Guest guest Posted May 21, 1999 Report Share Posted May 21, 1999 Since my immune system is so weak he told me not to get any vaccinations. He said some use live viruses. I was going to school full time but now I only go two hours a day. For my senior year I am doind independant studies, but I will still be able to graduate with my class. >From: Barbara Renick <brenick@...> >Reply- onelist > onelist >Subject: Re: [ ] sickness >Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:00:39 -0400 > >From: Barbara Renick <brenick@...> > >, > >Your doctor told you correctly. Imuran and prednisone suppress the immune >system. By suppressing the immune system, it stops attacking the liver. >Unfortunately, they don't have medicines that are specific enough to just >stop >the part of the immune system that is attacking the liver. So, our weakened >immune system is not able to fight off diseases as well as it would if we >weren't taking the medications. > >Every year now I get the flu vaccines and I had pnuemonia and hepatitis >vaccininations also. don't know if the immune system is good for colds >anyway, but I don't touch people as much as I used to - shaking hands with >someone who has a cold is an easy way to get a cold. I stay away from >little >children who are sick - I let someone else pick them up. It is probably >difficult for a teenager such as yourself to stay away from places where >there >are germs. About all you can do is be aware of the potential problem and >avoid >situations where you know someone is sick. >I > > wrote: > > > From: " " <teers@...> > > > > Is it just me or does immuran and prednisone make people sick. My >immune > > system hasn't ever been very good and I just get sick all the time. Lik > > right now I have a cold and a fever. It seems like I am always fighting > > some sickness. Not to long ago I was in the hospital with influenza A. > > > > The doc said that these med's don't allow my immune system to work like >it > > normally should. As anyone else heard this from their doc. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Having difficulty getting " in synch " with list members? > > > > Try ONElist's Shared Calendar to organize events, meetings and more! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please support the American Liver Foundation! > > > > 1.) To subscribe send e-mail to -subscribeonelist > > 2.) To UNsubscribe send to -unsubscribeonelist > > 3.) Digest e-mail format send to -digestonelist > > 4.) Normal e-mail format send to -normalonelist > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >With more than 17 million e-mails exchanged daily... > >....ONElist is THE place where the world talks! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please support the American Liver Foundation! > >1.) To subscribe send e-mail to -subscribeonelist >2.) To UNsubscribe send to -unsubscribeonelist >3.) Digest e-mail format send to -digestonelist >4.) Normal e-mail format send to -normalonelist _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 1999 Report Share Posted May 21, 1999 : I agree with Barbara about not touching people as much. I have an 8 year old daughter, and when she first started going to school a few years ago, I would get sick all the time from all the stuff she would bring home. I find that if I remember to wash my hands often, I don't get colds as often. Something that simple can really help, especially being in a school environment where you are exposed to so much. Kathy (AIH) Seattle area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 1999 Report Share Posted May 21, 1999 , Your doctor told you correctly. Imuran and prednisone suppress the immune system. By suppressing the immune system, it stops attacking the liver. Unfortunately, they don't have medicines that are specific enough to just stop the part of the immune system that is attacking the liver. So, our weakened immune system is not able to fight off diseases as well as it would if we weren't taking the medications. Every year now I get the flu vaccines and I had pnuemonia and hepatitis vaccininations also. don't know if the immune system is good for colds anyway, but I don't touch people as much as I used to - shaking hands with someone who has a cold is an easy way to get a cold. I stay away from little children who are sick - I let someone else pick them up. It is probably difficult for a teenager such as yourself to stay away from places where there are germs. About all you can do is be aware of the potential problem and avoid situations where you know someone is sick. I wrote: > From: " " <teers@...> > > Is it just me or does immuran and prednisone make people sick. My immune > system hasn't ever been very good and I just get sick all the time. Lik > right now I have a cold and a fever. It seems like I am always fighting > some sickness. Not to long ago I was in the hospital with influenza A. > > The doc said that these med's don't allow my immune system to work like it > normally should. As anyone else heard this from their doc. > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Having difficulty getting " in synch " with list members? > > Try ONElist's Shared Calendar to organize events, meetings and more! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please support the American Liver Foundation! > > 1.) To subscribe send e-mail to -subscribeonelist > 2.) To UNsubscribe send to -unsubscribeonelist > 3.) Digest e-mail format send to -digestonelist > 4.) Normal e-mail format send to -normalonelist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 1999 Report Share Posted May 22, 1999 Geri, My doctor said not to risk the vaccinations. My immune system has never been that good. I just wonder how this is going to effect the rest of my life and my plans for a career. I have always wanted to be a doctor but now I don't think it would be a good idea to be around sick people all day. Now I am dead set on becoming a pharmacist. I hope things get better. leslie >From: Geri Spang <spangs@...> >Reply- onelist > onelist >Subject: Re: [ ] sickness >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 02:18:21 -0700 > >From: Geri Spang <spangs@...> > >, >One of the first things that was done after my positive diagnosis for AIH >was immunization against almost everything! But I don't know if any of >those immunizations included live viruses. I was a little rocky at the time >and didn't absorbe 75% of what they were telling me. However, except for a >chronic cough and congestion, I haven't been sick since those >immunizations. Some of the immunizations that I remember were against >pneumonia, polio and of course, flu. > >Despite having a very suppressed immune system after more than a year on >immunosuppresants, I've only had one infection. I've posted a warning on >this subject before, but at risk of sounding like an alarmist, I'll mention >it again. A cat bite, even if the cat's tooth barely scratches the skin >surface, can be very, very dangerous. Cat bites can be dangerous for >anyone, but with a suppressed immune system, apparently they can be fatal. >I was even told at Scripps that I might be told that we would have to get >rid of our 3 cats or I'd not be eligible for transpant. > >I didn't believe this could happen, especially since our very rowdy cat >Schuyler, who's been declawed, thinks that " fun " means biting. Sky nicked >me with a fang several times and I had no problem until last summer when he >barely broke the skin on my wrist. Within an hour there was a huge, red, >burning and aching welt rising up my arm. I felt it start the minute his >tooth broke the surface of my skin. Fortunately, I called a doctor >immediately and was given antibiotics right away. However, I was told that >I would have to be hospitalized if the infection didn't immediately >subside. After that I was seen daily until all trace of the infection was >gone (more than a week.) It wasn't a normal infection, either. No >draining, just a rock hard, deep red swelling. > >No, we didn't get rid of the cats nor would I have considered it for a >minute, but I was told to think of a cat bite as injecting myself with >deadly poison. I'm very careful with Sky now and one of the two other cats >(he was 18) has since died. The other one nips at me now and then but her >bites don't cause this reaction. If Sky even slightly breaks the skin >surface I immediately run water over the spot to try to wash away all >traces of his saliva then rub Neosporin into it. It seems to work but I >hope he never really bites me instead of just playing with me. (He thinks >I'm another cat, I think.) The thing is, I love the cats. They're like >friends and they are young and want to play. For some reason, I'm their >designated playmate (or maybe their designated toy). If I ignore them, >they'll pounce me from behind, grabbing the back of one of my legs as I >walk away. Sky weighs 20 lbs., by the way, but Angie is just a little >thing. > >Take care, >Geri > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >How many communities do you think join ONElist each day? > >More than 1,000! Create yours now! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please support the American Liver Foundation! > >1.) To subscribe send e-mail to -subscribeonelist >2.) To UNsubscribe send to -unsubscribeonelist >3.) Digest e-mail format send to -digestonelist >4.) Normal e-mail format send to -normalonelist _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 1999 Report Share Posted May 22, 1999 , One of the first things that was done after my positive diagnosis for AIH was immunization against almost everything! But I don't know if any of those immunizations included live viruses. I was a little rocky at the time and didn't absorbe 75% of what they were telling me. However, except for a chronic cough and congestion, I haven't been sick since those immunizations. Some of the immunizations that I remember were against pneumonia, polio and of course, flu. Despite having a very suppressed immune system after more than a year on immunosuppresants, I've only had one infection. I've posted a warning on this subject before, but at risk of sounding like an alarmist, I'll mention it again. A cat bite, even if the cat's tooth barely scratches the skin surface, can be very, very dangerous. Cat bites can be dangerous for anyone, but with a suppressed immune system, apparently they can be fatal. I was even told at Scripps that I might be told that we would have to get rid of our 3 cats or I'd not be eligible for transpant. I didn't believe this could happen, especially since our very rowdy cat Schuyler, who's been declawed, thinks that " fun " means biting. Sky nicked me with a fang several times and I had no problem until last summer when he barely broke the skin on my wrist. Within an hour there was a huge, red, burning and aching welt rising up my arm. I felt it start the minute his tooth broke the surface of my skin. Fortunately, I called a doctor immediately and was given antibiotics right away. However, I was told that I would have to be hospitalized if the infection didn't immediately subside. After that I was seen daily until all trace of the infection was gone (more than a week.) It wasn't a normal infection, either. No draining, just a rock hard, deep red swelling. No, we didn't get rid of the cats nor would I have considered it for a minute, but I was told to think of a cat bite as injecting myself with deadly poison. I'm very careful with Sky now and one of the two other cats (he was 18) has since died. The other one nips at me now and then but her bites don't cause this reaction. If Sky even slightly breaks the skin surface I immediately run water over the spot to try to wash away all traces of his saliva then rub Neosporin into it. It seems to work but I hope he never really bites me instead of just playing with me. (He thinks I'm another cat, I think.) The thing is, I love the cats. They're like friends and they are young and want to play. For some reason, I'm their designated playmate (or maybe their designated toy). If I ignore them, they'll pounce me from behind, grabbing the back of one of my legs as I walk away. Sky weighs 20 lbs., by the way, but Angie is just a little thing. Take care, Geri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 1999 Report Share Posted May 22, 1999 , I seem to be the opposite to you. Since being diagnosed with AIH I have had no mundane diseases like the flue etc. It is really strange. I hadn't realised this til a couple of months ago, but that is what is happening. Keep well. SueB. ---------- > From: <teers@...> > onelist > Subject: [ ] sickness > Date: Saturday, 22 May 1999 1:10 > > From: " " <teers@...> > > > Is it just me or does immuran and prednisone make people sick. My immune > system hasn't ever been very good and I just get sick all the time. Lik > right now I have a cold and a fever. It seems like I am always fighting > some sickness. Not to long ago I was in the hospital with influenza A. > > The doc said that these med's don't allow my immune system to work like it > normally should. As anyone else heard this from their doc. > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Having difficulty getting " in synch " with list members? > > Try ONElist's Shared Calendar to organize events, meetings and more! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please support the American Liver Foundation! > > 1.) To subscribe send e-mail to -subscribeonelist > 2.) To UNsubscribe send to -unsubscribeonelist > 3.) Digest e-mail format send to -digestonelist > 4.) Normal e-mail format send to -normalonelist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 1999 Report Share Posted May 22, 1999 Boy, do I agree about getting sick! I am an elementary school teacher and it has been miserable since I have been on the medication. Kids always have something and their hygiene habits are not the best. I just can't turn them away when they want to hold my hand or give me a hug. I keep hand sterilizer on my desk and apply often. I try never to touch my face. Hope medical science comes up with a better solution soon! Tami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 1999 Report Share Posted May 22, 1999 , I've never worried much about immunizations because I was so rarely sick before AIH. When everyone else got flu, I seldom did. Got it all out of my system when I was a child and went through the whole measles, mumps, etc. cycle. The immunization routine is part of the pre-transplant program that Scripps put me through and this was a four and a half day schedule of medical testing and events that I think that they follow for all transplant candidates. However, the immunizations were also before I'd been taking Prednisone and Imuran for more than a couple of weeks so my immune system wasn't yet suppressed like it would become later. I'm guessing that the reason for this is because after being on immunosuppressants for awhile, we have less ability to resist these diseases and they can pose a life threatening danger. In the long run, we each have to trust and follow the advice of our own doctors (or find new doctors if we can't or won't) because they are our lifeline. We have to assume that they are considering what is best for us, so if your doctor rules out vaccinations for you, the reasons must be valid. Many months ago I read some in-depth articles on treatment of AIH patients and liver transplant candidates. It brought to my attention that most Hepatologists follow a specific program but they're not all alike. So, for example, Hepatologists in California might follow programs established by one of the major transplant centers on the West Coast while Hepatologists in the eastern US might follow a different program. Success ratios from the different program vary. It's confusing for a group like ours because we live all over the map. Take care, Geri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 1999 Report Share Posted October 25, 1999 Hello all, I am hyper and to tell you the truth I have not had any sickness since the being of my thyroid problem five and a half years ago. Before this I got sick around winter every year for about a week or so. Raven -- MZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 get a cough assist and/or maybe have someone push on you diaphram when you cough. cough assists are a freaking miracle. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Kendra it really sounds like you have the flu. Please call your dr to get some flumadine (medication that helps kill the virus faster) ASAP as it only works if you take it in the first couple of days. I don¹t have much typing strength tonight but if you could have a respiratory therapist come to your home to give you treatments (or teach someone else how to do it) that would help a lot too. On 12/23/03 9:40 PM, " kendrascalia " <kendra@...> wrote: > hello everyone. im at my moms for the holidays and this morning i > woke up with something really nasty. i have headache, dizziness, > fever, coughing, itchy throat, chest congestion, and aches and pains > all over my body. once my mom heard the littlest congestion she gave > me a decongestant and ive been sitting near a humidifier with vicks. > the problem is, ive gotten much weaker since ive been this ill, and i > dont have the muscle to cough anymore. when i try, its more like a > noise of clearing your throat and it isnt getting anything from my > chest out. we've tried bending over and coughing and banging on my > chest. it helps, but someone cant be here all the time doing this. my > mom has MS and hasnt been out of bed in almost over a month until > this morning when she heard me. does anyone know of any other ways to > help me cough or get this out easier? (and yes, i will see a doctor > if this persists a few days.) > > thanks, > kendra > > > > > A FEW RULES > > * The list members come from many backgrounds, ages and beliefs So all > members most be tolerant and respectful to all members. > > * Some adult language and topics (like sexual health, swearing..) may > occur occasionally in emails. Over use of inappropriate language will > not be allowed. If your under 16 ask your parents/gaurdian before you > join the list. > > * No SPAMMING or sending numerous emails unrelated to the topics of > spinal muscular atrophy, health, and the daily issues of the disabled. > > Post message: > Subscribe: -subscribe > Unsubscribe: -unsubscribe > > List manager: (Sexy Mature Artist) Email: Esma1999@... > > > > > oogroups.com > > List manager: (Sexy Mature Artist) Email: Esma1999@... > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 This sounds like the flu. If you start the antiviral medication within 24 hours of the first symptoms it will reduce the severity and the length of the sickness. I'd suggest you go to the doctor NOW so that you can get on it. I'd second 's suggestion of a cough machine. Get a script written ASAP. At 03:40 AM 12/24/2003 +0000, you wrote: >hello everyone. im at my moms for the holidays and this morning i >woke up with something really nasty. i have headache, dizziness, >fever, coughing, itchy throat, chest congestion, and aches and pains >all over my body. once my mom heard the littlest congestion she gave >me a decongestant and ive been sitting near a humidifier with vicks. >the problem is, ive gotten much weaker since ive been this ill, and i >dont have the muscle to cough anymore. when i try, its more like a >noise of clearing your throat and it isnt getting anything from my >chest out. we've tried bending over and coughing and banging on my >chest. it helps, but someone cant be here all the time doing this. my >mom has MS and hasnt been out of bed in almost over a month until >this morning when she heard me. does anyone know of any other ways to >help me cough or get this out easier? (and yes, i will see a doctor >if this persists a few days.) > >thanks, >kendra > > > >A FEW RULES > >* The list members come from many backgrounds, ages and beliefs So all >members most be tolerant and respectful to all members. > >* Some adult language and topics (like sexual health, swearing..) may >occur occasionally in emails. Over use of inappropriate language will >not be allowed. If your under 16 ask your parents/gaurdian before you >join the list. > >* No SPAMMING or sending numerous emails unrelated to the topics of >spinal muscular atrophy, health, and the daily issues of the disabled. > >Post message: >Subscribe: -subscribe >Unsubscribe: -unsubscribe > >List manager: (Sexy Mature Artist) Email: Esma1999@... > > > > >oogroups.com > >List manager: (Sexy Mature Artist) Email: Esma1999@... > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 I was told by both MDA and LUNG drs never to use Vick's . It help get rid of mucus but it thicker with Vick's. With the inability to cough anyway it only makes matters worse. I was told to always use Rubitussin and drink plenty of fluids. I never take any chances with colds or flue I visit the doctor right away. Hope you'll be feeling well soon and Seasons Greetings to everybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 On 11/20/2005 at 12:35:14 A.M. Central Standard Time you wrote: Who's had aspiration, pneumonia, sinusitis associated with achalsia? I think most of us have had aspiration. I had aspiration pneumonia and spent 4 days in the hospital. I think that's about the sickest I have ever been. I also had a horrible cold. My head was stopped up and I was constantly choking on white foam. I couldn't make the nurses understand why I couldn't breath through my mouth. They wouldn't bring me any meds without the doctor's approval and wouldn't call him. I finally called my husband in the middle of the night to bring me something to help open up my head and in the meantime stood at the sink with hot cloths across my face to try to breath until the meds could work. Maggie Alabama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 I have had aspiration and sinusitis -- gratefully not pnemonia! > > Who's had aspiration, pneumonia, sinusitis associated with achalsia? > > All that feculent food goes somewhere when you lie down. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 I had bronchitis a lot before my surgery. From: achalasia [mailto:achalasia ] On Behalf Of LunaIam2@... Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 12:35 PM achalasia Subject: Re: Sickness On 11/20/2005 at 12:35:14 A.M. Central Standard Time you wrote: Who's had aspiration, pneumonia, sinusitis associated with achalsia? I think most of us have had aspiration. I had aspiration pneumonia and spent 4 days in the hospital. I think that's about the sickest I have ever been. I also had a horrible cold. My head was stopped up and I was constantly choking on white foam. I couldn't make the nurses understand why I couldn't breath through my mouth. They wouldn't bring me any meds without the doctor's approval and wouldn't call him. I finally called my husband in the middle of the night to bring me something to help open up my head and in the meantime stood at the sink with hot cloths across my face to try to breath until the meds could work. Maggie Alabama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 I had aspirated a piece of meat. I ended up with an abscess the size of a softball in my right lung. I was in ICU for 4 days. Nearly killed me. I had reoccurring infections for 8 years. All in all I have been hospitalized 4 times with pneumonia due to aspiration. in Pittsburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 I developed a case of aspiration pneumonia last fall....2 weeks after giving birth to my second baby they had to re-admit me to the hospital for 13 days to kick the pneumonia. Not fun at all. in NY Who's had aspiration, pneumonia, sinusitis associated with achalsia? All that feculent food goes somewhere when you lie down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Hi Steve, No I have never had a nebulizer that I know of. What are they? I had multiple problems leading to the aspirations. in Pittsburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 > > I had aspirated a piece of meat. I ended up with an abscess the size of a > softball in my right lung. I was in ICU for 4 days. Nearly killed me. I had > reoccurring infections for 8 years. > > All in all I have been hospitalized 4 times with pneumonia due to > aspiration. > > in Pittsburgh > Hello have you ever used a nebulizer to clear your lung passages, as a result of multiple episodic aspiration, bronchitis, pneumonia, etc.? I do. steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 > > > > I had aspirated a piece of meat. I ended up with an abscess the > size of a > > softball in my right lung. I was in ICU for 4 days. Nearly > killed me. I had > > reoccurring infections for 8 years. > > > > All in all I have been hospitalized 4 times with pneumonia due to > > aspiration. > > > > in Pittsburgh > > > Hello > > > have you ever used a nebulizer to clear your lung passages, as a > result of multiple episodic aspiration, bronchitis, pneumonia, etc.? > > I do. > > steve >One of my better gastroenterologists gave me blueprints for some " aesthetic " bed post blocks to prop up the bed. Anything can be used, but he said not to prop your head up with pillows---that would only make things worse. steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 In a message dated 3/6/06 10:24:43 PM Central Standard Time, howmanymore1000@... writes: > After having 2 water enemas and 2 coffee enemas my wife is suffering > sickness..now I'm only assuming this could be linked..anyone any ideas? > > Was she ill before the enemas? And what kind of sickness are you speaking of that she is experiencing Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 After having 2 water enemas and 2 coffee enemas my wife is suffering sickness..now I'm only assuming this could be linked..anyone any ideas? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. I would question as to how much preparation went into doing these. It very well could be that she is suffering from Herxheimer's syndrome. It is a condition where the body may become overloaded with various toxins from various sources like dieing parasites to just the release of toxins from fat cells. A coffee enema is an extremely powerful liver stimulation method and can certainly bring on some very uncomfortable conditions. It can be likened to doing an overload of exercise to try to acquire a muscular physic in a very short period of time. It causes various other problems similar to the muscles reactions to extreme exercise without a proper buildup to the desired goal. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 > > After having 2 water enemas and 2 coffee enemas my wife is suffering > sickness..now I'm only assuming this could be linked..anyone any ideas? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > > I would question as to how much preparation went into doing these. It very well could be that she is suffering from Herxheimer's syndrome. It is a condition where the body may become overloaded with various toxins from various sources like dieing parasites to just the release of toxins from fat cells. > > A coffee enema is an extremely powerful liver stimulation method and can certainly bring on some very uncomfortable conditions. It can be likened to doing an overload of exercise to try to acquire a muscular physic in a very short period of time. It causes various other problems similar to the muscles reactions to extreme exercise without a proper buildup to the desired goal. > > Dale > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Elaborate what you mean by preparation? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is meant by preparation has to do with realizing that the bowels and liver are synerginically related, very much so. Cleansing the colon has a lot to do with cleansing the liver and if it is in trouble then doing a coffee enema is going to stimulate the liver to cleanse too. Coffee enemas are for the liver cleansing process and not so much for the bowels. It is like going to the max in the liver cleansing process to have done a coffee enema before doing enemas to simply clear the bowels and still gently stimulate the liver to do its job and help it in doing so. Liver dumps, those actions that occur once the bowels are clear of matter will be of various colors and may in one dump be dark and another may be florecent. This is when the liver has started to clear excesses of toxins in it. Generally speaking it is an enduced diarrhea. The process of having diarrhea is the body's attempt to clear itself of various toxins that may have entered the body and of which the liver is attempting to get out as fast as it can. Consider the time of the gurgle that is felt and the act of the movement. The distance the matter dumped from the liver is pushed by the small intestines to the large intestines is around 22 to 26 feet. Think of pushing a ball with a Tee stick 20 feet and how fast you can do that and it should help to visualize what the small intestines is doing wth the watery matter. What needed to be done before doing an enema containing such a strong stimulant for the liver would have been a diet of foods that will help in getting it to be prepared for such a dynamic cleansing action. What types of foods? Foods for the liver are those that help it and will help the body in general. A great book regarding the liver and its cleansing as well as a diet by which to do so is " The Liver Cleansing Diet " by Dr. Cabot. http://www.liverdoctor.com/ The information contained in her book has helped me to keep my gallbladder when my doctor wanted me to have it removed in 1999. The type of foods of which contain essential fatty acids and are void of saturated and trans fats goes a long way towards getting the liver prepared, not to mention it is also a great weight control process too without having to deal wtih Herxhiemer's reaction. Hydrogenated foods are to be avoided like a plague. However, although having a lot of saturated fat, avacados are quite alright to eat because of the type of saturated fat that is acquired from them. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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