Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 The interior of the building is painted cinder block with a metal pan roof so my initial assessment does not involve mold, however I may consider some bacterial. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Here's one thought: Look for reservoirs of organic dust (lots of paper dust in a mail facility) that are, or had been, wet -- even on high superstructure surfaces. Have a dust sample cultured. Or just recommend that it all be professionally cleaned. I don't know enough detail to comment on the lab charges. Consider TO-15 Summa canister analysis for VOCs. Shop labs. Steve Temes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Mr. Gray, You may want to consider a VOC Scan using Minicans (OSHA PV2120). This test would give you results for at least 63 compounds and you can add a library search for thousands of tentatively identified compound (Tic's). The analysis uses GC/MS techniques. This type of testing gives you a broad range of compounds, especially in the absence of known compounds. I have used Galson Laboratories in the past for this type of screening. They will provide the Minicans and analysis for each can runs around $300.00 +/-. Hope this helps. Respectfully, M. Bickford, OHST, CIE, CMR President - CEO Air Quality Management Services, Inc. _____ From: iequality [mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of Bill Gray Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:08 AM To: iequality Subject: RE: Organic Vapors Dear Group Members, I'm involved in a project at a mail sorting facility that has had employee complaints of flu-like symptoms. As part of the battery of testing I am conducting I had hoped to test for a broad spectrum of organic vapors, like NIOsh 1501. The lab I'm planning on using for this work tells me I have to tell them the specific compound or compounds to be analyzed. When I said run the Group A & B compounds, they replied we probably couldn't afford the cost! Am I missing something here? Also plan on using a Dust Trak 8520, Hazmat Detector, TSI Q Trak Plus and a Quad gas meter. The interior of the building is painted cinder block with a metal pan roof so my initial assessment does not involve mold, however I may consider some bacterial. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Regards, Gray Vice President Environmental Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Have you done an inspection of the HVAC? EdBill Gray wrote: Dear Group Members, I'm involved in a project at a mail sorting facility that has had employee complaints of flu-like symptoms. As part of the battery of testing I am conducting I had hoped to test for a broad spectrum of organic vapors, like NIOsh 1501. The lab I'm planning on using for this work tells me I have to tell them the specific compound or compounds to be analyzed. When I said run the Group A & B compounds, they replied we probably couldn't afford the cost! Am I missing something here? Also plan on using a Dust Trak 8520, Hazmat Detector, TSI Q Trak Plus and a Quad gas meter. The interior of the building is painted cinder block with a metal pan roof so my initial assessment does not involve mold, however I may consider some bacterial. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Regards, Gray Vice President Environmental Services What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Ditto on the TO-15 with a Summa canister if you are trying get a broad base. Cost: $250-300 for analysis $35 for the canister use $40-50 each way for shipping Labs: Pace Environmental Science Corp I've used others but not that happy with turnaround on report If you know more clearly what you want in a grouping try Galson Labs and one of there group packages with a pump and adsorption tube. Tony ........................................................................... "Tony" Havics, CHMM, CIH, PEpH2, LLCPO Box 34140Indianapolis, IN 46234 cell90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any consultant can give you the other 10%â„ This message is from pH2. This message and any attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information, and are intended only for the individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you are not the addressee, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, you are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute this message and any attachments, and we ask that you please delete this message and attachments (including all copies) and notify the sender by return e-mail or by phone at . Delivery of this message and any attachments to any person other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive confidentiality or a privilege. All personal messages express views only of the sender, which are not to be attributed to pH2 and may not be copied or distributed without this statement. -----Original Message-----From: iequality [mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of AirwaysEnv@...Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:05 AMTo: iequality Subject: Re: RE: Organic Vapors The interior of the building is painted cinder block with a metal pan roof so my initial assessment does not involve mold, however I may consider some bacterial. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Here's one thought: Look for reservoirs of organic dust (lots of paper dust in a mail facility) that are, or had been, wet -- even on high superstructure surfaces. Have a dust sample cultured. Or just recommend that it all be professionally cleaned.I don't know enough detail to comment on the lab charges. Consider TO-15 Summa canister analysis for VOCs. Shop labs.Steve Temes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Bill: I have had good results with the TO-15 with TIC's, price is reasonable (less than $300 I think). The lab sends you a collection canister to your specifications (4 hours, 8 hours, 24 hours). The lab will test for more than 60 common compounds. You can also ask for Tentatively Identifiable Compounds (TIC's) on your Chain of Custody, for a minimal additional charge, I think $25 or so. I use EMSL in New Jersey because their chemist is helpful with interpreting results but I'm sure other labs offer similar services. Sometimes it's not just the LEVEL of a compound but the combination of 2 or more, which individually would not cause symptoms but together can be toxic. Particle counts may also guide you as to what else you should test. Any insulation in that metal roof ? e Indoor Environmental Testing Inc. RE: Organic Vapors > > > Dear Group Members, > > I'm involved in a project at a mail sorting facility that has had employee complaints of flu-like symptoms. As part of the battery of testing I am conducting I had hoped to test for a broad spectrum of organic vapors, like NIOsh 1501. The lab I'm planning on using for this work tells me I have to tell them the specific compound or compounds to be analyzed. When I said run the Group A & B compounds, they replied we probably couldn't afford the cost! Am I missing something here? > > Also plan on using a Dust Trak 8520, Hazmat Detector, TSI Q Trak Plus and a Quad gas meter. > > The interior of the building is painted cinder block with a metal pan roof so my initial assessment does not involve mold, however I may consider some bacterial. > > Your thoughts would be appreciated. > > Regards, > > > Gray > Vice President > Environmental Services > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 We have used Air Toxics Limited () for T0-14 and TO-15 analysis of our urban ambient air toxics samples for many years. Other labs previously, and we go out for new bids every three years. We've been very satisfied with ATL. Curtis-----Original Message-----From: iequality [mailto:iequality ]On Behalf Of Tony HavicsSent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:37 AMTo: iequality Subject: RE: RE: Organic VaporsDitto on the TO-15 with a Summa canister if you are trying get a broad base. Cost:$250-300 for analysis$35 for the canister use$40-50 each way for shipping Labs: PaceEnvironmental Science Corp I've used others but not that happy with turnaround on report If you know more clearly what you want in a grouping try Galson Labs and one of there group packages with a pump and adsorption tube. Tony.......................................................................... "Tony" Havics, CHMM, CIH, PEpH2, LLCPO Box 34140Indianapolis, IN 46234 cell90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any consultant can give you the other 10%â„ This message is from pH2. This message and any attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information, and are intended only for the individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you are not the addressee, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, you are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute this message and any attachments, and we ask that you please delete this message and attachments (including all copies) and notify the sender by return e-mail or by phone at . Delivery of this message and any attachments to any person other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive confidentiality or a privilege. All personal messages express views only of the sender, which are not to be attributed to pH2 and may not be copied or distributed without this statement.-----Original Message-----From: iequality [mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of AirwaysEnv@...Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:05 AMTo: iequality Subject: Re: RE: Organic Vapors The interior of the building is painted cinder block with a metal pan roof so my initial assessment does not involve mold, however I may consider some bacterial. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Here's one thought: Look for reservoirs of organic dust (lots of paper dust in a mail facility) that are, or had been, wet -- even on high superstructure surfaces. Have a dust sample cultured. Or just recommend that it all be professionally cleaned.I don't know enough detail to comment on the lab charges. Consider TO-15 Summa canister analysis for VOCs. Shop labs.Steve Temes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Bill, Is this sorting facility using the new sorters? Some of these had some odor problems from the new computer controllers. Also, check out if they humidify their air supply. ........ Post offices have instituted vacuum only cleaning-no more blown downs. Check how the vacuums are maintained and what is maybe growing in them. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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