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In a message dated 2/21/05 7:34:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

t.l.jeanne@... writes:

> is there a reason you're staying with this job, which sounds awful?

____

Partly the apathy that the job as induced in me, partly because I'm not very

good at looking for jobs, and partly because I've been pursuing a particular

job that looks good but is taking a very long time to jump through all the

hoops to get.

____

I'

> m sure there are aspects about the job that you like,

____

I wouldn't be so sure of that. The main benefit is that it is a foretaste of

what eternal suffering would be like, so should then motivate one to be a

virtuous person. LOL.

____

but the sheer amount of

> chemicals and particulate matter you're exposed to, and the backbreaking

> labor,

____

Well I haven't broken my back yet, but I did manage over a couple months to

acquire some sort of pre-carpal tunnel overuse injury in my hands that makes my

ring finger involuntary snap up when I try to make a fist, and makes my hands

go tingly really easy. The lead guy in our shop managed to break his finger,

and chip his patella on two separate occasions in the last month, too.

_____

> seems like enough of a reason to quit and work an office-type job, or

> retail, anything that's not so hazardous to your health, since you clearly

> care about your health being a member of NN. Just curious.

_____

Yeah, although that's not the worst of it. I'd rather work somewhere where

someone would get fired for advocating the idea that " the negroes " should be

shot while they're still young and before they become a sore on society, where

the guy who gets carried by his neck off the ground a quarter mile to the

supervisor's office doesn't get an equal punishment as the perpetrator, where

people don't throw rocks at me, where the smaller guy's aren't picked on by

everyone else including having their glasses broken in their locker, having

someone

else's lock getting put on their locker, having their lunch stolen and hidden

in the freezer, or having dirty underpants hung from their truck's antenna--

not to mention getting chased down and covered in duct tape (a plan that failed

because it was poor quality duct tape and not sticky enough.) I could also

handle being around people who DON'T think it's hilarious when a girl gets

anally raped by an entire football team in her early teens, who DON'T think that

black people have a substantial proportion of neandertal genes, who DO think

that victims of the tsunami deserve our help despite the fact that " they all

hate America, " (and therefore don't pronounce, " I say, let the bodies drop! " at

news of the death toll) and who DON'T think that the " funnest " thing about war

is getting to kill people and get away with it as well as be justified in the

eyes of God, all sentiments I'm sure I'd be able to find more easily at

another job.

Typical discussion at work, this one from last week:

Other guy: " If my wife ever got like ____'s wife, I'd shoot her and bury her

in the back yard. "

Me: " Wouldn't it be easier to divorce her? "

Supervisor: " Yeah, but then you still gotta pay the bitch. "

Other guy: " You really think it would be easier to divorce her? (some

reasons why not.):

Me: " But killing her would be immoral. "

Other guy: " Morals? (shocked face) Who has morals? "

Me: " I think I'm the only one here! "

Other guy: " I think so too. And that will be your downfall. "

I get lectures about my naivete all the time. I got flabbergasted looks when

I advocated the idea that having sex with a woman who is married would be

immoral because it could hurt her family.

Well anyway, as you can see the labor and the oil are only a small portion of

the reasons I'd like to find another job. LOL!

Being here is like being Alice in Wonderland, only no sense of awe or

intrigue, just confusion. Up is down, in is out, left is right, black is white,

the

sun sets in the morning, and whatever goes down must come up at this place.

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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you need to stop now.

Really.

Just .. stop.

Do not reply. Just. Stop.

At 08:15 PM 2/21/05 EST, you wrote:

>Well I haven't broken my back yet, but I did manage over a couple months to

>acquire some sort of pre-carpal tunnel overuse injury in my hands that

makes my

>ring finger involuntary snap up when I try to make a fist, and makes my

hands

>go tingly really easy. The lead guy in our shop managed to break his

finger,

>and chip his patella on two separate occasions in the last month, too.

>_____

>

>> seems like enough of a reason to quit and work an office-type job, or

>> retail, anything that's not so hazardous to your health, since you clearly

>> care about your health being a member of NN. Just curious.

>_____

>

>Yeah, although that's not the worst of it. I'd rather work somewhere where

>someone would get fired for advocating the idea that " the negroes " should be

>shot while they're still young and before they become a sore on society,

where

>the guy who gets carried by his neck off the ground a quarter mile to the

>supervisor's office doesn't get an equal punishment as the perpetrator,

where

>people don't throw rocks at me, where the smaller guy's aren't picked on by

>everyone else including having their glasses broken in their locker,

having someone

>else's lock getting put on their locker, having their lunch stolen and

hidden

>in the freezer, or having dirty underpants hung from their truck's antenna--

>not to mention getting chased down and covered in duct tape (a plan that

failed

>because it was poor quality duct tape and not sticky enough.) I could

also

>handle being around people who DON'T think it's hilarious when a girl gets

>anally raped by an entire football team in her early teens, who DON'T

think that

>black people have a substantial proportion of neandertal genes, who DO think

>that victims of the tsunami deserve our help despite the fact that " they all

>hate America, " (and therefore don't pronounce, " I say, let the bodies

drop! " at

>news of the death toll) and who DON'T think that the " funnest " thing about

war

>is getting to kill people and get away with it as well as be justified in

the

>eyes of God, all sentiments I'm sure I'd be able to find more easily at

>another job.

>

>Typical discussion at work, this one from last week:

>Other guy: " If my wife ever got like ____'s wife, I'd shoot her and bury her

>in the back yard. "

>Me: " Wouldn't it be easier to divorce her? "

>Supervisor: " Yeah, but then you still gotta pay the bitch. "

>Other guy: " You really think it would be easier to divorce her? (some

>reasons why not.):

>Me: " But killing her would be immoral. "

>Other guy: " Morals? (shocked face) Who has morals? "

>Me: " I think I'm the only one here! "

>Other guy: " I think so too. And that will be your downfall. "

>

>I get lectures about my naivete all the time. I got flabbergasted looks

when

>I advocated the idea that having sex with a woman who is married would be

>immoral because it could hurt her family.

>

>Well anyway, as you can see the labor and the oil are only a small portion

of

>the reasons I'd like to find another job. LOL!

>

>Being here is like being Alice in Wonderland, only no sense of awe or

>intrigue, just confusion. Up is down, in is out, left is right, black is

white, the

>sun sets in the morning, and whatever goes down must come up at this place.

>

>Chris

MFJ

If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

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>Typical discussion at work, this one from last week:

>Other guy: " If my wife ever got like ____'s wife, I'd shoot her and bury her

>in the back yard. "

>Me: " Wouldn't it be easier to divorce her? "

>Supervisor: " Yeah, but then you still gotta pay the bitch. "

Perhaps they've already forgotten that tried that and it

cost him a whole lot more than a divorce would have.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Canfield

-God grades on the cross, not on the curve. -Anonymous

3:36: " He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that

believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. "

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>>>Perhaps they've already forgotten that tried that and it cost

him a whole lot more than a divorce would have.<<<

Yeah, but people like those that works with, think they're invincible and

they wouldn't get caught and have to pay.

Cheers,

Tas'.

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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:15:17 EST

ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote:

It has been a long time since I had a job like that, and it was

construction related as well.

Probably better to work at Mickey D's for $8 an hour and get a side job

to make up the difference than to stay in that environment, unless of

course you think that is where you belong, at least for the moment.

" I feel sorry for all those health food

people. Someday, they will be lying in a hospital bed,

dying of nothing. "

Redd Foxx

=================================================

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He will take... He will take... He will take... He will take...

... he will take... He will take... "

(I 8:11-17)

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> you need to stop now.

>

>Really.

>

>Just .. stop.

>

>Do not reply. Just. Stop.

Maybe we should call his boss, anonymously, and say he is married to a gay guy

who is a terrorist and has iffy Mob connections? Then he won't have to make the

decision ...

Heidi Jean

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Heidi: I can say with certainty now that I know you, that your

comments reflect your inimitable style!

Chris: On a more serious note, I just wonder what is in it for you to

stay in such an all encompassing toxic work environment?

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:35:16 -0800, Heidi Schuppenhauer

<heidis@...> wrote:

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>

> > you need to stop now.

> >

> >Really.

> >

> >Just .. stop.

> >

> >Do not reply. Just. Stop.

>

> Maybe we should call his boss, anonymously, and say he is married to a gay guy

who is a terrorist and has iffy Mob connections? Then he won't have to make the

decision ...

>

> Heidi Jean

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> > you need to stop now.

> >

> >Really.

> >

> >Just .. stop.

> >

> >Do not reply. Just. Stop.

>

> Maybe we should call his boss, anonymously, and say he is married to a gay guy

> who is a terrorist and has iffy Mob connections? Then he won't have to make

> the decision ...

I think perhaps was actually upset with what was saying and was

asking him to stop posting this kind of thing to the list...

A good example: " I could also handle being around people who DON'T think it's

hilarious when a girl gets ..... by an entire football team in her early teens "

I might suggest that perhaps the appropriateness of content such as this could

be considered more closely before it's posted to a public forum like NN..

regards, Bruce

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Hi

If you aren't able to escape that job any time soon, here's a quote

from St. of the Cross that might be helpful:

" If you do not find love in your community, put it there "

God bless,

> In a message dated 2/21/05 7:34:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> t.l.jeanne@g... writes:

>

> > is there a reason you're staying with this job, which

sounds awful?

> ____

>

> Partly the apathy that the job as induced in me, partly because

I'm not very

> good at looking for jobs, and partly because I've been pursuing a

particular

> job that looks good but is taking a very long time to jump through

all the

> hoops to get.

> ____

> I'

> > m sure there are aspects about the job that you like,

> ____

>

> I wouldn't be so sure of that. The main benefit is that it is a

foretaste of

> what eternal suffering would be like, so should then motivate one

to be a

> virtuous person. LOL.

> ____

>

> but the sheer amount of

> > chemicals and particulate matter you're exposed to, and the

backbreaking

> > labor,

> ____

>

> Well I haven't broken my back yet, but I did manage over a couple

months to

> acquire some sort of pre-carpal tunnel overuse injury in my hands

that makes my

> ring finger involuntary snap up when I try to make a fist, and

makes my hands

> go tingly really easy. The lead guy in our shop managed to break

his finger,

> and chip his patella on two separate occasions in the last month,

too.

> _____

>

> > seems like enough of a reason to quit and work an office-type

job, or

> > retail, anything that's not so hazardous to your health, since

you clearly

> > care about your health being a member of NN. Just curious.

> _____

>

> Yeah, although that's not the worst of it. I'd rather work

somewhere where

> someone would get fired for advocating the idea that " the negroes "

should be

> shot while they're still young and before they become a sore on

society, where

> the guy who gets carried by his neck off the ground a quarter mile

to the

> supervisor's office doesn't get an equal punishment as the

perpetrator, where

> people don't throw rocks at me, where the smaller guy's aren't

picked on by

> everyone else including having their glasses broken in their

locker, having someone

> else's lock getting put on their locker, having their lunch stolen

and hidden

> in the freezer, or having dirty underpants hung from their truck's

antenna--

> not to mention getting chased down and covered in duct tape (a

plan that failed

> because it was poor quality duct tape and not sticky enough.) I

could also

> handle being around people who DON'T think it's hilarious when a

girl gets

> anally raped by an entire football team in her early teens, who

DON'T think that

> black people have a substantial proportion of neandertal genes,

who DO think

> that victims of the tsunami deserve our help despite the fact

that " they all

> hate America, " (and therefore don't pronounce, " I say, let the

bodies drop! " at

> news of the death toll) and who DON'T think that the " funnest "

thing about war

> is getting to kill people and get away with it as well as be

justified in the

> eyes of God, all sentiments I'm sure I'd be able to find more

easily at

> another job.

>

> Typical discussion at work, this one from last week:

> Other guy: " If my wife ever got like ____'s wife, I'd shoot her

and bury her

> in the back yard. "

> Me: " Wouldn't it be easier to divorce her? "

> Supervisor: " Yeah, but then you still gotta pay the bitch. "

> Other guy: " You really think it would be easier to divorce her?

(some

> reasons why not.):

> Me: " But killing her would be immoral. "

> Other guy: " Morals? (shocked face) Who has morals? "

> Me: " I think I'm the only one here! "

> Other guy: " I think so too. And that will be your downfall. "

>

> I get lectures about my naivete all the time. I got flabbergasted

looks when

> I advocated the idea that having sex with a woman who is married

would be

> immoral because it could hurt her family.

>

> Well anyway, as you can see the labor and the oil are only a small

portion of

> the reasons I'd like to find another job. LOL!

>

> Being here is like being Alice in Wonderland, only no sense of awe

or

> intrigue, just confusion. Up is down, in is out, left is right,

black is white, the

> sun sets in the morning, and whatever goes down must come up at

this place.

>

> Chris

>

>

> ____

>

> " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion?

It is a

> heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings,

birds, and

> animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the

sight of them

> make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion,

> which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of

> the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they

pray

> ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those

> who do them wrong. "

>

> --Saint Isaac the Syrian

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At 09:35 PM 2/21/05 -0800, you wrote:

>

>

>> you need to stop now.

>>

>>Really.

>>

>>Just .. stop.

>>

>>Do not reply. Just. Stop.

>

>Maybe we should call his boss, anonymously, and say he is married to a gay

guy who is a terrorist and has iffy Mob connections? Then he won't have to

make the decision ...

>

>

>Heidi Jean

And he milks adulterous elephants.

MFJ

If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

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At 11:47 PM 2/21/05 -0700, you wrote:

>I think perhaps was actually upset with what was saying and was

>asking him to stop posting this kind of thing to the list...

>

>A good example: " I could also handle being around people who DON'T think it's

>hilarious when a girl gets ..... by an entire football team in her early

teens "

>

>I might suggest that perhaps the appropriateness of content such as this

could

>be considered more closely before it's posted to a public forum like NN..

>

>regards, Bruce

Actually, it was sheer depression. I find it horrible that a perfectly

nice guy like would be stuck in such a situation, regardless of our

opinions on elephant milking.

MFJ

If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

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Hi

I loved your post. Took me right back to my years of heavy construction. I

remember all of the lunchtime discussions about what it was like " in the

joint " . Needless to say, I was unable to contribute and was considered a

little bit strange. I was not abused to the degree that you are describing

below, though, although I never set myself up for it. I pretty much kept my

mouth shut and worked my a** off.

One of the great things about that time was that I got to work on one of the

best concrete forming crews in the nation. There were 16 of us and each

week two got laid off and two new people were hired. It ensured that only

the best carpenters were on the crew. The work was killer hard and we

literally ran for 8 hours a day but we were paid very well and we did

fantastic work. It was the most exhausting and exhilarating job I ever had.

I worked with them for a year and a half until I finally quit out of boredom

and started my own business. I can drive through Atlanta even now and see

the fruits of my labors. Very satisfying. So even though the guys were all

rednecks, they were very talented rednecks and I learned a lot from them. I

suspect that you are learning quite a bit from your co-workers even though

they seem to be from another planet.

Ron

> but the sheer amount of

> > chemicals and particulate matter you're exposed to, and the

> backbreaking

> > labor,

> ____

>

> Well I haven't broken my back yet, but I did manage over a

> couple months to

> acquire some sort of pre-carpal tunnel overuse injury in my

> hands that makes my

> ring finger involuntary snap up when I try to make a fist,

> and makes my hands

> go tingly really easy. The lead guy in our shop managed to

> break his finger,

> and chip his patella on two separate occasions in the last

> month, too.

> _____

>

> > seems like enough of a reason to quit and work an

> office-type job, or

> > retail, anything that's not so hazardous to your health,

> since you clearly

> > care about your health being a member of NN. Just curious.

> _____

>

> Yeah, although that's not the worst of it. I'd rather work

> somewhere where

> someone would get fired for advocating the idea that " the

> negroes " should be

> shot while they're still young and before they become a sore

> on society, where

> the guy who gets carried by his neck off the ground a quarter

> mile to the

> supervisor's office doesn't get an equal punishment as the

> perpetrator, where

> people don't throw rocks at me, where the smaller guy's

> aren't picked on by

> everyone else including having their glasses broken in their

> locker, having someone

> else's lock getting put on their locker, having their lunch

> stolen and hidden

> in the freezer, or having dirty underpants hung from their

> truck's antenna--

> not to mention getting chased down and covered in duct tape

> (a plan that failed

> because it was poor quality duct tape and not sticky enough.)

> I could also

> handle being around people who DON'T think it's hilarious

> when a girl gets

> anally raped by an entire football team in her early teens,

> who DON'T think that

> black people have a substantial proportion of neandertal

> genes, who DO think

> that victims of the tsunami deserve our help despite the fact

> that " they all

> hate America, " (and therefore don't pronounce, " I say, let

> the bodies drop! " at

> news of the death toll) and who DON'T think that the

> " funnest " thing about war

> is getting to kill people and get away with it as well as be

> justified in the

> eyes of God, all sentiments I'm sure I'd be able to find more

> easily at

> another job.

>

> Typical discussion at work, this one from last week:

> Other guy: " If my wife ever got like ____'s wife, I'd shoot

> her and bury her

> in the back yard. "

> Me: " Wouldn't it be easier to divorce her? "

> Supervisor: " Yeah, but then you still gotta pay the bitch. "

> Other guy: " You really think it would be easier to divorce

> her? (some

> reasons why not.):

> Me: " But killing her would be immoral. "

> Other guy: " Morals? (shocked face) Who has morals? "

> Me: " I think I'm the only one here! "

> Other guy: " I think so too. And that will be your downfall. "

>

> I get lectures about my naivete all the time. I got

> flabbergasted looks when

> I advocated the idea that having sex with a woman who is

> married would be

> immoral because it could hurt her family.

>

> Well anyway, as you can see the labor and the oil are only a

> small portion of

> the reasons I'd like to find another job. LOL!

>

> Being here is like being Alice in Wonderland, only no sense of awe or

> intrigue, just confusion. Up is down, in is out, left is

> right, black is white, the

> sun sets in the morning, and whatever goes down must come up

> at this place.

>

> Chris

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>

>Actually, it was sheer depression. I find it horrible that a perfectly

>nice guy like would be stuck in such a situation, regardless of our

>opinions on elephant milking.

>

>

>

>MFJ

>If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

>

is not stuck. He is perfectly capable of finding other work.

Let's make it our mission to stay on his butt until he finds a better

job. Come on, get motivated! Get yourself searching the web for

work. Remember: You can do anything you put your mind to! And if you

don't, WE might apply for you <weg>. Ow, where might we find him work?

Deanna

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In a message dated 2/22/05 6:26:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,

cathydawson@... writes:

> If you aren't able to escape that job any time soon, here's a quote

> from St. of the Cross that might be helpful:

>

> " If you do not find love in your community, put it there "

___

Well, that's basically what I do. I'm afraid, though, that smiling politely

and saying " thank you " when I get a rock thrown at me just gets more rocks

thrown at me. However, I'm unfailingly polite to people who maintain a near

constant bitter sarcasm, and occasionally a polite greeting to people who treat

me

and most people like crap edges out a polite and friendly response.

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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Ah, I was totally confused about your post. Sorry!

Tom

F. Jewett wrote:

>

> Actually, it was sheer depression. I find it horrible that a perfectly

> nice guy like would be stuck in such a situation, regardless of our

> opinions on elephant milking.

>

>

>

> MFJ

> If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

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At 12:08 PM 2/22/05 -0600, you wrote:

>

>Ah, I was totally confused about your post. Sorry!

>

>Tom

No problem. I was also very very tired and rather loopy at the time,

hence the original use of very small words. My brain was not capable of

processing anything more than one syllable. ;)

MFJ

If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

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At 09:51 AM 2/22/05 -0600, you wrote:

>Let's make it our mission to stay on his butt until he finds a better

>job. Come on, get motivated! Get yourself searching the web for

>work. Remember: You can do anything you put your mind to! And if you

>don't, WE might apply for you <weg>. Ow, where might we find him work?

>

>

>Deanna

I don't know that I have the ability to take on yet another project.

I thought the current one was getting him to post pictures of his legs.

Whassup with that?

MFJ

If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

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In a message dated 2/22/05 5:57:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

heidis@... writes:

> >Heidi: I can say with certainty now that I know you, that your

> >comments reflect your inimitable style!

>

> Hee hee ... and you are still talking to me! Amazing! ;-)

____

It wasn't until I read Heidi's response here that I realized that the names

before each colon were the addressee of the comment that followed.

I had initially read the email as if it were a play, and the name's before

the colons were the characters whose lines the comments following the colon

were. And I was confused, because I thought it was supposed to be a

conversation

between me and Heidi and it made no sense.

LOL!

Chris

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" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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>I don't know that I have the ability to take on yet another project.

> I thought the current one was getting him to post pictures of his legs.

> Whassup with that?

>

>

>

>MFJ

>If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

>

His legs are loaded with toxic chemicals! I don't think List God will

allow unWAPpy leg shots in the photo sections. :-D We must prioritize

- get a job first, see dem legs when they've been detoxed right

and proper.

Deanna

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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:21:26 -0500

" F. Jewett " <mfjewett@...> wrote:

> I don't know that I have the ability to take on yet another project.

> I thought the current one was getting him to post pictures of his legs.

> Whassup with that?

Uh oh, I sense another bodypart thread on the horizon ;-)

" I feel sorry for all those health food

people. Someday, they will be lying in a hospital bed,

dying of nothing. "

Redd Foxx

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He will take... He will take... He will take... He will take...

... he will take... He will take... "

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Re: OT: Chris's Job :)

Yeah, although that's not the worst of it. I'd rather work somewhere...

<snip> .... where the guy who gets carried by his neck off the ground a quarter

mile to the supervisor's office doesn't get an equal punishment as the

perpetrator, where people don't throw rocks at me, where the smaller guy's

aren't picked on by

everyone else including having their glasses broken in their locker, having

someone else's lock getting put on their locker, having their lunch stolen and

hidden in the freezer, or having dirty underpants hung from their truck's

antenna-- not to mention getting chased down and covered in duct tape <snip>

**************

Just wondering...Is this what you have listed under the " objective "

section of your resume? ;)

Vivian

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> is not stuck. He is perfectly capable of finding other

work.

> Let's make it our mission to stay on his butt until he finds a

better

> job. Come on, get motivated! Get yourself searching the

web for

> work. Remember: You can do anything you put your mind to! And if

you

> don't, WE might apply for you <weg>. Ow, where might we find him

work?

>

>

> Deanna

>

I'm a recruiter and career coach. Surfing the web for jobs is only

slightly more useful than buying a newspaper for the want ads -

doesn't get you anywhere if you don't apply. Better than surfing is

networking - 65-80% of all jobs are obtained by referral and

introduction. 5% through recruiters and the remaining 15-30% from

websites, newspapers, etc. So apportion your job search time the

same way. Network!!!

The best way to find a job is to decide where you want to work and

what you want to do. Decide where geographically you want to do it

and find the companies in that geography that pay people to do it.

Then network your way to the hiring manager at the companies you

have targeted. Who do you know or can get to know who can introduce

you to the hiring manager? Get them to introduce you or at least

get your resume into the hiring manager's hands.

A resume is an advertisement designed to get you an interview and

give the interviewer space to write notes (2 pages, last 10 years of

experience, skills you have and want to do again, followed by proof

that you have them). It is NOT your entire life on two pieces of

paper and it should be rewritten for each company - highlighting the

skills that are needed at that particular company.

A cover letter proves you did your homework on the company. It will

mention the problem the company is having (no company hires without

having a problem - why spend money on an employee you do not need?)

and how you can solve it. " I am the salesman that can help your

bottom line given your need to expand your market and the

opportunity you have recently developed to provide service with your

new widget. I have sold widgets successfully for Company X,

expanding their market by Y% in Z months. "

How would you really like to earn a living? You are quite verbally

intelligent, articulate and well spoken - skills you are not using

building concrete things. You mention a job that is taking a long

time to come through. Could you temp in that field? The

secretaries know the hiring managers.

Connie H.

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At 02:15 PM 2/22/05 -0800, you wrote:

>Uh oh, I sense another bodypart thread on the horizon ;-)

>

>

Unless I get you dressed up like Dorn first. ;)

MFJ

If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

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