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Logan is chelating and using enzymes (as most here are tired of

hearing about). ;)

In my opinion the enzymes are good support for the gut while

chelating for many reasons, but the main one being that the Pep has

glutamine. I would say that the enzymes have done the most good in

healing Logan's leaky gut. I think this because his poops are now

fully digested and he has no food reactions any more. He also gets

milk thistle for liver support, glutathione, and nystatin to keep

yeast in check. All of these are good for healing the gut AND

chelating. I don't think the gut can be COMPLETELY healed before

starting chelation, because the metals will keep causing the gut

problems (and this might be why you're having such a hard time of

it), but if you have a good handle on the gut issues with the right

supplements, then the chelation shouldn't make the gut worse and it

will eventually heal up for good.

I hope this helps in some way. :)

Kaye

> We have just recieved our son's first heavy metals test results

today.  We

> also did a urine test but have not recieved the results back

in.  The test

> was done through Great Plains, and Doctor's Data.    High in

arsenic,

> uranium, and nickel.  Antimony, lead, tin are borderline.  Very low

on

> magnesium, manganese, selenium, germanium. His zinc/Cd ratio was

very high.

> High in the yellow on sodium, potassium, molybdenum, boron.

> Does anyone know of more sources for uranium?  We've not done any

mercruy

> provoking or chelation yet.  We've been so wrapped up in trying

to heal his

> gut- without a lot of luck so far, that we've kind of been lax on

the whole

> heavy metals issues.  I thought you really had to get the kid

healthy before

> you could go to chelation.  

> Is anyone out there doing enzymes and chelation? Donna, Kingwood, TX

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>>We've been so wrapped up in trying to heal his gut- without a lot

of luck so far, that we've kind of been lax on the whole heavy metals

issues.  I thought you really had to get the kid healthy before you

could go to chelation.  

I have looked into the chelating thing, but because the boys are

doing so well now, I opted for detox the slow way. I agree with

Kaye in that everything I read says that it is better to

be " healthier " before chelation, but that you cannot get completely

better or completely heal the gut because the metals are causing a

bunch of the problems. Maybe this is to mean get yeast/bacteria

overgrowth under control (not completely eliminated), have a detox

and vitamin support program in place and other things. The enzymes

should help to override the some of the effects of the metals and

help in gut healing. One of the reasons a gut gets leaky in the first

place is due to insufficiently digested proteins.

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Hi Donna,

I'm doing both with my 10 year old. We've done 4 rounds of chelation and 3

weeks of the enzymes so far. I think the enzymes seem to be working well.

I'm not so sure about the chelation at this point. It has been a neutral

experience so far. We will be doing a stool sample with our next round to

see how much he is excreting. If you have questions I'd be happy to try to

answer anything I can. Pat

>Is anyone out there doing enzymes and chelation? Donna, Kingwood, TX

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If you are looking for a germanium supplement, AMNI (Advanced Medical Nutrition

INc.) puts out a sublingual that's great for kids who don't take capsules or

tablets easily. Website is www.douglaslabs.com. We've been using the 150 mg

size once daily for more than ten years. And whenever we'd take it away, we'd

see regresssion or hyperactivity. Hope this helps a bit.

Joan

[ ] heavy metals

We have just recieved our son's first heavy metals test results today. We

also did a urine test but have not recieved the results back in. The test

was done through Great Plains, and Doctor's Data. High in arsenic,

uranium, and nickel. Antimony, lead, tin are borderline. Very low on

magnesium, manganese, selenium, germanium. His zinc/Cd ratio was very high.

High in the yellow on sodium, potassium, molybdenum, boron.

Does anyone know of more sources for uranium? We've not done any mercruy

provoking or chelation yet. We've been so wrapped up in trying to heal his

gut- without a lot of luck so far, that we've kind of been lax on the whole

heavy metals issues. I thought you really had to get the kid healthy before

you could go to chelation.

Is anyone out there doing enzymes and chelation? Donna, Kingwood, TX

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Kaye, This is Donna C in NC. I was reading post of Donna in TX.

I really did not know anything about heavy metals . Are ya'll saying

that the leaky gut causes absorption of heavy metals that possibly

could have gotten leaky because of heavy metals. And now that they

are there they prevent the gut from healing? Is there anything

naturally you can do to help this. We are on day 4 of enzymes and I

think I see a whisper of an improvement. Seem like the talking versus

fighting ratio between my two youngest is better . I also think I

have heard more normal voice during the day. He is still a little

hyper. Especially towards the late afternoon. No bed wetting because

I keep getting him up early. hehe. Besides my 7 year old my oldest

(19) is trying them to see if they help chronic allergies , asthma

amd stomach trouble. He has really been sick . Is it possible to feel

really sick with reaction?We went to DR and he advised my son to keep

a food diary. I am sorry got off subject.I would like to see some

good sites on heavy metal if you know some.

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Donna,

Concerning your older son, it could be a reaction depending on what

kind of symptoms he is reporting. It is common to have some diarrhea

at first and/or mild stomachaches. What are his symptoms? I had

mild stomachaches after each dose of enzymes for about two weeks.

> Kaye, This is Donna C in NC. I was reading post of Donna in

TX.

> I really did not know anything about heavy metals . Are ya'll

saying

> that the leaky gut causes absorption of heavy metals that possibly

> could have gotten leaky because of heavy metals. And now that they

> are there they prevent the gut from healing? Is there anything

> naturally you can do to help this. We are on day 4 of enzymes and I

> think I see a whisper of an improvement. Seem like the talking

versus

> fighting ratio between my two youngest is better . I also think I

> have heard more normal voice during the day. He is still a little

> hyper. Especially towards the late afternoon. No bed wetting

because

> I keep getting him up early. hehe. Besides my 7 year old my oldest

> (19) is trying them to see if they help chronic allergies , asthma

> amd stomach trouble. He has really been sick . Is it possible to

feel

> really sick with reaction?We went to DR and he advised my son to

keep

> a food diary. I am sorry got off subject.I would like to see some

> good sites on heavy metal if you know some.

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He has a lot of naseau and headaches. He has been having them all

summer but they seemed to have gotten worse. Everything checked out finr on

lab tests at dr. I think we will keep on them and see what happens. Thanks

Donna

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>>Are ya'll saying that the leaky gut causes absorption of heavy

metals that possibly

> could have gotten leaky because of heavy metals. And now that they

> are there they prevent the gut from healing? Is there anything

> naturally you can do to help this?

I think it is something in the body does not process the metals

correctly to detox it and you can get heavy metal build-up from a

variety of sources. One effect of too much metals is they inhibit the

digestive enzymes, particularly the ones the degrade casein. Because

the foods are insufficiently broken down, this irritates and weakens

the gut lining. This is one way to get leaky gut. Another way is from

yeast or bacteria overgrowth. I am not sure if you had a leaky gut

first, this would cause absorbtion of metals which then continues the

downhill cycle.

The sites Kaye listed should recommend some natural ways to help

this besides enzymes (vitamin C for example is a natural chelator).

Also there is a group autism treatment that deals with this:

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> Hi,

> Arent the heavy metals mixed in with the silicone major contributors

> to many of the problems?

Leda,

It is thought that platinum is a major culprit. Platinum is very toxic! If

you look at the symptoms associated with other heavy metal toxicity, such as

mercury, cadmium, nickel, etc., you will find many of the same symptoms as

we display.

Patty

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Yes, there are several. You can get tested through many naturopathic

medical doctors clinics, when asking specifically for heavy metals tests,

and some will use different labs. Mine was done through MetaMetrix Clinical

Labs in Norcross, Georgia. It was a 24 hour urine test, and I did a baseline

test followed by a DMSA challenge.

You can see MetaMetrix's website here:

http://www.metametrix.com/

It used to be a much more comprehensive website. I will see if I can find

the websites of the other labs I know have tested for this. Dr. Kolb may

also be able to answer this question more thoroughly.

Patty

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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 2:51 PM

Subject: heavy metals

> Is there a test you can take for heavy metals?

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We use hair analysis for screening. Please call Vicki at 770-390-0012 for

prices and instructions on how to do this. This test can be mailed to you.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Patty <fdp@...>

< >

Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 12:55 AM

Subject: Re: heavy metals

> Yes, there are several. You can get tested through many naturopathic

> medical doctors clinics, when asking specifically for heavy metals tests,

> and some will use different labs. Mine was done through MetaMetrix

Clinical

> Labs in Norcross, Georgia. It was a 24 hour urine test, and I did a

baseline

> test followed by a DMSA challenge.

>

> You can see MetaMetrix's website here:

> http://www.metametrix.com/

>

> It used to be a much more comprehensive website. I will see if I can find

> the websites of the other labs I know have tested for this. Dr. Kolb may

> also be able to answer this question more thoroughly.

>

> Patty

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <criviezzi@...>

> < >

> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 2:51 PM

> Subject: heavy metals

>

>

> > Is there a test you can take for heavy metals?

> >

> >

> >

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