up " how did it go? " questions) and triage (pt often has given most of the history on the email for an acute visit). I look forward to learning how others chose to, or not to, have such a fee. Tim On Wed, July 18, 2007 11:48 am EDT, Locke's in Colorado wrote: Anyone doing a Technology Surcharge for e-mail access -- especially if you are using a monthly survice with a fee -- i.e. Relay Health? If it costs $50/month to subscribe to a service to give your patients better access and healthcare -- why should the doctor pay for that out of their own pocket? Yes, it might save you some time in some ways, but it might take more time in other ways. Offering this service is sort of like doing a procedure that helps the patient -- we would charge for that procedure wouldn't we? So, if it is costing $50/month, it will cost $600/year. If 10% of your patients use the service and you have 500, 1000, 2000 patients, then you would have 50, 100, or 200 patients using the technology. So you could charge $12, $6, or $3 per year and break even on the cost of the service. If you had more people using the service, then you could charge less or perhaps it would be a minor profit center. Say you had 200 patients using the service and charged $10 per year Technology Fee, then you would earn $2,000 per year on the Tech Fee...which should cover the cost of the techology and then some. Falbal on the AAFP Practice Mgt list charges a Tech Fee I believe. BTW, I'm always irritated at how the business of medicine has backed themselves into a corner where we can't pass the costs along to a patient. Gee, our malpractice premiums go up 50%, but we can't raise our fees -- well, you can, but you only get what the insurance will pay. Gee, the cost of rent goes up 20% -- if I'm a retailer, I raise the cost of my goods, but we can't easily do that. Anyway, the Tech Fee would seem to be a legitimate way to cover this extra cost of adding e-mail services to a practice and not losing money in the process. Locke, MD Basalt, CO Eau (WI) Family Medicine Residency 1994 5 Years in Air Force -- [Laughlin AFB (Del Rio, TX) // Spangdahlem AB, Germany] Alpine Medical Group -- Private Group Practice since 1999 <http://www.alpinemedical.md/> www.alpinemedical.md Job Share w/ Wife AMG went independent from hospital MSO 10/04 AMG implemented Centricity EMR April 2005 AMG is dissolving 17 August 2007 & Locke plan to set up Locke Family Medicine 18 August 2007 www.LockeFamilyMedi <http://www.lockefamilymedicine.com/> cine.com ---------------------------------------- Malia, MD Malia Family Medicine & Skin Sense Laser 6720 Pittsford-Palmyra Rd. Perinton Square Mall Fairport, NY 14450 (phone / fax) www.relayhealth.com/doc/DrMalia www.SkinSenseLaser.com -- Confidentiality Notice -- This email message, including all the attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contains confidential information. Unauthorized use or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disclose, copy or disseminate this information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- Malia, MD Malia Family Medicine & Skin Sense Laser 6720 Pittsford-Palmyra Rd. Perinton Square Mall Fairport, NY 14450 (phone / fax) www.relayhealth.com/doc/DrMalia www.SkinSenseLaser.com -- Confidentiality Notice -- This email message, including all the attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contains confidential information. Unauthorized use or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disclose, copy or disseminate this information. 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Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Now that I think about it... Another angle/reason for NOT charging patients for an e-mail service that costs the practice money would be that it might be a marketing strategy. You could increase your patient #'s by offering e-mail when the practice down the street doesn't. So it might be a practice builder in some sense. But if your practice is mature, then offering this service for free is basically just adding overhead to your practice -- yes, possibly improving care, too, but we are still taking home less money at the end of the day. Just another thought. Locke Re: Technology Surcharge --> was RE: email and patients I think you make some good points, especially about medicine not passing (being able to pass) costs to the " customers " . I think of my McKesson invoices' " fuel surcharge " that was added when oil prices skyrocketed a year ago -- now, a year later, more than enough time to budget costs of overhead, but the " fuel surcharge " is still on the bills (!). Certainly some of us do have a fee of one kind or another for such services. I however chose not to go that course. My thinking is that my tech systems are a fraction of the cost of having staff but allow me to do the work of the staff (I'm solo-solo remember). So I look at it as my " micro-staff " costs. Plus I use the communications as both a quality method (follow up " how did it go? " questions) and triage (pt often has given most of the history on the email for an acute visit). I look forward to learning how others chose to, or not to, have such a fee. Tim On Wed, July 18, 2007 11:48 am EDT, Locke's in Colorado wrote: Anyone doing a Technology Surcharge for e-mail access -- especially if you are using a monthly survice with a fee -- i.e. Relay Health? If it costs $50/month to subscribe to a service to give your patients better access and healthcare -- why should the doctor pay for that out of their own pocket? Yes, it might save you some time in some ways, but it might take more time in other ways. Offering this service is sort of like doing a procedure that helps the patient -- we would charge for that procedure wouldn't we? So, if it is costing $50/month, it will cost $600/year. If 10% of your patients use the service and you have 500, 1000, 2000 patients, then you would have 50, 100, or 200 patients using the technology. So you could charge $12, $6, or $3 per year and break even on the cost of the service. If you had more people using the service, then you could charge less or perhaps it would be a minor profit center. Say you had 200 patients using the service and charged $10 per year Technology Fee, then you would earn $2,000 per year on the Tech Fee...which should cover the cost of the techology and then some. Falbal on the AAFP Practice Mgt list charges a Tech Fee I believe. BTW, I'm always irritated at how the business of medicine has backed themselves into a corner where we can't pass the costs along to a patient. Gee, our malpractice premiums go up 50%, but we can't raise our fees -- well, you can, but you only get what the insurance will pay. Gee, the cost of rent goes up 20% -- if I'm a retailer, I raise the cost of my goods, but we can't easily do that. Anyway, the Tech Fee would seem to be a legitimate way to cover this extra cost of adding e-mail services to a practice and not losing money in the process. Locke, MD Basalt, CO Eau (WI) Family Medicine Residency 1994 5 Years in Air Force -- [Laughlin AFB (Del Rio, TX) // Spangdahlem AB, Germany] Alpine Medical Group -- Private Group Practice since 1999 <http://www.alpinemedical.md/> www.alpinemedical.md Job Share w/ Wife AMG went independent from hospital MSO 10/04 AMG implemented Centricity EMR April 2005 AMG is dissolving 17 August 2007 & Locke plan to set up Locke Family Medicine 18 August 2007 www.LockeFamilyMedi <http://www.lockefamilymedicine.com/> cine.com ---------------------------------------- Malia, MD Malia Family Medicine & Skin Sense Laser 6720 Pittsford-Palmyra Rd. Perinton Square Mall Fairport, NY 14450 (phone / fax) www.relayhealth.com/doc/DrMalia www.SkinSenseLaser.com -- Confidentiality Notice -- This email message, including all the attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contains confidential information. Unauthorized use or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disclose, copy or disseminate this information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- Malia, MD Malia Family Medicine & Skin Sense Laser 6720 Pittsford-Palmyra Rd. Perinton Square Mall Fairport, NY 14450 (phone / fax) www.relayhealth.com/doc/DrMalia www.SkinSenseLaser.com -- Confidentiality Notice -- This email message, including all the attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contains confidential information. Unauthorized use or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disclose, copy or disseminate this information. 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Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Went to a Focus group at our local hospital last evening. They are re-structuring medical staff with a new position: “community physician representative”. This position is held by local FP whose task it is to find ways the hospital can help the community physicians stay in the community (read between the lines: stay in business). I have to believe the powers at the hospital really have our best interest at heart, but do wonder “what is in it for them”. HOWEVER, things are pretty bad in the state of land: lowest 22% in re-imbursement nation wide, cost of running practice is 108% higher than national average, malpractice rates only temporarily stabilized 2 years ago…goes away in January 2008 (rates were to nearly double and last minute legislation kicked in to help out but the $ has run out…)…AND the president of state chapter of AAFP just resigned to take a position as a hospice director in another state…citing poor physician re-imbursement as primary reason for her departure. SO, to not stray too far from the subject line: at this meeting, a local internist told us he is out $250,000 b/c he tried to pass on costs of increasing malpractice (about 2 years ago) to his patients with a “voluntary contribution to offset high cost of malpractice”…(I think it was $50). Turns out his document was waved in front of state attorney general and legal fees have since amounted to the 250K!! Moral of the story is: be careful what you ask the patients to pay for, even when it seems fair, “right” and VOLUNTARY! It is a bit scary here in the mid-Atlantic… (where the blues are reported to pay $90 on a 99215) …and I am still trying to hold on to the idea that patients will come to my “cash-only” practice, eventually! Could be one of those “dead zones”…I’ll keep you posted! Ramona G. Seidel, MD www.baycrossingfamilymedicine.com Your Bridge to Health 410 349-2250 polis, MD From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Locke's in Colorado Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:49 AM To: Subject: Technology Surcharge --> was RE: email and patients Anyone doing a Technology Surcharge for e-mail access -- especially if you are using a monthly survice with a fee -- i.e. Relay Health? If it costs $50/month to subscribe to a service to give your patients better access and healthcare -- why should the doctor pay for that out of their own pocket? Yes, it might save you some time in some ways, but it might take more time in other ways. Offering this service is sort of like doing a procedure that helps the patient -- we would charge for that procedure wouldn't we? So, if it is costing $50/month, it will cost $600/year. If 10% of your patients use the service and you have 500, 1000, 2000 patients, then you would have 50, 100, or 200 patients using the technology. So you could charge $12, $6, or $3 per year and break even on the cost of the service. If you had more people using the service, then you could charge less or perhaps it would be a minor profit center. Say you had 200 patients using the service and charged $10 per year Technology Fee, then you would earn $2,000 per year on the Tech Fee...which should cover the cost of the techology and then some. Falbal on the AAFP Practice Mgt list charges a Tech Fee I believe. BTW, I'm always irritated at how the business of medicine has backed themselves into a corner where we can't pass the costs along to a patient. Gee, our malpractice premiums go up 50%, but we can't raise our fees -- well, you can, but you only get what the insurance will pay. Gee, the cost of rent goes up 20% -- if I'm a retailer, I raise the cost of my goods, but we can't easily do that. Anyway, the Tech Fee would seem to be a legitimate way to cover this extra cost of adding e-mail services to a practice and not losing money in the process. Locke, MD Basalt, CO Eau (WI) Family Medicine Residency 1994 5 Years in Air Force -- [Laughlin AFB (Del Rio, TX) // Spangdahlem AB, Germany] Alpine Medical Group -- Private Group Practice since 1999 www.alpinemedical.md Job Share w/ Wife AMG went independent from hospital MSO 10/04 AMG implemented Centricity EMR April 2005 AMG is dissolving 17 August 2007 & Locke plan to set up Locke Family Medicine 18 August 2007 www.LockeFamilyMedicine.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 RE confrontation on tech surcharge -- Falball at FPM listserv states Connecticut attorney general had challenged his but didn't take action. I too feel that a "subscription practice" is a tough risk to handle. In PA, financial risk is mounting too. My longterm goal is 2 pts/hour, @15 pts/day. Need FTE 1.5 to support this (yes yes I know some hate that) but I'll survive that (wife also gives 1.0 FTE as well. Dr Matt Levin east of Pittsburgh, PA Solo since Dec 2004 RE: Technology Surcharge --> was RE: email and patients Went to a Focus group at our local hospital last evening. They are re-structuring medical staff with a new position: “community physician representative”. This position is held by local FP whose task it is to find ways the hospital can help the community physicians stay in the community (read between the lines: stay in business). I have to believe the powers at the hospital really have our best interest at heart, but do wonder “what is in it for them”. HOWEVER, things are pretty bad in the state of land: lowest 22% in re-imbursement nation wide, cost of running practice is 108% higher than national average, malpractice rates only temporarily stabilized 2 years ago…goes away in January 2008 (rates were to nearly double and last minute legislation kicked in to help out but the $ has run out…)…AND the president of state chapter of AAFP just resigned to take a position as a hospice director in another state…citing poor physician re-imbursement as primary reason for her departure. SO, to not stray too far from the subject line: at this meeting, a local internist told us he is out $250,000 b/c he tried to pass on costs of increasing malpractice (about 2 years ago) to his patients with a “voluntary contribution to offset high cost of malpractice”…(I think it was $50). Turns out his document was waved in front of state attorney general and legal fees have since amounted to the 250K!! Moral of the story is: be careful what you ask the patients to pay for, even when it seems fair, “right” and VOLUNTARY! It is a bit scary here in the mid-Atlantic… (where the blues are reported to pay $90 on a 99215) …and I am still trying to hold on to the idea that patients will come to my “cash-only” practice, eventually! Could be one of those “dead zones”…I’ll keep you posted! Ramona G. Seidel, MD www.baycrossingfamilymedicine.com Your Bridge to Health 410 349-2250 polis, MD From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Locke's in ColoradoSent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:49 AMTo: Subject: Technology Surcharge --> was RE: email and patients Anyone doing a Technology Surcharge for e-mail access -- especially if you are using a monthly survice with a fee -- i.e. Relay Health? If it costs $50/month to subscribe to a service to give your patients better access and healthcare -- why should the doctor pay for that out of their own pocket? Yes, it might save you some time in some ways, but it might take more time in other ways. Offering this service is sort of like doing a procedure that helps the patient -- we would charge for that procedure wouldn't we? So, if it is costing $50/month, it will cost $600/year. If 10% of your patients use the service and you have 500, 1000, 2000 patients, then you would have 50, 100, or 200 patients using the technology. So you could charge $12, $6, or $3 per year and break even on the cost of the service. If you had more people using the service, then you could charge less or perhaps it would be a minor profit center. Say you had 200 patients using the service and charged $10 per year Technology Fee, then you would earn $2,000 per year on the Tech Fee...which should cover the cost of the techology and then some. Falbal on the AAFP Practice Mgt list charges a Tech Fee I believe. BTW, I'm always irritated at how the business of medicine has backed themselves into a corner where we can't pass the costs along to a patient. Gee, our malpractice premiums go up 50%, but we can't raise our fees -- well, you can, but you only get what the insurance will pay. Gee, the cost of rent goes up 20% -- if I'm a retailer, I raise the cost of my goods, but we can't easily do that. Anyway, the Tech Fee would seem to be a legitimate way to cover this extra cost of adding e-mail services to a practice and not losing money in the process. Locke, MDBasalt, COEau (WI) Family Medicine Residency 19945 Years in Air Force -- [Laughlin AFB (Del Rio, TX) // Spangdahlem AB, Germany]Alpine Medical Group -- Private Group Practice since 1999www.alpinemedical.mdJob Share w/ WifeAMG went independent from hospital MSO 10/04AMG implemented Centricity EMR April 2005 AMG is dissolving 17 August 2007 & Locke plan to set up Locke Family Medicine 18 August 2007 www.LockeFamilyMedicine.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 , I am opening my IMP next week, and have about 600 patients who have agreed to pay a $50.00 a year tech fee. Actually, it will probably be about half of that because I charge $50.00 for an individual, but only $75.00 for an entire family. We are in an area with very high incomes, and many of my patients pay that much every week or so to groom their dogs. For the fee, I am offering secure messaging, 24/7 online access to their charts, and virtual visits, as appropriate, at no additional charge. I won’t have all the technology up and running for another month, and have told everyone that I will bill them when it is working, but I still have received a dozen checks, and 8 PayPal payments from people who do not want to be left out. I have actually been worried I would end up with too many patients to make an IMP viable, so I was hoping that the $50.00 charge would discourage people, but it doesn’t seem to have worked. I will be starting up so busy because I have been practicing in the community for almost 25 years, and have a very busy “corporate” practice now, which I am trying to downsize to an IMP. T. , MD Sammamish Diabetes and Lipid Clinic, PLLC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Locke's in Colorado Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:49 AM To: Subject: Technology Surcharge --> was RE: email and patients Anyone doing a Technology Surcharge for e-mail access -- especially if you are using a monthly survice with a fee -- i.e. Relay Health? If it costs $50/month to subscribe to a service to give your patients better access and healthcare -- why should the doctor pay for that out of their own pocket? Yes, it might save you some time in some ways, but it might take more time in other ways. Offering this service is sort of like doing a procedure that helps the patient -- we would charge for that procedure wouldn't we? So, if it is costing $50/month, it will cost $600/year. If 10% of your patients use the service and you have 500, 1000, 2000 patients, then you would have 50, 100, or 200 patients using the technology. So you could charge $12, $6, or $3 per year and break even on the cost of the service. If you had more people using the service, then you could charge less or perhaps it would be a minor profit center. Say you had 200 patients using the service and charged $10 per year Technology Fee, then you would earn $2,000 per year on the Tech Fee...which should cover the cost of the techology and then some. Falbal on the AAFP Practice Mgt list charges a Tech Fee I believe. BTW, I'm always irritated at how the business of medicine has backed themselves into a corner where we can't pass the costs along to a patient. Gee, our malpractice premiums go up 50%, but we can't raise our fees -- well, you can, but you only get what the insurance will pay. Gee, the cost of rent goes up 20% -- if I'm a retailer, I raise the cost of my goods, but we can't easily do that. Anyway, the Tech Fee would seem to be a legitimate way to cover this extra cost of adding e-mail services to a practice and not losing money in the process. Locke, MD Basalt, CO Eau (WI) Family Medicine Residency 1994 5 Years in Air Force -- [Laughlin AFB (Del Rio, TX) // Spangdahlem AB, Germany] Alpine Medical Group -- Private Group Practice since 1999 www.alpinemedical.md Job Share w/ Wife AMG went independent from hospital MSO 10/04 AMG implemented Centricity EMR April 2005 AMG is dissolving 17 August 2007 & Locke plan to set up Locke Family Medicine 18 August 2007 www.LockeFamilyMedicine.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Thanks for the feedback. Did you check with your malpractice or legal to see what they thought of the surcharge? It sounds like some people have had problems rarely with the approach -- ie the person that mentioned getting this tech fee shown to the state attorney general...although it sounds like nothing came of it. Locke, MD From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of T. , MDSent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:24 PMTo: Subject: RE: Technology Surcharge --> was RE: email and patients , I am opening my IMP next week, and have about 600 patients who have agreed to pay a $50.00 a year tech fee. Actually, it will probably be about half of that because I charge $50.00 for an individual, but only $75.00 for an entire family. We are in an area with very high incomes, and many of my patients pay that much every week or so to groom their dogs. For the fee, I am offering secure messaging, 24/7 online access to their charts, and virtual visits, as appropriate, at no additional charge. I won’t have all the technology up and running for another month, and have told everyone that I will bill them when it is working, but I still have received a dozen checks, and 8 PayPal payments from people who do not want to be left out. I have actually been worried I would end up with too many patients to make an IMP viable, so I was hoping that the $50.00 charge would discourage people, but it doesn’t seem to have worked. I will be starting up so busy because I have been practicing in the community for almost 25 years, and have a very busy “corporate” practice now, which I am trying to downsize to an IMP. T. , MD Sammamish Diabetes and Lipid Clinic, PLLC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Locke's in ColoradoSent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:49 AMTo: Subject: Technology Surcharge --> was RE: email and patients Anyone doing a Technology Surcharge for e-mail access -- especially if you are using a monthly survice with a fee -- i.e. Relay Health? If it costs $50/month to subscribe to a service to give your patients better access and healthcare -- why should the doctor pay for that out of their own pocket? Yes, it might save you some time in some ways, but it might take more time in other ways. Offering this service is sort of like doing a procedure that helps the patient -- we would charge for that procedure wouldn't we? So, if it is costing $50/month, it will cost $600/year. If 10% of your patients use the service and you have 500, 1000, 2000 patients, then you would have 50, 100, or 200 patients using the technology. So you could charge $12, $6, or $3 per year and break even on the cost of the service. If you had more people using the service, then you could charge less or perhaps it would be a minor profit center. Say you had 200 patients using the service and charged $10 per year Technology Fee, then you would earn $2,000 per year on the Tech Fee...which should cover the cost of the techology and then some. Falbal on the AAFP Practice Mgt list charges a Tech Fee I believe. BTW, I'm always irritated at how the business of medicine has backed themselves into a corner where we can't pass the costs along to a patient. Gee, our malpractice premiums go up 50%, but we can't raise our fees -- well, you can, but you only get what the insurance will pay. Gee, the cost of rent goes up 20% -- if I'm a retailer, I raise the cost of my goods, but we can't easily do that. Anyway, the Tech Fee would seem to be a legitimate way to cover this extra cost of adding e-mail services to a practice and not losing money in the process. Locke, MDBasalt, COEau (WI) Family Medicine Residency 19945 Years in Air Force -- [Laughlin AFB (Del Rio, TX) // Spangdahlem AB, Germany]Alpine Medical Group -- Private Group Practice since 1999www.alpinemedical.mdJob Share w/ WifeAMG went independent from hospital MSO 10/04AMG implemented Centricity EMR April 2005 AMG is dissolving 17 August 2007 & Locke plan to set up Locke Family Medicine 18 August 2007 www.LockeFamilyMedicine.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Bill also for virtual visits RE: Technology Surcharge --> was RE: email and patients , I am opening my IMP next week, and have about 600 patients who have agreed to pay a $50.00 a year tech fee. Actually, it will probably be about half of that because I charge $50.00 for an individual, but only $75.00 for an entire family. We are in an area with very high incomes, and many of my patients pay that much every week or so to groom their dogs. For the fee, I am offering secure messaging, 24/7 online access to their charts, and virtual visits, as appropriate, at no additional charge. I won’t have all the technology up and running for another month, and have told everyone that I will bill them when it is working, but I still have received a dozen checks, and 8 PayPal payments from people who do not want to be left out. I have actually been worried I would end up with too many patients to make an IMP viable, so I was hoping that the $50.00 charge would discourage people, but it doesn’t seem to have worked. I will be starting up so busy because I have been practicing in the community for almost 25 years, and have a very busy “corporate” practice now, which I am trying to downsize to an IMP. T. , MD Sammamish Diabetes and Lipid Clinic, PLLC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Locke's in ColoradoSent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:49 AMTo: Subject: Technology Surcharge --> was RE: email and patients Anyone doing a Technology Surcharge for e-mail access -- especially if you are using a monthly survice with a fee -- i.e. Relay Health? If it costs $50/month to subscribe to a service to give your patients better access and healthcare -- why should the doctor pay for that out of their own pocket? Yes, it might save you some time in some ways, but it might take more time in other ways. Offering this service is sort of like doing a procedure that helps the patient -- we would charge for that procedure wouldn't we? So, if it is costing $50/month, it will cost $600/year. If 10% of your patients use the service and you have 500, 1000, 2000 patients, then you would have 50, 100, or 200 patients using the technology. So you could charge $12, $6, or $3 per year and break even on the cost of the service. If you had more people using the service, then you could charge less or perhaps it would be a minor profit center. Say you had 200 patients using the service and charged $10 per year Technology Fee, then you would earn $2,000 per year on the Tech Fee...which should cover the cost of the techology and then some. Falbal on the AAFP Practice Mgt list charges a Tech Fee I believe. BTW, I'm always irritated at how the business of medicine has backed themselves into a corner where we can't pass the costs along to a patient. Gee, our malpractice premiums go up 50%, but we can't raise our fees -- well, you can, but you only get what the insurance will pay. Gee, the cost of rent goes up 20% -- if I'm a retailer, I raise the cost of my goods, but we can't easily do that. Anyway, the Tech Fee would seem to be a legitimate way to cover this extra cost of adding e-mail services to a practice and not losing money in the process. Locke, MDBasalt, COEau (WI) Family Medicine Residency 19945 Years in Air Force -- [Laughlin AFB (Del Rio, TX) // Spangdahlem AB, Germany]Alpine Medical Group -- Private Group Practice since 1999www.alpinemedical.mdJob Share w/ WifeAMG went independent from hospital MSO 10/04AMG implemented Centricity EMR April 2005 AMG is dissolving 17 August 2007 & Locke plan to set up Locke Family Medicine 18 August 2007 www.LockeFamilyMedicine.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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