Guest guest Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Good Morning Karmen,I use the Seca 354 and I purchased it from www.scalesgalore.com . It runs about $175.00 and the carrying case is $75.00. For an IBCLC PP just starting out this isa great little scale. I suggest you go to the site and read the info on it. Good company to deal with also. Gets it out to you fast. Good customer service.Please feel free to contact me with questions directly...bfairy1@....Good luck in getting your PP started!Vicki J CarlsonCoastal Breastfeeding ServicesOak Island, North Carolina To: From: karman.romero@...Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:12:20 +0000Subject: baby scales Can any one recommend a baby scale and the price you paid for it. I looked on some websites suggested in 's book One of Tanita scales looked really good but it was over $800 and since I am just starting out I would rather find a better value. The next step down is almost $300 I think I can handle that one but it only weighs 0.5oz increments not sure if that will be accurate enough. All thoughts and suggestions are appreciated. I am so excited for my business to get started. I got my NPI# and EIN# and ordered Pat LC CD product for the super bill and other forms. I think this will be very useful. I am so grateful I am coming after so many Great IBCLCs who have laid the ground work. I have learned a lot from being part of this group and really appreciate the discussions. I am going to conference Wednesday in Omaha if anyone else is going let me know as I would love to talk to one of you in person. Again any and all advice appreciated for a new PPLC. Thanks Karman Romero Kearney, MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Hi All, Really enjoying the conversation on sleep – or lack thereof. I am NOT impressed with the Sleep Lady, but I do like the No Cry Sleep Solution. Some of the things that come to mind for me are comments from Drs and such that babies at whatever age no longer need the calories at night so they should wean or drop night feedings. However, we know this is not true. Babies are growing like crazy and absolutely DO need their calories at night to continue that growth process. I tell my moms that since babies are growing so fast, and their brains are growing so fast (through 21 months of age!) and need so many calories to support that growth does it make sense that they should be able to easily go 8-12 hours without eating? Can WE go easily 8-12 hours without eating? Nope. Then why should a baby? And how many of us wake up at night hungry? We can purposefully choose to NOT eat – but a baby NEEDS to eat. Now add to that baby’s life the fact mom is gone working – she is gone 8-10 hours – or more. Baby NEEDS to reconnect with mom. Nursing is part of that reconnection. It is imperative that the baby’s needs be met as best as possible by mom. Period. Yes I know mom needs to sleep too…I absolutely get that. But there has to be a middle ground for both. Eliminating night nursing and reducing calories can affect baby’s growth and emotional development – it may be subtle, but it can happen. The other comment Drs in my area make is to put the baby on formula – we know that they will still need to eat though (they need those calories!!) and for some while they may sleep longer the formula, as we now know, can have some serious impacts on long term health. How many of us were raised on formula (that would NOT be considered safe for consumption today) and have health issues?? I know I am one… For me, the worst thing anyone can say to a mom regarding sleep and nighttime nursing is that babies don’t need the calories, so wean them and at the same, neglect to mention that baby needs to reconnect with mom - and that includes those babies whose moms are home with them all day, but baby is so damn busy they don’t eat much and don’t pay much attention to mom – they pick up that slack at night. J Moms need to know what is normal age appropriate behavior and what babies NEED. The expectations of a baby sleeping 12 hours at night are unrealistic and when we help moms see what is real and adjust their expectations…it helps – A LOT! And we as LC’s MUST remember that if we did things differently years ago (as I did with kid #1) that we make sure we talk about the evidence we know TODAY – not what we did years ago that we thought was right…or that we may still believe… One may believe that babies don’t need to nurse anymore at nighttime but the evidence says otherwise…and age does not matter. If a two yr old is asking to nurse in the middle of the night, there is likely a damn good reason for it – they NEED it. They may nurse frequently out of boredom during the day, but at night, they are not in that conscious mind thinking “I’m bored, I’ll nurse for something to do…”. Warmly, Jaye Sleep deprived and exhausted – with no kid to blame… Jaye Simpson, IBCLC, CIIM Breastfeeding Network Sacramento, CA www.breastfeedingnetwork.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Hello, Karman. Search the archives of this group. If you put "scale" in the search line for subject, you can get 221 posts since Jan 1, 2009. Scales are frequently discussed. You will see why most of us feel that a scale only accurate to 1/2 oz is not sufficient for accurately measuring feeding intake. Dee Kassing Subject: baby scalesTo: Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:12 PM Can any one recommend a baby scale and the price you paid for it. I looked on some websites suggested in 's book One of Tanita scales looked really good but it was over $800 and since I am just starting out I would rather find a better value. The next step down is almost $300 I think I can handle that one but it only weighs 0.5oz increments not sure if that will be accurate enough. All thoughts and suggestions are appreciated.I am so excited for my business to get started. I got my NPI# and EIN# and ordered Pat LC CD product for the super bill and other forms. I think this will be very useful. I am so grateful I am coming after so many Great IBCLCs who have laid the ground work. I have learned a lot from being part of this group and really appreciate the discussions. I am going to conference Wednesday in Omaha if anyone else is going let me know as I would love to talk to one of you in person. Again any and all advice appreciated for a new PPLC.ThanksKarman RomeroKearney, MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 One more factor contributing to a new mother's lack of sleep is the awful " Don't sleep with your baby " campaign. I wish that it was easy to teach about safe bed-sharing without having to use code words and euphemisms to avoid conflict with the powers that be. This struggle dilutes our message. warmly, Nikki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 I agree with Dee, an archive search will bring up a lot on scales. I will also say that we all have tools of the trade and a quality scale is one tool I feel LCs really need. If you can’t afford a high end one, rent one until you can invest in one. A lower end scale won’t be sufficient in my opinion. ON a personal note, I have the high end Tanita and love it. Cole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Dear all: I have to agree with Dee on this particular issue regarding scales. In most cases I go for the least expensive tool that will get the job done. For some items, however, you get what you pay for. This is true for many pumps except the Free Style Pump, which is more expensive but has too small a motor to work well for many moms. If you are assessing intake, you really need a scale that is accurate to 0.1 ml or 2 g. If your scale has an error rate of 0.5 oz, this means that a baby who took 1.5 ounces may appear to have taken 2 ounces, or may appear to have taken 1 ounce with such a scale. I am really quite frustrated lately with the inability of some practitioners to assess intake. Even if you don't assess intake with a scale, you should be able to have at least some idea by watching swallows. The research uniformly shows that observing swallows is NOT as accurate, but at least it is something. In addition to the NINE complaints I had in two weeks from one group in Manhattan, I have had subsequent complaints from mothers coming into my groups about not having the intake assessed. The assumption that moms report being told is " the baby gained weight " --- which was with supplementation. Just because a baby gains weight while being supplemented does not mean that they are now magically able to drive a milk supply. Assessing intake is part of our clinical competancies. We should be able to do more than just adjust how a baby attach. In addition, I had a mom with plugged ducts who was told " rest the breast " and told not to pump. So of course she is now in EVEN MORE PAIN and the supply has dropped. This appear to have come from an IBCLC who thinks telling a mother to pump is optional -- only if she wants to do it --- not as part of evidence based practice -- so that the mother is AWARE of the consequences of not pumping. Best regards, E. Burger, MHS, PhD, IBCLC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Jan forgive me. I have a really bad cold and my brain is very fuzzy. Actually, the scale is accurate to 0.1 OUNCE which is 2 grams or about 2 ml. You are right -- that would be impossibly tiny. sburgernutr@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Hi Jan: Just to let you know I ALWAYS practice with a scale for the very same reason that you practice with a scale. Too many stealth feaders and fakers out there. BUT there are many who choose not to practice with a scale or, as I recently had one mother report to me, are told " the scale will make you anxious " . I had someone justify NOT weighing a baby who really needed to know how much her baby was taking to make a sensible decision about further pumping or not. I asked the mom if at least the LC in question had tried to assess swallows and she had not. I don't really think observing swallows is sufficient, but at least it is better than not assessing intake at all. Best regards, E Burger, MHS, PhD, IBCLC NYLCA President sburgernutr@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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