Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 We shop at Aldi grocery stores and save a ton compared to regular grocery stores. Check it out it will save you $ _ALDI - home page_ (http://aldi.us/index_ENU_HTML.htm) Father of Geena 9 w/ DS, autism & hearing Loss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 On the issue of food. You can save a bundle of $$ by NOT clipping coupons and jsut shopping around the edges. Buy store brands. Preparing food from scratch takes a little longer, but one can prepare several meals at a time and then freeze so that you have frozen dinners- where you control the ingredients. Look on line for coupons to eat out - Cat D's has them all the time - I bet others do as well. > > > We shop at Aldi grocery stores and save a ton compared to regular grocery > stores. > Check it out it will save you $ > > _ALDI - home page_ (http://aldi.us/index_ENU_HTML.htm) > > > Father of Geena 9 w/ DS, autism & hearing Loss > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 I've had to stop taking my antidepressants and high blood pressure meds. Can't afford them or the follow up doctor visit copays. I'm taking my kids off their meds because I can't afford them and I can't afford driving 2 hours each way to the developmental pediatrician ($40 in gas) plus the $40 copay every 3 months because he won't refill a prescription without an exam. So no more meds for them. I dropped Kayla's hippotherapy and Laurie's swimming lessons (and probably her gymnastics, too) and will not be signing her up for Girl Scouts next school year. We don't do fast food. My husband and I don't go on date nights (or even date lunches!). We have never been on vacation as a family. We've seen 1 movie in a theater in five years. I splurged for Kayla's birthday and spent $20 for the bouncy house place. Looks like we won't be going on many outings this summer unless they are funded by the kids' grandparents or the local community youth groups. I'm going to miss taking the kids for ice cream in the summer, but wow, 1 lousy scoop of ice cream is like $2.50 now! My husband's business sells firefighting chemicals to municipalities. Of course, with the economy in the dumps, municipalities have no money. You'd think that it would be a recession proof business, but I guess fire fighters are just letting fires burn out now instead of using the firefighting foam to contain them or something. My husband wanted me to find a part time job but ONLY from 9 - 2 when the kids are in school and no nights or weekends. I just laughed at him and said that would be impossible with so many people looking for work and willing to work any days at any hours. I don't really know how much more to cut, since the meds were pretty much the last straw. Ecki Mom to Kayla (DS/ASD, 4/5/04) and Laurie (PDD-NOS, 7/12/01) http://oppositekids.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Hi Ecki, I don't know where you live but I know here (Michigan) Sam's Club and Meijers offer certain medication for a nominal fee (sorry don't remember exact amount something like $5). Please check with both of them to see if it is the ones you need. Sue > > Subject: RE: Ways to save $ > To: > Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 8:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > I've had to stop taking my antidepressants and > high blood pressure meds. > > Can't afford them or the follow up doctor visit copays. > I'm taking my kids > > off their meds because I can't afford them and I > can't afford driving 2 > > hours each way to the developmental pediatrician ($40 in > gas) plus the $40 > > copay every 3 months because he won't refill a > prescription without an exam. > > So no more meds for them. I dropped Kayla's > hippotherapy and Laurie's > > swimming lessons (and probably her gymnastics, too) and > will not be signing > > her up for Girl Scouts next school year. > > > > We don't do fast food. My husband and I don't go on > date nights (or even > > date lunches!). We have never been on vacation as a family. > We've seen 1 > > movie in a theater in five years. I splurged for > Kayla's birthday and spent > > $20 for the bouncy house place. Looks like we won't be > going on many outings > > this summer unless they are funded by the kids' > grandparents or the local > > community youth groups. I'm going to miss taking the > kids for ice cream in > > the summer, but wow, 1 lousy scoop of ice cream is like > $2.50 now! > > > > My husband's business sells firefighting chemicals to > municipalities. Of > > course, with the economy in the dumps, municipalities have > no money. You'd > > think that it would be a recession proof business, but I > guess fire fighters > > are just letting fires burn out now instead of using the > firefighting foam > > to contain them or something. My husband wanted me to find > a part time job > > but ONLY from 9 - 2 when the kids are in school and no > nights or weekends. I > > just laughed at him and said that would be impossible with > so many people > > looking for work and willing to work any days at any > hours. > > > > I don't really know how much more to cut, since the > meds were pretty much > > the last straw. > > > > Ecki > > > > Mom to Kayla (DS/ASD, 4/5/04) and Laurie (PDD-NOS, > 7/12/01) > > > > http://oppositekids > .blogspot. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Ecki, I know how you feel. Last year a week apart my husband and I lost our jobs. He finally found work but since I have to work while is in school I have had no luck. My profession was Account Exec for a mortgage company. The day care could no longer provide services so I basically had to find a new line of work. I worked as a customer service professional from 9-2 Mon-Fri for 4 yrs and then the company went out of bus. because right after 9-11 the bus. went down. The next job I had paid really poorly and the work was physically demanding. After working at Garden Ridge for 3 1/2 yrs In March of 2009 they told all the employees that we were all losing our jobs. Now if we wanted to reapply we could but the only way we would get hired back was to be available to work any time of the day or night and Mon.-Sun. Of course the company new I was hired to work Mon.-Fri. 9-2 because of my special needs child but do you think that mattered to them? No it was all about Garden Ridge. They had done the same thing with employees at a different Garden Ridge right before Christmas in 2008. Everyone lost their jobs. It is all about the mighty dollar and no one cares about the employees anymore. Everything is this world keeps going up groceries,gas,lights,phone service and the salaries keep going down down down. People are starting to move in with families and having like 2-3 generation of families living together to stay afloat. Dr. are also feeling the pinch with insurance companies dictating write offs. I know a Dr. that had to give up his practices and go to work for a hospital. My daughter is going to college next year and I have been on her like flies on shit to apply apply apply for scholarships,grants, etc. If we do not mostly get it paid for she won't be able to go. I apply for grants, and scholarships all the time to get money to pay for 's therapies, or I would not be able to afford them. Cyndi B > > I've had to stop taking my antidepressants and high blood pressure meds. > Can't afford them or the follow up doctor visit copays. I'm taking my kids > off their meds because I can't afford them and I can't afford driving 2 > hours each way to the developmental pediatrician ($40 in gas) plus the $40 > copay every 3 months because he won't refill a prescription without an exam. > So no more meds for them. I dropped Kayla's hippotherapy and Laurie's > swimming lessons (and probably her gymnastics, too) and will not be signing > her up for Girl Scouts next school year. > > > > We don't do fast food. My husband and I don't go on date nights (or even > date lunches!). We have never been on vacation as a family. We've seen 1 > movie in a theater in five years. I splurged for Kayla's birthday and spent > $20 for the bouncy house place. Looks like we won't be going on many outings > this summer unless they are funded by the kids' grandparents or the local > community youth groups. I'm going to miss taking the kids for ice cream in > the summer, but wow, 1 lousy scoop of ice cream is like $2.50 now! > > > > My husband's business sells firefighting chemicals to municipalities. Of > course, with the economy in the dumps, municipalities have no money. You'd > think that it would be a recession proof business, but I guess fire fighters > are just letting fires burn out now instead of using the firefighting foam > to contain them or something. My husband wanted me to find a part time job > but ONLY from 9 - 2 when the kids are in school and no nights or weekends. I > just laughed at him and said that would be impossible with so many people > looking for work and willing to work any days at any hours. > > > > I don't really know how much more to cut, since the meds were pretty much > the last straw. > > > > Ecki > > Mom to Kayla (DS/ASD, 4/5/04) and Laurie (PDD-NOS, 7/12/01) > > http://oppositekids.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 The special internist who moved to our little town was in a practice which agreed to be bought by our 48 bed hospital. Last week she was told to start seeing 25 patients a day. She quit. As of June first we will not have the specialized doc my dh needs without traveling 50 miles. we are waiting to see what this doc is going to do. Would love for her to open her own practice. We sure need her (we only have one other internist in this town and she has been full for 4 years. ) On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:08 PM, cynthiamiltonburns < cynthiamiltonburns@...> wrote: > > > Ecki, I know how you feel. Last year a week apart my husband and I lost our > jobs. He finally found work but since I have to work while is in school > I have had no luck. My profession was Account Exec for a mortgage company. > The day care could no longer provide services so I basically had to find a > new line of work. I worked as a customer service professional from 9-2 > Mon-Fri for 4 yrs and then the company went out of bus. because right after > 9-11 the bus. went down. The next job I had paid really poorly and the work > was physically demanding. After working at Garden Ridge for 3 1/2 yrs In > March of 2009 they told all the employees that we were all losing our jobs. > Now if we wanted to reapply we could but the only way we would get hired > back was to be available to work any time of the day or night and Mon.-Sun. > Of course the company new I was hired to work Mon.-Fri. 9-2 because of my > special needs child but do you think that mattered to them? No it was all > about Garden Ridge. They had done the same thing with employees at a > different Garden Ridge right before Christmas in 2008. Everyone lost their > jobs. It is all about the mighty dollar and no one cares about the employees > anymore. Everything is this world keeps going up groceries,gas,lights,phone > service and the salaries keep going down down down. People are starting to > move in with families and having like 2-3 generation of families living > together to stay afloat. Dr. are also feeling the pinch with insurance > companies dictating write offs. I know a Dr. that had to give up his > practices and go to work for a hospital. My daughter is going to college > next year and I have been on her like flies on shit to apply apply apply for > scholarships,grants, etc. If we do not mostly get it paid for she won't be > able to go. I apply for grants, and scholarships all the time to get money > to pay for 's therapies, or I would not be able to afford them. Cyndi B > > > > > > I've had to stop taking my antidepressants and high blood pressure meds. > > Can't afford them or the follow up doctor visit copays. I'm taking my > kids > > off their meds because I can't afford them and I can't afford driving 2 > > hours each way to the developmental pediatrician ($40 in gas) plus the > $40 > > copay every 3 months because he won't refill a prescription without an > exam. > > So no more meds for them. I dropped Kayla's hippotherapy and Laurie's > > swimming lessons (and probably her gymnastics, too) and will not be > signing > > her up for Girl Scouts next school year. > > > > > > > > We don't do fast food. My husband and I don't go on date nights (or even > > date lunches!). We have never been on vacation as a family. We've seen 1 > > movie in a theater in five years. I splurged for Kayla's birthday and > spent > > $20 for the bouncy house place. Looks like we won't be going on many > outings > > this summer unless they are funded by the kids' grandparents or the local > > community youth groups. I'm going to miss taking the kids for ice cream > in > > the summer, but wow, 1 lousy scoop of ice cream is like $2.50 now! > > > > > > > > My husband's business sells firefighting chemicals to municipalities. Of > > course, with the economy in the dumps, municipalities have no money. > You'd > > think that it would be a recession proof business, but I guess fire > fighters > > are just letting fires burn out now instead of using the firefighting > foam > > to contain them or something. My husband wanted me to find a part time > job > > but ONLY from 9 - 2 when the kids are in school and no nights or > weekends. I > > just laughed at him and said that would be impossible with so many people > > looking for work and willing to work any days at any hours. > > > > > > > > I don't really know how much more to cut, since the meds were pretty much > > the last straw. > > > > > > > > Ecki > > > > Mom to Kayla (DS/ASD, 4/5/04) and Laurie (PDD-NOS, 7/12/01) > > > > http://oppositekids.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Ecki, Sorry things are so rough. Have you looked at working at home online? There are a few actual legitimate companies that you can work from home using your phone and the internet. You can work whatever hours you want. Yes, it is basically minimum wage but that adds up quick when you aren't used to making anything. They are mainly customer service type jobs, like mail order catalogs or some receptionist jobs too. Hang in there :-) Amy _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ecki Stern Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:53 PM To: Subject: RE: Ways to save $ I've had to stop taking my antidepressants and high blood pressure meds. Can't afford them or the follow up doctor visit copays. I'm taking my kids off their meds because I can't afford them and I can't afford driving 2 hours each way to the developmental pediatrician ($40 in gas) plus the $40 copay every 3 months because he won't refill a prescription without an exam. So no more meds for them. I dropped Kayla's hippotherapy and Laurie's swimming lessons (and probably her gymnastics, too) and will not be signing her up for Girl Scouts next school year. We don't do fast food. My husband and I don't go on date nights (or even date lunches!). We have never been on vacation as a family. We've seen 1 movie in a theater in five years. I splurged for Kayla's birthday and spent $20 for the bouncy house place. Looks like we won't be going on many outings this summer unless they are funded by the kids' grandparents or the local community youth groups. I'm going to miss taking the kids for ice cream in the summer, but wow, 1 lousy scoop of ice cream is like $2.50 now! My husband's business sells firefighting chemicals to municipalities. Of course, with the economy in the dumps, municipalities have no money. You'd think that it would be a recession proof business, but I guess fire fighters are just letting fires burn out now instead of using the firefighting foam to contain them or something. My husband wanted me to find a part time job but ONLY from 9 - 2 when the kids are in school and no nights or weekends. I just laughed at him and said that would be impossible with so many people looking for work and willing to work any days at any hours. I don't really know how much more to cut, since the meds were pretty much the last straw. Ecki Mom to Kayla (DS/ASD, 4/5/04) and Laurie (PDD-NOS, 7/12/01) http://oppositekids <http://oppositekids.blogspot.com/> .blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Oh, and did you know you can claim any medical miles on your taxes? We have been getting around $800 back a year for the last two years from driving all around. Amy _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ecki Stern Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:53 PM To: Subject: RE: Ways to save $ I've had to stop taking my antidepressants and high blood pressure meds. Can't afford them or the follow up doctor visit copays. I'm taking my kids off their meds because I can't afford them and I can't afford driving 2 hours each way to the developmental pediatrician ($40 in gas) plus the $40 copay every 3 months because he won't refill a prescription without an exam. So no more meds for them. I dropped Kayla's hippotherapy and Laurie's swimming lessons (and probably her gymnastics, too) and will not be signing her up for Girl Scouts next school year. We don't do fast food. My husband and I don't go on date nights (or even date lunches!). We have never been on vacation as a family. We've seen 1 movie in a theater in five years. I splurged for Kayla's birthday and spent $20 for the bouncy house place. Looks like we won't be going on many outings this summer unless they are funded by the kids' grandparents or the local community youth groups. I'm going to miss taking the kids for ice cream in the summer, but wow, 1 lousy scoop of ice cream is like $2.50 now! My husband's business sells firefighting chemicals to municipalities. Of course, with the economy in the dumps, municipalities have no money. You'd think that it would be a recession proof business, but I guess fire fighters are just letting fires burn out now instead of using the firefighting foam to contain them or something. My husband wanted me to find a part time job but ONLY from 9 - 2 when the kids are in school and no nights or weekends. I just laughed at him and said that would be impossible with so many people looking for work and willing to work any days at any hours. I don't really know how much more to cut, since the meds were pretty much the last straw. Ecki Mom to Kayla (DS/ASD, 4/5/04) and Laurie (PDD-NOS, 7/12/01) http://oppositekids <http://oppositekids.blogspot.com/> .blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Spousal unit works from home (for a startup), I am not employed & our income dropped waaaay over 50% since this time last year as a result of employment change preceded by the sale of startup company. Which was preceded by the sale of a startup company-which was preceded by working to build a startup company for no income-which was preceded by a variety of " starting over " jobs (due to death, birth,divorce, job loss)..... Out of our 12 years together, we had almost a whole 9 months of feeling " rich " . The kind of rich that meant paying bills on time or gingerly splurging on cable or fixing up yard/house or buying some " toys " .... Quite an awakening when one is approaching their 50's. For me especially- an adjustment from one type of frugal to another. I knew from my prior life how to be frugal in order to pay for things like college or study in China or other happenings or " name brand " whatever for my now adult sons. Like I said, for me, it was an awakening & an adjustment to shift that " frugal " to a life necessities frugal. Fortunately, I believe in magic. Recent example: My grandchildren are currently ages 2,6,9 & my son DJ is 14 (15 on May 30th). Our county schools are currently on " spring break " . As I mentioned, we are currently operating on 50-60% less income. I wanted very badly to " do " some things for/with the kiddos. The grandgirls ages 6 & 9 were spending a couple of days with us. Little dude age 2 not ready yet-seperation anxiety.. I used magical thinking in preplanning activities geared for the girls & DJ. With the cooperation of the weather; our house, our deck & our yard became enchanted. We unearthed the seldom used giant tent house thing & set it up on the deck. In one room I put a child size cardtable & chairs & the other room mats & pillows. I gathered paints & glitter glue & markers, tiny flower pots & the reams of moving paper I had stashed. I re-filled the sandbox & put a table near it. I gathered flashlights, battery operated candles, plastic Margarita glasses & our smores maker. The only thing I bought was 3 cans of glo in the dark silly string, stuff to make smores & strawberries. Their time was filled with " stuff " to do in daylight & darkness. They were asked ahead of time what their fave foods were & each kiddo got a day of just " their " food choices. Which I fancied up by serving in things like the margarita glasses with an orange twist or skewered on bamboo or toothpicks or simply nestled in powdered sugar on a tray (strawberries) They had breakfast in the tent house, smores by candlelight at the deck table & creamed me royally with silly string that actually did glow in the dark. They played, they read, they created reams of art & were totally filthy by the end of their visit. DJ moved half his belongings into the tent house lol. And the girls cried when they had to leave. I am exhausted but happy that I believe in magic. And just perhaps 3 kiddos do as well. And maybe will have memories that will last a bit longer than say Chuckee Cheese. I hope. I do similar re DJ's birthday now. It is officially named (by him) " The Best Day Ever " . I basically transform our deck, house and/or yard into a theme that is totally geared to kiddo fun. The first year it was a Beach & last year it was Zelda-Fairies-Pirates theme. This year it will be carnival/fair/I don't know what to call it yet theme. One can get ALOT of milage out of playsand, water, some props, some water toys, some balloons,some fabric or sheets, etc.... The point is, there IS MAGIC in ordinary things lying about the house that can be transformed into some things very special. Or transforming ordinary activities into magical happenings. For little or no $$. Peace. Kris > > I'll start just from the top of my head and will share more later... > > One thing we found where we were spending the most $ was eating out - for > convenience mostly - and just for fast food here and they really added up > averaging around $200 (some months even more if we went out to eat to nice > places for special occasions or a " date " night). You think $5-$10 at > Mc's is no big deal until you do it way too much! Not good for us either! > > Heidi -- Wisconsin, USA > (Mom to 8 w/ DS, ASD, epilepsy; Clara 3) > No two flowers bloom in exactly the same way, but all are beautiful ! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 As usual Kris - you are a ********(those are sparkly stars) I would like to remind people about www.ANGELFOODMINISTRIES.com. This has grown enormously in the last year. Food is better, more special boxes including allergen free boxes. ANYONE can join - no income restrictions. The basic $30 box is worth $60. There are veggie boxes as well. Check it out. In my area you no longer have to pay a month ahead but only 3 days ahead. See what is available in your neighborhood. And if not that - there is SHARE - again no income restrictions. SHARE usually asks for 2 hours volunteer time in exchange for a box. When we were in an area that had SHARE, we did our share by driving non-drivers sto [ick up food, or delivered food, or sometimes helped set up food. Uase your store flyers. This morning I went to my neighborhood grocery and paid $2.99 for 4 lbs of oranges. Then I went to Walmart and bought more at $.25/each The $.25/each was the better buy - I got 10 for $2.50 - only got 8 smaller ones for $2.99 Also chix legs and thighs were $.80/lb at the neighborhood grocery Thighs were $.59/lb at Wally's. Pays to check - even with the gas. > > > Spousal unit works from home (for a startup), I am not employed & our > income dropped waaaay over 50% since this time last year as a result of > employment change preceded by the sale of startup company. Which was > preceded by the sale of a startup company-which was preceded by working to > build a startup company for no income-which was preceded by a variety of > " starting over " jobs (due to death, birth,divorce, job loss)..... > > Out of our 12 years together, we had almost a whole 9 months of feeling > " rich " . The kind of rich that meant paying bills on time or gingerly > splurging on cable or fixing up yard/house or buying some " toys " .... > > Quite an awakening when one is approaching their 50's. For me especially- > an adjustment from one type of frugal to another. I knew from my prior life > how to be frugal in order to pay for things like college or study in China > or other happenings or " name brand " whatever for my now adult sons. > > Like I said, for me, it was an awakening & an adjustment to shift that > " frugal " to a life necessities frugal. > > Fortunately, I believe in magic. > > Recent example: My grandchildren are currently ages 2,6,9 & my son DJ is 14 > (15 on May 30th). Our county schools are currently on " spring break " . As I > mentioned, we are currently operating on 50-60% less income. I wanted very > badly to " do " some things for/with the kiddos. The grandgirls ages 6 & 9 > were spending a couple of days with us. Little dude age 2 not ready > yet-seperation anxiety.. > > I used magical thinking in preplanning activities geared for the girls & > DJ. With the cooperation of the weather; our house, our deck & our yard > became enchanted. We unearthed the seldom used giant tent house thing & set > it up on the deck. In one room I put a child size cardtable & chairs & the > other room mats & pillows. > > I gathered paints & glitter glue & markers, tiny flower pots & the reams of > moving paper I had stashed. I re-filled the sandbox & put a table near it. I > gathered flashlights, battery operated candles, plastic Margarita glasses & > our smores maker. > > The only thing I bought was 3 cans of glo in the dark silly string, stuff > to make smores & strawberries. > > Their time was filled with " stuff " to do in daylight & darkness. They were > asked ahead of time what their fave foods were & each kiddo got a day of > just " their " food choices. Which I fancied up by serving in things like the > margarita glasses with an orange twist or skewered on bamboo or toothpicks > or simply nestled in powdered sugar on a tray (strawberries) > > They had breakfast in the tent house, smores by candlelight at the deck > table & creamed me royally with silly string that actually did glow in the > dark. > > They played, they read, they created reams of art & were totally filthy by > the end of their visit. DJ moved half his belongings into the tent house > lol. > > And the girls cried when they had to leave. > > I am exhausted but happy that I believe in magic. And just perhaps 3 kiddos > do as well. And maybe will have memories that will last a bit longer than > say Chuckee Cheese. I hope. > > I do similar re DJ's birthday now. It is officially named (by him) " The > Best Day Ever " . I basically transform our deck, house and/or yard into a > theme that is totally geared to kiddo fun. The first year it was a Beach & > last year it was Zelda-Fairies-Pirates theme. This year it will be > carnival/fair/I don't know what to call it yet theme. One can get ALOT of > milage out of playsand, water, some props, some water toys, some > balloons,some fabric or sheets, etc.... > > The point is, there IS MAGIC in ordinary things lying about the house that > can be transformed into some things very special. Or transforming ordinary > activities into magical happenings. > > For little or no $$. > > > > Peace. > Kris > > > > > > I'll start just from the top of my head and will share more later... > > > > One thing we found where we were spending the most $ was eating out - for > > > convenience mostly - and just for fast food here and they really added up > > > averaging around $200 (some months even more if we went out to eat to > nice > > places for special occasions or a " date " night). You think $5-$10 at > > Mc's is no big deal until you do it way too much! Not good for us > either! > > > > Heidi -- Wisconsin, USA > > (Mom to 8 w/ DS, ASD, epilepsy; Clara 3) > > No two flowers bloom in exactly the same way, but all are beautiful ! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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