Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 sCandace, Just a heads up. When infants strain really hard and frequently with bowel movements they can be at increased risk for intasusepsion. I don't know if I spelled that right or not. They get what is called currant jelly stools, and it looks exactly like red currant jelly. This condition can be very serious even life threatening. It is were the intestines flip on themselves. Be careful, and make sure you pay close attention especially if this problem should be prolonged. Brittany candycayne19 wrote: My son is on goat milk and breast milk. I tried the wap formula and he was just spitting it all up so i went back to just goat milk and cod liver oil in his bottle once a day, and an egg. He more reciently has started to be way more constipated than normal. He would start to push and then scream bloody murder, I have to open up his diaper and help him..its the saddest thing in the world. I am not eating offensive foods either. I know its not my milk..but im thinking the goat milk is the culprit but we have no other option for milk since he didnt do that well on raw cows milk. Some times he has blood in his bowels and its just a very light pink but i know its really hurting him. I think he might have a fissure Everything i get he gets lol poor guy. If anyone knows of something i could be adding to his bottle (digestive enzymes?) I would greatly appreciate it and so would his poor bum. Thankscandace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 You might talk to your doctor about adding some magnesium. Too much calcium will constipate a person, as Dr. Carl Reich found when he put his terminal cancer patients on calcium supplements. They started complaining of constipation so he added magnesium -- and every single one of them was cured of their cancer and lived many years longer. Epsom salts or milk of magnesia, in a weight adjusted dose might help. candycayne19 wrote: My son is on goat milk and breast milk. I tried the wap formula and he was just spitting it all up so i went back to just goat milk and cod liver oil in his bottle once a day, and an egg. He more reciently has started to be way more constipated than normal. He would start to push and then scream bloody murder, I have to open up his diaper and help him..its the saddest thing in the world. I am not eating offensive foods either. I know its not my milk..but im thinking the goat milk is the culprit but we have no other option for milk since he didnt do that well on raw cows milk. Some times he has blood in his bowels and its just a very light pink but i know its really hurting him. I think he might have a fissure Everything i get he gets lol poor guy. If anyone knows of something i could be adding to his bottle (digestive enzymes?) I would greatly appreciate it and so would his poor bum. Thanks candace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Put swome Karo surup into the bottles. Keep adding until you get thestools the consistancy you want... we recommended this for manypediatric clinics that I ran over the years in the military.Trust me it works and it is cheap. Eck wrote: You might talk to your doctor about adding some magnesium. Too much calcium will constipate a person, as Dr. Carl Reich found when he put his terminal cancer patients on calcium supplements. They started complaining of constipation so he added magnesium -- and every single one of them was cured of their cancer and lived many years longer. Epsom salts or milk of magnesia, in a weight adjusted dose might help. candycayne19 <candycayne19> wrote: My son is on goat milk and breast milk. I tried the wap formula and he was just spitting it all up so i went back to just goat milk and cod liver oil in his bottle once a day, and an egg. He more reciently has started to be way more constipated than normal. He would start to push and then scream bloody murder, I have to open up his diaper and help him..its the saddest thing in the world. I am not eating offensive foods either. I know its not my milk..but im thinking the goat milk is the culprit but we have no other option for milk since he didnt do that well on raw cows milk. Some times he has blood in his bowels and its just a very light pink but i know its really hurting him. I think he might have a fissure Everything i get he gets lol poor guy. If anyone knows of something i could be adding to his bottle (digestive enzymes?) I would greatly appreciate it and so would his poor bum. Thanks candace What will the world find in 2020? Leave a part of your 2006 in the Yahoo! Time Capsule. Contribute now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Talk it over with your doctor before you do anything. But, my experience has been that egg (especially raw) isn't something that easy for baby to digest. I'd stick to breat milk as much as is possible and supplement with the goat milk. Making kefir or yogurt with some of the goat milk can sure help, too. Donna Safehaven Nubians Dandridge, TN > > My son is on goat milk and breast milk. I tried the wap formula and he > was just spitting it all up so i went back to just goat milk and cod > liver oil in his bottle once a day, and an egg. He more reciently has > started to be way more constipated than normal. He would start to push > and then scream bloody murder, I have to open up his diaper and help > him..its the saddest thing in the world. I am not eating offensive > foods either. I know its not my milk..but im thinking the goat milk is > the culprit but we have no other option for milk since he didnt do > that well on raw cows milk. Some times he has blood in his bowels and > its just a very light pink but i know its really hurting him. I think > he might have a fissure Everything i get he gets lol poor guy. If > anyone knows of something i could be adding to his bottle (digestive > enzymes?) I would greatly appreciate it and so would his poor bum. > Thanks > candace > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 My youngest son, who's now 2, became constipated and had very different stools compared to what all my other children had, when he was about 4 months old. It was weird, he suddenly stopped having bowel movements for 2 or 3 days, and then started having one with a peanut butter consistency, and without the normal curds that most breastfed babies have. He was totally breastfed at this point. I was baffled. He would have obvious stomach discomfort in the morning as well. Finally after about 3-4 weeks of this and talking to several other moms, I tried giving him some probiotics and enzymes. I don't know why I didn't think about it sooner. Maybe because he'd never had any antibiotics or vaccines or anything other than breastmilk. Anyway, I got some KidZymes enzymes and Lifestart Bifidus Infantis probiotics, and mixed one capsule of the Kidzymes with maybe 1/4 tsp. of the Lifestart with some of my breastmilk and spooned it into him, building up to 3 times a day. I started seeing a difference in his stools by day three. A couple times in that first year, if I quit giving him the enzymes and probiotics, by the second week he'd start getting the same type of stools, and it always went back to the mustardy curd type I'm used to within a couple days of starting the enzymes and probiotics again. I never did figure out what was doing it to him. He also didn't do well on egg yolks when I tried introducing them to him at 6 months, and I had to wait until about a year before he'd keep them down. Just my experience. If you were doing the wap formula, you probably already have some of the Lifestart probiotics you could try. Take Care, Sally > My son is on goat milk and breast milk. I tried the wap formula and he > was just spitting it all up so i went back to just goat milk and cod > liver oil in his bottle once a day, and an egg. He more reciently has > started to be way more constipated than normal. He would start to push > and then scream bloody murder, I have to open up his diaper and help > him..its the saddest thing in the world. I am not eating offensive > foods either. I know its not my milk..but im thinking the goat milk is > the culprit but we have no other option for milk since he didnt do > that well on raw cows milk. Some times he has blood in his bowels and > its just a very light pink but i know its really hurting him. I think > he might have a fissure Everything i get he gets lol poor guy. If > anyone knows of something i could be adding to his bottle (digestive > enzymes?) I would greatly appreciate it and so would his poor bum. > Thanks > candace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Candace, I had the same problem with our adopted son. I added liquid magnesium and blackstrap molasses. I would also add chlorophyll once or twice a day along with the cod liver oil. I would also prick a vit. E capsule every couple of days and squirt it into his month. Hope you can get him all straightened out soon! Blessings, Donna~ TN~ Help 5 month old son is severly constipated!! > My son is on goat milk and breast milk. I tried the wap formula and he > was just spitting it all up so i went back to just goat milk and cod > liver oil in his bottle once a day, and an egg. He more reciently has > started to be way more constipated than normal. He would start to push > and then scream bloody murder, I have to open up his diaper and help > him..its the saddest thing in the world. I am not eating offensive > foods either. I know its not my milk..but im thinking the goat milk is > the culprit but we have no other option for milk since he didnt do > that well on raw cows milk. Some times he has blood in his bowels and > its just a very light pink but i know its really hurting him. I think > he might have a fissure Everything i get he gets lol poor guy. If > anyone knows of something i could be adding to his bottle (digestive > enzymes?) I would greatly appreciate it and so would his poor bum. > Thanks > candace > > > > > PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING! > Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ > > Archive search: http://onibasu.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 And breastfed babies DO go days without pooping which is totally normal(very efficient food-breastmilk) As for him hollering and straining, yep they do that too then have a big ol' poo. I would take away anything but breastmilk for the day and see if he manages to go by evening. Although I love NT, I do not support their idea of formula for a baby. Yes, better than canned but the ick factor is overwhelming. Very normal sounding stuff going on but I am not your midwife or dr obviously.Amelia, MT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 My esperince from my running Pediatric Clinics is that Breast fed babies seem to have a looser stool than those that are bottle fed. We used to get a lot of mothers that felt their babies had too firm a stool. Most were bottle fed or a mix of bottle and breast that had the firm stools. We recommend about 4 tablespooms of light Karo for each 4 ozs of forumula. The mothers could then adjust the amt up or down as they desired. Most that followed my advice, hundreds of them over 20 years of military, were not disappointed. I treated babies of about every culture there was. All mothers are worried about thebabies BM's. With the military we often did not have an extended family. I was that extended family and knew the role well. Even when I went to the commissary or the exchange or px I was child care questions. We hadlimited staff and lots of babies. Young people, at least in those days, had babies because the insurance paid for the babies. The care was free and good to excellent. Many children in those days came off of military delivery tables.Oh, those were the days. Try a little Karo surup and see what baby does.It will not hurt them and the cure is cheap... and almost as natural as you canget. Cheap, natural and works. Season it, add more or less to get the results you want.JJNow in Boac, MarinduqueHome of 12 or the 14 last Earthquakes to hit the land of ParadiseThe Philippine Islands5jays wrote: And breastfed babies DO go days without pooping which is totally normal(very efficient food-breastmilk) As for him hollering and straining, yep they do that too then have a big ol' poo. I would take away anything but breastmilk for the day and see if he manages to go by evening. Although I love NT, I do not support their idea of formula for a baby. Yes, better than canned but the ick factor is overwhelming. Very normal sounding stuff going on but I am not your midwife or dr obviously.Amelia, MT What will the world find in 2020? Leave a part of your 2006 in the Yahoo! Time Capsule. Contribute now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Thank you for your advice. I am a little ignorant to karo syrup. What exactly is it and would you think it is WAP friendly? It sounds like a lot of syrup per formula but its worth a shot. Thank you candacesamanka farm wrote: My esperince from my running Pediatric Clinics is that Breast fed babies seem to have a looser stool than those that are bottle fed. We used to get a lot of mothers that felt their babies had too firm a stool. Most were bottle fed or a mix of bottle and breast that had the firm stools. We recommend about 4 tablespooms of light Karo for each 4 ozs of forumula. The mothers could then adjust the amt up or down as they desired. Most that followed my advice, hundreds of them over 20 years of military, were not disappointed. I treated babies of about every culture there was. All mothers are worried about thebabies BM's. With the military we often did not have an extended family. I was that extended family and knew the role well. Even when I went to the commissary or the exchange or px I was child care questions. We hadlimited staff and lots of babies. Young people, at least in those days, had babies because the insurance paid for the babies. The care was free and good to excellent. Many children in those days came off of military delivery tables.Oh, those were the days. Try a little Karo surup and see what baby does.It will not hurt them and the cure is cheap... and almost as natural as you canget. Cheap, natural and works. Season it, add more or less to get the results you want.JJNow in Boac, MarinduqueHome of 12 or the 14 last Earthquakes to hit the land of ParadiseThe Philippine Islands5jays <5jayranchgmail> wrote: And breastfed babies DO go days without pooping which is totally normal(very efficient food-breastmilk) As for him hollering and straining, yep they do that too then have a big ol' poo. I would take away anything but breastmilk for the day and see if he manages to go by evening. Although I love NT, I do not support their idea of formula for a baby. Yes, better than canned but the ick factor is overwhelming. Very normal sounding stuff going on but I am not your midwife or dr obviously.Amelia, MT What will the world find in 2020?Leave a part of your 2006 in the Yahoo! Time Capsule. Contribute now! ~To Your Success And Mine~ Candace Independent Representative ONE Group Manager www.Genuineorganics.mionegroup.com Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Candace, I don't doubt JJ's experience, but I didn't like using the Karo (corn syrup) when I was faced with this problem. That is why I told you about the blackstrap molasses...I felt much better about using it. Blessings, Donna~ Re: Help 5 month old son is severly constipated!! Thank you for your advice. I am a little ignorant to karo syrup. What exactly is it and would you think it is WAP friendly? It sounds like a lot of syrup per formula but its worth a shot. Thank you candace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 I heard that preached all over the US and Europe when I was in the service.I got out about 4 yrs ago. Used it on my own baby when she was breastfed.Only had one episode of constipation and the karo cleared it right up. Never would I let my baby suffer with that, she was so miserable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 My son was severely allergic to all dairy and had bloody diarrhea but he was 2 yrs old before he even got a taste of dairy. He was exclusively breastfed. I would pump your milk out in a bottle that is the perfect food for your baby the one nature intended him to have. I agree babies should not be eating eggs especially raw in a bottle. He now is able to drink it with no problem. So I just waited until he was older and gave it to him and he was fine. My opinion I would not be giving him clo either only breast milk. My 3 out of 4 children had only breast milk for the first year and nothing else and they are very healthy kids. Your baby only needs your milk for the first year. Talk it over with your doctor before you do anything. But, my experience has been that egg (especially raw) isn't something that easy for baby to digest. I'd stick to breat milk as much as is possible and supplement with the goat milk. Making kefir or yogurt with some of the goat milk can sure help, too. Donna Safehaven Nubians Dandridge, TN > My son is on goat milk and breast milk. I tried the wap formula and he > was just spitting it all up so i went back to just goat milk and cod > liver oil in his bottle once a day, and an egg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Corn syrup imo is not healthy for anyone especially babies. Just breastfed the child and it will take care of it. Wow never heard that of that at a military clinic any where. My esperince from my running Pediatric Clinics is that Breast fed babies seem to have a looser stool than those that are bottle fed. We used to get a lot of mothers that felt their babies had too firm a stool. Most were bottle fed or a mix of bottle and breast that had the firm stools. We recommend about 4 tablespooms of light Karo for each 4 ozs of forumula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 It’s corn syrup and is NOT wap friendly. It’s what they put in coke and other stuff. Thank you for your advice. I am a little ignorant to karo syrup. What exactly is it and would you think it is WAP friendly? It sounds like a lot of syrup per formula but its worth a shot. Thank you candace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 iam not sure what ''wap'' friendly is. I retired 14 years ago.Still it is pan cake surup. We used it in 1000's of babies andhad very few if any problems.It works and it worke well and cheap...JJ wrote: It’s corn syrup and is NOT wap friendly. It’s what they put in coke and other stuff. Thank you for your advice. I am a little ignorant to karo syrup. What exactly is it and would you think it is WAP friendly? It sounds like a lot of syrup per formula but its worth a shot. Thank you candace What is the internet to you? Contribute to the Yahoo! Time Capsule and be a part of internet history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Pediatric clinics in Virginia, Texas, Philippines and California.Why are you so dead set against a cure that does work and was and is used on thousands of babies....JJ wrote: Corn syrup imo is not healthy for anyone especially babies. Just breastfed the child and it will take care of it. Wow never heard that of that at a military clinic any where. My esperince from my running Pediatric Clinics is that Breast fed babies seem to have a looser stool than those that are bottle fed. We used to get a lot of mothers that felt their babies had too firm a stool. Most were bottle fed or a mix of bottle and breast that had the firm stools. We recommend about 4 tablespooms of light Karo for each 4 ozs of forumula. What will the world find in 2020? Leave a part of your 2006 in the Yahoo! Time Capsule. Contribute now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Speaking as one who's sugar addiction, and the eventual beginnings of type 2 diabetes, began almost at birth from the use of the sugar based baby formulas of the 50's, I would not use corn syrup or any other sugar to feed a baby, period. I had no control over what my parents fed to me as a child, but I have control over what I feed to myself and to my family now. Sugar is right out! I am powerless in the face of sugar and face each day one day at a time because of my addiction. In many ways, it is worse than alcohol. Sugar- unnatural refined sugars and syrups- are part of the evil agricultural empire we are fighting. If you want sweet, use stevia. Betsy, TN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Most mothers want to introduce solid foods as soon as possible....Why I never did figure out....Many want to start with rice cereal at as early as 6 weeks.... Breast milk is all that his needed for the first 6 months.... Then usually cereal, often rice....then a green vegetable, such as beans. Feed each vegetable for one week. Then introduce a new vegetable each week. If the childseems to be allergic or not tolerate the introduced vegetable stop it, continue out the week in what the child can tolerate and try a different vegetable the following week. Babies will often be awakeduring the night. Babies fed rice cereal may sleep during the nightbut at what expence....After six months slowly add the vegetables then meat after 9 monthsof age. We did not recommend cows milk until after, well after, a yearof age.... high salt...and often not well tolerated. Asian babies had a real hard time with dairy products. Also, use a food mill and cook, take out babies and put it in the milland strain it, before you season the food.... then baby will not get used to all the salt and sugar, in todays diets. We never recommendedbaby food. Also, we did recommend a soy formula if mama dried upor did not have enough breast milk for baby. Prosoby and Isomil come to mind as soy formulas.... I raised my own kinds on the same methods and have recommendedthe same to many nieces and nephews and grand nieces and nephews.Also we did not recommend the piercing of ears or the removal of foreskins on children. Many baby girls came in with earings, and a few baby boys also, believe it or not. The children, boy children, could be cut later on if they hadproblems that need surgery. But routinely cutting a foreskin made as much since as removing finger nails. Soap and water works everyplace else, why not on a foreskin, but that is for another post....Karo surup works and works well....JJ wrote: My son was severely allergic to all dairy and had bloody diarrhea but he was 2 yrs old before he even got a taste of dairy. He was exclusively breastfed. I would pump your milk out in a bottle that is the perfect food for your baby the one nature intended him to have. I agree babies should not be eating eggs especially raw in a bottle. He now is able to drink it with no problem. So I just waited until he was older and gave it to him and he was fine. My opinion I would not be giving him clo either only breast milk. My 3 out of 4 children had only breast milk for the first year and nothing else and they are very healthy kids. Your baby only needs your milk for the first year. Talk it over with your doctor before you do anything. But, my experience has been that egg (especially raw) isn't something that easy for baby to digest. I'd stick to breat milk as much as is possible and supplement with the goat milk. Making kefir or yogurt with some of the goat milk can sure help, too. Donna Safehaven Nubians Dandridge, TN > My son is on goat milk and breast milk. I tried the wap formula and he > was just spitting it all up so i went back to just goat milk and cod > liver oil in his bottle once a day, and an egg. What will the world find in 2020? Leave a part of your 2006 in the Yahoo! Time Capsule. Contribute now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 The book noursishing traditions and there website www.westonaprice.org Explains how we eat. Here is what WAP says to avoid- I would never ever give a baby corn syrup Dietary Dangers Don't eat commercially processed foods such as cookies, cakes, crackers, TV dinners, soft drinks, packaged sauce mixes, etc. Avoid all refined sweeteners such as sugar, dextrose, glucose and high fructose corn syrup. Avoid white flour, white flour products and white rice. Avoid all hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated fats and oils. Avoid all vegetable oils made from soy, corn, safflower, canola or cottonseed. Do not use polyunsaturated oils for cooking, sauteing or baking. Avoid fried foods. Do not practice strict vegetarianism (veganism); animal products provide vital nutrients not found in plant foods. Avoid products containing protein powders. Avoid pasteurized milk; do not consume lowfat milk, skim milk, powdered milk or imitation milk products. Avoid battery-produced eggs and factory-farmed meats. Avoid highly processed luncheon meats and sausage containing MSG and other additives. Avoid rancid and improperly prepared seeds, nuts and grains found in granolas, quick rise breads and extruded breakfast cereals, as they block mineral absorption and cause intestinal distress. Avoid canned, sprayed, waxed, bioengineered or irradiated fruits and vegetables. Avoid artificial food additives, especially MSG, hydrolyzed vegetable protein and aspartame, which are neurotoxins. Most soups, sauce and broth mixes and commercial condiments contain MSG, even if not so labeled. Avoid caffeine-containing beverages such as coffee, tea and soft drinks. Avoid chocolate. Avoid aluminum-containing foods such as commercial salt, baking powder and antacids. Do not use aluminum cookware or aluminum-containing deodorants. Do not drink fluoridated water. Avoid synthetic vitamins and foods containing them. Do not drink distilled liquors. Do not use a microwave oven. RE: Help 5 month old son is severly constipated!! iam not sure what ''wap'' friendly is. I retired 14 years ago. Still it is pan cake surup. We used it in 1000's of babies and had very few if any problems. It works and it worke well and cheap... JJ <aegearhartbellsouth (DOT) net> wrote: It’s corn syrup and is NOT wap friendly. It’s what they put in coke and other stuff. Thank you for your advice. I am a little ignorant to karo syrup. What exactly is it and would you think it is WAP friendly? It sounds like a lot of syrup per formula but its worth a shot. Thank you candace What is the internet to you? Contribute to the Yahoo! Time Capsule and be a part of internet history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 I guess it is because I was a Le Leche Leader for years and that was never ever on the radar of giving children cornsyrup. As a military wife I would not be pleased with someone pushing corn syrup let alone putting it in every bottle of formula! She is breastfeeding and that is what GOD intended babies to drink not high fructose cornsyrup with nasty formula. Bloody diarrhea is something to look at and is not just constipation in my opinion. I have had this before as I have raised 4 kids 12, 8, 3.5, and 2 yrs old and I’m still breastfeeding my 2 yr old. If you would have told me to do this on a military facility I would have told you, you were crazy. A baby that is exclusively breastfed does not have constipation very rare. It is when people start introducing formula and all kinds of other stuff. That is why God gave us breasts to feed our babies. Here is resources that she should be reading. As you could see she is a Weston A Price person and WAP people don’t use corn syrup. If she would only just breastfeed and not give her baby anything else the constipation would clear up on it’s own. The baby is constipated because you are giving it something unnatural to it’s digestive system. I don’t think you would give a cow corn syrup for constipation. The cow drinks it’s mother milk just like a baby should drink it’s mother’s milk. Why would you give it to a baby. I invested in a breast pump when ever I could not feed the baby the breastmilk was pumped and put in a bottle for the baby to drink in my absence. www.westonaprice.org http://www.lalecheleague.org/FAQ/bm.html http://www.lalecheleague.org/NB/NBJulAug98p100.html Pediatric clinics in Virginia, Texas, Philippines and California. Why are you so dead set against a cure that does work and was and is used on thousands of babies.... JJ <aegearhartbellsouth (DOT) net> wrote: Corn syrup imo is not healthy for anyone especially babies. Just breastfed the child and it will take care of it. Wow never heard that of that at a military clinic any where. My esperince from my running Pediatric Clinics is that Breast fed babies seem to have a looser stool than those that are bottle fed. We used to get a lot of mothers that felt their babies had too firm a stool. Most were bottle fed or a mix of bottle and breast that had the firm stools. We recommend about 4 tablespooms of light Karo for each 4 ozs of forumula. What will the world find in 2020? Leave a part of your 2006 in the Yahoo! Time Capsule. Contribute now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 This is a myth- Cereals are often suggested as a way to fill baby up, lengthening the interval between feedings, and even sleeping longer at night. This " filler fallacy " is an unwise feeding pattern. Cereal is not nearly as nutritious as breastmilk. Besides, this practice rarely works. Obviously I don’t agree with Dr. Sears on everything but he has a lot of good info as I don’t believe babies should be fed formula and I believe breastmilk is the perfect food for the 1st year. http://www.askdrsears.com/html/3/t032000.asp http://www.askdrsears.com/html/0/T000100.asp#T031001 http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/T041800.asp Also soy is not approved for people who follow WAP. Read about soy- soy is very harmful. My husband was raised on soy formula. He is only 5’5” tall and every one else in his family is taller. He also has hormonal imbalances and I know that it has a lot to do with it. http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html RE: Re: Help 5 month old son is severly constipated!! Most mothers want to introduce solid foods as soon as possible....Why I never did figure out.... Many want to start with rice cereal at as early as 6 weeks.... Breast milk is all that his needed for the first 6 months.... Then usually cereal, often rice.... then a green vegetable, such as beans. Feed each vegetable for one week. Then introduce a new vegetable each week. If the child seems to be allergic or not tolerate the introduced vegetable stop it, continue out the week in what the child can tolerate and try a different vegetable the following week. Babies will often be awake during the night. Babies fed rice cereal may sleep during the night but at what expence.... After six months slowly add the vegetables then meat after 9 months of age. We did not recommend cows milk until after, well after, a year of age.... high salt...and often not well tolerated. Asian babies had a real hard time with dairy products. Also, use a food mill and cook, take out babies and put it in the mill and strain it, before you season the food.... then baby will not get used to all the salt and sugar, in todays diets. We never recommended baby food. Also, we did recommend a soy formula if mama dried up or did not have enough breast milk for baby. Prosoby and Isomil come to mind as soy formulas.... I raised my own kinds on the same methods and have recommended the same to many nieces and nephews and grand nieces and nephews. Also we did not recommend the piercing of ears or the removal of foreskins on children. Many baby girls came in with earings, and a few baby boys also, believe it or not. The children, boy children, could be cut later on if they had problems that need surgery. But routinely cutting a foreskin made as much since as removing finger nails. Soap and water works everyplace else, why not on a foreskin, but that is for another post.... Karo surup works and works well.... JJ <aegearhartbellsouth (DOT) net> wrote: My son was severely allergic to all dairy and had bloody diarrhea but he was 2 yrs old before he even got a taste of dairy. He was exclusively breastfed. I would pump your milk out in a bottle that is the perfect food for your baby the one nature intended him to have. I agree babies should not be eating eggs especially raw in a bottle. He now is able to drink it with no problem. So I just waited until he was older and gave it to him and he was fine. My opinion I would not be giving him clo either only breast milk. My 3 out of 4 children had only breast milk for the first year and nothing else and they are very healthy kids. Your baby only needs your milk for the first year. Talk it over with your doctor before you do anything. But, my experience has been that egg (especially raw) isn't something that easy for baby to digest. I'd stick to breat milk as much as is possible and supplement with the goat milk. Making kefir or yogurt with some of the goat milk can sure help, too. Donna Safehaven Nubians Dandridge, TN > My son is on goat milk and breast milk. I tried the wap formula and he > was just spitting it all up so i went back to just goat milk and cod > liver oil in his bottle once a day, and an egg. What will the world find in 2020? Leave a part of your 2006 in the Yahoo! Time Capsule. Contribute now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Candace, I'm sorry that your li'l guy is suffering. My guess is that he's getting too much calcium (which can be constipating) and not enough magnesium. From personal experience, magnesium helps to loosen stools (as well as extra vitamin C). Excess protein is also constipating, so perhaps you should cut back on the eggs since he's getting plenty from the goat's milk. With my 2 year-old ds, I find that increasing his CLO intake also helps to keep him regular (he normally gets 1/8 tsp./day, any more than 1/4 tsp. sends him in the opposite direction). You could also try castor oil packs. I've never tried this but I thought I'd throw it out there in case you're interested, although, it might be difficult to keep in place for at least 20 minutes. You could also try glycerine suppositories which would at least help him pass stools with less discomfort until he normalizes. Poor thing, especially if he's got a fissure. Keep a close eye on that, as someone here mentioned before. Here's a link to the Natural Calm Baby Calm, http://vitanetonline.com/description/VY0016/vitamins/Natural-Calm-Baby-Calm/. I linked this page since it has a list of ingredients but you can Google it to find other sources. Hope this helps and hope your ds feels better soon! Derya P.S. As for increasing milk production, I was never a big producer when I breastfed my sons until I drank Mother's Milk tea. The main ingredient in the tea is fenugreek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Thank you everyone for your support! I need it in this time of stress. As for the egg i have only given that to him 2 times soi dont think that is the problem and as for the clo ive given that to him about 5 times...the good thing about clo for him is that he doesnt puke when i put it in his bottle so i think that is helping his acid reflux which is still bothering him. I dont know how he would be getting too much calcium since im not on a supplement and goat milk shouldnt have too much i dont think. I am drinking raw milk again but stoped for about 2 weeks and it didnt make him poop more being off eggs or milk. he gets about 1/4 of a teaspoon on clo daily but it is more a recient thing. It is soooooooooooooooo frusterating having a child with so many problems when i thought i did everything right during pregnancy. I hadent heard of weston price yet but i was on only organic everything. Him and i have had the hardest time since he got here. I just feel so helpless and im loosing creditability with my husband everytime i try something new on him. But someday it will get better thanks candacemycelia111 wrote: Candace,I'm sorry that your li'l guy is suffering. :(My guess is that he's getting too much calcium (which can beconstipating) and not enough magnesium. From personal experience,magnesium helps to loosen stools (as well as extra vitamin C). Excessprotein is also constipating, so perhaps you should cut back on theeggs since he's getting plenty from the goat's milk. With my 2year-old ds, I find that increasing his CLO intake also helps to keephim regular (he normally gets 1/8 tsp./day, any more than 1/4 tsp.sends him in the opposite direction).You could also try castor oil packs. I've never tried this but Ithought I'd throw it out there in case you're interested, although, itmight be difficult to keep in place for at least 20 minutes. You couldalso try glycerine suppositories which would at least help him passstools with less discomfort until he normalizes. Poor thing,especially if he's got a fissure. Keep a close eye on that, as someonehere mentioned before.Here's a link to the Natural Calm Baby Calm,http://vitanetonline.com/description/VY0016/vitamins/Natural-Calm-Baby-Calm/.I linked this page since it has a list of ingredients but you canGoogle it to find other sources. Hope this helps and hope your dsfeels better soon!DeryaP.S. As for increasing milk production, I was never a big producerwhen I breastfed my sons until I drank Mother's Milk tea. The mainingredient in the tea is fenugreek. ~To Your Success And Mine~ Candace Independent Representative ONE Group Manager www.Genuineorganics.mionegroup.com Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 I'd like to be able to support you more with this. I have a SIL who also had the same experiences as you but she wouldn't listen to anything but what her Doctor said. So she wouldn't breastfeed, they put him on a soy formula and he had acid reflux that developed into GERD...Life is difficult for her now but she won't listen to anything but what the Doctor says... Just explain to your hubby that you need to keep trying to find something that will help poor baby. Baby's have different needs and there are those super sensitive ones who react to different things. Do you have allergies to gluten in your family, by the way? *~*~* Jo & Pete *~*~* @ " Laudo Deum " Farm kinderfolk_n_liddlebuds@... Raising quality Kinder and Nigerian Dwarf goats for small acreage farmers, homesteaders and families with young children. (And producing natural soaps for humans and animals.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Hey, We do not have alergies that i know of to gluten...except for since ive been off unsprouted wheat for the last 2 weeks i tried a piece of organic wheat bread the other day at my moms house cause she had nothing else to eat...and i got instant acid reflux from it. so im thinking that is something that was always there but i never noticed it. But i dont know of anyone else having that problem candaceJo wrote: I'd like to be able to support you more with this. I have a SIL who also had the same experiences as you but she wouldn't listen to anything but what her Doctor said. So she wouldn't breastfeed, they put him on a soy formula and he had acid reflux that developed into GERD...Life is difficult for her now but she won't listen to anything but what the Doctor says...Just explain to your hubby that you need to keep trying to find something that will help poor baby. Baby's have different needs and there are those super sensitive ones who react to different things.Do you have allergies to gluten in your family, by the way?*~*~* Jo & Pete *~*~*@"Laudo Deum" Farmkinderfolk_n_liddlebudscharter (DOT) netRaising quality Kinder and Nigerian Dwarf goatsfor small acreage farmers, homesteaders andfamilies with young children.(And producing natural soaps for humans and animals.)~To Your Success And Mine~ Candace Independent Representative ONE Group Manager www.Genuineorganics.mionegroup.com Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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