Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 Folks, we have a problem. Anyone using any products with molasses are feeding their cattle PROPYLENE GLYCOL, thus it's in our milk. I've recently found out that ALL MOLASSES labeled animal grade has this horrible substance in it. It's used to absorb moisture. In case you don't know what it is, here is a link: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts96.html What can we do to get rid of this in the molasses labeled for animals? K.C. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 Isn't that what the vets tell us to use for ketosis? & Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ Molasses Folks, we have a problem. Anyone using any products with molasses are feeding their cattle PROPYLENE GLYCOL, thus it's in our milk. I've recently found out that ALL MOLASSES labeled animal grade has this horrible substance in it. It's used to absorb moisture. In case you don't know what it is, here is a link: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts96.html What can we do to get rid of this in the molasses labeled for animals? K.C. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 It says that it leaves the body quickly so would it be in the milk? Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ Molasses Folks, we have a problem. Anyone using any products with molasses are feeding their cattle PROPYLENE GLYCOL, thus it's in our milk. I've recently found out that ALL MOLASSES labeled animal grade has this horrible substance in it. It's used to absorb moisture. In case you don't know what it is, here is a link: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts96.html What can we do to get rid of this in the molasses labeled for animals? K.C. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 It's used to make antifreeze. I doubt they use it as a medication. K.C. Molasses Folks, we have a problem. Anyone using any products with molasses are feeding their cattle PROPYLENE GLYCOL, thus it's in our milk. I've recently found out that ALL MOLASSES labeled animal grade has this horrible substance in it. It's used to absorb moisture. In case you don't know what it is, here is a link: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts96.html What can we do to get rid of this in the molasses labeled for animals? K.C. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 Anything you feed your cow will end up in the milk. K.C. Molasses Folks, we have a problem. Anyone using any products with molasses are feeding their cattle PROPYLENE GLYCOL, thus it's in our milk. I've recently found out that ALL MOLASSES labeled animal grade has this horrible substance in it. It's used to absorb moisture. In case you don't know what it is, here is a link: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts96.html What can we do to get rid of this in the molasses labeled for animals? K.C. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 Umm, actually according to the link you posted propylene glycol has been deemed safe by the FDA and is used in cosmetics, medications, and food for humans. It also only causes problems at high doses, so I highly doubt a bit of it in molasses causes problems. It is found in antifreeze along with ethylene glycol, which is not good for you. Weldon A Big of Earth Farm Litchfield, Ohio > It's used to make antifreeze. I doubt they use it as a medication. > > K.C. > Re: Molasses > > > Isn't that what the vets tell us to use for ketosis? > & Debbie Chikousky > Manitoba, Canada Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 I know it is used to treat ketosis in goats. I have a jug here that came with a whole load of " goat stuff " from a friend who sold out. This jug says " for use as an aid in the prevention and treatment of Ketosis in Dairy Cattle " . I have never needed to use it. Dixon Ozark Jewels Boers, Nubians, Lamanchas and Alpines > > It's used to make antifreeze. I doubt they use it as a medication. > > > > K.C. > > Re: Molasses > > > > > > Isn't that what the vets tell us to use for ketosis? > > & Debbie Chikousky > > Manitoba, Canada Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 And if you believe everything the FDA says, I have a bridge for sale.....CHEAP (LOL). It's probably a Monsanto product and they have paid the FDA to approve several chemicals to use for humans, which are extremely unsafe. Just like the pharmaceutical companies have paid the FDA to approve their drugs without thorough testing. K.C. Re: Molasses> > > Isn't that what the vets tell us to use for ketosis?> & Debbie Chikousky> Manitoba, Canada Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 Ihave a jug also-1/2 cup of it several times a day when your doe has ketosis and her life will be saved. Elke ozark_jewels wrote: I know it is used to treat ketosis in goats. I have a jug here that came with a whole load of "goat stuff" from a friend who sold out. This jug says "for use as an aid in the prevention and treatment of Ketosis in Dairy Cattle". I have never needed to use it. Dixon Ozark Jewels Boers, Nubians, Lamanchas and Alpines It's used to make antifreeze. I doubt they use it as a medication. K.C. Re: Molasses Isn't that what the vets tell us to use for ketosis? & Debbie Chikousky Manitoba, Canada Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 How about you research who makes it and find out if that's true instead of just annoucing it's a poison without any basis? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol http://www.kicgroup.com/pg995usp.htm http://www.chem.unep.ch/irptc/sids/oecdsids/57-55- 6.pdf#search='propylene%20glycol%20feed%20grade' This one needs to be cut and pasted- but it contains 166 pages of testing and analysis. Weldon A Bit of Earth Farm Litchfield, Ohio > And if you believe everything the FDA says, I have a bridge for sale.....CHEAP (LOL). > > It's probably a Monsanto product and they have paid the FDA to approve several chemicals to use for humans, which are extremely unsafe. Just like the pharmaceutical companies have paid the FDA to approve their drugs without thorough testing. > > K.C. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 Well, it may save her life at the time, but what is it doing to the rest of her and by how much is it lessening her life in the long run. I would imagine there are other things that can be used that would be safer. It's not up to me to tell you what to use and what not to use. As for me, I wouldn't knowingly give anti-freeze to any animal. K.C. Re: Molasses Isn't that what the vets tell us to use for ketosis? & Debbie Chikousky Manitoba, Canada Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 Not a poison? What do you think antifreeze is? The attitude here is amazing. Hey, feed what you want, believe what you will. I only put the info out there for your benefit and mine. If you think it's safe and you want to feed it to your animals and have it in your milk, more power to you. K.C. Re: Molasses How about you research who makes it and find out if that's true instead of just annoucing it's a poison without any basis?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycolhttp://www.kicgroup.com/pg995usp.htmhttp://www.chem.unep.ch/irptc/sids/oecdsids/57-55-6.pdf#search='propylene%20glycol%20feed%20grade'This one needs to be cut and pasted- but it contains 166 pages of testing and analysis. WeldonA Bit of Earth FarmLitchfield, Ohio> And if you believe everything the FDA says, I have a bridge for sale.....CHEAP (LOL).> > It's probably a Monsanto product and they have paid the FDA to approve several chemicals to use for humans, which are extremely unsafe. Just like the pharmaceutical companies have paid the FDA to approve their drugs without thorough testing.> > K.C. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 I agree with K.C. I have read in several books and on web-sites that propylene glycol is not good for us to eat or rub on our skin. I sure don't want to pay high dollar for milk with this in it when I pay extra for lotion and shampoo that doesn't have it. Even the deodorant I buy has a label on it " No Propylene Glycol " . Why would I want to drink it and give it to my family? Most of us don't want to trade one evil or poison for another. Thanks K.C. And if you believe everything the FDA says, I have a bridge for sale.....CHEAP (LOL). It's probably a Monsanto product and they have paid the FDA to approve several chemicals to use for humans, which are extremely unsafe. Just like the pharmaceutical companies have paid the FDA to approve their drugs without thorough testing. K.C. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 When I told the rep from Nutrena that I was upset that it was in the grain, he asked me what I was smoking because they didn't have it in their grain. The head guy responsible for the formulations said the same thing. Then I ran into the rep at the feed store and we took a label off the COB and the second ingredient was P.Glycol and the color drained from his face. I said "and you wonder why people are associating you with Monsanto?" The other rep with him said it's in everything, your shampoo, food, etc. I told him I don't buy products with that in it except for antifreeze because I figured the car can take it, my liver and kidneys can't. I told him I'm not shortening my life because Monsanto has paid off the FDA to approved it in everything because the government has given them the money to over produce it. They weren't happy with me. I've even written C & H Sugar because they are the largest manufacturer/grower of sugar and molasses is a by product of sugar. I don't know if I'll get an answer. As I said, you all can do what you believe is right for you and your animals. I'm going to take to buying raw sugar if necessary for the cattle, if I can afford it or find it at wholesale prices. Raw sugar is just the sugar before the molasses is removed. I used to live next to the sugar bulk in Kauai, HI. Used to get all the raw sugar I needed for free. Sure wish I had that next door to me now. I'd get plain grain and add what I wanted to it. K.C. Re: Molasses I agree with K.C. I have read in several books and on web-sites thatpropylene glycol is not good forus to eat or rub on our skin. I sure don't want to pay high dollar formilk with this in it when I pay extrafor lotion and shampoo that doesn't have it. Even the deodorant I buy hasa label on it "No Propylene Glycol".Why would I want to drink it and give it to my family? Most of us don'twant to trade one evil or poison for another. Thanks K.C.And if you believe everything the FDA says, I have a bridge forsale.....CHEAP (LOL).It's probably a Monsanto product and they have paid the FDA to approveseveral chemicals to use for humans, which are extremely unsafe. Justlike the pharmaceutical companies have paid the FDA to approve theirdrugs without thorough testing.K.C. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 Okay, I don't know much about this, so I'm wondering...is P. glycol an ingredient that naturally occurs as the molasses is made? Or is it added to the molasses afterward? Does all molasses have P. glycol or just that used for animals? Ginny Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 It is by no means natural. It is a petrolium product and is added to absorb moisture from what I understand and have read. I'm told it is added to all animal grade molasses. I'm still researching, but was told it's not in molasses for people. I don't know that for sure. K.C. Re: Molasses Okay, I don't know much about this, so I'm wondering...is P. glycol an ingredient that naturally occurs as the molasses is made? Or is it added to the molasses afterward? Does all molasses have P. glycol or just that used for animals?Ginny Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 Yes, used for goats and sheep, too. : ) Shery Sunspring Ranch Utah Re: Molasses> > > > > > Isn't that what the vets tell us to use for ketosis?> > & Debbie Chikousky> > Manitoba, Canada Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 the website all the way at the bottom explains that it is "foodgrade" antifreeze, what ever that is ? and the term refers to a protein .- Elke Tinybabe wrote: Not a poison? What do you think antifreeze is? The attitude here is amazing. Hey, feed what you want, believe what you will. I only put the info out there for your benefit and mine. If you think it's safe and you want to feed it to your animals and have it in your milk, more power to you. K.C. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: RawDairy Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: Re: Molasses How about you research who makes it and find out if that's true instead of just annoucing it's a poison without any basis? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol http://www.kicgroup.com/pg995usp.htm http://www.chem.unep.ch/irptc/sids/oecdsids/57-55- 6.pdf#search='propylene%20glycol%20feed%20grade' This one needs to be cut and pasted- but it contains 166 pages of testing and analysis. Weldon A Bit of Earth Farm Litchfield, Ohio > And if you believe everything the FDA says, I have a bridge for sale.....CHEAP (LOL). > > It's probably a Monsanto product and they have paid the FDA to approve several chemicals to use for humans, which are extremely unsafe. Just like the pharmaceutical companies have paid the FDA to approve their drugs without thorough testing. > > K.C. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 Just because a chemical can be used as an antifreeze doesn't mean it is a poison. Ordinary table salt, potassium chloride, ethyl alcohol and many other chemicals that are suitable for human and animal consumption (in limited quantities) are also used for their ability to lower the freezing point of water (antifreeze). It is unfortunate that propylene glycol is lumped with ethylene glycol in a lot of informational web sites. Ethylene glycol is a poison in moderate amounts and is the most common component of automobile antifreeze. It is analogous to methyl and ethyl alcohols. Methyl alcohol is very toxic even in limited quantities. Ethyl alcohol can be tolerated by the human body in much larger quantities. But they are very similar chemically and both have been used as antifreeze in specific instances. We should be careful before jumping to conclusions based on an alarmist post. Further research would probably show that small amounts of propylene glycol occur naturally in many unexpected places. Loren in Arizona -- Re: Re: Molasses Not a poison? What do you think antifreeze is? Quote
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Posted August 4, 2005 Every year dogs all over this country are rushed to the vet's office for drinking antifreeze because it's sweet and they will go right to it. It leaves horrible, disabling effects on those dogs that survive. I think the term "foodgrade" is something they are being sarcastic about. K.C. Re: Molasses How about you research who makes it and find out if that's true instead of just annoucing it's a poison without any basis?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycolhttp://www.kicgroup.com/pg995usp.htmhttp://www.chem.unep.ch/irptc/sids/oecdsids/57-55-6.pdf#search='propylene%20glycol%20feed%20grade'This one needs to be cut and pasted- but it contains 166 pages of testing and analysis. WeldonA Bit of Earth FarmLitchfield, Ohio> And if you believe everything the FDA says, I have a bridge for sale.....CHEAP (LOL).> > It's probably a Monsanto product and they have paid the FDA to approve several chemicals to use for humans, which are extremely unsafe. Just like the pharmaceutical companies have paid the FDA to approve their drugs without thorough testing.> > K.C. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Posted August 4, 2005 It is NOT a natural occurring chemical. It is man made from petroleum products. Like I said, use it if you want. There is a reason other countries in this world will not allow this and other chemicals produced in this country to be put into food, shampoos, skin creams, etc. that are exported. K.C. Re: Re: Molasses Not a poison? What do you think antifreeze is? Quote
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Posted August 4, 2005  I think the problem with small doses is when we think about it we have hundreds and hundreds of these Small doses daily. I think as a people we need to stop thinking in terms of "no harm in small doses" That is dangerous. Check out all the products you take with the stuff and really look at am I just taking 1 small dose? Many things have it. IMHO we need to change this thinking. Kathann We use Propylene Glycol as necessary to battle ketosis in fresh cows with no seen side effects. We have used it for as long as i can remember in our herd of 70 milkers and in fact have saved the lives of countless animals from a sure future on the beef truck. Like everything else that enters the cows body im sure some ends up in the milk. I would be curious to see any scientific evidence that it is harmful in small doses. Dont know what we would do if we couldn't use it as a management tool to battle the occasional ketosis problem. RandallVermont Quote
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Posted August 4, 2005 Prop glycol is a very old treatment for ketosis and low blood sugar in ruminants. It is pretty safe, gives quick, easily absorbable energy, and is not excreted in the urine because it is well metabolized. When added to medicinal drugs, it can alter their distribution in the body, metabolism, and excretion. Such alteration can lead to improved dosing intervals and may also have beneficial effects on safety and efficacy. It can also mask certain drugs, such as interferon, from the immune system, preventing their rejection. It is an alcohol, not a petroleum product. It is “not” antifreeze tho it is often an ingredient, but then again think about brine,,,,you use it to quick chill, as when making ice cream, and it is an innocuous substance. I would like to know if dry molasses also has prop glycol in it. I feed almost no molasses, as I find it increases the mold factor in grain, but do use in water after kidding. www.MajestyFarm.com " What is ominous is the ease with which some people go from saying that they don't like something to saying that the government should forbid it. When you go down that road, don't expect freedom to survive very long. " Sowell From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of Tinybabe Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:53 PM To: RawDairy Subject: Re: Re: Molasses Not a poison? What do you think antifreeze is? The attitude here is amazing. Hey, feed what you want, believe what you will. I only put the info out there for your benefit and mine. If you think it's safe and you want to feed it to your animals and have it in your milk, more power to you. K.C. Re: Molasses How about you research who makes it and find out if that's true instead of just annoucing it's a poison without any basis? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol http://www.kicgroup.com/pg995usp.htm http://www.chem.unep.ch/irptc/sids/oecdsids/57-55- 6.pdf#search='propylene%20glycol%20feed%20grade' This one needs to be cut and pasted- but it contains 166 pages of testing and analysis. Weldon A Bit of Earth Farm Litchfield, Ohio > And if you believe everything the FDA says, I have a bridge for sale.....CHEAP (LOL). > > It's probably a Monsanto product and they have paid the FDA to approve several chemicals to use for humans, which are extremely unsafe. Just like the pharmaceutical companies have paid the FDA to approve their drugs without thorough testing. > > K.C. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Posted August 4, 2005  I've been a label reader forever. I can't believe how much of this stuff is used in almost everything. There must be a glut of it and so they paid off the FDA to be able to include it in almost everything you buy. And not just from the supermarket, but in the heal food store's products as well. They of course are trying to eliminate products that have it, but check your labels. Like you said, many small doses daily do add up. K.C. Re: Molasses I think the problem with small doses is when we think about it we have hundreds and hundreds of these Small doses daily. I think as a people we need to stop thinking in terms of "no harm in small doses" That is dangerous. Check out all the products you take with the stuff and really look at am I just taking 1 small dose? Many things have it. IMHO we need to change this thinking. Kathann We use Propylene Glycol as necessary to battle ketosis in fresh cows with no seen side effects. We have used it for as long as i can remember in our herd of 70 milkers and in fact have saved the lives of countless animals from a sure future on the beef truck. Like everything else that enters the cows body im sure some ends up in the milk. I would be curious to see any scientific evidence that it is harmful in small doses. Dont know what we would do if we couldn't use it as a management tool to battle the occasional ketosis problem. RandallVermont Quote
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Posted August 4, 2005 Have you guys ever used MAGIC for ketosis instead? & Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ Re: Molasses Isn't that what the vets tell us to use for ketosis? & Debbie Chikousky Manitoba, Canada Quote
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