Re: Reservations - dr sanjay?

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dear sanjay

i have read all what you write in those mails.i must say you have lots of data

at hand trying to favour something which in your heart of hearts you know is

wrong. i just want to ask you a simple question....if you belong to one of those

so called bacward castes and have achieved what you are today....would you use

that certificate of yours for your son or daughter to gain admission to a

college?

with regards

rakesh khera

86 batch

Sanjay Prakash wrote:

Shah wrote: Dear Sanjay,

What you have written is eloquent, but with no logic.

Let us consider each of your points.

You say that Dalit atrocities continue till date.

Very true. So is the solution giving more seats in PG to them, or is the

solution increasing law and order? You have lumped female foeticide with

reservation. Is this a crime restricted only to reserved / or non-reserved

people?

You say that only people with pull get jobs and not the meritous.

Then giving them more seats is self defeating. If after passing, they are

anyway kept away from jobs, what is the logic in reserving more seats. I

personally think that with reservations in all elected bodies, it is this

category with more pull.

You say that Merit comes not from marks, but from opportunities, which are

not given to reserved category people.

For lack of any other objective yard stick, we have made marks the only

criterion. How can you measure lack of opportunity? If that is the hurdle

you want to do away with, then reservation is only defeating it, by creating

a sub class of reserved category which has better opportunities and is

competing against the people who have no opportunities.

I agree with you that no study was done to prove that reserved people had

less brain than open category ones. That is because this is self evident. In

fact, the main logic behind reservation is that this category has less

brains and hence cannot compete in a fair competition with other open

candidates, so have to be granted special privileges to come up. Can you

guess how many reserved category students go abroad? Hardly any. Why? Not

because they are more patriotic, but because all entrance tests abroad are

merit based.

You ask what have meritorious students given to India.

Well, to name a few:

Azim Premji, Ratan Tata, Birla, APJ Abul Kalaam, Homi Bhabha,

Narayanamurthy, etc.

Conversely, let me ask what have all those students, who benefited from

reservations given to India in the 50 years of reservations? Oh yes - a

corruption riddled beaurocracy which is dominated by reservations.

India now has no right to complain of brain drain. If you create hurdles of

caste everywhere, is it any wonder that people migrate?

Until I appeared for my Medical entrance exams, I was quite oblivious to the

concept of caste. That year was when I first became aware that I was less

privileged just because I was born in an upper caste. I was being punished

everywhere because some fore father of mine committed some atrocity in the

remote past against some unknown Dalit!

Kishore Shah 1974

Dear Shah Sir (and everybody),

The logic behind my previous discussion can be understood by the

following facts which are not blind presumptions. Allow me to give some facts

about merit in medical colleges of Tamil Nadu…………….

According to a report in The Hindu, in 2004, students belonging to the

Backward Class (BC) or Most Backward Classes (MBC) took 952 of the 1,224 seats

in 12 government medical colleges in Tamil Nadu (77.9 per cent).

The first 14 ranks in the medical admissions went to BC/MBC students. Even in

the open competition category, five Scheduled Caste candidates got into the MBBS

course that year.

The final tally released by the Directorate of Medical Education, however,

shows that only 28 students from the `non-reserved' or Forward Caste (FC) got

into government medical colleges, representing about 2.3 per cent.

In fact, of the top 400 rank-holders, only 31 are from a FC. In the top 100

rank-holders, only six are from an FC, 79 from a BC and 13 from an MBC (The

Hindu dated 23-08-2004).

You said you were punished everywhere because some forefather of yours

committed some atrocity in remote past against some unknown dalit. Please do try

to read the dates on the few crimes I have listed! But perhaps these crimes are

acceptable?

You said we have a corruption riddled beaurocracy, I totally agree with that.

But do you know the percentage of reserved candidates in higher

posts……………………………… It is 7 – 10%(NSS ). I personally think that intelligence or

work ethics are not related to castes but reversing the ratio might help.

Of all the names of great people you have mentioned, majority of

industrialists got their wealth in inheritance.

Dear Lalit taori sir, do you know of all the posts in central govt. only

12.55% are filled by OBCs and out of that a mere 4.3% of class I jobs (India

together, may 2006) are occupied by these. So if you are to reborn in a reserved

category these will be tour chances of getting a good job.

There are approx. 31 private medical colleges in India. (excluding the private

dental & unrecognized colleges). Are these not diluting the educational system?

As for reserved category people not going abroad, it is not only wrong but

baseless allegation and blind presumptions………..well one can have as many as he

wants.

The ideal situation is to give same education to everyone. Caste should not be

mentioned in any form or in any other way(and to do away with surnames also).But

till that is achieved, reservation is required because of social bias and

restricting circumstances, not because somebody is more or less capable. It is a

means of achieving social equality and not the goal.

( With Respect )

sanjay

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