Weight management

[Guest guest]

Hi Texas Mom!

Wow it's always good to hear from you.

I agree with so much of what you have to say. I am glad that you

are teaching your daughter good habits at an early age. I have really

realized what my bad eating habits are due to my mood swings.

When I'm sad, I would eat the sweet stuff. I too had to reward myself

when I was doing good but in the long run I was just setting myself up

for disaster. But these are habits I grew up with, instilled by family

members. So I am glad that you are sharing with your daughter about

the positive things about food and eating.

Michele

[Guest guest]

Gosh all these nice compliments and positive messages coming my way

today. I hope I can get ego through my office door today to go

home! I think all of you are great too....okay....GROUP HUG!

> Hi Texas Mom!

>

> Wow it's always good to hear from you. I agree with so much of

what you

> have to say. I am glad that you are teaching your daughter good

habits

> at an early age. I have really realized what my bad eating habits

are

> due to my mood swings. When I'm sad, I would eat the sweet

stuff. I

> too had to reward myself when I was doing good but in the long run

I was

> just setting myself up for disaster. But these are habits I grew up

> with, instilled by family members. So I am glad that you are

sharing

> with your daughter about the positive things about food and eating.

>

> Michele

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Ann

Re: Fwd: [-NS] A List for Gluten Free Flours

>

>

> Ann, where are you getting your weight management material by Greg

? I'd be interested in going over it also.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello all!

When I was a raw vegan for about a year, I lost a lot of weight (more

than I wanted to...I even stopped ovulating) and got down to a

consistent 110 pounds (I am 5'5 " , 27 yo female).

I have been adding in animal products and over the last couple of

months added some gently cooked animal foods (beef and fish) as well

as a bit of sprouted bread. In the past month, my weight has jumped

up to about 120, which is probably healthier for me, though I don't

want it to keep going.

I was wondering how you all deal with the issue of weight

management....what foods keep you slim, which obviously cause weight

gain, which form of exercise you find is best for maintaining your

desired weight?

Thanks so much! I am somewhat new to the world of animal fats and

proteins and am a bit intimidated by the shift in thinking.

Blessings,

a

[Guest guest]

At 07:30 PM 9/29/2004, you wrote:

>Thanks so much! I am somewhat new to the world of animal fats and

>proteins and am a bit intimidated by the shift in thinking.

>

>Blessings,

>a

the big thing to remember is that fat doesn't make you fat: carbs do. once

you have that in perspective, you're good to go!

-katja

[Guest guest]

>

>the big thing to remember is that fat doesn't make you fat: carbs do. once

>you have that in perspective, you're good to go!

Yes, and remember, you're eating the right kinds of fat now. Actually,

eating NT is very filling and satisfying....... you tend to be satisfied

with less. The whole " eat all you want " mentality of the high-carb diets

won't work. No one sits down and scarfs a pound of cheese or a gallon of

raw milk while watching Letterman! It's kind of like the difference between

eating a pound of cheap chocolate or a piece of Godiva.

[Guest guest]

Hi a -

I too became very thin on a vegan diet years ago, in spite of eating

a lot of

food all day long. I was constantly hungry. I like this way much

better - I can

eat and be satisfied and do something else! I find that when I

concentrate on

nutrition, my appetite is more real. I get hungry, but I don't get

" the munchies. "

I've also found recently that an NN version of the Warrior Diet helps

my weight

remain stable. I eat raw fruits & vegetables and fresh juices during

the day,

and warm, nourishing, high-fat foods in the evening. I feel much

more

energetic doing this, and I like the idea of a daily detox.

Aven

--- In , " shawnalendzion "

<recon@q...>

wrote:

> Hello all!

>

> When I was a raw vegan for about a year, I lost a lot of weight

(more

> than I wanted to...I even stopped ovulating) and got down to a

> consistent 110 pounds (I am 5'5 " , 27 yo female).

>

> I have been adding in animal products and over the last couple of

> months added some gently cooked animal foods (beef and fish) as well

> as a bit of sprouted bread. In the past month, my weight has jumped

> up to about 120, which is probably healthier for me, though I don't

> want it to keep going.

>

> I was wondering how you all deal with the issue of weight

> management....what foods keep you slim, which obviously cause weight

> gain, which form of exercise you find is best for maintaining your

> desired weight?

>

> Thanks so much! I am somewhat new to the world of animal fats and

> proteins and am a bit intimidated by the shift in thinking.

>

> Blessings,

> a

[Guest guest]

> I too became very thin on a vegan diet years ago, in spite of eating

> a lot of

> food all day long. I was constantly hungry. I like this way much

> better - I can

> eat and be satisfied and do something else! I find that when I

> concentrate on

> nutrition, my appetite is more real. I get hungry, but I don't get

> " the munchies. "

> I've also found recently that an NN version of the Warrior Diet helps

> my weight

> remain stable. I eat raw fruits & vegetables and fresh juices during

> the day,

> and warm, nourishing, high-fat foods in the evening. I feel much

> more

> energetic doing this, and I like the idea of a daily detox.

>

> Aven

Just curious, how long have you been doing the Warrior Diet? Was it

easy for you to slide right into it or was it an adjustment? I maay

try it, since I seem to be hungrier in the evening anyway. I'm just

not sure I could handle only fruit and veggies during the day,

especially with nursing.

Dawn

[Guest guest]

What's the " NN " version of the warrior diet?.......I'm really out of it

are't I.....please be patient with me :-) .....and I thought I knew MUCH about

all this nutrition stuff.....kinda humbling....

--

Steve

[Guest guest]

> Just curious, how long have you been doing the Warrior Diet? Was it

> easy for you to slide right into it or was it an adjustment? I maay

> try it, since I seem to be hungrier in the evening anyway. I'm just

> not sure I could handle only fruit and veggies during the day,

> especially with nursing.

>

> Dawn

I've been doing it for a few weeks, and I think I'm adjusting

somewhat, so I

don't feel as hungry during the day as I did at first. Sometimes I

eat more

substantial food during the day, especially if I'm having lunch as a

social

thing. Otherwise we usually have dinner around 5:00 because I'm

really

hungry. But this is getting easier.

However, I would not recommend that a nursing mom do this. I really

think

you need more substantial nutrition throughout the day. Just my non-

professional, ex-nursing-mom opinion. I think your milk supply and

nutritional

value might be adversely affected.

Aven

[Guest guest]

>What's the " NN " version of the warrior diet?.......I'm really out of it

>are't I.....please be patient with me :-) .....and I thought I knew MUCH

about

>all this nutrition stuff.....kinda humbling....

>--

>Steve

For me, the " NN " part means I have good meat at dinner

and hash browns or whatever fried in coconut oil. Which

is actually pretty close to how I used to eat, except before

the meat was commercial and the oil was canola. Also I

don't used packaged foods much at all anymore (partly

because of gluten and partly because it's junk nutritionally

and partly because I'm becoming a food snob). During the

day I have fruits and vegies, which all are in whole form (not

canned etc.) and usually organic, homegrown if necessary.

Also I do kefir beer at night, and good wine! And kimchi,

day and night.

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

I usually figure I'm the one who hasn't heard of something.

I just used NN as short for " native nutrition, " and " The Warrior

Diet " by Uri Hofmekler (guessed at that spelling). He suggests

undereating during the day and overeating in the evening.

During the undereating phase, he suggests eating only fresh

fruits and vegetables and fresh juices, and some supplements.

So I'm just combining the nutritional principles of Weston Price

and Nourishing Traditions with that pattern of under- and then

over-eating. Although I wouldn't really call what I do in the

evening " overeating. " Even though I'm very hungry for supper,

I don't eat more than I used to. Then I have a snack later before

bed. But I seem to do fine on much less food this way. I think

a lot of what we experience as hunger is more of a body habit

than a real need for nourishment.

Aven

> What's the " NN " version of the warrior diet?.......I'm really out

of it

> are't I.....please be patient with me :-) .....and I thought I

knew MUCH about

> all this nutrition stuff.....kinda humbling....

> --

> Steve

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- dawnciano <dawnciano@...> wrote:

>> Just curious, how long have you been doing the

> Warrior Diet? Was it

> easy for you to slide right into it or was it an

> adjustment? I maay

> try it, since I seem to be hungrier in the evening

> anyway. I'm just

> not sure I could handle only fruit and veggies

> during the day,

> especially with nursing.

>

Hi Dawn

From my understanding, you can eat protein and fat

during the day, just no cooked carbs/starches.

Personally i find fruit makes me gain, so that leaves

me with salad, protein and fat. If I eat no fat or

protein, I get very cold and my fingers and lips go

blue in the mid-late afternoon. However, if I'm

eating a salad with meat and fat for lunch, enough to

stop me going blue, then I don't really feel I'm

fasting - it's just a normal lunch like I've always

had, followed by dinner.

The first time I tried the WD, it seemed to work well

for me - got me down to 112lbs for my wedding. NOw,

it just seems to make me gain weight. I think last

time I had a rigid schedule of supplements, which I've

become lax about. Seems like my weight is dependent

on pill-popping unfortunately. Right now, my largest

trousers are just too tight :-(

Jo

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--- phishin340@... wrote:

> What's the " NN " version of the warrior

> diet?.......I'm really out of it

> are't I.....please be patient with me :-) .....and

> I thought I knew MUCH about

> all this nutrition stuff.....kinda humbling....

> --

> Steve

>

Steve

BTVC = Breaking the Viscious Cycle, a book recommended

in a previous email of the thread

SCD = Specific Carb Diet, the plan recommended in BTVC

(but you wouldn't know from the thread that's what SCD

stood for, as it was mentioned in a thread months

ago!)

YMMV = Your mileage may vary - commonly used on

discussion boards

NN - native nutrition/Nourishing Traditions

PB = pepto bismol or peanut butter, depending on the

context. In recent threads, it's been pepto bismol

Jo

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--- Aven <twyllightmoon@...> wrote:

..

Although I wouldn't really call what I

> do in the

> evening " overeating. " Even though I'm very hungry

> for supper,

> I don't eat more than I used to. Then I have a

> snack later before

> bed. But I seem to do fine on much less food this

> way. I think

> a lot of what we experience as hunger is more of a

> body habit

> than a real need for nourishment.

Aven

That's what I did on the WD first time around - ate a

normal size dinner, after eating less during the day.

I figured that's why I lost weight. Right now though,

I just seem to stuff myself at night, and I am gaining

weight rapidly. So I think it's just a caloried

reduction success for me.

Jo

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In a message dated 9/30/04 6:33:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jopollack2001@... writes:

From my understanding, you can eat protein and fat

during the day, just no cooked carbs/starches.

____

~~~>Ori's not particularly keen on protein OR fat during the day, and he's

less fond of fat during the day. He suggests raw fruits and vegetables, and

lean protein only if needed.

I, on the other hand, modify the WD to include lots of coconut oil during the

day, and regular intervals of small protein servings (mostly raw eggs).

Chris

[Guest guest]

No one sits down and scarfs a pound of cheese or a gallon of

> raw milk while watching Letterman!

I can . Depends on how hungry i am. I have actually found weight

management a bit trickier on this diet, as have others i know. Adding raw

milk into the diet has made several women friends i have gain fat -- me too.

Unless you are a farm hand or out actually hunting and gathering you need to

watch your portion sizes. You need less of this food than you may be

accustomed to eating on a higher carb, less nutrient-dense diet. This is a

challenge for me as i like big meals and feeling full. I have been

retraining myself with good success by applying NT principles to a Weight

Watchers tracking system. I was very skeptical but can report it works. Of

course, this is to lose weight, not maintain. To get enough fat i have had

to pretty much eliminate grain from my diet, which makes me feel awesome

anyway. I have also applied Garden of Eating principles, which is, in a

nutshell, eat truckloads of veggies. I consume lots of chicken broths and

veggies and find that a satisfying combination. I have had to keep dairy

intake to a minimum and could probably do great without, i just like my

dairy farmer. A big key for me has been consuming coconut oil and/or coconut

milk or cream frequently.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

I gained weight after discovering NT principles and

adding milk and more meat to my diet. I think it was

probably because I didn't give up sugar and high-carb

foods completely at first. I think it took over a year of

really good nutrition to stop my craving for these

foods.

Also, I was in the habit of eating all day long, and

adding high-calorie foods to this eating pattern

meant I was eating a lot of calories. I've never been

able to eat a whole lot at one sitting. Now I'm retraining

my body to eat less often, and therefore less.

Aven

> No one sits down and scarfs a pound of cheese or a gallon o> > raw milk

while watching Letterman!

>

> I can . Depends on how hungry i am. I have actually found weight

> management a bit trickier on this diet, as have others i know. Adding raw

> milk into the diet has made several women friends i have gain fat -- me too.

>

> Unless you are a farm hand or out actually hunting and gathering you need

to

> watch your portion sizes. You need less of this food than you may be

> accustomed to eating on a higher carb, less nutrient-dense diet. This is a

> challenge for me as i like big meals and feeling full. I have been

> retraining myself with good success by applying NT principles to a Weight

> Watchers tracking system. I was very skeptical but can report it works. Of

> course, this is to lose weight, not maintain. To get enough fat i have had

> to pretty much eliminate grain from my diet, which makes me feel awesome

> anyway. I have also applied Garden of Eating principles, which is, in a

> nutshell, eat truckloads of veggies. I consume lots of chicken broths and

> veggies and find that a satisfying combination. I have had to keep dairy

> intake to a minimum and could probably do great without, i just like my

> dairy farmer. A big key for me has been consuming coconut oil and/or

coconut

> milk or cream frequently.

> Elaine

[Guest guest]

> > No one sits down and scarfs a pound of cheese or a gallon o> > raw

milk

> while watching Letterman!

> >

> > I can . Depends on how hungry i am. I have actually found weight

> > management a bit trickier on this diet, as have others i know.

Adding raw

> > milk into the diet has made several women friends i have gain fat

-- me too.

> >

> > Unless you are a farm hand or out actually hunting and gathering

you need

> to

> > watch your portion sizes. You need less of this food than you may be

> > accustomed to eating on a higher carb, less nutrient-dense diet.

This is a

> > challenge for me as i like big meals and feeling full. I have been

> > retraining myself with good success by applying NT principles to a

Weight

> > Watchers tracking system. I was very skeptical but can report it

works. Of

> > course, this is to lose weight, not maintain. To get enough fat i

have had

> > to pretty much eliminate grain from my diet, which makes me feel

awesome

> > anyway. I have also applied Garden of Eating principles, which is,

in a

> > nutshell, eat truckloads of veggies. I consume lots of chicken

broths and

> > veggies and find that a satisfying combination. I have had to keep

dairy

> > intake to a minimum and could probably do great without, i just

like my

> > dairy farmer. A big key for me has been consuming coconut oil and/or

> coconut

> > milk or cream frequently.

> > Elaine

[Guest guest]

I In the past, I have facilitated a weight management group which was based on a "healthy eating pyramid" with a base of fruits/veggies and the next level being grains/starches, and so forth. It was a 10 week program that involved topics such as label reading, portion sizes, exercise, emotional eating, food journaling, etc.

We had an exercise pysiologist, and a rec. therapist do presentations for the exercise and emotional eating topics. Pts would come to a 1hr group once a week for 10 weeks, they would also weigh in at this group. Participants were responsible for keeping a food journal, and we did not use any specific MR's or supps.

We did keep records of all of the weights and did statistical data at the end of each 10 week session. We typically found that the people who came to the groups more often had better success and more weight loss than those who didn't come as often.

Those are the basics, I'd be happy to answer any additional questions.

-Kara"kkoster@..." <kkoster@...> wrote:

If anybody has a non-surgical weight management program in place, I would appreciate some advice or direction as far as structuring, set-up, process, curriculum, etc.I have been to the certification in Adult Weight Management, but would like to hear the successful tips of others who have a weight management program in place and what makes it work while I am creating one for our practice. I am looking at infusing some LEARN materials into this practice as well.You can email me privately, kkoster@... or post to list! Thank you in advance for any advice or tips.Kasey Kosterbegin:vcardfn:Kasey Kostern:Koster;Kaseyorg:OKlahoma WEIGHT LOSS OPtionsadr;dom:Ste. C;;1230 SW 89th;Oklahoma City ;OK;73139email;internet:kkoster@...title:Dietitiantel;work:405-360-7100tel;fax:405-364-9112url:http://www.owlo.comversion:2.1end:vcard

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Kara:

What was the cost range for the program?

Re: weight management

I In the past, I have facilitated a weight management group which was based on a "healthy eating pyramid" with a base of fruits/veggies and the next level being grains/starches, and so forth. It was a 10 week program that involved topics such as label reading, portion sizes, exercise, emotional eating, food journaling, etc.

We had an exercise pysiologist, and a rec. therapist do presentations for the exercise and emotional eating topics. Pts would come to a 1hr group once a week for 10 weeks, they would also weigh in at this group. Participants were responsible for keeping a food journal, and we did not use any specific MR's or supps.

We did keep records of all of the weights and did statistical data at the end of each 10 week session. We typically found that the people who came to the groups more often had better success and more weight loss than those who didn't come as often.

Those are the basics, I'd be happy to answer any additional questions.

-Kara"kkoster@..." <kkoster@...> wrote:

If anybody has a non-surgical weight management program in place, I would appreciate some advice or direction as far as structuring, set-up, process, curriculum, etc.I have been to the certification in Adult Weight Management, but would like to hear the successful tips of others who have a weight management program in place and what makes it work while I am creating one for our practice. I am looking at infusing some LEARN materials into this practice as well.You can email me privately, kkoster@... or post to list! Thank you in advance for any advice or tips.Kasey Kosterbegin:vcardfn:Kasey Kostern:Koster;Kaseyorg:OKlahoma WEIGHT LOSS OPtionsadr;dom:Ste. C;;1230 SW 89th;Oklahoma City ;OK;73139email;internet:kkoster@...title:Dietitiantel;work:405-360-7100tel;fax:405-364-9112url:http://www.owlo.comversion:2.1end:vcard

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