Undetectable

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What a fantastic day! I want to ask everyone what they know about silk worms and the immune system. I will post part of a letter to my sisters and Mom here by way of explanation. I had a great day today! Today I went to the flower market. I spent about one weeks food money buying flowers for my doctor. I don't have a lot of extra money, so I may be eating rice for the next week, but I don't care. When I arrived at my doctor's home, she invited me in, thanked me for the flowers, fed me and gave me some more medicine. During the meal we talked more about my last test results. I can read the numbers, and I know which tests represent what. But what I didn't know, was what the Chinese characters on both sides of the numbers that correspond to my viral load meant. I could not read them. She said the first one, infront of the numbers, means less than, ( <

). And the ones after basically say undetectable. My test results looked something like this ( # 5X10^2 #%##% ) All I could read were the numbers, which were very low, and I've been praising my doctor all week. My last test 6 months ago was 6X10^6 Which means 60*10*10*10*10*10 or 6,000,000 per ml. Pretty high. What she told me today is that 5X10^2 is the least amount the assay test can detect. I am, as of my test one week ago, undetectable! I talked to her for hours. There are three possible explanations. Spontaneous immune response. The fact that I was in love for the last three months. Or the one or two times I ate a very expensive Chinese medicine that was given me by another doctor/friend. This medicine is actually dead silk worms. These silk worms died because they ate the spore of one particular fungus. The fungus needs the

silk worms. It only grow in the stomach of the silk worm. It grows quickly, killing the silk worm, sprouts out of the head of the worm and releases a new batch of spores. Now how in the name of God did someone figure out that these dead silk worms can increase the body's immune system. I don't know, but I'm glad they did. I give this idea the most weight for two reasons. First, the way I found out about this medicine. I was working for a Korean man and had told him I was HCV positive. One day he called me to his office and introduced me to a friend of his from Korea. This man was an electrical enginneer and what I would call a psycic. He did not touch me, nor ask me anything except to hold still and clear my mind. After about five minutes in some form of light trance, He told me about most every medical problem I had ever had, told me I had only one current problem and it was my liver. He told

me that God had told him to have me take this medicine. All this happened about 6 months ago. The medicine is very expensive, and I thought the man was too strange to put much faith in, so I didn't even try to buy it. Then one day about two months ago I saw these dried silk worms at my doctor friend's house. She said they had been given to her family by a grateful patient, that they increase the immune system, that they were very expensive, and then she gave them to me. I later found out how expensive they are. The jar, about half full, would cost about 10,000 yuan, or $1250.00 US. I really want to find out more about this stuff now. I wish my Chinese was better. There is still much I can not understand. What I do understand is that fate, or God, or luck, puts the things I need easily within my grasp. I will never need anything that I don't already have, or can easily get. Just please let

everyone that cares about me know... TODAY I AM UNDETECTABLE! Then some mushy stuff to my family. I personally know that God works in mysterious ways. And I don't want to start any kind of religous discussion, but I need to say that I am not religous, and God is apparently ok with that. Eat well, sleep well, be well!Jackie on wrote: Hi there GF,, MY ex lives in Ok city,, and has now married a millionaire,, figures huh? Oh well, I hope she got a prenupt... cuz when the money is gone,, so will he,,, ack,,Janet wrote: Hey

Cyn, Hi ya Neighbor. My name is Janet and I live in Oklahoma. Small world huh. Welcome to our group. Love Janet"M.E. Katz" wrote: Hello Jax and thank you for all the information. It's amazing the amount of misinformation there is out there. I'll take the information to heart espcially about diet. I believe Brad is hypoglycemic and I have been since I was a kid so I'm very careful about food.I don't remember what Brad's labs were and he has not had a liver biopsy yet. The last liver funtion test turned out ok. He is not on any medication to treat Hep C. We were told that he will not be able to be treated for the Hep cause

he suffers from extreme depression. I have read there are some new meds out there that might be ok even if you have depression.I'm keeping my fingers crossed.I'm sooo glad you are in remission. It gives me hope!Thank you again,Cyn>> Hi Cyn> First off let me say welcome! This is a great group and you will find that you are just starting NOW to meet some of the greatest ppl on the face of this earth!> About the fatigue, YES, that IS part of hep c,, IF I dont take provigil in the morning, I will sleep around the clock and never feel like I have gotten enough rest.. so yes,, > NO< NO< NO<< low protein is NOT good for your liver UNLESS your liver is decompensated.. The liver NEEDS good protein to do its job.. that is NOT a high protein diet, but adequate,, you need about 1 ounce of protein for every Kilo of weight you are.. One should

ONLY reduce the protein when your liver is decompensated and that can only be figured out with lots of labs and a biopsy of liver tissue.. IN fact when you are on treatment, you NEED to have a protein based diet for the meds to work,, that does not mean all steak, bacon, etc,, it means low fat chicken, fish, some red meats,, cheeses, good protein shakes etc,, and lots of fresh vegies and fruits,, cut back on the starches,, white breads, white rice, white pasta, white sugars etc,Many people with HepC end up becoming diabetic too, so reducing the kinds of foods that break down into simple sugars quickly is a good thing for BOTH hep c and diabetes!, > When I found out I had hep,, I had had it for almost 23 years and I had a lot of damage,, but I did treat and it has been in remission now 3 years!! I finished my tx in Feb 03 and Im still undetectible, so treatment does work for some people.. I was genotype 1 which is

most common in the USA but is the hardest to treat... Has Brad had a biopsy to see what if any damage he has? What genotype is he? How are his labs? (alt/ast,protime,albumin, biliruben?) We suggest every one with this disease get copies of ALL labs, all biopsies, everything and keep it in a file at home..> If he is really really tired, it may be from not getting enough protein,, or it might be that his disease IS progressing,, its hard to say.. tell us more... > Welcome hon, I hope you will come by often and let us know how you are doing and ask as many questions as you can!> hugs> jax> There are souls in this world which have the gift of finding joy everywhere and of leaving it behind them when they go." -Frederick Faber Jackie

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WOW! this IS FANTASTIC!!! I dont know anything about silkworms,, but I would love to find out more about them... Our bodies are amazing when given the right stuff,, it CAN and DOES heal itself.. and remember 'some' ppl do in fact clear this virus on their own with their own immune system,, but usually its in the first year of infection,, but do NOT rule ANYTHING OUT... At this point in time,, there is nothing "natural" that I know of that will cure this virus,, but the point being in this sentence is that "that I know of".. I hardly know anything,, there is much to learn.. Thanks for sharing with us,, now I want to learn more and you gotta help us,, hehe love jaxHunter wrote: What a fantastic day! I want to ask everyone what they know about

silk worms and the immune system. I will post part of a letter to my sisters and Mom here by way of explanation. I had a great day today! Today I went to the flower market. I spent about one weeks food money buying flowers for my doctor. I don't have a lot of extra money, so I may be eating rice for the next week, but I don't care. When I arrived at my doctor's home, she invited me in, thanked me for the flowers, fed me and gave me some more medicine. During the meal we talked more about my last test results. I can read the numbers, and I know which tests represent what. But what I didn't know, was what the Chinese characters on both sides of the numbers that correspond to my viral load meant. I could not read them. She said the first one, infront of the numbers, means less than, ( < ). And the ones after basically say undetectable. My test results

looked something like this ( # 5X10^2 #%##% ) All I could read were the numbers, which were very low, and I've been praising my doctor all week. My last test 6 months ago was 6X10^6 Which means 60*10*10*10*10*10 or 6,000,000 per ml. Pretty high. What she told me today is that 5X10^2 is the least amount the assay test can detect. I am, as of my test one week ago, undetectable! I talked to her for hours. There are three possible explanations. Spontaneous immune response. The fact that I was in love for the last three months. Or the one or two times I ate a very expensive Chinese medicine that was given me by another doctor/friend. This medicine is actually dead silk worms. These silk worms died because they ate the spore of one particular fungus. The fungus needs the silk worms. It only grow in the stomach of the silk worm. It grows

quickly, killing the silk worm, sprouts out of the head of the worm and releases a new batch of spores. Now how in the name of God did someone figure out that these dead silk worms can increase the body's immune system. I don't know, but I'm glad they did. I give this idea the most weight for two reasons. First, the way I found out about this medicine. I was working for a Korean man and had told him I was HCV positive. One day he called me to his office and introduced me to a friend of his from Korea. This man was an electrical enginneer and what I would call a psycic. He did not touch me, nor ask me anything except to hold still and clear my mind. After about five minutes in some form of light trance, He told me about most every medical problem I had ever had, told me I had only one current problem and it was my liver. He told me that God had told him to have me take this medicine. All this happened

about 6 months ago. The medicine is very expensive, and I thought the man was too strange to put much faith in, so I didn't even try to buy it. Then one day about two months ago I saw these dried silk worms at my doctor friend's house. She said they had been given to her family by a grateful patient, that they increase the immune system, that they were very expensive, and then she gave them to me. I later found out how expensive they are. The jar, about half full, would cost about 10,000 yuan, or $1250.00 US. I really want to find out more about this stuff now. I wish my Chinese was better. There is still much I can not understand. What I do understand is that fate, or God, or luck, puts the things I need easily within my grasp. I will never need anything that I don't already have, or can easily get. Just please let everyone that cares about me know... TODAY I AM UNDETECTABLE!

Then some mushy stuff to my family. I personally know that God works in mysterious ways. And I don't want to start any kind of religous discussion, but I need to say that I am not religous, and God is apparently ok with that. Eat well, sleep well, be well!Jackie on wrote: Hi there GF,, MY ex lives in Ok city,, and has now married a millionaire,, figures huh? Oh well, I hope she got a prenupt... cuz when the money is gone,, so will he,,, ack,,Janet wrote: Hey Cyn, Hi ya Neighbor. My name is Janet and I live in

Oklahoma. Small world huh. Welcome to our group. Love Janet"M.E. Katz" wrote: Hello Jax and thank you for all the information. It's amazing the amount of misinformation there is out there. I'll take the information to heart espcially about diet. I believe Brad is hypoglycemic and I have been since I was a kid so I'm very careful about food.I don't remember what Brad's labs were and he has not had a liver biopsy yet. The last liver funtion test turned out ok. He is not on any medication to treat Hep C. We were told that he will not be able to be treated for the Hep cause he suffers from extreme depression. I have read there are some new meds

out there that might be ok even if you have depression.I'm keeping my fingers crossed.I'm sooo glad you are in remission. It gives me hope!Thank you again,Cyn>> Hi Cyn> First off let me say welcome! This is a great group and you will find that you are just starting NOW to meet some of the greatest ppl on the face of this earth!> About the fatigue, YES, that IS part of hep c,, IF I dont take provigil in the morning, I will sleep around the clock and never feel like I have gotten enough rest.. so yes,, > NO< NO< NO<< low protein is NOT good for your liver UNLESS your liver is decompensated.. The liver NEEDS good protein to do its job.. that is NOT a high protein diet, but adequate,, you need about 1 ounce of protein for every Kilo of weight you are.. One should ONLY reduce the protein when your liver is decompensated and that can only be

figured out with lots of labs and a biopsy of liver tissue.. IN fact when you are on treatment, you NEED to have a protein based diet for the meds to work,, that does not mean all steak, bacon, etc,, it means low fat chicken, fish, some red meats,, cheeses, good protein shakes etc,, and lots of fresh vegies and fruits,, cut back on the starches,, white breads, white rice, white pasta, white sugars etc,Many people with HepC end up becoming diabetic too, so reducing the kinds of foods that break down into simple sugars quickly is a good thing for BOTH hep c and diabetes!, > When I found out I had hep,, I had had it for almost 23 years and I had a lot of damage,, but I did treat and it has been in remission now 3 years!! I finished my tx in Feb 03 and Im still undetectible, so treatment does work for some people.. I was genotype 1 which is most common in the USA but is the hardest to treat... Has Brad had a biopsy

to see what if any damage he has? What genotype is he? How are his labs? (alt/ast,protime,albumin, biliruben?) We suggest every one with this disease get copies of ALL labs, all biopsies, everything and keep it in a file at home..> If he is really really tired, it may be from not getting enough protein,, or it might be that his disease IS progressing,, its hard to say.. tell us more... > Welcome hon, I hope you will come by often and let us know how you are doing and ask as many questions as you can!> hugs> jax> There are souls in this world which have the gift of finding joy everywhere and of leaving it behind them when they go." -Frederick Faber Jackie What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos Jackie