RE: OT: Chris's Job :)

[Guest guest]

>I'm a recruiter and career coach. Surfing the web for jobs is only

>slightly more useful than buying a newspaper for the want ads -

>doesn't get you anywhere if you don't apply. Better than surfing is

>networking - 65-80% of all jobs are obtained by referral and

>introduction. 5% through recruiters and the remaining 15-30% from

>websites, newspapers, etc. So apportion your job search time the

>same way. Network!!!

>

>The best way to find a job is to decide where you want to work and

>what you want to do. Decide where geographically you want to do it

>and find the companies in that geography that pay people to do it.

>Then network your way to the hiring manager at the companies you

>have targeted. Who do you know or can get to know who can introduce

>you to the hiring manager? Get them to introduce you or at least

>get your resume into the hiring manager's hands.

>

I was hoping someone would chime in with something positive to help

escape his concrete hell. Good advice, Connie. Very proactive

approach you offer. Hopefully, those in need of new careers (y'all know

who you are) will take it. I guess it is worth noting that people with

certain skill sets may be in such demand that a good resume is all it

takes to get hired. I am thinking engineers, nurses, and other career

paths like these.

Deanna

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In a message dated 2/22/05 6:45:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

vslk@... writes:

> Just wondering...Is this what you have listed under the

" objective "

> section of your resume?

____

Yeah. LOL.

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

[Guest guest]

there are other opportunities for a sharp person on the ball that doesn't

require a lot of formal schooling or years of training...

Think of the second oldest profession... trading... just a matter of figuring

out what other people want and what you have and seeing how to make a match of

some sorts.

Now days with the internet, geezes!, you can trade with people almost anywhere.

Its a matter of evaluating what you have or have access to, and then thinking

outside your own head to see what other people consider valuable and worthwhile.

One persons trash is another's treasure, ,,think beyond the words of this truism

and get the meaning. YOUR knowledge acquired in WHATEVER may seem trite and

meaningless to you , and perhaps it is sub par in your immediate surroundings,

but in another context or a different geography/social/economic location, your

'trite' info may be a Godsend and just the missing part for someone else's

success.

By osmosis and just living in a developed (?) country, and speaking English, you

have acquired plenty of skills that other in less developed locations are

needing to be successful.

Searching out simple markets locally for over seas producers and being the

middle person is amazingly simple. You give them the address where you want them

to send goods, and let them figure out how to clear customs, deal with shipping,

etc. For more profit, figure these things out for them. For even greater

profit, go there and pick it up from them directly.

With the internet, communication is a snap and inexpensive. You can send written

words, pictures, even sounds. Yeah we all kinda know this, but its a matter of

applying this knowledge in a productive way.

There are so many opportunities around us to make a GREAT living and we usually

settle for a job of some kind instead of applying ourselves just a little bit

outside the box. Although there are a lot of regulations in this country, there

are many many agencies to help you start a business and even provide a grant to

do so, or expertise.

My favorite is find a couple of investors, not that hard these days with

millions of next door millionaires everywhere...(the lady next door may have

squirreled away a boat full of money and yet still drives a Chevrolet.) An easy

thing is just go around door to door and ask people if they would like to get

out of their home. Find out what they need for money, and you may be surprised

to find 3 or 4 people out every hundred that need to get rid of their homes and

be willing to do so considerably below market value. Go back to the investors

you found and do a limited partnership to buy the homes you found.

If that sounds too daunting, then just get assignable agreements from the

homeowners to buy their home for the agreed upon price, CONTINGENT on final

approval/inspections of whomever you appoint. Then go to your local real estate

investor group and wholesale the contract for $4,000-$10,000 profit to YOU,

without having to use your credit, or any of your money...just a little time

going around door to door to any neighborhood asking if they need to sell.

Mostly " no's " but one out of every 25 or so WILL need to sell. remember to let

the numbers work for you...it won't be EVERY 25 homes, (although it could be).

Even if you only saw 25 homes a day, and looking every day of the month you only

found ONE deal, that's still $60,000-$120,000 a year. ONE deal a month. And if

you saw 25 people per day, or 750 a month, I assure you the numbers will be more

than one deal.

No license required, no credit required, no cash required, ,,just some shoe

leather. I can send you copies of contracts to use if you wish, but all you

really need is the home address, the owners name, and the sales price and a

date....and the clause that its assignable and contingent on final approval and

inspection before closing. Not that complicated huh?

:-)

You could even do this " part time " while you work at your regular job to keep

food in your belly while it works out. No pressure.

Embarrassed to see people " cold " , then pick a neighborhood and mail them each a

hand written letter asking if they would like to sell and to call you if they

would. MAKE SURE you have a decent answering machine. Make sure its HAND

written, and hand addressed, to be sure the people open the mail to see what it

is. If they seem to be asking a lot of money for the home, remember that you

are not obligated to buy it. Be polite and thank them for the opportunity. Many

times they will reduce the price after a few days. If not, big deal, move on to

the next. Always show the price and address to the investors. They may have

other ideas that may still work even if the home isn't discounted from market

price. You are just the " finder'...don't make other peoples decisions for them,

just present the opportunities to the investors and let them decide.

This DOES work, and gives a nice income if you work the simple plan as outlined.

It's clean, it's neat, it's lucrative, it's easy, doesn't take a degree or

intensive schooling, it helps people, what else ya want?

:-)

Re: OT: Chris's Job

>I'm a recruiter and career coach. Surfing the web for jobs is only

>slightly more useful than buying a newspaper for the want ads -

>doesn't get you anywhere if you don't apply. Better than surfing is

>networking - 65-80% of all jobs are obtained by referral and

>introduction. 5% through recruiters and the remaining 15-30% from

>websites, newspapers, etc. So apportion your job search time the

>same way. Network!!!

>

>The best way to find a job is to decide where you want to work and

>what you want to do. Decide where geographically you want to do it

>and find the companies in that geography that pay people to do it.

>Then network your way to the hiring manager at the companies you

>have targeted. Who do you know or can get to know who can introduce

>you to the hiring manager? Get them to introduce you or at least

>get your resume into the hiring manager's hands.

>

I was hoping someone would chime in with something positive to help

escape his concrete hell. Good advice, Connie. Very proactive

approach you offer. Hopefully, those in need of new careers (y'all know

who you are) will take it. I guess it is worth noting that people with

certain skill sets may be in such demand that a good resume is all it

takes to get hired. I am thinking engineers, nurses, and other career

paths like these.

Deanna

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In a message dated 2/23/05 12:09:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Idol@... writes:

> After that description of hell on earth, I'm thinking that you should be

> doing lines of coke, crystal meth, PCP, whatever it takes to dispel that

> apathy long enough for you to get a new job! The pain and suffering

you're

> going to go through in the future aren't worth whatever they're paying you!

_____

Yeah, but at least when yesterday another guy was grinding one of the forms

and I didn't realize it, when I looked up and noticed I was enveloped in a

thick haze of concrete dust I couldn't see well through, I grabbed a dust mask!

I

opened the overhead door too (duh) to let it air out but the supervisor

walked through a minute later and shut it. It's cold, and they don't like to

waste

the money on heat :-P

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

[Guest guest]

Chris-

>Partly the apathy that the job as induced in me, partly because I'm not very

>good at looking for jobs, and partly because I've been pursuing a particular

>job that looks good but is taking a very long time to jump through all the

>hoops to get.

After that description of hell on earth, I'm thinking that you should be

doing lines of coke, crystal meth, PCP, whatever it takes to dispel that

apathy long enough for you to get a new job! The pain and suffering you're

going to go through in the future aren't worth whatever they're paying you!

-

[Guest guest]

-

>Probably better to work at Mickey D's for $8 an hour

Chemical exposure-wise, Mikey D's is probably no bargain either, though I'm

sure it's not a patch on Chris's current from-hell job.

-

[Guest guest]

> >Partly the apathy that the job as induced in me, partly

> because I'm not very

> >good at looking for jobs, and partly because I've been

> pursuing a particular

> >job that looks good but is taking a very long time to jump

> through all the

> >hoops to get.

>

> After that description of hell on earth, I'm thinking that

> you should be

> doing lines of coke, crystal meth, PCP, whatever it takes to

> dispel that

> apathy long enough for you to get a new job! The pain and

> suffering you're

> going to go through in the future aren't worth whatever

> they're paying you!

I've tried to stay neutral on this issue because I think that is

learning a ton from working with the guys he's working with and, in general,

I love construction work and its implications, but for this particular job

being exposed to the heavy chemical load that he's getting every day I must

say that I'm in complete agreement with . Meth is the construction drug

of choice, btw, so there should be plenty around. LOL.

Ron

[Guest guest]

> Yeah, but at least when yesterday another guy was grinding

> one of the forms

> and I didn't realize it, when I looked up and noticed I was

> enveloped in a

> thick haze of concrete dust I couldn't see well through, I

> grabbed a dust mask! I

> opened the overhead door too (duh) to let it air out but the

> supervisor

> walked through a minute later and shut it. It's cold, and

> they don't like to waste

> the money on heat :-P

This reminds me of the one job that I had that I'm pretty sure did overt

damage to my body (rather than slow cumulative damage).

For about 6 months I worked in a small kitchen cabinet shop that made

cultured marble countertops. I don't know if this is still true, but back

in the mid-80's all of those cheap, crappy countertops that you could buy at

Home Depot and are in every apartment in America had to be made individually

by hand. There was no way to fully automate the process. As part of the

concrete like mix that formed the body of the countertop they used a

" lightener " that consisted of microscopic tiny glass bubbles that appeared

to be a powder. When you dug a scoop of the stuff out of the bag you would

get a cloud of particles suspended in the air they were so light.

Apparently they were similar to asbestos in that they were razor sharp and

once in your lung tissue they wouldn't come out.

So because I was the only guy in the shop who had an eye for quality I ended

up being the one who took the completed tops when they came out of the mold

and finished them off. A big part of the job consisted of grinding off the

excess material on the bottom of the counter and drilling the faucet holes.

As you can imagine I spent my day in clouds of dust. I wore a mask almost

all of the time, but truth be told I don't know how much good it did and I

didn't wear it all of the time.

To this day I have air exchange problems. Long bouts of aerobic exercise

are difficult for me as I seem to have long term oxygen uptake issues and

the longer I go the more oxygen debt I accumulate. I do very well with

anaerobic workouts, so it's not that exercise itself is the problem. Of

course I doubt that smoking for 15 years helped much, either. Yeesh. The

sh** we do to our bodies. And the abuse they can take before they give out

completely....

Ron

[Guest guest]

Great post, Connie. I sent it to my daughter who just graduated from

college.

Ron

> I'm a recruiter and career coach. Surfing the web for jobs is only

> slightly more useful than buying a newspaper for the want ads -

> doesn't get you anywhere if you don't apply. Better than surfing is

> networking - 65-80% of all jobs are obtained by referral and

> introduction. 5% through recruiters and the remaining 15-30% from

> websites, newspapers, etc. So apportion your job search time the

> same way. Network!!!

>

>

{snip}

[Guest guest]

Ron-

>I've tried to stay neutral on this issue because I think that is

>learning a ton from working with the guys he's working with

I'm not so sure. It sounds to me like is acquiring a rather debased

view of humanity.

-

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In a message dated 2/24/05 11:00:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, rbjr@...

writes:

> As part of the

> concrete like mix that formed the body of the countertop they used a

> " lightener " that consisted of microscopic tiny glass bubbles that appeared

> to be a powder. When you dug a scoop of the stuff out of the bag you would

> get a cloud of particles suspended in the air they were so light.

> Apparently they were similar to asbestos in that they were razor sharp and

> once in your lung tissue they wouldn't come out.

____

I've heard that silica is similar. (I know that wool is, hook-shaped, and I

worked small amounts of time in a carding mill for a while at a living history

museum. I'd often not be able to breath after this and the grist mill in the

same day for the rest of the night.) Silica is used in concrete. The person

carrying bags up to the mixer is supposed to wear a mask. Actually, I think

a respirator, but they just had me wear a mask once. Of course, the bags are

full of holes and it spills all over the place and gets in the air for

everyone else to breath.

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

[Guest guest]

Ron wrote:

> >I've tried to stay neutral on this issue because I think that is

> >learning a ton from working with the guys he's working with

___

Hi Ron,

I thought I saved the other email in which you stated this to respond to, but

I can't find it.

I do learn a bit, but this isn't really a worthwhile experience in any way.

My company is not run like yours was. Our company has a lot of politics, is

poorly managed, and has a lot of lack of communication and the idea at various

levels that it's better to keep quiet than to alert higher up management about

problems. The feeling in my shop is that they'll try to blame whatever

happens on us, so why bother. When levels of management see a problem, like we

aren't getting our rebar cages made right, they'll say something about it but

not

follow through to make sure the problem is fixed for good at that point, so

we get problems resurfacing.

An example of the sheer idiocy at this place from today. For the seven

months I've been there and under the two different lead men I've been under,

I've

never heard anything other than that you do NOT ever strip any step bigger than

a seven-foot (wide) six rise (a 7-6) the day after you pour it, because they

take a little bit longer to cure and they also have to be significantly more

cured before it's safe to strip them, or they can break. Even in the *summer*

when the steps cured much faster than they're curing now, we would never strip

big steps the next day, and they always gave us an extra day.

We poured a 10-6 yesterday, which is a massive step weighing in at 6200

pounds. I walked in this morning and saw another 10-6 on the schedule. I said

something to the effect that the scheduler must have gone mad, or not realized

that the 24th of February immediately follows the 23rd. The lead said he

wouldn't strip it under any condition; they could break it themselves. Later in

the

day the supervisor told us we HAD to strip it. The two other guys started

stripping it in front of the production manager and the supervisor. The

production manager HAD to know we couldn't strip the step, but he just walked

away,

and the supervisor left too before they lifted it out of the form.

Surprise, surprise, the corner of the step cracked off when they'd barely got

it up. I went over and looked at it and it was *very* green! How could

anyone look at that step and without being a total idiot not know it was too

early

to strip it?

Turns out that the scheduler told the supervisor not to strip it if it looked

really green, but the supervisor didn't tell us that, and then the scheduler

asked the lead why he stripped it, as he should have known better, as if the

supervisor and the production manager also shouldn't have known better.

Now that they were in such a rush to get it today instead of tomorrow, they

won't have it until Monday. And they wasted $300 of steel and $100 of labor in

the trash step and can't earn the $3000 they would have gotten for it. And

of course WE have to build another one, pour another one, brush another one,

strip another one, and then clean it all up.

A couple months ago there were times when I was spending hours doing about

nothing like everyone in the shop because we had no cement and were waiting for

the delivery. There were 7 workdays in a row where this or some other reason

caused us to do nothing at work for 1-2.5 hours every single day.

Similar deal a couple weeks ago when the supervisor left sand in the mixer

that froze over night and they had to spent a while trying to get it out.

If I'm learning anything, it's how NOT to run a business. That and how to

cope mentally with being surrounded by bitter people who hate their job and take

it out on everyone else.

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

[Guest guest]

Hi

Yes, yes! That was brilliant! This is very much the way a part of the

world works! Perhaps the majority of the world. You are experiencing it

first hand.

The company that I described previously was just one of many that I worked

for. They were THE BEST. From management on down everything was designed

to get the job done properly and quickly. It's what made it so thrilling to

work for them and to realize that I was actually good enough to keep up and

be a part of and contributor to something that beautifully run.

On the other hand, most of the companies I worked for were more like what

you are describing below. I swear I worked for a group that built every

form twice. Each time something was wrong. We would have to tear them down

and re-build them. I couldn't stand it after a month and found another job

with a better company. One of the more fascinating jobs I did was building

a science building for a big drug company. The forming company was actually

pretty good, but the drug company was a nightmare. They couldn't make up

their minds what they wanted and there were a constant stream of change

orders requiring us to, you got it, tear down and rebuild the forms. And

they had to pay for each change order but didn't care. Amazing.

But I learned so much about what works and what doesn't from my experiences.

As for the guys you are working with, well, that's more exposure to a

particular reality. They are teaching you things every day that you will

learn nowhere else. How to be, how not to be, why people are the way they

are, how to change who you are (or not), ad infinitum. They are blowing

apart your models for humanity and forcing you to reform them. Sounds like

you are not enjoying the journey, so to speak. The info is all there for

you to absorb during your time in that place. Eventually you will move on,

but you will never forget what you have experienced. And I suggest to you

that not all of it will be bad.

The real problem, and the reason I recommended that you leave, is because

you are unhealthy and are doing serious damage to your body given your

specific working conditions. I was still robustly healthy when I was doing

concrete forming but my body broke down during those following years. A

combination of improper eating and constant low level chemical exposure, I

suspect. You are grossly overexposing your already compromised body to

multiple chemical insults. This may harm you permanently.

Ron

> I do learn a bit, but this isn't really a worthwhile

> experience in any way.

> My company is not run like yours was. Our company has a lot

> of politics, is

> poorly managed, and has a lot of lack of communication and

> the idea at various

> levels that it's better to keep quiet than to alert higher up

> management about

> problems. The feeling in my shop is that they'll try to

> blame whatever

> happens on us, so why bother. When levels of management see

> a problem, like we

> aren't getting our rebar cages made right, they'll say

> something about it but not

> follow through to make sure the problem is fixed for good at

> that point, so

> we get problems resurfacing.

>

> An example of the sheer idiocy at this place from today. For

> the seven

> months I've been there and under the two different lead men

> I've been under, I've

> never heard anything other than that you do NOT ever strip

> any step bigger than

> a seven-foot (wide) six rise (a 7-6) the day after you pour

> it, because they

> take a little bit longer to cure and they also have to be

> significantly more

> cured before it's safe to strip them, or they can break.

> Even in the *summer*

> when the steps cured much faster than they're curing now, we

> would never strip

> big steps the next day, and they always gave us an extra day.

>

> We poured a 10-6 yesterday, which is a massive step weighing

> in at 6200

> pounds. I walked in this morning and saw another 10-6 on the

> schedule. I said

> something to the effect that the scheduler must have gone

> mad, or not realized

> that the 24th of February immediately follows the 23rd. The

> lead said he

> wouldn't strip it under any condition; they could break it

> themselves. Later in the

> day the supervisor told us we HAD to strip it. The two other

> guys started

> stripping it in front of the production manager and the

> supervisor. The

> production manager HAD to know we couldn't strip the step,

> but he just walked away,

> and the supervisor left too before they lifted it out of the form.

>

> Surprise, surprise, the corner of the step cracked off when

> they'd barely got

> it up. I went over and looked at it and it was *very* green!

> How could

> anyone look at that step and without being a total idiot not

> know it was too early

> to strip it?

>

> Turns out that the scheduler told the supervisor not to strip

> it if it looked

> really green, but the supervisor didn't tell us that, and

> then the scheduler

> asked the lead why he stripped it, as he should have known

> better, as if the

> supervisor and the production manager also shouldn't have

> known better.

>

> Now that they were in such a rush to get it today instead of

> tomorrow, they

> won't have it until Monday. And they wasted $300 of steel

> and $100 of labor in

> the trash step and can't earn the $3000 they would have

> gotten for it. And

> of course WE have to build another one, pour another one,

> brush another one,

> strip another one, and then clean it all up.

>

> A couple months ago there were times when I was spending

> hours doing about

> nothing like everyone in the shop because we had no cement

> and were waiting for

> the delivery. There were 7 workdays in a row where this or

> some other reason

> caused us to do nothing at work for 1-2.5 hours every single day.

>

> Similar deal a couple weeks ago when the supervisor left sand

> in the mixer

> that froze over night and they had to spent a while trying to

> get it out.

>

> If I'm learning anything, it's how NOT to run a business.

> That and how to

> cope mentally with being surrounded by bitter people who hate

> their job and take

> it out on everyone else.

>

> Chris

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> >I've tried to stay neutral on this issue because I think

> that is

> >learning a ton from working with the guys he's working with

>

> I'm not so sure. It sounds to me like is acquiring a

> rather debased

> view of humanity.

Boy, we could have a fun chat about this. I wish I had time to play.

I will just say that what is actually doing is _experiencing_

humanity. You could argue that there are far more people on this earth like

the guys he works with than there are who are like you and me. Because we

choose to isolate ourselves from those kind of people we don't include them

in our models of how the world works. Or we call them names and dismiss

them. is getting to experience a part of humanity first hand. The

conclusions he draws and how he chooses to react to the things he gets to

see everyday will determine whether he debases himself or not.

I spent 8 years working with those same guys. I learned from them. I

didn't like everything I learned. I am not debased. Neither is my view of

humanity. It is much larger than it was before I had that experience.

All I'm going to say on that subject. For now at least.

Ron

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/25/2005 11:05:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,

rbjr@... writes:

You could argue that there are far more people on this earth like

the guys he works with than there are who are like you and me

____

Sheesh, I was hoping everyone would respond in shock and reassure me that

the rest of the world wasn't like this place. All the time spent in college I

forgot about all the people I grew up with in a small town who thought that

abolishing slavery was the dumbest thing this country ever did. I was in

college for the last six years, and this past summer was essentially my

reintroduction back into the " real world " for the first time in my adult life.

I

don't like the real world. I preferred college.

I think maybe people who live in cities are more sane? Maybe I could move

to a city?

Chris

[Guest guest]

>

>I will just say that what is actually doing is _experiencing_

>humanity. You could argue that there are far more people on this earth like

>the guys he works with than there are who are like you and me. Because we

>choose to isolate ourselves from those kind of people we don't include them

>in our models of how the world works. Or we call them names and dismiss

>them. is getting to experience a part of humanity first hand. The

>conclusions he draws and how he chooses to react to the things he gets to

>see everyday will determine whether he debases himself or not.

>

>I spent 8 years working with those same guys. I learned from them. I

>didn't like everything I learned. I am not debased. Neither is my view of

>humanity. It is much larger than it was before I had that experience.

You have SO nailed this, Ron!

People like to diss white working-class males, without knowing many.

And they like to assume that everyone is like them. I remember

somebody in Ann Arbor in 1980 telling me that Reagan must have stolen

the election, because he didn't know anyone who had voted for Reagan.

To which I said, " Rather small circle of acquaintances you have

there. "

Sure, these guys are jerks. They're also struggling, making the best

of the cards they were dealt, trying to feed their families....kinda

heroic, really. They'll develop, or they won't, and Chris' problem

is taking care of not worrying about them.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/25/2005 10:18:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

hl@... writes:

With all due respect, if you are a college graduate, then why are you

pouring concrete? Do you have a decent employment environment? Maybe

it is location. You may consider moving to a more populated place for

opportunities.

___

Well, yeah. There's nothing out here.

The reason I took the job was because I got fired from my waitering job

(where I worked much less and made about the same money) for reasons I don't

really understand, and I needed a job fast and took the very first thing I came

across. It was the only place I looked and they were willing to hire me

almost immediately. Also, I was thinking it would be better to have a

full-time

job where my hours and pay were guaranteed, and I was thinking it would be

easier to do physical labor so I didn't have to deal with mental stress, both

of

which proved to be entirely wrong in hindsight.

Chris

[Guest guest]

At 06:02 PM 2/25/05 EST, you wrote:

>I think maybe people who live in cities are more sane? Maybe I could move

>to a city?

>

>Chris

Depends. How would you look dressed as a Klingon?

Just wonderin', since I can't get to agree.

MFJ

If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/25/2005 10:23:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,

bberg@... writes:

He's actually doing pretty well for a history major.

____

The alumni fund people called me the other day and said that it was great

that I had a job, because a lot of other people she's called didn't have a job!

I could work within my field, if I wanted to take a $3/hr pay cut...

Chris

[Guest guest]

Ron-

>I will just say that what is actually doing is _experiencing_

>humanity.

He's experiencing one part of humanity, but he seems to be drawing partly

incorrect conclusions from some of that experience.

-

[Guest guest]

Quoting Deanna <hl@...>:

> >I was in college for the last six years, and this past summer was

> essentially my

> >reintroduction back into the " real world " for the first time in my adult

> life. I

> >don't like the real world. I preferred college.

> >Chris

> >

> With all due respect, if you are a college graduate, then why are you

> pouring concrete? Do you have a decent employment environment? Maybe

> it is location. You may consider moving to a more populated place for

> opportunities.

He's actually doing pretty well for a history major.

--

Berg

bberg@...

[Guest guest]

>I was in college for the last six years, and this past summer was essentially

my

>reintroduction back into the " real world " for the first time in my adult life.

I

>don't like the real world. I preferred college.

>

>I think maybe people who live in cities are more sane? Maybe I could move

>to a city?

>

>Chris

>

With all due respect, if you are a college graduate, then why are you

pouring concrete? Do you have a decent employment environment? Maybe

it is location. You may consider moving to a more populated place for

opportunities.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

>>>

>>>

>>With all due respect, if you are a college graduate, then why are you

>>pouring concrete? Do you have a decent employment environment? Maybe

>>it is location. You may consider moving to a more populated place for

>>opportunities.

>>

>>

>

>He's actually doing pretty well for a history major.

>

>--

> Berg

>

So, , are you saying it is his choice to suffer? He's made his

bed, now he can lie in it? Oh, I have to say, choosing careers is a

matter of market influence, or should be to the pragmatist who wants a

return on the college investment. Else I'd have studied drama.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Quoting Deanna <hl@...>:

> >He's actually doing pretty well for a history major.

> >

> >

> So, , are you saying it is his choice to suffer? He's made his

> bed, now he can lie in it?

I'm saying that his college degree probably isn't providing him with the

abundance of lucrative career options implied by your question.

....And giving him a hard time, of course. That's what (male) friends are

for, right?

--

Berg

bberg@...

[Guest guest]

>...And giving him a hard time, of course. That's what (male) friends are

>for, right?

>

>--

> Berg

>

Righto! My tactics have proved ineffective in getting his assoleo in a

new career. May yours have better success!

Cheers!

Deanna

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