Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 do cows get ketosis ? In human beings, too much protein can result in acetone being released via the breath. when one of our cows had mastitis in one quarter, the milk had a 'metalic/ chemical' taste. -------------------------- In RawDairy , " labelleacres " wrote: > > My first reaction is to check what he is milking into and the jars > he's using to store the milk. If he's bought a used machine and not > done a good job cleaning it up it might explain it, ditto for jars, etc. > > Belinda > **** > > The last 2 times we got milk from him it tasted like moth balls (not > > that we've eaten moth balls, but you know what I mean I hope). We've > > talked to him and cannot figure out what the deal is. Any suggestions? > > Comments? We've been consuming real, fresh dairy for 3 years now from > > several different farms and have never run across this before. Any > > input would be welcomed. > > > > Thanks! > > Barbara P. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 ketosis smells like mthel ethel keytones sorta like nail polish remover Acetone is a much more poisonous substance and is highly flammable to boot....now if its moth balls thats different if a goat ate cedar it could cause that taste Gordon S. wrote: do cows get ketosis ? In human beings, too much protein can result in acetone being released via the breath. when one of our cows had mastitis in one quarter, the milk had a 'metalic/ chemical' taste. ------------ --------- ----- In RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com, "labelleacres" <bilherbs@.. .> wrote: > > My first reaction is to check what he is milking into and the jars > he's using to store the milk. If he's bought a used machine and not > done a good job cleaning it up it might explain it, ditto for jars, etc. > > Belinda > **** > > The last 2 times we got milk from him it tasted like moth balls (not > > that we've eaten moth balls, but you know what I mean I hope). We've > > talked to him and cannot figure out what the deal is. Any suggestions? > > Comments? We've been consuming real, fresh dairy for 3 years now from > > several different farms and have never run across this before. Any > > input would be welcomed. > > > > Thanks! > > Barbara P. > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.10/541 - Release Date: 11/20/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 I had milk that tasted like that 25 years ago. It was the plastic bucket I was using to milk into. Went to stainless/seamless and not more problems. Jessi LHR Manufacturing Setting The Standard for Portable Milking Machines http://www.milking-machines.com -----Original Message-----From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ]On Behalf Of KernSent: Monday, November 20, 2006 7:20 PMTo: RawDairy Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: Milk tastes like moth balls ; or is it acetone?ketosis smells like mthel ethel keytones sorta like nail polish remover Acetone is a much more poisonous substance and is highly flammable to boot....now if its moth balls thats different if a goat ate cedar it could cause that tasteGordon S. wrote: do cows get ketosis ?In human beings, too much protein can result in acetone being released via the breath. when one of our cows had mastitis in one quarter, the milk had a 'metalic/ chemical' taste.------------ --------- -----In RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com, "labelleacres" <bilherbs@.. .> wrote:>> My first reaction is to check what he is milking into and the jars> he's using to store the milk. If he's bought a used machine and not> done a good job cleaning it up it might explain it, ditto for jars, etc.> > Belinda> ****> > The last 2 times we got milk from him it tasted like moth balls (not > > that we've eaten moth balls, but you know what I mean I hope). We've > > talked to him and cannot figure out what the deal is. Any suggestions? > > Comments? We've been consuming real, fresh dairy for 3 years now from > > several different farms and have never run across this before. Any > > input would be welcomed.> > > > Thanks!> > Barbara P.> >> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.10/541 - Release Date: 11/20/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Ketosis is common in cows that are pushed to produce by feeding grain.It usually occurs shortly after calving. The cow is producing more milk than she can get out of her food so she is burning her fat. Her breath has the sam smell as the milk. It might be described as like moth balls. I would reduce the stress on her by not milking her out completely and cut back on the grain. you can buy ketosis medicine for cows.It is glucose with vitamins to give the cow a needed energy boost. michael --- " Gordon S. " wrote: > do cows get ketosis ? > > In human beings, too much protein can result in > acetone being > released via the breath. > > when one of our cows had mastitis in one quarter, > the milk had > a 'metalic/ chemical' taste. > -------------------------- > > > In RawDairy , " labelleacres " > wrote: > > > > My first reaction is to check what he is milking > into and the jars > > he's using to store the milk. If he's bought a > used machine and not > > done a good job cleaning it up it might explain > it, ditto for > jars, etc. > > > > Belinda > > **** > > > The last 2 times we got milk from him it tasted > like moth balls > (not > > > that we've eaten moth balls, but you know what I > mean I hope). > We've > > > talked to him and cannot figure out what the > deal is. Any > suggestions? > > > Comments? We've been consuming real, fresh > dairy for 3 years > now from > > > several different farms and have never run > across this before. > Any > > > input would be welcomed. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Barbara P. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Sponsored Link Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Assoc http://yahoo.degrees.info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Cows do get ketosis mostly after they calve while goats get it usually before they kid. In both cases it's usually going to be in animals that are too fat. Get a set of 'body condition scorecards' and learn how to do it on a regular basis to keep your animals in correct BC for stage of growth/gestation/lactation. Something stresses the cow out and she doesn't (or can't) eat enough to meet her nutritional needs so she starts mobilizing fat to meet those needs. The by product of fat being catabolized are those toxic ketone bodies. This damages the liver and 'fatty liver disease' results. This makes her feel awful so she doesn't want to eat and like a snake biting it's own tail she worsens. DHIR is helpful to detect subclinical ketosis. Anytime you have a cow (or goat!) with a significantly higher butterfat percentage than her herdmates (especially in the first 120 days of lactation) then chronic, subclinical ketosis is the likely cause. Usually this means if the herd average is about 3.8% and you have an individual up at +4.3% then you need to check ketone levels. I totally disagree with what you are saying about how to treat ketosis. A cow in ketosis needs to be fed more and more often to get her back into a positive nutritional balance. She may be acute enough to need something like glycerine or propylene glycol to get her back into balance. She has to be eating enough hay (or grass or whatever long stemmed fiber source you are using) to protect her rumen from acidosis, too. Donna Safehaven Nubians Dandridge, TN > > > > > > My first reaction is to check what he is milking > > into and the jars > > > he's using to store the milk. If he's bought a > > used machine and not > > > done a good job cleaning it up it might explain > > it, ditto for > > jars, etc. > > > > > > Belinda > > > **** > > > > The last 2 times we got milk from him it tasted > > like moth balls > > (not > > > > that we've eaten moth balls, but you know what I > > mean I hope). > > We've > > > > talked to him and cannot figure out what the > > deal is. Any > > suggestions? > > > > Comments? We've been consuming real, fresh > > dairy for 3 years > > now from > > > > several different farms and have never run > > across this before. > > Any > > > > input would be welcomed. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Barbara P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Sponsored Link > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr > MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Assoc > http://yahoo.degrees.info > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 I've seen ketosis at both dairies that I worked at. Both had different protocols and I liked neither. However, this is what they each did. 1. All cows (not heifers) would get something like glycerine or propylene glycol immediately after they calved if they showed ANY signs of ketosis. The easiest sign was the cow simply not moving or getting up. AT ALL. Secondly, ALL cows & heifers remained in a seperate barn until their first heat than the rest of the lactating herd and were given quality hay every day. Not very much (Very little, I'd always give them extra when I was working though) to help their rumens. Otherwise the herd had a 100% TMR diet while lactating. Except during nice weather, they were all allowed outside to pasture for about 2 hours a day. The dry cow group always had pasture access and their TMR. 2. His dry cows were on pasture. His lactating cows only left the barn to go to & from the milking barn. When a cow got ketosis, they did nothing and lost a cow every couple of months. Not sure if any of this helps, but it at least lets you know what goes on in commercial dairies. > > > > > > > > My first reaction is to check what he is milking > > > into and the jars > > > > he's using to store the milk. If he's bought a > > > used machine and not > > > > done a good job cleaning it up it might explain > > > it, ditto for > > > jars, etc. > > > > > > > > Belinda > > > > **** > > > > > The last 2 times we got milk from him it tasted > > > like moth balls > > > (not > > > > > that we've eaten moth balls, but you know what I > > > mean I hope). > > > We've > > > > > talked to him and cannot figure out what the > > > deal is. Any > > > suggestions? > > > > > Comments? We've been consuming real, fresh > > > dairy for 3 years > > > now from > > > > > several different farms and have never run > > > across this before. > > > Any > > > > > input would be welcomed. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > Barbara P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > Sponsored Link > > > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr > > MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Assoc > > http://yahoo.degrees.info > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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