Re: Really need help

[Guest guest]

How much does your little boy weigh, and what was the dosage you had

him on?

- In , " jj2littletrojans " <aandlbryant@c...>

wrote:

> I posted last month about my little boy & now I really need help.

He

> has just turned 6 & his diagnosis is PDD-NOS. We have not seen Dr.

G

> yet (have been on waiting list since this time last year), but he

has

> made trendous progress since his diagnosis at 3. His speech is

> approximately 1 year behind, but he is in a normal kindergarten

class

> at a small private school.(We put him in K-4 since that's where

his

> speech/social skill level was). He was doing really well.

>

> When I posted last, we were on our 3rd week of Paxil. After the

2nd

> week, he started to " stim " . It only got worse, so we took him off

of

> it after the 3rd week. The stimming has not gotten any better; in

> fact it is much, much worse. After he had been off the Paxil a

> couple of weeks, I thought it might be yeast, since he'd recently

had

> a couple of rounds of antibiotics. He stared Sporonox a little

over

> a week ago, and the stimming continues to get worse.

>

> I am really close to panic. I had actually started to think maybe

we

> were going to beat this. At Christmas, his speech & behaviour was

so

> good, he really didn't stand out at all. Last night, a lady in

the

> restaurant tried to talk to him, and he couldn't get out two words

> without making the noise he's been making & hitting himself in the

> chest. I am also afraid they will ask us to leave his school if I

> can't figure this out quickly. I feel like it's the right place

for

> him, because of class size (5 kids), but they have no clue about

> autism.

>

> Does anybody have any ideas?? My pediatrician is pretty good about

> trying what I ask him to(within reason). Is their anyway the

Paxil

> could still be affecting him? He was only on it 3 weeks? Any

> suggestions would be appreciated.

[Guest guest]

If it's been only a week on an antifungal, what you are probably seeing is a

die-off reaction (also called - I believe I'm spelling this correctly - the

Herxheimer reaction). That's because as the yeast dies, it gives off massive

amounts of toxins that intensify the " autistic " symptoms for a short time.

This is actually a good thing, because once the die-off is over, your son will

be much calmer, clearer, and much less stimmy. When my son started Diflucan, he

got very, very stimmy and zoney -- in fact, he almost seemed drunk at times!

After about three weeks (which is longer than usual -- Dr. G usually says

die-off won't last longer than one-two weeks), he stopped stimming and was able

to focus much better.

Also -- Paxil was a disaster for my little guy. It made him really zoney and

stimmy. We switched him to Zoloft and it was much better. SSRI's can be very

tricky and you have to start with very, very, very small doses.

HTH,

Donna

[Guest guest]

In my reading and talking to various people about SSRIs, I've learned it is

never wise to simply stop one. Often this can lead to a worsening of problems

for awhile. Instead, you should gradually wean off of them. I'm not sure if

this would apply to being on them as short a time as your son was but it might

be something to consider.

The yeast is probably a good possibility and still a bit early to rule out

the stims being a die-off or yeast-related thing. Also, other docs are finding

more overgrowths of pathogenic bacteria, especially clostridia, in autistic

kids that increases stimming quite a bit. Some say that treating only yeast in

these kids can actually make the clostridia worse because it makes more room

for it to over-grow. If your child isn't better in a week or so, you might

consider asking the doc to test to rule out clostridia.

However, your mention of changing the diet makes me suspect that he's eating

something new or more of something that he is reactive to. Try rotating his

foods as much as possible and keep a diary of what he eats to see if there is

something that may be increasing the stims.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

He weighs about 50 lbs. We did 2 weeks at 1/4 of a 10 mg tablet &

then 1 week at 1/2 tablet before taking him off.

> > I posted last month about my little boy & now I really need

help.

> He

> > has just turned 6 & his diagnosis is PDD-NOS. We have not seen

Dr.

> G

> > yet (have been on waiting list since this time last year), but he

> has

> > made trendous progress since his diagnosis at 3. His speech is

> > approximately 1 year behind, but he is in a normal kindergarten

> class

> > at a small private school.(We put him in K-4 since that's where

> his

> > speech/social skill level was). He was doing really well.

> >

> > When I posted last, we were on our 3rd week of Paxil. After the

> 2nd

> > week, he started to " stim " . It only got worse, so we took him

off

> of

> > it after the 3rd week. The stimming has not gotten any better;

in

> > fact it is much, much worse. After he had been off the Paxil a

> > couple of weeks, I thought it might be yeast, since he'd recently

> had

> > a couple of rounds of antibiotics. He stared Sporonox a little

> over

> > a week ago, and the stimming continues to get worse.

> >

> > I am really close to panic. I had actually started to think

maybe

> we

> > were going to beat this. At Christmas, his speech & behaviour

was

> so

> > good, he really didn't stand out at all. Last night, a lady in

> the

> > restaurant tried to talk to him, and he couldn't get out two

words

> > without making the noise he's been making & hitting himself in

the

> > chest. I am also afraid they will ask us to leave his school if I

> > can't figure this out quickly. I feel like it's the right place

> for

> > him, because of class size (5 kids), but they have no clue about

> > autism.

> >

> > Does anybody have any ideas?? My pediatrician is pretty good

about

> > trying what I ask him to(within reason). Is their anyway the

> Paxil

> > could still be affecting him? He was only on it 3 weeks? Any

> > suggestions would be appreciated.

[Guest guest]

I really hope that what I'm seeing is die-off. I'm just concerned

because (1) he did not have this severe a die-off reaction any other

time he was on anti-fungals & (2) the stimming started before the

anti-fungals (which I guess could be yeast). This is so frustating!!

I have analyzed this until I'm not sure what's going on.

One other thing I thought about is we have started trying to

implement the Gluten-free diet (still not there 100%) because his

brother, who is also autistic, actually reacted to gluten on his

allergy testing. I thought it would be easier to put both of them on

it, rather than fix 2 seperate meals. Could he be allergic to the

rice or some of the other things in the gluten-free stuff?

Thanks for your imput.

> If it's been only a week on an antifungal, what you are probably

seeing is a die-off reaction (also called - I believe I'm spelling

this correctly - the Herxheimer reaction). That's because as the

yeast dies, it gives off massive amounts of toxins that intensify

the " autistic " symptoms for a short time. This is actually a good

thing, because once the die-off is over, your son will be much

calmer, clearer, and much less stimmy. When my son started Diflucan,

he got very, very stimmy and zoney -- in fact, he almost seemed drunk

at times! After about three weeks (which is longer than usual -- Dr.

G usually says die-off won't last longer than one-two weeks), he

stopped stimming and was able to focus much better.

>

> Also -- Paxil was a disaster for my little guy. It made him really

zoney and stimmy. We switched him to Zoloft and it was much better.

SSRI's can be very tricky and you have to start with very, very, very

small doses.

>

> HTH,

> Donna

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/11/2004 7:19:30 AM Central Standard Time,

lsa5885@... writes:

You might also want to try Benadryl (die-free)or charcoal to help ease the

symptoms if you do suspect an allergy reaction. When my son gets " looped " I give

him charcoal and he always seems better the next day. I know that Dr. G might

not agree with me, but I've done my homework and it's perfectly safe in small

doses and works liks a charm for us.

,

Do you use the powder form or does the pill form work just as well?

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

I think your probably correct to suspect something other than die-off since the

stimming started before the antifungal.

I would look into a bacterial infection or allergy reaction.

Also, abruptly stopping the SSRI could have something to do with this. Usually

if an SSRI is not right for a child, it's best to wean them off slowly or switch

to another. Sorry, I know it's the last thing you need to hear, it's too late

now!!

I also know how difficult it is when your almost there and then your child

regresses. It's been our experience that this always passes and your little guy

will be back to normal again soon.

As far as school is concerned, I would explain the situation to the teacher and

assure her that this " medication reaction " is only temporary and ask that she

have patience with him as he has no control over this.

You might also want to try Benadryl (die-free)or charcoal to help ease the

symptoms if you do suspect an allergy reaction. When my son gets " looped " I give

him charcoal and he always seems better the next day. I know that Dr. G might

not agree with me, but I've done my homework and it's perfectly safe in small

doses and works liks a charm for us.

Hope this helps,

Re: Really Need Help

I really hope that what I'm seeing is die-off. I'm just concerned

because (1) he did not have this severe a die-off reaction any other

time he was on anti-fungals & (2) the stimming started before the

anti-fungals (which I guess could be yeast). This is so frustating!!

I have analyzed this until I'm not sure what's going on.

One other thing I thought about is we have started trying to

implement the Gluten-free diet (still not there 100%) because his

brother, who is also autistic, actually reacted to gluten on his

allergy testing. I thought it would be easier to put both of them on

it, rather than fix 2 seperate meals. Could he be allergic to the

rice or some of the other things in the gluten-free stuff?

Thanks for your imput.

> If it's been only a week on an antifungal, what you are probably

seeing is a die-off reaction (also called - I believe I'm spelling

this correctly - the Herxheimer reaction). That's because as the

yeast dies, it gives off massive amounts of toxins that intensify

the " autistic " symptoms for a short time. This is actually a good

thing, because once the die-off is over, your son will be much

calmer, clearer, and much less stimmy. When my son started Diflucan,

he got very, very stimmy and zoney -- in fact, he almost seemed drunk

at times! After about three weeks (which is longer than usual -- Dr.

G usually says die-off won't last longer than one-two weeks), he

stopped stimming and was able to focus much better.

>

> Also -- Paxil was a disaster for my little guy. It made him really

zoney and stimmy. We switched him to Zoloft and it was much better.

SSRI's can be very tricky and you have to start with very, very, very

small doses.

>

> HTH,

> Donna

>

>

[Guest guest]

Charcoal? Where do you get it? What does it do?

Re: Really Need Help

I really hope that what I'm seeing is die-off. I'm just concerned

because (1) he did not have this severe a die-off reaction any other

time he was on anti-fungals & (2) the stimming started before the

anti-fungals (which I guess could be yeast). This is so frustating!!

I have analyzed this until I'm not sure what's going on.

One other thing I thought about is we have started trying to

implement the Gluten-free diet (still not there 100%) because his

brother, who is also autistic, actually reacted to gluten on his

allergy testing. I thought it would be easier to put both of them on

it, rather than fix 2 seperate meals. Could he be allergic to the

rice or some of the other things in the gluten-free stuff?

Thanks for your imput.

> If it's been only a week on an antifungal, what you are probably

seeing is a die-off reaction (also called - I believe I'm spelling

this correctly - the Herxheimer reaction). That's because as the

yeast dies, it gives off massive amounts of toxins that intensify

the " autistic " symptoms for a short time. This is actually a good

thing, because once the die-off is over, your son will be much

calmer, clearer, and much less stimmy. When my son started Diflucan,

he got very, very stimmy and zoney -- in fact, he almost seemed drunk

at times! After about three weeks (which is longer than usual -- Dr.

G usually says die-off won't last longer than one-two weeks), he

stopped stimming and was able to focus much better.

>

> Also -- Paxil was a disaster for my little guy. It made him really

zoney and stimmy. We switched him to Zoloft and it was much better.

SSRI's can be very tricky and you have to start with very, very, very

small doses.

>

> HTH,

> Donna

>

>

[Guest guest]

<<<In a message dated 2/11/2004 7:19:30 AM Central Standard Time,

lsa5885@... writes:

You might also want to try Benadryl (die-free)or charcoal to help ease the

symptoms if you do suspect an allergy reaction. When my son gets " looped " I give

him charcoal and he always seems better the next day. I know that Dr. G might

not agree with me, but I've done my homework and it's perfectly safe in small

doses and works liks a charm for us. <<<

I've used the dye-free Benadryl with my son for suspected food reactions -- it

really helps!

Donna

[Guest guest]

I use the powder form and mix it in applesauce. It's black and tasteless. I tell

that it's monster sauce and make a game of eating it. He accepts this

explanation and eats it with no problem.

Re: Re: Really Need Help

In a message dated 2/11/2004 7:19:30 AM Central Standard Time,

lsa5885@... writes:

You might also want to try Benadryl (die-free)or charcoal to help ease the

symptoms if you do suspect an allergy reaction. When my son gets " looped " I

give

him charcoal and he always seems better the next day. I know that Dr. G might

not agree with me, but I've done my homework and it's perfectly safe in small

doses and works liks a charm for us.

,

Do you use the powder form or does the pill form work just as well?

Gaylen

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the original author(s), and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

opinion of the Research Institute.

[Guest guest]

I use Activated Charcoal by Nature's Way. You can get it at most health food,

grocery or drug stores. It comes in a capsule form (I open the capsules and

sprinkle the powder into applesauce). I also read that it comes in a liquid

form. It is my understanding that charcoal helps remove toxins from the GI

tract. More info. can be found by searching the web.. HTH, Take care,

Re: Really Need Help

I really hope that what I'm seeing is die-off. I'm just concerned

because (1) he did not have this severe a die-off reaction any other

time he was on anti-fungals & (2) the stimming started before the

anti-fungals (which I guess could be yeast). >>>>>

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[Guest guest]

My son has high histamine and we use the Benadryl die free, would the charcoal

treat similar issues?

Donnaaron <donnaaron@...> wrote:<<<In a message dated 2/11/2004 7:19:30

AM Central Standard Time,

lsa5885@... writes:

You might also want to try Benadryl (die-free)or charcoal to help ease the

symptoms if you do suspect an allergy reaction. When my son gets " looped " I give

him charcoal and he always seems better the next day. I know that Dr. G might

not agree with me, but I've done my homework and it's perfectly safe in small

doses and works liks a charm for us. <<<

I've used the dye-free Benadryl with my son for suspected food reactions -- it

really helps!

Donna

[Guest guest]

Lynne-

>help?

This may not be a popular suggestion on this list, but try supplementing

with B vitamins. Take a B complex and consider added riboflavin and

sublingual P5P (the coenzyme form of B6) in addition. Also take some zinc,

ideally optizinc, some additional folate (Folirinse is a good form AFAIK; I

take it) and some extra B12, preferably as methylcobalamin. Don't bother

with cyanocobalamin. Don't worry about taking what might seem like very

large doses.

Also, have you ever tried EFT? I'd never recommend it as a replacement for

nutrition, but as an adjunct it can sometimes be extremely powerful.

-

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

I have this problem! ALL THE TIME~!

I won't eat unless I have exactly what I want to eat and sometimes I

don't know what I want so I end up not eating. It is more than

difficult to get over, as I am still struggling to make sure I feed

myself.

In the worst of my anorexia I drank OJ and only OJ for a week.

Things that have helped me:

1) Routine. Always eat at the same time. Pick the times of day that

your tummy gumbles the loudest and aim to eat then. Add more meals to

accomodate your tummy if it is growly more often, but decrease the

amounts accordingly.

2) Eating early. If you wait until you arn't hungry anymore to cook

dinner, its too late to eat. Don't put off eating because you are too

busy or too absorbed in what you are doing.

3) Enzymes and Probiotics. I take these with meals occasionally, they

really help my intestines absorb things a lot better. (I have IBD.)

This helped more with me still being hungry after eating (the later

stage of forgetting to eat for me...)

4) Electrolytes. Make sure you are getting enough Calcium, Magnesium,

Potassium, Chloride, Phosphorus and Sodium. Imbalances in these

nutrients can cause the body to miscommunicate and drop instructions

(including the instruction which states " Feed Me!! " ).

5) Herbs. Fennel and Mints are well known for stoking the appetite.

Yogi Tea has a Digestive Ease blend which always gets my stomach

growling.

Sincerely,

Lana M. Gibbons

On 9/6/05, Lynn Siprelle <lynn@...> wrote:

> OK you guys I am more confused than ever and at the brink of what would

> appear to be anorexia.

>

> I am hungry but can't eat. Nothing sounds good. I forget to eat. I

> weigh 250 frickin pounds (5' 5 " )and have had food issues most of my

> life; if you had told me 10 years ago that I would *ever* forget to eat

> or not want to eat I'd have told you you were crazy. But here I am.

>

> Yesterday I was driving with my daughters to pick up dinner but I got

> about three blocks away and had to turn around; I became so lightheaded

> if there hadn't been a roof on the car I would have floated off into

> space. I was weak, shaky, cold and disoriented off and on the rest of

> the night, and couldn't eat until very late in the evening even though

> I was hungry (I think--my body signals seem to be completely haywire).

> Until then I couldn't swallow solids and everything was tasteless. I

> was able to drink juice, so that's what I drank. This morning I've had

> a piece of siljans rye cracker with some peanut butter and honey, and a

> cup of chicken broth, and I feel like I need to eat more but don't know

> what to do.

>

> help?

>

> Lynn S.

[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone who's responded. This has shaken me to the core

because it goes completely against--or plays into, depending on how you

look at it--everything I believe about myself: I'm a glutton, hunger is

good (my mother pounded that into me--I should always be hungry because

if I was full it meant I ate too much), I'm so fat, food is too

important to me, blah blah blah. It leaves me not knowing where the

hell to even start.

Lynn S.

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http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

http://www.deanspeaksforme.com * http://www.knitting911.net

[Guest guest]

Lynn-

>Thanks to everyone who's responded. This has shaken me to the core

>because it goes completely against--or plays into, depending on how you

>look at it--everything I believe about myself: I'm a glutton, hunger is

>good (my mother pounded that into me--I should always be hungry because

>if I was full it meant I ate too much), I'm so fat, food is too

>important to me, blah blah blah. It leaves me not knowing where the

>hell to even start.

I'd really consider trying EFT for those emotional blocks and hangups, and

I should've been more clear about my supplement recommendations: if you're

experiencing something like anorexia in your reluctance to eat, they may

dramatically help solve the problem. I really urge you to give them a shot.

-

[Guest guest]

what's the etiquette here on a non-WAPF books?

There's a whole section in Mastering Leptin on no appetite and

anorexia. He talks about how when hormonal signaling is way off from

leptin resistance, even obese people have bodies that

are " hibernating " as if in a starvation situation.

Have you been tested for diabetes? that sounds like a blood sugar

crash.

Also, have you seen " Potatoes not Prozac " by DesMaisons? She talks

about how the feelings you describe are physically based, from low

levels of neurotransmitters. IOW erratic meals can actually generate

the feelings of hopelessness etc. I found that to be true and it's

how I quit bingeing after 40 years. " emotional " work when the food is

off, works as well as trying to stick a fridge magnet to a tree. You

can keep trying but....

Connie

--- In , Lynn Siprelle <lynn@s...>

wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who's responded. This has shaken me to the core

> because it goes completely against--or plays into, depending on how

you

> look at it--everything I believe about myself: I'm a glutton,

hunger is

> good (my mother pounded that into me--I should always be hungry

because

> if I was full it meant I ate too much), I'm so fat, food is too

> important to me, blah blah blah. It leaves me not knowing where the

> hell to even start.

>

> Lynn S.

[Guest guest]

Lynn, my dear, this sounds like diabetes. Have you had your blood sugar

metabolism checked recently? I'm worried about you!

Christie

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[Guest guest]

Christie-

>Lynn, my dear, this sounds like diabetes. Have you had your blood sugar

>metabolism checked recently? I'm worried about you!

Is diabetes sometimes accompanied by a complete unwillingness to eat? If

so she should certainly get tested, but the proper remedy would be the

same: change her diet, try some supplements, and avoid her doctor's advice

like the plague.

-

[Guest guest]

> Lynn, my dear, this sounds like diabetes. Have you had your blood

> sugar metabolism checked recently? I'm worried about you!

Yeah, after all the research I've done, talking with you guys, talking

with my dr on the phone and my uncle the ER doc (and having had

gestational diabetes during preg #2) I'm coming to that conclusion

rapidly myself. Insomnia, my appetite problems, nightmares, really bad

anxiety, exhaustion, a recurring infection in my outer ears...I've been

worried about this for a while.

!@#%^!!. This is like the last thing I need.

As it happens I'm having a fasting cholesterol test on Friday anyway (I

know, I know, but it keeps the cardiologist happy), so I called in

yesterday and got them to add a fasting glucose to it. I'm refocusing

on my old alcoholism mantra, " don't let yourself get Hungry Angry

Lonely Tired " (HALT) and I'm sitting here not long after rising eating

some cottage cheese. Regular old store cottage cheese, but hey. I can

eat it, and usually I don't eat until very late in the morning.

Yesterday I ate an ice cream bar because I couldn't get anything else

down me and it got my appetite going again. I know a lot of folks here

don't approve of several small meals, but it seems to be the only way I

can eat right now. Last night I ate my dinner in two parts, half at 7

and half again at 10. It's the only way I could eat it.

This whole borderline anorexia thing--you have no idea how freaked out

I am by that. I have never not had an appetite ever in my life.

L

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http://www.deanspeaksforme.com * http://www.knitting911.net

[Guest guest]

> As it happens I'm having a fasting cholesterol test on Friday

anyway (I

> know, I know, but it keeps the cardiologist happy), so I called in

> yesterday and got them to add a fasting glucose to it. I'm

refocusing

> on my old alcoholism mantra, " don't let yourself get Hungry Angry

> Lonely Tired " (HALT) and I'm sitting here not long after rising

eating

> some cottage cheese. Regular old store cottage cheese, but hey. I

can

> eat it, and usually I don't eat until very late in the morning.

Interesting that you have an alcohol connection.

Have you looked at Potatoes Not Prozac? If you have, and rejected it,

please excuse the following.

Dr. DesMaisons got started on her research after she noticed that the

two groups in her mental health practice - hard-core drinkers with

multiple DUIs, and middle-aged overweight women - ate the same way.

Missed or late breakfast, erratic meals, inadequate protein, overmuch

carbs or junk food.

So she went back to school to find out about what she was seeing. The

working premise is the underlying biochemistry is what causes both,

and it can be healed by diet. The biochemistry is: volatile blood

sugar (from the diabetic research), serotonin (depression research),

beta-endorphin (addiction research). this also explains how

alcoholics can quit drinking but still not feel good - because they

haven't healed the underlying biochemistry.

> I know a lot of folks here

> don't approve of several small meals, but it seems to be the only

way I

> can eat right now.

that's a function of your glucose system not working optimally. It

can be fixed, don't freak please! I didn't get diabetic - fixed my

eating just in time, I always think - but I see diabetics all the

time getting better and losing weight just by changing meal

composition and timing.

Connie

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

IMHO, it sounds like hypoglycemic episodes. I used to feel that way

around lunchtime when I used to eat boxed cereal for breakfast. The

only difference was, with me, I would eat practically anything when I

got hungry. (In my job, I get to eat in the cafeteria gratis, so I

don't have to deal with preparing something when I'm starving.)

Now that my breakfast is eggs cooked in butter, turkey bacon, milk,

and coffee, I don't get that way anymore. I used to have a piece of

toast, too, but I tend to get hungrier earlier when I do that. Now I

get hungry by lunchtime, but not ravenous. Not shaky or spacey or

hot/cold.

I understand that hypoglycemia can be a precursor to diabetes, which

some of my ancestors had.

I read recently that the Irish, during the potato famine, were slow

to accept donations of grain. They considered it cattle feed, and

grain didn't keep them feeling full as long as potatoes did.

So (having some Scots-Irish background, as well as others) I've been

experimenting with really minimizing grain foods, while allowing

moderate amounts of potatoes. I really don't seem to get as hungry

as fast with some potatoes in a meal, compared to if I had some bread

or pasta in a meal.

Bottom line, knowing I have some diabetic ancestors, and knowing I

feel better longer with less grain foods, and more protein/fat

(especially fat), that's what I try to eat. If I feel like I want to

keep eating (mouth hunger?), then I scarf more salad or raw

fruits/veggies or soup.

Please keep us posted on your test results.

--- In , Lynn Siprelle <lynn@s...>

wrote:

> OK you guys I am more confused than ever and at the brink of what

would

> appear to be anorexia.

>

> I am hungry but can't eat. Nothing sounds good. I forget to eat. I

> weigh 250 frickin pounds (5' 5 " )and have had food issues most of my

> life; if you had told me 10 years ago that I would *ever* forget to

eat

> or not want to eat I'd have told you you were crazy. But here I am.

>

> Yesterday I was driving with my daughters to pick up dinner but I

got

> about three blocks away and had to turn around; I became so

lightheaded

> if there hadn't been a roof on the car I would have floated off

into

> space. I was weak, shaky, cold and disoriented off and on the rest

of

> the night, and couldn't eat until very late in the evening even

though

> I was hungry (I think--my body signals seem to be completely

haywire).

> Until then I couldn't swallow solids and everything was tasteless.

I

> was able to drink juice, so that's what I drank. This morning I've

had

> a piece of siljans rye cracker with some peanut butter and honey,

and a

> cup of chicken broth, and I feel like I need to eat more but don't

know

> what to do.

>

> help?

>

> Lynn S.

>

> ------

> Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

> http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

> http://www.deanspeaksforme.com * http://www.knitting911.net

[Guest guest]

I could talk to you tomorrow Ian. Just saw the message. Are you available?From: tenchantre@...To: bird mites Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:52:12 PMSubject: really need helpIs anyone at all available to talk on the phone tonight? Please have mercy. Ian------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi Ian

Good talking to you on the phone .

I hope you are better . God is a very present help in times of trouble . His

Mercy endures forever

Ian the peroxide mix kills things fast . I used it 19 day top of head to toe &

left on till my next shower , Frito used it for 31 days straight , it cured her

lesions & cured all my cuts & bumps . Then I soaked in the tub with 1 cup Arm &

Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent , the Powdered version contains sodium

carbonate , the liquid version of Arm & Hammer Laundry Detergent does not

contain sodium carbonate says the tech support at Arm & Hammer when I called

them .Sodium carbonate is simalar to borax which is sodium perborate.

Here is the post I learned it from

http://www.earthclinic.com/Pets/dog_mange_cure.html

The mix:

2 tblspns borax (20 mule team Borax laundry booster

16 oz peroxide (3%)

32 oz water.

mix it , and the borax nuetralizes the peroxide, it is painless & the is no fizz

or bruning from this mix & it is cheap

If they are deep ones I use

8tblspns borax (20 mule team Borax laundry booster

8 oz peroxide (3%)

8 oz water.

From: Doe <doe1769@...>

Subj: FW: Fw: Borax

Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:55:34 -0800 (PST)

Size: 16k

Fw: Borax

Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 2:50:18

From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@...>

<bird mites >

I have a reason for posting this, that will come.

For now, there is good info here. I have used this on myself and is what healed

my first two craters of simmering hell on my arms way back when. I will remind

you those lesions were on the order of 7cm long and 5 cm wide. Substitute human

for dog. There is a great explanation of the usefulness of H202, vinegar, and

borax.

The actions of Borax can also be applied to the environment. This will also tell

you on how Borax works to kill and also addresses toxicity issues. Also,

remember, H202 is a penetrant and very effective.

Frito

(END OF REPASTED POST)

Ian the peroxide is a penetrate & causes the borax to go deep into the skin . .

& anything else you mix with it , it is very effective.

The 2 tbls coconut oil in the tub makes a shield that stops the bug from biting

& crawling . Every little bit helps.

Sleeping on an air matress helped more the anything , I mist the air matress

with 2 tbls cococnut oil & 48 oz of warm water. It stops bug movement , I do the

cieling too. It is not messy & rinses right off easily & never goes rancid.

The air matress I clean daily . I deflate & soak in 1 cup Arm & Hammer Powdered

Laundry Detergent in a 5 gal bucket & rinse in the shower & reiinflate w/ a hair

dryer in 90 seconds . No pillow , I use an old shirt I wash daily , no blanket I

use a space heater , it costs 10 cents per hr to run , it is cheaper than

laundring a blanket .

I mist or soak everyting w/ 2 tbls coconut oil & 48 oz of warm water , it stops

all bugs instantly , I repeat as needed . .

God bless you Ian ,

Bill

For God so loved the world He gave His only begotton Son , that whosoever would

believe on Him would have everlasting life & never die .

------------------------------On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:52 PM EST

tenchantre@... wrote:>>Is anyone at all available to talk on the phone

tonight?> Please have mercy. >Ian

[Guest guest]

Oh ian

You are in the usa arent you?

Im uk

But if u wanted to talk id give u my number

But not sure how much it would cost

U are not alone

Just feels like that justnow

Hang inthere

Very best wishes from me.

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On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 17:52 PST tenchantre@... wrote:

>

>Is anyone at all available to talk on the phone tonight?

> Please have mercy.

>Ian