Re: Milk tastes like moth balls ; or is it acetone?

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do cows get ketosis ?

In human beings, too much protein can result in acetone being

released via the breath.

when one of our cows had mastitis in one quarter, the milk had

a 'metalic/ chemical' taste.

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In RawDairy , " labelleacres " wrote:

>

> My first reaction is to check what he is milking into and the jars

> he's using to store the milk. If he's bought a used machine and not

> done a good job cleaning it up it might explain it, ditto for

jars, etc.

>

> Belinda

> ****

> > The last 2 times we got milk from him it tasted like moth balls

(not

> > that we've eaten moth balls, but you know what I mean I hope).

We've

> > talked to him and cannot figure out what the deal is. Any

suggestions?

> > Comments? We've been consuming real, fresh dairy for 3 years

now from

> > several different farms and have never run across this before.

Any

> > input would be welcomed.

> >

> > Thanks!

> > Barbara P.

> >

>

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ketosis smells like mthel ethel keytones sorta like nail polish

remover Acetone is a much more poisonous substance and is highly

flammable to boot....now if its moth balls thats different if a goat

ate cedar it could cause that taste

Gordon S. wrote:

do cows get ketosis ?

In human beings, too much protein can result in acetone being

released via the breath.

when one of our cows had mastitis in one quarter, the milk had

a 'metalic/ chemical' taste.

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s.com, "labelleacres" <bilherbs@.. .> wrote:

>

> My first reaction is to check what he is milking into and the jars

> he's using to store the milk. If he's bought a used machine and not

> done a good job cleaning it up it might explain it, ditto for

jars, etc.

>

> Belinda

> ****

> > The last 2 times we got milk from him it tasted like moth

balls

(not

> > that we've eaten moth balls, but you know what I mean I

hope).

We've

> > talked to him and cannot figure out what the deal is. Any

suggestions?

> > Comments? We've been consuming real, fresh dairy for 3 years

now from

> > several different farms and have never run across this

before.

Any

> > input would be welcomed.

> >

> > Thanks!

> > Barbara P.

> >

>

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I had milk that tasted like that 25 years ago. It was the plastic bucket I was using to milk into. Went to stainless/seamless and not more problems.

Jessi

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do cows get ketosis ?In human beings, too much protein can result in acetone being released via the breath. when one of our cows had mastitis in one quarter, the milk had a 'metalic/ chemical' taste.------------ --------- -----In RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com, "labelleacres" <bilherbs@.. .> wrote:>> My first reaction is to check what he is milking into and the jars> he's using to store the milk. If he's bought a used machine and not> done a good job cleaning it up it might explain it, ditto for jars, etc.> > Belinda> ****> > The last 2 times we got milk from him it tasted like moth balls (not > > that we've eaten moth balls, but you know what I mean I hope). We've > > talked to him and cannot figure out what the deal is. Any suggestions? > > Comments? We've been consuming real, fresh dairy for 3 years now from > > several different farms and have never run across this before. Any > > input would be welcomed.> > > > Thanks!> > Barbara P.> >>

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Ketosis is common in cows that are pushed to produce

by feeding grain.It usually occurs shortly after

calving. The cow is producing more milk than she can

get out of her food so she is burning her fat. Her

breath has the sam smell as the milk. It might be

described as like moth balls. I would reduce the

stress on her by not milking her out completely and

cut back on the grain. you can buy ketosis medicine

for cows.It is glucose with vitamins to give the cow a

needed energy boost.

michael

--- " Gordon S. " wrote:

> do cows get ketosis ?

>

> In human beings, too much protein can result in

> acetone being

> released via the breath.

>

> when one of our cows had mastitis in one quarter,

> the milk had

> a 'metalic/ chemical' taste.

> --------------------------

>

>

> In RawDairy , " labelleacres "

> wrote:

> >

> > My first reaction is to check what he is milking

> into and the jars

> > he's using to store the milk. If he's bought a

> used machine and not

> > done a good job cleaning it up it might explain

> it, ditto for

> jars, etc.

> >

> > Belinda

> > ****

> > > The last 2 times we got milk from him it tasted

> like moth balls

> (not

> > > that we've eaten moth balls, but you know what I

> mean I hope).

> We've

> > > talked to him and cannot figure out what the

> deal is. Any

> suggestions?

> > > Comments? We've been consuming real, fresh

> dairy for 3 years

> now from

> > > several different farms and have never run

> across this before.

> Any

> > > input would be welcomed.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > > Barbara P.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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Cows do get ketosis mostly after they calve while goats get it

usually before they kid. In both cases it's usually going to be in

animals that are too fat. Get a set of 'body condition scorecards'

and learn how to do it on a regular basis to keep your animals in

correct BC for stage of growth/gestation/lactation.

Something stresses the cow out and she doesn't (or can't) eat

enough to meet her nutritional needs so she starts mobilizing fat to

meet those needs. The by product of fat being catabolized are those

toxic ketone bodies. This damages the liver and 'fatty liver

disease' results. This makes her feel awful so she doesn't want to

eat and like a snake biting it's own tail she worsens.

DHIR is helpful to detect subclinical ketosis. Anytime you have

a cow (or goat!) with a significantly higher butterfat percentage

than her herdmates (especially in the first 120 days of lactation)

then chronic, subclinical ketosis is the likely cause. Usually this

means if the herd average is about 3.8% and you have an individual up

at +4.3% then you need to check ketone levels.

I totally disagree with what you are saying about how to treat

ketosis. A cow in ketosis needs to be fed more and more often to get

her back into a positive nutritional balance. She may be acute

enough to need something like glycerine or propylene glycol to get

her back into balance. She has to be eating enough hay (or grass or

whatever long stemmed fiber source you are using) to protect her

rumen from acidosis, too.

Donna

Safehaven Nubians

Dandridge, TN

> > >

> > > My first reaction is to check what he is milking

> > into and the jars

> > > he's using to store the milk. If he's bought a

> > used machine and not

> > > done a good job cleaning it up it might explain

> > it, ditto for

> > jars, etc.

> > >

> > > Belinda

> > > ****

> > > > The last 2 times we got milk from him it tasted

> > like moth balls

> > (not

> > > > that we've eaten moth balls, but you know what I

> > mean I hope).

> > We've

> > > > talked to him and cannot figure out what the

> > deal is. Any

> > suggestions?

> > > > Comments? We've been consuming real, fresh

> > dairy for 3 years

> > now from

> > > > several different farms and have never run

> > across this before.

> > Any

> > > > input would be welcomed.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks!

> > > > Barbara P.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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I've seen ketosis at both dairies that I worked at. Both had

different protocols and I liked neither. However, this is what they

each did.

1. All cows (not heifers) would get something like glycerine or

propylene glycol immediately after they calved if they showed ANY

signs of ketosis. The easiest sign was the cow simply not moving or

getting up. AT ALL. Secondly, ALL cows & heifers remained in a

seperate barn until their first heat than the rest of the lactating

herd and were given quality hay every day. Not very much (Very

little, I'd always give them extra when I was working though) to help

their rumens. Otherwise the herd had a 100% TMR diet while lactating.

Except during nice weather, they were all allowed outside to pasture

for about 2 hours a day. The dry cow group always had pasture access

and their TMR.

2. His dry cows were on pasture. His lactating cows only left the

barn to go to & from the milking barn. When a cow got ketosis, they

did nothing and lost a cow every couple of months.

Not sure if any of this helps, but it at least lets you know what

goes on in commercial dairies.

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> > > > My first reaction is to check what he is milking

> > > into and the jars

> > > > he's using to store the milk. If he's bought a

> > > used machine and not

> > > > done a good job cleaning it up it might explain

> > > it, ditto for

> > > jars, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Belinda

> > > > ****

> > > > > The last 2 times we got milk from him it tasted

> > > like moth balls

> > > (not

> > > > > that we've eaten moth balls, but you know what I

> > > mean I hope).

> > > We've

> > > > > talked to him and cannot figure out what the

> > > deal is. Any

> > > suggestions?

> > > > > Comments? We've been consuming real, fresh

> > > dairy for 3 years

> > > now from

> > > > > several different farms and have never run

> > > across this before.

> > > Any

> > > > > input would be welcomed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks!

> > > > > Barbara P.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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