New poll for

[Guest guest]

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the

group:

If your carb intake is 35-50%, please

choose the best description of its

categorial composition. See

http://tinyurl.com/68x86 for a

clarification of the categories.

o high-carb seeds

o high-carb roots

o high-carb fruits

o isolated sugars

o high-carb seeds and high-carb roots

o high-carb seeds and high-carb fruits

o high-carb seeds and isolated sugars

o high-carb roots and high-carb fruits

o high-carb roots and isolated sugars

o high-carb fruits and isolated sugars

o high-carb roots, high-carb fruits, and isolated sugars

o high-carb seeds, high-carb fruits, and isolated sugars

o high-carb seeds, high-carb roots, and isolated sugars

o high-carb seeds, high-carb roots, and high-carb fruits

o all four categories

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Kim-

>A non processed carb, such as

>my own wheat that I grind and soak myself is hardly equal to white process

>flour.

Depends on the metabolism. I'm sorry if this offends you, but your wheat,

even soaked, would cause me so many problems that from a practical

perspective, it would be indistinguishable from store-bought flour. Grains

of any stripe are simply a no-no for me.

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[Guest guest]

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Why isn't dairy on the list?? It's a pretty major group.

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In the last clarificational email, I mentioned that I wasn't

attempting to make an exhaustive list of carb sources. I was just

trying to cover most high-carb sources. Dairy isn't a group so much

as a single food, milk, and it's not a high-carb food, especially not

in fermented forms, so it didn't seem relevant enough to further

complicate the poll with this one food. Except for people in the

very low-carb range, the carb content of milk is irrelevant, and there

isn't even a poll about composition for this range because it goes

without saying virtually all medium- and high- carb foods are excluded

in such a diet. I hope this makes sense; I thought about the poll

very carefully so it would be meaningful and offer insight about carb

consumption among NT types.

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay

[Guest guest]

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Excuse me, but carbs are not created equal. A non processed carb, such as

my own wheat that I grind and soak myself is hardly equal to white process

flour. A poll that asks how many of your calories come from processed

carbs and unprocessed carbs would be useful. This is a politician style poll.

Bright Blessings,

Kim

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I'm well aware of all these subtleties regarding carbs, but there are

a number of reasons why I didn't attempt to address the processing

distinction you mentioned.

First of all, this poll is for this email group specifically, and we

all follow NT-influenced diets, so it's not likely there would be a

significant subset of us with a high level of junk flour in our diets.

I don't think the poll you suggest would be useful at all for this

group, although it would certainly be for the general population.

Crucially, your homemade NT-style flour is definitely *not* a

" non-processed carb " ! Grinding and soaking are pretty intense forms

of processing! The differences between your form of heavily

processed wheat and the more widely consumed junk flour forms of

heavily processed wheat have more to do with micronutritional quality

(mineral availability, fatty acid oxidation, vitamin-density, etc)

than carb metabolism. As pointed out, the carb content is the

same, and that's what the poll is about. With respect to the topic at

hand, carb intake, those carbs are created equal. The poll is not

about nutrient-density, optimal processing techniques, or the spectrum

of subtle issues in carb metabolism.

A poll is data collecting using informal language, and as with any

kind of data collecting using any of the sundry known techniques, from

electron microscopy and quantitative chemical analysis to asking

simple questions, the purpose is to obtain insight by isolating some

phenomenon as much as possible. I have thoughtfully chosen certain

variables to address, and others to ignore, in order to obtain insight

about a specific topic. The poll would become diluted and

excessively complicated if I attempted to address all the other

variables relating to carb intake, like glycemic indices, glycemic

loads, protein/carb ratios, timing of consumption, etc. Again, the

goal is to isolate something, not address every variable. I'm not

sure what you mean by " politician-style poll " beyond some kind of

diffuse and unsupported criticism of my poll, but I believe the poll's

construction reflects an understanding of the essential nature of the

phenomenon about which insight is sought and is quite sophisticated,

probably among the best possible for this topic in this context. If

you have any better ideas for a poll to answer the question I

attempted to answer, " who among NN members follows a low-carb diet? " ,

then please share your ideas. With your suggestion of an inquiry

into different forms of seed processing, you're off to a bad start,

since that's simply an entirely different question, and a somewhat

uninteresting one in this context.

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay