Re: How i recovered. I did it!!!

[Guest guest]

Whoever gets in touch with the doctor first to get the herbal mixture,

please post it here. If someone with a scientific background and/or

background in Mandarin could contact that doctor so we can make sure

that we get the exact formula. Also, we need to know if the herbal

formula would change depending on the person's weight etc., depending

on the specific type of SSRI or other psychiatric drugs they took,

etc. etc.

>

> Do not ring the surgery guys, it would get too much for him poor

> doctor. Here is the email i sent to Zant just today. So Vornan can

> you take that (01484)480222 number off.

>

> The number to ring is 07752921649.

>

>

>

>

> Zant,

>

> OOOOOPS...Doctor does not want anyone ringing the surgery number if

> you only want those tablets posted out, ring the surgery number i

> gave in previous email only if you want to make appointment to see

> the doctor, otherwise he does not want to be innundated with calls

> and be disturbed during surgery hours. So don't share the Doctors

> telephone number with the group.

>

> If you simply want the herbs posted out ring on this number

> 07752921649 it is a U.K. number so you need the right code if you

> are from abroad.

>

> Again, do not tring the surgery number if you only want the herbs

> posted out, ring the surgery one only if you want to SEE the doctor,

> otherwise he has said he does not want to be innundated with calls

> and be disturbed during surgery hours. So dont share that first tel

> number with rest of group, imagine a thousand people ringing whilst

> doctor is treating patients and other patients are waiting!!. If

> people want to SEE the doctor then they can go through that number i

> have just given above and then get his surgery number, it saves

> disruption of his surgery. Tell this to everyone that asks. You can

> help me in helping the rest.

>

> Thanks.

>

> I wish u the best in recovery.

>

> Mo

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> ----------

>

> To: mo_attif

> Sent: Friday, 2 January, 2009 23:04:21

> Subject: PSSD Recovery

>

> mo_attif,

>

> Congrats on your recovery. Did you post under a different name here

> years ago? Could you tell me the name and location of this doctor

> that helped you? I've had this problem since 1997 and have little

> hope other than this right now.

>

[Guest guest]

Im guessing the formula this guy is prescribing is not unique. If we

figured out the chinese name of the formula and the ingredients im

sure we could get a local chinese herbalist to make it up or order it

from an online dispensary.

[Guest guest]

Hi Mo,

Great recovery. Do you plan on continuing treatment from him a little

longer. Maybe it would continue to smooth everything out.

[Guest guest]

2 things.

Firstly, will people not email me please. I have so many emails!

Secondly, I got a call from the doctor telling me to get people to

use the email only tcm.renji@....

Already his one assistant has been so overwhelemed with calls no

time, too much! They are so surprised at what has happened so quick

and that many phone calls! They never realised it was gonna be this

big. Giving the phone number was i suppose the wrong move, i think he

forgot, this is the net, viewed by thousands upon thousands. Magic of

the net!

This now is the procedure.

He will post out herbs. You email the following.

tcm.renji@...

Give your name and FULL postal address.

He will NOT see anyone first, he will simply give out a standard 2

month course. If, after doing the 2 month course, for some reason you

need to see the doctor then you make an appointment by emailing him.

With this level of demand, he cannot see everyone that wants to be

seen, nor speak to everyone. So only email now please. He is certain

the herbs will sort everybody out anyway but will see people by

appointment if people have not responded.

Thank You

[Guest guest]

Alan,

They got so overwhelmed within hours that they want everyone to go

via email now. tcm.renji@... He had about 20 people set up

for ringing Monday morning for an appointment and then it got

ridiculous!!. So, he is not gonna see anyone yet cos he can't cope

with it all BUT you will still get the herbs and then he will take it

from there.

Sorry.

Email tcm.renji@... explain situation briefly. Give name and

full postal address.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > From: mo_attif <mo_attif@>

> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: How i recovered. I did

it!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > To: SSRIsex <mailto:SSRIsex%

> > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>

> > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 4:28 AM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Went to a tcm doctor, he looked at my tounge,

took my

> > > > > > > pulse.

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > told

> > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > about ssri use and lack of libido. He said

they have

> > > > > caused

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > imbalance. Gave me some tablets to build up

whatever

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > lacking.

> > > > > > > > > > Jing

> > > > > > > > > > > or jin or something i cant remeber gets

depleted and

> > > > > needs

> > > > > > > > > building

> > > > > > > > > > up.

> > > > > > > > > > > I am now normal. I only took one tablet every

seven

> > > > > days. I

> > > > > > > > > noticed

> > > > > > > > > > > within seven days changes taking place.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Previously i suffered for 2.5 years starting

with

> > > > > complete

> > > > > > > > > > impotence,

> > > > > > > > > > > took herbals that gave me erections, made

very slow

> > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > lacked libido until now. To think it was only

needed

> > > > to

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > specialist in herbal medicine and i would have

> > > > > recovered

> > > > > > > > maybe

> > > > > > > > > > > straightaway.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > BUT, is it going to be permanent? so far so

good,

> > > > feel

> > > > > > > normal

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > libido, erections natural.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyone been to TCM practitioners? What are

your

> > > > > expereinces?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I’m just curious how much the 2 month course costs. Obviously,

this is something I’m willing to spend money on to fix, but, I would be

interested to know in advance, as with this economy, I’d like to see how it

will impact my budget and work around it.

Any indication of the cost? How much did it cost you Mo?

From:

SSRIsex [mailto:SSRIsex ] On Behalf Of mo_attif

Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:58 PM

To: SSRIsex

Subject: Re: How i recovered. I did it!!!

Alan,

They got so overwhelmed within hours that they want everyone to go

via email now. tcm.renji@...

He had about 20 people set up

for ringing Monday morning for an appointment and then it got

ridiculous!!. So, he is not gonna see anyone yet cos he can't cope

with it all BUT you will still get the herbs and then he will take it

from there.

Sorry.

Email tcm.renji@...

explain situation briefly. Give name and

full postal address.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > From: mo_attif

<mo_attif@>

> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: How i

recovered. I did

it!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > To: SSRIsex <mailto:SSRIsex%

> > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>

> > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January

1, 2009, 4:28 AM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Went to a tcm doctor, he

looked at my tounge,

took my

> > > > > > > pulse.

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > told

> > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > about ssri use and lack

of libido. He said

they have

> > > > > caused

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > imbalance. Gave me some

tablets to build up

whatever

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > lacking.

> > > > > > > > > > Jing

> > > > > > > > > > > or jin or something i

cant remeber gets

depleted and

> > > > > needs

> > > > > > > > > building

> > > > > > > > > > up.

> > > > > > > > > > > I am now normal. I only

took one tablet every

seven

> > > > > days. I

> > > > > > > > > noticed

> > > > > > > > > > > within seven days

changes taking place.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Previously i suffered

for 2.5 years starting

with

> > > > > complete

> > > > > > > > > > impotence,

> > > > > > > > > > > took herbals that gave

me erections, made

very slow

> > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > lacked libido until now.

To think it was only

needed

> > > > to

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > specialist in herbal

medicine and i would have

> > > > > recovered

> > > > > > > > maybe

> > > > > > > > > > > straightaway.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > BUT, is it going to be

permanent? so far so

good,

> > > > feel

> > > > > > > normal

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > libido, erections

natural.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyone been to TCM

practitioners? What are

your

> > > > > expereinces?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

What other symptoms besides PSSD were you experiencing mo? I know for

me I have insomnia, lack of motivation, depression, blunted emotions

etc. Did the tablets also fix your other symptoms as well?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > From: mo_attif <mo_attif@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: How i recovered. I did

> it!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > To: SSRIsex

> <mailto:SSRIsex%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:SSRIsex%

> > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>

> > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 4:28 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Went to a tcm doctor, he looked at my tounge,

> took my

> > > > > > > > pulse.

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > told

> > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > about ssri use and lack of libido. He said

> they have

> > > > > > caused

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > imbalance. Gave me some tablets to build up

> whatever

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > lacking.

> > > > > > > > > > > Jing

> > > > > > > > > > > > or jin or something i cant remeber gets

> depleted and

> > > > > > needs

> > > > > > > > > > building

> > > > > > > > > > > up.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am now normal. I only took one tablet every

> seven

> > > > > > days. I

> > > > > > > > > > noticed

> > > > > > > > > > > > within seven days changes taking place.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Previously i suffered for 2.5 years starting

> with

> > > > > > complete

> > > > > > > > > > > impotence,

> > > > > > > > > > > > took herbals that gave me erections, made

> very slow

> > > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > lacked libido until now. To think it was only

> needed

> > > > > to

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > specialist in herbal medicine and i would have

> > > > > > recovered

> > > > > > > > > maybe

> > > > > > > > > > > > straightaway.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, is it going to be permanent? so far so

> good,

> > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > normal

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > libido, erections natural.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone been to TCM practitioners? What are

> your

> > > > > > expereinces?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

thanks Zant.this is a very important question.Mo please tell us what other lasting side effects did you have from ssri's and did all those improve as well. and what I'm personally interested is did you have blunted emotions?or any cognitive functioning problems as a result of ssri's and did they improve? Mo please give us all the details of your story. it might be important even beyond PSSD.

and Vornan, please do call the doctor on behalf of all of us, get as much information as possible, and then post it here. I do understand its pointless all of us to call and make he doctor mad. But also I think you should call! I'm looking forward to see where all this will take us.. God have mercy..don't make me shoot myself like did!

Subject: Re: How i recovered. I did it!!!To: SSRIsex Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 8:33 PM

What other symptoms besides PSSD were you experiencing mo? I know forme I have insomnia, lack of motivation, depression, blunted emotionsetc. Did the tablets also fix your other symptoms as well?> > > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > > > From: mo_attif <mo_attif@>> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: How i recovered. I did > it!!!> > > > > > > > > > > > To: SSRIsex@yahoogroups .com> <mailto:SSRIsex% 40yahoogroups. com> <mailto:SSRIsex%> > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 4:28 AM> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Went to a tcm doctor, he looked at my tounge, > took my> > > > > > > > pulse.> > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > told> > > > > > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > > > > about ssri use and lack of libido. He said > they have> > > > > > caused> > > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > > imbalance. Gave me some tablets to build up > whatever> > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > lacking.> > > > > > > > > > > Jing> > > > > > > > > > > > or jin or something

i cant remeber gets > depleted and> > > > > > needs> > > > > > > > > > building> > > > > > > > > > > up.> > > > > > > > > > > > I am now normal. I only took one tablet every > seven> > > > > > days. I> > > > > > > > > > noticed> > > > > > > > > > > > within seven days changes taking place.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Previously i suffered for 2.5 years starting > with> > > > > > complete> > > > > > > > > > > impotence,> > > > > > > > > > > > took herbals that gave me erections, made > very slow> >

> > > > > > progress> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > always> > > > > > > > > > > > lacked libido until now. To think it was only > needed> > > > > to> > > > > > see> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > specialist in herbal medicine and i would have> > > > > > recovered> > > > > > > > > maybe> > > > > > > > > > > > straightaway.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, is it going to be permanent? so far so > good,> > > > > feel> > > > > > > > normal> > >

> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > libido, erections natural.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone been to TCM practitioners? What are > your> > > > > > expereinces?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

I'm just curious what makes the doctor certain that his pills will cure everyone? Would 'one size fit all' really? I mean I sure hope so, but what makes him certain? Mo, did the doctor know about PSSD before you told him about it? What specifically did he say about the condition?

[Guest guest]

Bioroid,

cost me for 2 months usage - £125, so works out about £60 for 4

weeks. You won't need more than 2 months. I dont know what he will

charge you guys and what his prices are now. I imagine they would be

the same cos he is a genuine, ethical guy and does not seem the type

to hike prices in the face of demand, he is in the business of

helping people as well as earning his living. To him its a balance.

One of the rare guys i met that wanted to make a difference to people

affected by western drugs and diseases. He is making a good living

anyway is very very busy just through word of mouth.

email him

tcm.renji@...

give him your details if you want to buy and he will tell you how

much it is and how to pay.

Mo

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > From: mo_attif <mo_attif@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: How i recovered. I did

> it!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > To: SSRIsex

> <mailto:SSRIsex%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:SSRIsex%

> > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>

> > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 4:28 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Went to a tcm doctor, he looked at my tounge,

> took my

> > > > > > > > pulse.

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > told

> > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > about ssri use and lack of libido. He said

> they have

> > > > > > caused

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > imbalance. Gave me some tablets to build up

> whatever

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > lacking.

> > > > > > > > > > > Jing

> > > > > > > > > > > > or jin or something i cant remeber gets

> depleted and

> > > > > > needs

> > > > > > > > > > building

> > > > > > > > > > > up.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am now normal. I only took one tablet every

> seven

> > > > > > days. I

> > > > > > > > > > noticed

> > > > > > > > > > > > within seven days changes taking place.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Previously i suffered for 2.5 years starting

> with

> > > > > > complete

> > > > > > > > > > > impotence,

> > > > > > > > > > > > took herbals that gave me erections, made

> very slow

> > > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > lacked libido until now. To think it was only

> needed

> > > > > to

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > specialist in herbal medicine and i would have

> > > > > > recovered

> > > > > > > > > maybe

> > > > > > > > > > > > straightaway.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, is it going to be permanent? so far so

> good,

> > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > normal

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > libido, erections natural.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone been to TCM practitioners? What are

> your

> > > > > > expereinces?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

He did say he has the herbs to sort out depression in TCM and undo

anti depressant related effects on mind, but the libido was helped by

this one he gave. I have taken the other antidepressant TCM herbs and

they work. What works best though is resolving issues, Inner

conflicts, Cognitive Behavioural Theraphy and herbs combined, roots

out depression and anxiety. The anti-depressant herbs calm you down,

cut out circular arguments, make you content and peaceful. The libido

one he said needs to be ideally combined but i took only the libido

one first. Then i did the whole lot.

look, email and tell him what you want and he will post out in first

instance, then if problems persist he will arrange to see you, he

cant be doing appointments with everyone. He claims that for these

symptoms, its the same herbs.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: mo_attif <mo_attif@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: How i recovered. I did

> > it!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: SSRIsex@yahoogroups .com

> > <mailto:SSRIsex% 40yahoogroups. com> <mailto:SSRIsex%

> > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 4:28 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Went to a tcm doctor, he looked at my

tounge,

> > took my

> > > > > > > > > pulse.

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > told

> > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > about ssri use and lack of libido. He said

> > they have

> > > > > > > caused

> > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > imbalance. Gave me some tablets to build up

> > whatever

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > lacking.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or jin or something i cant remeber gets

> > depleted and

> > > > > > > needs

> > > > > > > > > > > building

> > > > > > > > > > > > up.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am now normal. I only took one tablet

every

> > seven

> > > > > > > days. I

> > > > > > > > > > > noticed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > within seven days changes taking place.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Previously i suffered for 2.5 years

starting

> > with

> > > > > > > complete

> > > > > > > > > > > > impotence,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > took herbals that gave me erections, made

> > very slow

> > > > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lacked libido until now. To think it was

only

> > needed

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > specialist in herbal medicine and i would

have

> > > > > > > recovered

> > > > > > > > > > maybe

> > > > > > > > > > > > > straightaway.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, is it going to be permanent? so far so

> > good,

> > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > > normal

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > libido, erections natural.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone been to TCM practitioners? What are

> > your

> > > > > > > expereinces?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

same symptoms, its the same herbs. Everyone has the same imbalance if

done by the SAME means (through SSRI use etc). He cant see everybody,

too many, cant cope, and it is not convenient for everybody to come see

doctor. The convenient way is first step try herbs, if still not

resolved then see doctor.

Look, just email and take it from there but keep it brief.

>

> I'm just curious what makes the doctor certain that his pills will

cure everyone? Would 'one size fit all' really? I mean I sure hope so,

but what makes him certain? Mo, did the doctor know about PSSD before

you told him about it? What specifically did he say about the condition?

>

[Guest guest]

i did his antidepressant herbs as well as this libido / PSSD tablets.

They worked, along with Cognitive Behavioural Therapy, in curing my

depression without any side effects. Infact they increased my libido

and sexual abilities.....because i was relaxed and content. Overcoming

inner conflicts and building ability to cope is the key to preventing a

relapse. The herbs will balance your mind and able you to feel normal

without side effects. When you are faced with a huge huge loss, you get

sad, your appetite goes, you dont sleep....this is imbalance due to

stress. Same like depression. The herbs relax you, make you feel normal

and it is a normal feeling you get as your brain gets recaliberated.

BUT, if you keep on the thoughts and actions that caused the imbalance

you will relapse. So, CBT or building ability to cope, solving inner

conflicts will prevent imbalances in future.

>

> Hi Mo,

>

> Great recovery. Do you plan on continuing treatment from him a little

> longer. Maybe it would continue to smooth everything out.

>

[Guest guest]

hopefully when someone receives a box of these pills, they can post what they are, because it might be possible for each of us to find a source locally, at a local chinese medical practitioner. It works out to about $300 CAD based on your price quote, which is gonna be tough to cover for me right now, so it might be possible to find someone locally that might be cheaper.

Mo, did you complete the two month course? How long ago? Are you still feeling fine and doing well? I am worried that after the 2 month course that the effects might slowly wear off or the original imbalance return.

[Guest guest]

this seems like a new sexual revolution..lol..Mo tel your doctor if he cures PSSD he will be in the big book of history:)

Subject: Re: How i recovered. I did it!!!To: SSRIsex Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 12:45 AM

He did say he has the herbs to sort out depression in TCM and undo anti depressant related effects on mind, but the libido was helped by this one he gave. I have taken the other antidepressant TCM herbs and they work. What works best though is resolving issues, Inner conflicts, Cognitive Behavioural Theraphy and herbs combined, roots out depression and anxiety. The anti-depressant herbs calm you down, cut out circular arguments, make you content and peaceful. The libido one he said needs to be ideally combined but i took only the libido one first. Then i did the whole lot. look, email and tell him what you want and he will post out in first instance, then if problems persist he will arrange to see you, he cant be doing appointments with everyone. He claims that for these symptoms, its the same herbs.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: mo_attif <mo_attif@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: How i recovered. I did > > it!!!> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: SSRIsex@yahoogroups .com> > <mailto:SSRIsex% 40yahoogroups. com> <mailto:SSRIsex%> > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 4:28 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Went to a tcm doctor, he looked at my tounge, > > took my> > > > > > > > > pulse.> > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > told> > > > > > > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > > > > > about ssri use and lack of libido. He said > > they have> > > > > > > caused> > > > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > >

> imbalance. Gave me some tablets to build up > > whatever> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > lacking.> > > > > > > > > > > > Jing> > > > > > > > > > > > > or jin or something i cant remeber gets > > depleted and> > > > > > > needs> > > > > > > > > > > building> > > > > > > > > > > > up.> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am now normal. I only took one tablet every > > seven> > > > > > > days. I> > > > > > > > > > > noticed> > > > > > > > > > > > > within seven days changes taking place.> > > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Previously i suffered for 2.5 years starting > > with> > > > > > > complete> > > > > > > > > > > > impotence,> > > > > > > > > > > > > took herbals that gave me erections, made > > very slow> > > > > > > > > progress> > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > always> > > > > > > > > > > > > lacked libido until now. To think it was only > > needed> > > > > > to> > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > specialist in herbal medicine and i would

have> > > > > > > recovered> > > > > > > > > > maybe> > > > > > > > > > > > > straightaway.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, is it going to be permanent? so far so > > good,> > > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > normal> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > libido, erections natural.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone been to TCM practitioners? What are > > your> > > > > > > expereinces?> > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

To me this sounds a con, but suppose for people like us there is not much choice,I have heard about the yin yan stuff and about balencing them out and some of it does.  Certainly adaptogens do sound like a reasonable choice to make as they balance out the body but you can do yuor own research online to learn about them.  Personally I have had good results with ashwaganda and rodeola rosea.  That was to balance myself out then with maca to improve testosterone and hormon production, the ebenfits of maca is that it also contains tyroscine which is a dopamine precursor and of cours edopamine is one of the neurotransmitters for pleasure.  Excersise does help as well, I do not believe that there is a magic pill that can be taken to reverse the

symptoms and time itself is a healer.http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/showthread.php?t=32985Is a good thread that gave me hope and sort of explains dopamine downregulation.To: SSRIsex Sent: Sunday, 4 January, 2009 1:57:34Subject: Re: How i recovered. I did it!!!

Alan,

They got so overwhelmed within hours that they want everyone to go

via email now. tcm.renjiyahoo (DOT) co.uk He had about 20 people set up

for ringing Monday morning for an appointment and then it got

ridiculous!! . So, he is not gonna see anyone yet cos he can't cope

with it all BUT you will still get the herbs and then he will take it

from there.

Sorry.

Email tcm.renjiyahoo (DOT) co.uk explain situation briefly. Give name and

full postal address.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > From: mo_attif <mo_attif@>

> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: How i recovered. I did

it!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > To: SSRIsex@yahoogroups .com<mailto:SSRIsex%

> > > > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>

> > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 4:28 AM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Went to a tcm doctor, he looked at my tounge,

took my

> > > > > > > pulse.

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > told

> > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > about ssri use and lack of libido. He said

they have

> > > > > caused

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > imbalance. Gave me some tablets to build up

whatever

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > lacking.

> > > > > > > > > > Jing

> > > > > > > > > > > or jin or something i cant remeber gets

depleted and

> > > > > needs

> > > > > > > > > building

> > > > > > > > > > up.

> > > > > > > > > > > I am now normal. I only took one tablet every

seven

> > > > > days. I

> > > > > > > > > noticed

> > > > > > > > > > > within seven days changes taking place.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Previously i suffered for 2.5 years starting

with

> > > > > complete

> > > > > > > > > > impotence,

> > > > > > > > > > > took herbals that gave me erections, made

very slow

> > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > lacked libido until now. To think it was only

needed

> > > > to

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > specialist in herbal medicine and i would have

> > > > > recovered

> > > > > > > > maybe

> > > > > > > > > > > straightaway.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > BUT, is it going to be permanent? so far so

good,

> > > > feel

> > > > > > > normal

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > libido, erections natural.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyone been to TCM practitioners? What are

your

> > > > > expereinces?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I agree chris jack.It does sound a bit too good to be true.

There was a chinese doctor who had this site called actionlove which

claimed to have the answer for PSSD and that turned out to be a scam.

In any case we just have the one testimony. Hopefully others will be

able to corroborate.

SSRIs are powerful drugs and while I believe herbs are able to help a

complete cure sounds too good to be true! In any case chinese medicine

is unlikely to make things worse unlike some of the novel medications

like antipsychotics, wellbutrin and the other shit people are taking

and for a hundred or so it is worth a try.

I like to think to myself that the Chinese population would not be a

couple billion if their medicine didn't work, so if this stuff does

help the PSSD I may well decide to see a Chinese doctor about my

residual depression and insomnia

[Guest guest]

Guys there are plenty of legitimate TCM doctors across the country.

Just google and find someone that is board certified, preferably with

a specialty in reproductive health. I found one here in the RI area,

he's world renowned, does presentations across the country, and

creates his own herbal formulations.

Let's not get carried away and assume we've found a quick fix - keep

in mind we do not all share the exact same PSSD symptoms..each of us

may need our own unique treatment.

Though I do feel more hopeful than I did a few days ago..

Luther

>

>

> I agree chris jack.It does sound a bit too good to be true.

>

> There was a chinese doctor who had this site called actionlove

which

> claimed to have the answer for PSSD and that turned out to be a

scam.

> In any case we just have the one testimony. Hopefully others will be

> able to corroborate.

>

> SSRIs are powerful drugs and while I believe herbs are able to help

a

> complete cure sounds too good to be true! In any case chinese

medicine

> is unlikely to make things worse unlike some of the novel

medications

> like antipsychotics, wellbutrin and the other shit people are taking

> and for a hundred or so it is worth a try.

>

> I like to think to myself that the Chinese population would not be a

> couple billion if their medicine didn't work, so if this stuff does

> help the PSSD I may well decide to see a Chinese doctor about my

> residual depression and insomnia

>

[Guest guest]

Vornan I'm curious if you talked to the chinese doctor?

[Guest guest]

Yes, and also someone else reported success with Requip? I am not certain of the spelling, I think it is a drug prescribed for Restless Leg Syndrome. I should know this as I had RLS until I had a Chiropractic adjustment to my C1 3 years ago and the RLS disappeared.

Am I correct? Is this the drug that cured someone's PSSD ReQuip ?

Judy

Re: How i recovered. I did it!!!

About TCM:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_medicine

> >> > > > I agree chris jack.It does sound a bit too good to be true. > > > > There was a chinese doctor who had this site called actionlove > which> > claimed to have the answer for PSSD and that turned out to be a > scam.> > In any case we just have the one testimony. Hopefully others will be> > able to corroborate.> > > > SSRIs are powerful drugs and while I believe herbs are able to help > a> > complete cure sounds too good to be true! In any case chinese > medicine> > is unlikely to make things worse unlike some of the novel > medications> > like antipsychotics, wellbutrin and the other shit people are taking> > and for a hundred or so it is worth a try.> > > > I like to think to myself that the Chinese population would not be a> > couple billion if their medicine didn't work, so if this stuff does> > help the PSSD I may well decide to see a Chinese doctor about my> > residual depression and insomnia> >>

[Guest guest]

But you don't recall WHAT it was he gave you? Jing or Jin or

something??? That doesn't help now does it?

>

> Went to a tcm doctor, he looked at my tounge, took my pulse. I told him

> about ssri use and lack of libido. He said they have caused an

> imbalance. Gave me some tablets to build up whatever was lacking. Jing

> or jin or something i cant remeber gets depleted and needs building up.

> I am now normal. I only took one tablet every seven days. I noticed

> within seven days changes taking place.

>

> Previously i suffered for 2.5 years starting with complete impotence,

> took herbals that gave me erections, made very slow progress but always

> lacked libido until now. To think it was only needed to see a

> specialist in herbal medicine and i would have recovered maybe

> straightaway.

>

> BUT, is it going to be permanent? so far so good, feel normal and

> libido, erections natural.

>

> Anyone been to TCM practitioners? What are your expereinces?

>

[Guest guest]

Just go here and search for one in your area. I'd be very surprised if

the actionlove " doc " shows up here.

http://www.nccaom.org/

Luther

[Guest guest]

Guys, we have a track.

Congratulations Mo. If research will start on the subject of PSSD,

your case could be a major lead for scientists with possibly global

relevance. Would you please reveal some more information about your

former SSRI-use and relevant time intervals?

It seems to make sense that also PSSD patients in other countries seek

help from a registered licensed TCM-practitioner. I hope that PSSD

patients that email to dr. Lin will ask him one or more of the

following questions and will accurately post his answers in this

support group:

How many patients are totally cured by dr. Lin from obvious PSSD?

What was the exact and full name of the diagnosis that caused Mo's

PSSD according to TCM? A Chinese name can be translated to English by

a professional translator or bilingual TCM practitioner.

What is the exact and full name of all the different diagnoses that

may cause PSSD according to traditional chinese medicine?

According to which exact branch/school of TCM was MO's PSSD

sucessfully treated?

What is the exact description of Mo's treatment? I mean the exact name

and family of admitted herbs, daily dose, strength, and period of

treatment.

Which parts of the plants were used? Roots, stems, leafs, seeds or

flowers?

How were these herbs processed and admitted?

What other factors are necessary for successful treatment of PSSD with

TCM?

In which exact sources of information can this TCM treatment for PSSD

be found? I mean referrals to book titles with author, publisher and

year, websites or articles in TCM-journals etc.

I realise that dr. Lin may be not happy if all these questions are

fired at him in these words in one email or visit. He might possibly

feel interrogated and disrespected. I think these are important

questions though, to keep in mind.

[Guest guest]

I have the same concern voiced by others in that our symptoms are a bit

different and several people have found cures or help through different

means. While a TCM doctor may have cured someone it does not mean that

the same exact herb(s) is the miracle cure for all of us. I would be

willing to try the combination used with success by " mo_attif " but with

guarded optimism: I am very happy for him and hope I find the solution

for my suffering.

I am of the opinion that we must as a group be vocal and get the

message out that there is a real phenomenon out there called PSSD. That

article in the Boston Globe may be quickly forgotten by people that do

not suffer and that is what big pharma would like.

lightsoutluther wrote:

>

>

>

> Guys there are plenty of legitimate TCM doctors across the country.

> Just google and find someone that is board certified, preferably with

> a specialty in reproductive health. I found one here in the RI area,

> he's world renowned, does presentations across the country, and

> creates his own herbal formulations.

>

> Let's not get carried away and assume we've found a quick fix - keep

> in mind we do not all share the exact same PSSD symptoms..each of us

> may need our own unique treatment.

>

> Though I do feel more hopeful than I did a few days ago..

>

> Luther

>

>

> >

> >

> > I agree chris jack.It does sound a bit too good to be true.

> >

> > There was a chinese doctor who had this site called actionlove

> which

> > claimed to have the answer for PSSD and that turned out to be a

> scam.

> > In any case we just have the one testimony. Hopefully others will be

> > able to corroborate.

> >

> > SSRIs are powerful drugs and while I believe herbs are able to help

> a

> > complete cure sounds too good to be true! In any case chinese

> medicine

> > is unlikely to make things worse unlike some of the novel

> medications

> > like antipsychotics, wellbutrin and the other shit people are taking

> > and for a hundred or so it is worth a try.

> >

> > I like to think to myself that the Chinese population would not be a

> > couple billion if their medicine didn't work, so if this stuff does

> > help the PSSD I may well decide to see a Chinese doctor about my

> > residual depression and insomnia

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

No, I haven't. I will call or email him some time this week. It would

be great if this were a cure-all for PSSD, but as others have pointed

out, just because this worked for Mo, doesn't mean it will work for

everybody else. It could turn out to be something important, but we

won't know until more people have tried it.

Vornan

>

> Vornan I'm curious if you talked to the chinese doctor?

>