Re: aspergers at 2?

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Thanks Lori,

We have the fridge and a 3 ring binder with the same info too. It

does work wonders. She loves her book and it is cute because I can tell when

she is getting anxious she will open the binder and say Hmmmm oh we have …… it

is just super cute the way she does it.

Thanks ,

We are pretty good about talking things through with her. Ella

does have food issues too, I always bragged about how my kids love fresh raw

veggies but now I realize why it is a sensory thing with her, but at least it

is a good thing. On the other end she will not eat anything if she knows it has

cheese or anything with a cheesy consistency. She does love Kraft only Mac n

Cheese as long as I take the cheese out “hold the cheese mom†I do make it with

the cheese but it doesn’t have the consistency of homemade mac n cheese.

Just yesterday we had an A-Ha moment at the doctor’s office. Truth

be told at times we are still wrapping our heads around it. Today just plain

sucks! Do you guys ever just let the kids do whatever to a degree because you

just don’t have the energy? To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 1:07 PM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

And I forgot to mention my son is almost 10, so maybe around 8 he started to calm down and communicate his anxiety better about directions/ driving issues. To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:06 PM

Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

Hi, My son also had this "directional spidey sense" (what I call it) and I can only say within the last year, year and a half has he gotten better. We have a trailor on a campground about 90 mins from our house. His grandparents go one way and Dad and I go another. It used to drive him NUTS!! But now it's not an issue. Usually he'll just ask me if we are going a different way. He still gets anxious, but has the vocabulary or the ability to ask anxiety lowering questions. For example we live not far from the Philly airport and I-95 can be murder....I can exit the highway/ freeway and take back roads and pick back up the highway again in another area to get around traffic and he'll just say, "Hey Mom, why are you getting off

here? (I'll explain) How

long does this

way take? Are we going to make it on time?" etc. Once I've answered all his immediate questions he'll usually sit back and relax and know that we are going to get there ok. I think b/c we live in a city-ish area and b/c there are many ways to get to the same place helps!! I think they get this maze programmed into their heads and then it's so hard to break away from whatever route is normal for them. Same thing with food....try getting them to eat it a different way, etc......they are stuck in the pattern. Good luck! I know this is just another layer of difficulty for you, but it gets better. Try to stay calm and talk talk talk about it. When they can communicate and you can communicate it seems to lower at least my son's anxiety about a new path or a new way.... To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

Ha-Ha Lori,

Yes I have done the same thing too, going in different

directions ends up in an epic fail! I will hear no no no turn here go left

there go right there...... I am originally from Chicago and it is easy to get

around up there. I now live in a small town somewhere close to the gates of

hell. Anyways, I would get so lost if I tried too many different ways on these

back roads.

Is you son rigid about certain clothing on certain days and extra

classes or activities on certain days? I know I am screwed because next week they

don't have gymnastics, I have been telling her no gymnastics since last week, I

put it in her schedule book but she says we have to go at 6:30...

Jane: do you ever change things up and if so how does it turn out?

: What age do you think they out grow this? I do see where

it does currently interfere with some of her activities and thinking process.

: Thanks. I know our daughter has anxiety and lately it has

shown up more often. She spins, rocks and stands on her head more often. As for her making friends she is 4.5 but she will talk to other

kids and they are not very nice, sort of clicky. The other day I spied on her

in the church nursery and she wanted to play with the other kids but the other

kids didn’t want a part of it. I felt sad for her. BUT I also wondered if they

dissed her because they don’t really know her? BTW she would never go in the nursery

and now she has been asking to go there. To:

"autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

Haha! Total OCD! . I tried to keep things like that from happening by always going different directions in the car, parking in different places, etc etc. But there are still some things my son is very rigid about. 1/2 the time I don't even know he already had a picture in his head of the way it was @suppose" to go!Sent from my iPhone

Omg I live what you just described- Sent from my iPhone

We had early intervention come out when our daughter was almost two

and a half. After spending several hours that first day the lady asked our

permission to have others out to observe. Within a couple of weeks several

different people came out they told us to get referred to Children’s Hospital. After

a year of many L-O-N-GGGG appointments with several autism specialists and tons

of testing, our daughter was formally dx’ed with Asperger’s at the age of three

and a half.

As for our daughter’s speech, she did not speak until she

was almost two and a half; when she started speaking she was very articulate

with a flat and monotone voice.

Someone others mentioned OCD. I am not familiar with OCD. Our

friends call my husband and I, OCD we laugh but we really don’t know what OCD

is…. I think we just like things neat and tidy. We don’t get bent out of shape

if things are out of order, we may let the house go for a day or so. Are the

example below OCD or just part of aspergers?

After church we go to the same restaurant and she is not

happy if someone is in her seat. I tell her she needs to share her seat and she

still pitches a fit. Now we just go earlier so we can get “her†seat. She wants

the same thing, same order, same everything.

When we go to the grocery she is upset when someone parks in

“our†spot. The other day I needed diapers so I took her with and cut between

two registers instead of walking around the entire store. She got bent out of

shape because we are supposed to go through the produce section first and she

was bent because someone was parked in our spot.

At home she needs things need to be placed in the same spot?

She has to have her room orderly however she is fine with making and leaving a

huge mess in the playroom. Could that be because her dad and I are neat freaks

we do like everything orderly I think we are like that because we both are prior

military? We have never pushed her to keep anything neat and orderly. We just

ask her to get the toys on the shelf and off the floor at the end of the day. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:15

PM Subject: aspergers at 2?

Hello,

My child is 2.5 and on the spectrum. He has an ASD diagnosis, but the doctor said this is too young to call Aspergers. He has no language delay and is at age level for vocabulary although still has "you and I' pronoun reversal. He went through an echoing phase which has passed and some responses are scripted (but used in appropriate situations). He does not qualify for Early Start programs because they say he is on target for speech.

Has anyone actually gotten a label for Aspergers this young, or is this a familiar situation for a lot of you?

Thanks!

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You may be able to get a doctor's note to qualify for head start. From what I

remember, they are required to have at least 10% of " special education or

disabled " students enrolled. That means those children will get priority than

other children. Although my son went in with an IEP for speech, we had a

recommendation from a neurologist saying that he should be enrolled in preschool

for social aspect as well. Ask the doctor to list his deficits and enroll him

that way. I hope this helps. If nothing else, speak to the director and let them

know his diagnosis and your concerns for his development. They may be able to

find a place for him when he turns 3. Good luck!!

>

> Hello,

> My child is 2.5 and on the spectrum. He has an ASD diagnosis, but the doctor

said this is too young to call Aspergers. He has no language delay and is at age

level for vocabulary although still has " you and I' pronoun reversal. He went

through an echoing phase which has passed and some responses are scripted (but

used in appropriate situations). He does not qualify for Early Start programs

because they say he is on target for speech.

> Has anyone actually gotten a label for Aspergers this young, or is this a

familiar situation for a lot of you?

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

Ditto here.

ADHD (1st grade)

ADHD, Sensory SPD

ADHD, OCD, SPD

ADHD, OCD, SPD, tourette's

ADHD, OCD, SPD, tourette's , Bipolar

ADHD, OCD, SPD, Bipolar

ADHD, OCD, SPD, Asperger's (at 2 months before age 15)

ADHD, SPD, Autism (HFA) and OCD secondary to ASD (just after 15th birthday)

She has no language delays. Fine motor and gross motor are delayed, horrible pragmatics and she has a lisp, has never been able to engage in imaginative play...

  Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you;

Jesus Christ and the American Soldier.

One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.

-- Re: aspergers at 2?

Good grief that is many dx! . Drs are still trying to figure autism out!Sent from my iPhone

To say a doctor is wrong is extreme- like I said- there needs to be more uniformity in how they interpret symptoms and label.

My son started with global developmental delay with severe sensory issues.

Then he was labeled pdd-nos.

Next HFA.

Next verbal autistic

Next autism. All by itself.

Then HFA

-and at 12- they're looking to call him an aspie-

With no OCD .

Sent from my iPhone

;)Sent from my iPhone

Right--articulation and pragmatics don't count when you consider typically developing language skills as a criteria for Asperger Syndrome.Sent from my iPad

I am sorry. I meant I have seen kids with clear Lang delays. Articulation and pragmatic issues are somewhat common with aspies. ;)Sent from my iPhone

Lori-

My son is one of those that may get an aspergers label- that had language issues. His vocabulary was extra ordinarily above and beyond his age-

His voice monotone- he taught himself expressions by prating in a mirror with songs. He didn't naturally laugh.

His articulation was a mess- he has low tone in his mouth- we have a family history of articulation delays with boys. Our doctor believes- his articulation issues are genetic and not related to autism- possibly physically with low tone.

It was his use of language- the vocabulary and the tone- that our doctor hears aspergers-

What always amazes me is that they use the puzzle peices for symbol of autism- should be used to represent the millions of way our doctors interpret the symptoms. LolSent from my iPhone

I have heard both situations. Some Drs won't dx Aspergers until age 4-5 and others will. Heck I have heard of kids getting Aspergers with a severe Lang delay which drives me batty.

Most early start programs do use speech as main qualifier. Bummer as our aspie kids need assistance too even though their Lang is relatively fine.

You may have many challenges ahead of you getting services. ;(Sent from my iPhone

Hello,My child is 2.5 and on the spectrum. He has an ASD diagnosis, but the doctor said this is too young to call Aspergers. He has no language delay and is at age level for vocabulary although still has "you and I' pronoun reversal. He went through an echoing phase which has passed and some responses are scripted (but used in appropriate situations). He does not qualify for Early Start programs because they say he is on target for speech.Has anyone actually gotten a label for Aspergers this young, or is this a familiar situation for a lot of you?Thanks!= = = =

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A lot of those diagnoses cannot exist together.  Often, misdiagnoses are given.  ADHD and ASD cannot co-occur, neither can ASD and OCD.  HFA is not an official diagnosis (as of now).  The only diagnoses on the spectrum are childhood disintegrative disorder, rett's disorder, pdd-nos, classic autism/autistic disorder and asperger's. 

 

Ditto here.

 

ADHD (1st grade)

ADHD, Sensory SPD

ADHD, OCD, SPD

ADHD, OCD, SPD, tourette's

ADHD, OCD, SPD, tourette's , Bipolar 

ADHD, OCD, SPD, Bipolar

ADHD, OCD, SPD, Asperger's (at 2 months before age 15)

ADHD, SPD, Autism (HFA) and OCD secondary to ASD (just after 15th birthday)

 

She has no language delays. Fine motor and gross motor are delayed, horrible pragmatics and she has a lisp, has never been able to engage in imaginative play...

 

  Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you;

Jesus Christ and the American Soldier.

One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.

-- Re: aspergers at 2?

 

Good grief that is many dx!  . Drs are still trying to figure autism out!Sent from my iPhone

 

To say a doctor is wrong is extreme- like I said- there needs to be more uniformity in how they interpret symptoms and label. 

My son started with global developmental delay with severe sensory issues.

Then he was labeled pdd-nos.

Next HFA.

Next verbal autistic

Next autism. All by itself.

Then HFA

-and at 12- they're looking to call him an aspie-

With no OCD .

Sent from my iPhone

 

;)Sent from my iPhone

 

Right--articulation and pragmatics don't count when you consider typically developing language skills as a criteria for Asperger Syndrome.Sent from my iPad

 

I am sorry.  I meant I have seen kids with clear Lang delays.  Articulation and pragmatic issues are somewhat common with aspies. ;)Sent from my iPhone

 

Lori- 

My son is one of those that may get an aspergers label- that had language issues. His vocabulary was extra ordinarily above and beyond his age-

His voice monotone- he taught himself expressions by prating in a mirror with songs. He didn't naturally laugh.

His articulation was a mess- he has low tone in his mouth- we have a family history of articulation delays with boys. Our doctor believes- his articulation issues are genetic and not related to autism- possibly physically with low tone.

It was his use of language- the vocabulary and the tone- that our doctor hears aspergers- 

What always amazes me is that they use the puzzle peices for symbol of autism- should be used to represent the millions of way our doctors interpret the symptoms. LolSent from my iPhone

 

I have heard both situations.  Some Drs won't dx Aspergers until age 4-5 and others will.  Heck I have heard of kids getting Aspergers with a severe Lang delay which drives me batty.  

Most early start programs do use speech as main qualifier.  Bummer as our aspie kids need assistance too even though their Lang is relatively fine.

You may have many challenges ahead of you getting services.  ;(Sent from my iPhone

 

Hello,My child is 2.5 and on the spectrum. He has an ASD diagnosis, but the doctor said this is too young to call Aspergers. He has no language delay and is at age level for vocabulary although still has " you and I' pronoun reversal. He went through an echoing phase which has passed and some responses are scripted (but used in appropriate situations). He does not qualify for Early Start programs because they say he is on target for speech.

Has anyone actually gotten a label for Aspergers this young, or is this a familiar situation for a lot of you?Thanks!= =

= =

 

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We're lucky/cursed because Mya will eat everything ever since we picked her up from orphanage. She uses all that food to grow though cause she's 8 years old and 4'9 " . I'm going to have to start shopping in the juniors section soon! We did have to teach her how to chew her food and she will still eat too fast and start choking. She does need scheduals, routine and time to " derez " after anything loud and over stimulating. She does also have clothing issues, every fall especially getting her into long sleeve shirts and pants. Because of her lack of expression and her monotone voice kids her age think she's being mean, when she's not. She also doesn't know how to start a conversation well. For example at a wedding reception we went to recently she was going around asking people if they had an invitation. It was her way of tell them about being in the wedding but of course not the right way to go about it. Thanks Lori, We have the fridge and a 3 ring binder with the same info too. It does work wonders. She loves her book and it is cute because I can tell when she is getting anxious she will open the binder and say Hmmmm oh we have …… it is just super cute the way she does it. Thanks , We are pretty good about talking things through with her. Ella does have food issues too, I always bragged about how my kids love fresh raw veggies but now I realize why it is a sensory thing with her, but at least it is a good thing. On the other end she will not eat anything if she knows it has cheese or anything with a cheesy consistency. She does love Kraft only Mac n Cheese as long as I take the cheese out “hold the cheese mom†I do make it with the cheese but it doesn’t have the consistency of homemade mac n cheese. Just yesterday we had an A-Ha moment at the doctor’s office. Truth be told at times we are still wrapping our heads around it. Today just plain sucks! Do you guys ever just let the kids do whatever to a degree because you just don’t have the energy? ___________________________________ To: " autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 1:07 PM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2? And I forgot to mention my son is almost 10, so maybe around 8 he started to calm down and communicate his anxiety better about directions/ driving issues. ___________________________________ To: " autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:06 PM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2? Hi, My son also had this " directional spidey sense " (what I call it) and I can only say within the last year, year and a half has he gotten better. We have a trailor on a campground about 90 mins from our house. His grandparents go one way and Dad and I go another. It used to drive him NUTS!! But now it's not an issue. Usually he'll just ask me if we are going a different way. He still gets anxious, but has the vocabulary or the ability to ask anxiety lowering questions. For example we live not far from the Philly airport and I-95 can be murder....I can exit the highway/ freeway and take back roads and pick back up the highway again in another area to get around traffic and he'll just say, " Hey Mom, why are you getting off here? (I'll explain) How long does this way take? Are we going to make it on time? " etc. Once I've answered all his immediate questions he'll usually sit back and relax and know that we are going to get there ok. I think b/c we live in a city-ish area and b/c there are many ways to get to the same place helps!! I think they get this maze programmed into their heads and then it's so hard to break away from whatever route is normal for them. Same thing with food....try getting them to eat it a different way, etc......they are stuck in the pattern. Good luck! I know this is just another layer of difficulty for you, but it gets better. Try to stay calm and talk talk talk about it. When they can communicate and you can communicate it seems to lower at least my son's anxiety about a new path or a new way.... ___________________________________ To: " autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2? Ha-Ha Lori, Yes I have done the same thing too, going in different directions ends up in an epic fail! I will hear no no no turn here go left there go right there...... I am originally from Chicago and it is easy to get around up there. I now live in a small town somewhere close to the gates of hell. Anyways, I would get so lost if I tried too many different ways on these back roads. Is you son rigid about certain clothing on certain days and extra classes or activities on certain days? I know I am screwed because next week they don't have gymnastics, I have been telling her no gymnastics since last week, I put it in her schedule book but she says we have to go at 6:30... Jane: do you ever change things up and if so how does it turn out? : What age do you think they out grow this? I do see where it does currently interfere with some of her activities and thinking process. : Thanks. I know our daughter has anxiety and lately it has shown up more often. She spins, rocks and stands on her head more often. As for her making friends she is 4.5 but she will talk to other kids and they are not very nice, sort of clicky. The other day I spied on her in the church nursery and she wanted to play with the other kids but the other kids didn’t want a part of it. I felt sad for her. BUT I also wondered if they dissed her because they don’t really know her? BTW she would never go in the nursery and now she has been asking to go there. ___________________________________ To: " autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2? Haha! Total OCD! . I tried to keep things like that from happening by always going different directions in the car, parking in different places, etc etc. But there are still some things my son is very rigid about. 1/2 the time I don't even know he already had a picture in his head of the way it was @suppose " to go! Sent from my iPhone Omg I live what you just described- Sent from my iPhone We had early intervention come out when our daughter was almost two and a half. After spending several hours that first day the lady asked our permission to have others out to observe. Within a couple of weeks several different people came out they told us to get referred to Children’s Hospital. After a year of many L-O-N-GGGG appointments with several autism specialists and tons of testing, our daughter was formally dx’ed with Asperger’s at the age of three and a half. As for our daughter’s speech, she did not speak until she was almost two and a half; when she started speaking she was very articulate with a flat and monotone voice. Someone others mentioned OCD. I am not familiar with OCD. Our friends call my husband and I, OCD we laugh but we really don’t know what OCD is…. I think we just like things neat and tidy. We don’t get bent out of shape if things are out of order, we may let the house go for a day or so. Are the example below OCD or just part of aspergers? After church we go to the same restaurant and she is not happy if someone is in her seat. I tell her she needs to share her seat and she still pitches a fit. Now we just go earlier so we can get “her†seat. She wants the same thing, same order, same everything. When we go to the grocery she is upset when someone parks in “our†spot. The other day I needed diapers so I took her with and cut between two registers instead of walking around the entire store. She got bent out of shape because we are supposed to go through the produce section first and she was bent because someone was parked in our spot. At home she needs things need to be placed in the same spot? She has to have her room orderly however she is fine with making and leaving a huge mess in the playroom. Could that be because her dad and I are neat freaks we do like everything orderly I think we are like that because we both are prior military? We have never pushed her to keep anything neat and orderly. We just ask her to get the toys on the shelf and off the floor at the end of the day. ___________________________________ To: autism-aspergers Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:15 PM Subject: aspergers at 2? Hello, My child is 2.5 and on the spectrum. He has an ASD diagnosis, but the doctor said this is too young to call Aspergers. He has no language delay and is at age level for vocabulary although still has " you and I' pronoun reversal. He went through an echoing phase which has passed and some responses are scripted (but used in appropriate situations). He does not qualify for Early Start programs because they say he is on target for speech. Has anyone actually gotten a label for Aspergers this young, or is this a familiar situation for a lot of you? Thanks!

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yes, I I do let let them do whatever sometimes but it always comes back to bite me even w/ my typical kids! To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 3:01 PM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

Thanks Lori, We have the fridge and a 3 ring binder with the same info too. It

does work wonders. She loves her book and it is cute because I can tell when

she is getting anxious she will open the binder and say Hmmmm oh we have …… it

is just super cute the way she does it. Thanks , We are pretty good about talking things through with her. Ella

does have food issues too, I always bragged about how my kids love fresh raw

veggies but now I realize why it is a sensory thing with her, but at least it

is a good thing. On the other end she will not eat anything if she knows it has

cheese or anything with a cheesy consistency. She does love Kraft only Mac n

Cheese as long as I take the cheese out “hold the cheese mom†I do make it with

the cheese but it doesn’t have the consistency of homemade mac n cheese. Just yesterday we had an A-Ha moment at the doctor’s office. Truth

be told at times we are still wrapping our heads around it. Today just plain

sucks! Do you guys ever just let the kids do whatever to a degree because you

just don’t have the energy? To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 1:07 PM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

And I forgot to mention my son is almost 10, so maybe around 8 he started to calm down and communicate his anxiety better about directions/ driving issues. To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:06 PM

Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

Hi, My son also had this "directional spidey sense" (what I call it) and I can only say within the last year, year and a half has he gotten better. We have a trailor on a campground about 90 mins from our house. His grandparents go one way and Dad and I go another. It used to drive him NUTS!! But now it's not an issue. Usually he'll just ask me if we are going a different way. He still gets anxious, but has the vocabulary or the ability to ask anxiety lowering questions. For example we live not far from the Philly airport and I-95 can be murder....I can exit the highway/ freeway and take back roads and pick back up the highway again in another area to get around traffic and he'll just say, "Hey Mom, why are you getting off

here? (I'll explain) How

long does this

way take? Are we going to make it on time?" etc. Once I've answered all his immediate questions he'll usually sit back and relax and know that we are going to get there ok. I think b/c we live in a city-ish area and b/c there are many ways to get to the same place helps!! I think they get this maze programmed into their heads and then it's so hard to break away from whatever route is normal for them. Same thing with food....try getting them to eat it a different way, etc......they are stuck in the pattern. Good luck! I know this is just another layer of difficulty for you, but it gets better. Try to stay calm and talk talk talk about it. When they can communicate and you can communicate it seems to lower at least my son's anxiety about a new path or a new way.... To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

Ha-Ha Lori,

Yes I have done the same thing too, going in different

directions ends up in an epic fail! I will hear no no no turn here go left

there go right there...... I am originally from Chicago and it is easy to get

around up there. I now live in a small town somewhere close to the gates of

hell. Anyways, I would get so lost if I tried too many different ways on these

back roads.

Is you son rigid about certain clothing on certain days and extra

classes or activities on certain days? I know I am screwed because next week they

don't have gymnastics, I have been telling her no gymnastics since last week, I

put it in her schedule book but she says we have to go at 6:30...

Jane: do you ever change things up and if so how does it turn out?

: What age do you think they out grow this? I do see where

it does currently interfere with some of her activities and thinking process.

: Thanks. I know our daughter has anxiety and lately it has

shown up more often. She spins, rocks and stands on her head more often. As for her making friends she is 4.5 but she will talk to other

kids and they are not very nice, sort of clicky. The other day I spied on her

in the church nursery and she wanted to play with the other kids but the other

kids didn’t want a part of it. I felt sad for her. BUT I also wondered if they

dissed her because they don’t really know her? BTW she would never go in the nursery

and now she has been asking to go there. To:

"autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

Haha! Total OCD! . I tried to keep things like that from happening by always going different directions in the car, parking in different places, etc etc. But there are still some things my son is very rigid about. 1/2 the time I don't even know he already had a picture in his head of the way it was @suppose" to go!Sent from my iPhone

Omg I live what you just described- Sent from my iPhone

We had early intervention come out when our daughter was almost two

and a half. After spending several hours that first day the lady asked our

permission to have others out to observe. Within a couple of weeks several

different people came out they told us to get referred to Children’s Hospital. After

a year of many L-O-N-GGGG appointments with several autism specialists and tons

of testing, our daughter was formally dx’ed with Asperger’s at the age of three

and a half.

As for our daughter’s speech, she did not speak until she

was almost two and a half; when she started speaking she was very articulate

with a flat and monotone voice.

Someone others mentioned OCD. I am not familiar with OCD. Our

friends call my husband and I, OCD we laugh but we really don’t know what OCD

is…. I think we just like things neat and tidy. We don’t get bent out of shape

if things are out of order, we may let the house go for a day or so. Are the

example below OCD or just part of aspergers?

After church we go to the same restaurant and she is not

happy if someone is in her seat. I tell her she needs to share her seat and she

still pitches a fit. Now we just go earlier so we can get “her†seat. She wants

the same thing, same order, same everything.

When we go to the grocery she is upset when someone parks in

“our†spot. The other day I needed diapers so I took her with and cut between

two registers instead of walking around the entire store. She got bent out of

shape because we are supposed to go through the produce section first and she

was bent because someone was parked in our spot.

At home she needs things need to be placed in the same spot?

She has to have her room orderly however she is fine with making and leaving a

huge mess in the playroom. Could that be because her dad and I are neat freaks

we do like everything orderly I think we are like that because we both are prior

military? We have never pushed her to keep anything neat and orderly. We just

ask her to get the toys on the shelf and off the floor at the end of the day. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:15

PM Subject: aspergers at 2?

Hello,

My child is 2.5 and on the spectrum. He has an ASD diagnosis, but the doctor said this is too young to call Aspergers. He has no language delay and is at age level for vocabulary although still has "you and I' pronoun reversal. He went through an echoing phase which has passed and some responses are scripted (but used in appropriate situations). He does not qualify for Early Start programs because they say he is on target for speech.

Has anyone actually gotten a label for Aspergers this young, or is this a familiar situation for a lot of you?

Thanks!

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Not sure I agree. You can have hypertension with out Kidney disease but you can have bothSent via BlackBerry by AT&TSender: autism-aspergers Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:13:36 -0400To: <autism-aspergers >ReplyTo: autism-aspergers Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?A lot of those diagnoses cannot exist together.  Often, misdiagnoses are given.  ADHD and ASD cannot co-occur, neither can ASD and OCD.  HFA is not an official diagnosis (as of now).  The only diagnoses on the spectrum are childhood disintegrative disorder, rett's disorder, pdd-nos, classic autism/autistic disorder and asperger's.   Ditto here. ADHD (1st grade)ADHD, Sensory SPDADHD, OCD, SPDADHD, OCD, SPD, tourette'sADHD, OCD, SPD, tourette's , Bipolar ADHD, OCD, SPD, BipolarADHD, OCD, SPD, Asperger's (at 2 months before age 15)ADHD, SPD, Autism (HFA) and OCD secondary to ASD (just after 15th birthday) She has no language delays. Fine motor and gross motor are delayed, horrible pragmatics and she has a lisp, has never been able to engage in imaginative play...    Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you;Jesus Christ and the American Soldier.One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.-- Re: aspergers at 2?  Good grief that is many dx!  . Drs are still trying to figure autism out!Sent from my iPhone  To say a doctor is wrong is extreme- like I said- there needs to be more uniformity in how they interpret symptoms and label. My son started with global developmental delay with severe sensory issues.Then he was labeled pdd-nos.Next HFA.Next verbal autisticNext autism. All by itself.Then HFA-and at 12- they're looking to call him an aspie-With no OCD .Sent from my iPhone  ;)Sent from my iPhone  Right--articulation and pragmatics don't count when you consider typically developing language skills as a criteria for Asperger Syndrome.Sent from my iPad  I am sorry.  I meant I have seen kids with clear Lang delays.  Articulation and pragmatic issues are somewhat common with aspies. ;)Sent from my iPhone  Lori- My son is one of those that may get an aspergers label- that had language issues. His vocabulary was extra ordinarily above and beyond his age-His voice monotone- he taught himself expressions by prating in a mirror with songs. He didn't naturally laugh.His articulation was a mess- he has low tone in his mouth- we have a family history of articulation delays with boys. Our doctor believes- his articulation issues are genetic and not related to autism- possibly physically with low tone.It was his use of language- the vocabulary and the tone- that our doctor hears aspergers- What always amazes me is that they use the puzzle peices for symbol of autism- should be used to represent the millions of way our doctors interpret the symptoms. LolSent from my iPhone  I have heard both situations.  Some Drs won't dx Aspergers until age 4-5 and others will.  Heck I have heard of kids getting Aspergers with a severe Lang delay which drives me batty.  Most early start programs do use speech as main qualifier.  Bummer as our aspie kids need assistance too even though their Lang is relatively fine.You may have many challenges ahead of you getting services.  ;(Sent from my iPhone  Hello,My child is 2.5 and on the spectrum. He has an ASD diagnosis, but the doctor said this is too young to call Aspergers. He has no language delay and is at age level for vocabulary although still has " you and I' pronoun reversal. He went through an echoing phase which has passed and some responses are scripted (but used in appropriate situations). He does not qualify for Early Start programs because they say he is on target for speech.Has anyone actually gotten a label for Aspergers this young, or is this a familiar situation for a lot of you?Thanks!= = = =  -- na LaRossa, M.S.NYS Certified School PsychologistDoctoral Candidate, School-Community Psychology ProgramImportant:  This e-mail is meant only for the intended recipient.  It may contain confidential information which is legally or otherwise protected by law.  If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, you are strictly prohibited from reviewing, using, disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail.  Please notify me immediately of the error by return e-mail and delete this message from your system.  Thank you for your cooperation.

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I am still curious why you say these diagnoses cannot co-occur when

so many have them, and they are given often by experts in the

field.  I know experts can be wrong, but who is the adjudicator on

these things?

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A lot of those diagnoses cannot exist together.  Often,

misdiagnoses are given.  ADHD and ASD cannot co-occur,

neither can ASD and OCD.  HFA is not an official diagnosis

(as of now).  The only diagnoses on the spectrum are

childhood disintegrative disorder, rett's disorder,

pdd-nos, classic autism/autistic disorder and asperger's. 

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The DSM is what will tell you what can and cannot co-exist....for example....you can have an ASD and also ADHD, but you can not be ASD and bipolor....ASD and Bipolor are both primary dx's. It just depends.... To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:34 PM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

I am still curious why you say these diagnoses cannot co-occur when

so many have them, and they are given often by experts in the

field. I know experts can be wrong, but who is the adjudicator on

these things?

On 29/06/2012 6:13 AM, na LaRossa

wrote:

A lot of those diagnoses cannot exist together. Often,

misdiagnoses are given. ADHD and ASD cannot co-occur,

neither can ASD and OCD. HFA is not an official diagnosis

(as of now). The only diagnoses on the spectrum are

childhood disintegrative disorder, rett's disorder,

pdd-nos, classic autism/autistic disorder and asperger's.

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I am not a doctor, but I am curious why these things can't co-exist. Many people on this list have several of these issues. Dx's they received from different doctors around the world. I just don't think that many doctors unbeknownst to one another can be making that many "mistakes". Is there literature to back up this opinion? To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 3:13 PM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

A lot of those diagnoses cannot exist together. Often, misdiagnoses are given. ADHD and ASD cannot co-occur, neither can ASD and OCD. HFA is not an official diagnosis (as of now). The only diagnoses on the spectrum are childhood disintegrative disorder, rett's disorder, pdd-nos, classic autism/autistic disorder and asperger's.

Ditto here.

ADHD (1st grade)

ADHD, Sensory SPD

ADHD, OCD, SPD

ADHD, OCD, SPD, tourette's

ADHD, OCD, SPD, tourette's , Bipolar

ADHD, OCD, SPD, Bipolar

ADHD, OCD, SPD, Asperger's (at 2 months before age 15)

ADHD, SPD, Autism (HFA) and OCD secondary to ASD (just after 15th birthday)

She has no language delays. Fine motor and gross motor are delayed, horrible pragmatics and she has a lisp, has never been able to engage in imaginative play...

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Good grief that is many dx! . Drs are still trying to figure autism out!Sent from my iPhone

To say a doctor is wrong is extreme- like I said- there needs to be more uniformity in how they interpret symptoms and label.

My son started with global developmental delay with severe sensory issues.

Then he was labeled pdd-nos.

Next HFA.

Next verbal autistic

Next autism. All by itself.

Then HFA

-and at 12- they're looking to call him an aspie-

With no OCD .

Sent from my iPhone

;)Sent from my iPhone

Right--articulation and pragmatics don't count when you consider typically developing language skills as a criteria for Asperger Syndrome.Sent from my iPad

I am sorry. I meant I have seen kids with clear Lang delays. Articulation and pragmatic issues are somewhat common with aspies. ;)Sent from my iPhone

Lori-

My son is one of those that may get an aspergers label- that had language issues. His vocabulary was extra ordinarily above and beyond his age-

His voice monotone- he taught himself expressions by prating in a mirror with songs. He didn't naturally laugh.

His articulation was a mess- he has low tone in his mouth- we have a family history of articulation delays with boys. Our doctor believes- his articulation issues are genetic and not related to autism- possibly physically with low tone.

It was his use of language- the vocabulary and the tone- that our doctor hears aspergers-

What always amazes me is that they use the puzzle peices for symbol of autism- should be used to represent the millions of way our doctors interpret the symptoms. LolSent from my iPhone

I have heard both situations. Some Drs won't dx Aspergers until age 4-5 and others will. Heck I have heard of kids getting Aspergers with a severe Lang delay which drives me batty.

Most early start programs do use speech as main qualifier. Bummer as our aspie kids need assistance too even though their Lang is relatively fine.

You may have many challenges ahead of you getting services. ;(Sent from my iPhone

Hello,My child is 2.5 and on the spectrum. He has an ASD diagnosis, but the doctor said this is too young to call Aspergers. He has no language delay and is at age level for vocabulary although still has "you and I' pronoun reversal. He went through an echoing phase which has passed and some responses are scripted (but used in appropriate situations). He does not qualify for Early Start programs because they say he is on target for speech.

Has anyone actually gotten a label for Aspergers this young, or is this a familiar situation for a lot of you?Thanks!= =

= =

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Medical doctors often to not refer to the DSM IV TR when making dx.Also, some professionals try to " soften " the dx and use terms to describe the child as opposed to the actual dx.  The dx cannot co-occur because for example, it is unclear what comes first, for ex, does the child have ocd or are those bx the component of the stereotypic/repetitive interests and bx that individuals with asd possess... therefore, a dx is often given that best describes the symptoms.

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DSM-IV-TR (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual)

 

I am still curious why you say these diagnoses cannot co-occur when

so many have them, and they are given often by experts in the

field.  I know experts can be wrong, but who is the adjudicator on

these things?

On 29/06/2012 6:13 AM, na LaRossa

wrote:

 

A lot of those diagnoses cannot exist together.  Often,

misdiagnoses are given.  ADHD and ASD cannot co-occur,

neither can ASD and OCD.  HFA is not an official diagnosis

(as of now).  The only diagnoses on the spectrum are

childhood disintegrative disorder, rett's disorder,

pdd-nos, classic autism/autistic disorder and asperger's. 

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I think most of us are more interested in communicating the " diagnosis " that

best conveys the child's condition and treatment plan. Whether it is

technically correct or exact is an issue for technicians.

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Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree. We have had 4 different psychiatrists over the past 10 years. They have ALL, individually diagnosed her with multiple diagnosis. Her current official diagnosis has been given by a leading expert in autism and other childhood behavioral issues. I have seen the insurance paperwork that contains multiple diagnosis. So it can be done. If it couldn't, the insurance companies wouldn't allow it. Her current psychologist, OT and pediatrician agree with her multiple diagnosis. So I choose to believe them. Especially since her symptoms cannot be explained by just ASD.

As for the HFA. No, it is not an official diagnosis but it is a widely accepted lay term. Her official diagnosis is mild to moderate ASD. She is in mainstream classes and so on. So, I say that she functions well...i.e. FHA.

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DSM-IV-TR (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual)

I am still curious why you say these diagnoses cannot co-occur when so many have them, and they are given often by experts in the field. I know experts can be wrong, but who is the adjudicator on these things?

A lot of those diagnoses cannot exist together. Often, misdiagnoses are given. ADHD and ASD cannot co-occur, neither can ASD and OCD. HFA is not an official diagnosis (as of now). The only diagnoses on the spectrum are childhood disintegrative disorder, rett's disorder, pdd-nos, classic autism/autistic disorder and asperger's.

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I understand where you are coming from littlebotsmom, however, as one of the " technicians " I try to explain ASD and its dx as clearly as possible, given the fact that it is a very complex dx.

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The DSM is the medical establishment's best effort at labeling an infinite

combination of possible characteristics. Very few people fit neatly into one

category, and one category only. These labels/categories are necessary for

insurance purposes (there has to be a somewhat objective system for defining

what constitutes a syndrome or a disorder). But there can be significant

differences in how individual practitioners will diagnose someone. Many

therapists have stopped billing to insurance so they can withdraw from using the

DSM categories entirely, and instead focus on the specific problematic behaviors

(compulsions, self-injury, depression, etc.) rather than " syndromes " . Of course

as parents we also seek a diagnosis to gain access to needed services at school.

But the bottom line is that the categorization of characteristics called the DSM

is very subjective.

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,I'd like to know the same thing since my sons and I have many of the things I saw listed.  OCD for all 3 of us, 2 Auties and me Aspie. Same with ADHD/ADD.  I was told that the dx my sons got differs from my dx of Aspergers because of the speech issue, bot of them not speaking well until 7, and I spoke at 10 months old.  My 7 yo still has a hard time telling me important things, especially if he gets excited about whatever it is he wishes to say.

Ashton

 

I am still curious why you say these diagnoses cannot co-occur when

so many have them, and they are given often by experts in the

field.  I know experts can be wrong, but who is the adjudicator on

these things?

On 29/06/2012 6:13 AM, na LaRossa

wrote:

 

A lot of those diagnoses cannot exist together.  Often,

misdiagnoses are given.  ADHD and ASD cannot co-occur,

neither can ASD and OCD.  HFA is not an official diagnosis

(as of now).  The only diagnoses on the spectrum are

childhood disintegrative disorder, rett's disorder,

pdd-nos, classic autism/autistic disorder and asperger's. 

--

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Interesting b/c Asperger's usually isn't diagnosed if the child has/ had a speech delay. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:43 AM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

,I'd like to know the same thing since my sons and I have many of the things I saw listed. OCD for all 3 of us, 2 Auties and me Aspie. Same with ADHD/ADD. I was told that the dx my sons got differs from my dx of Aspergers because of the speech issue, bot of them not speaking well until 7, and I spoke at 10 months old. My 7 yo still has a hard time telling me important things, especially if he gets excited about whatever it is he wishes to say.

Ashton

I am still curious why you say these diagnoses cannot co-occur when

so many have them, and they are given often by experts in the

field. I know experts can be wrong, but who is the adjudicator on

these things?

On 29/06/2012 6:13 AM, na LaRossa

wrote:

A lot of those diagnoses cannot exist together. Often,

misdiagnoses are given. ADHD and ASD cannot co-occur,

neither can ASD and OCD. HFA is not an official diagnosis

(as of now). The only diagnoses on the spectrum are

childhood disintegrative disorder, rett's disorder,

pdd-nos, classic autism/autistic disorder and asperger's.

--

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Aspergers can be diagnosed with speech issues.Sent from my iPhone

Interesting b/c Asperger's usually isn't diagnosed if the child has/ had a speech delay. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:43 AM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

,I'd like to know the same thing since my sons and I have many of the things I saw listed. OCD for all 3 of us, 2 Auties and me Aspie. Same with ADHD/ADD. I was told that the dx my sons got differs from my dx of Aspergers because of the speech issue, bot of them not speaking well until 7, and I spoke at 10 months old. My 7 yo still has a hard time telling me important things, especially if he gets excited about whatever it is he wishes to say.

Ashton

I am still curious why you say these diagnoses cannot co-occur when

so many have them, and they are given often by experts in the

field. I know experts can be wrong, but who is the adjudicator on

these things?

On 29/06/2012 6:13 AM, na LaRossa

wrote:

A lot of those diagnoses cannot exist together. Often,

misdiagnoses are given. ADHD and ASD cannot co-occur,

neither can ASD and OCD. HFA is not an official diagnosis

(as of now). The only diagnoses on the spectrum are

childhood disintegrative disorder, rett's disorder,

pdd-nos, classic autism/autistic disorder and asperger's.

--

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,That is always what I read and hear too...and, yet, I know SO MANY KIDS who have the dx and who didn't speak until later or are still struggling with language. Having pragmatic is okay. But, I think Dr's are just all over the board on the actual dx. I wish there was a blood test! LOL!Lori

A lot of those diagnoses cannot exist together. Often,

misdiagnoses are given. ADHD and ASD cannot co-occur,

neither can ASD and OCD. HFA is not an official diagnosis

(as of now). The only diagnoses on the spectrum are

childhood disintegrative disorder, rett's disorder,

pdd-nos, classic autism/autistic disorder and asperger's.

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, right. That's what they told me when my son was dx'd 2 yrs ago with autism.  both my boys are autistic because of speech issues and I was dx'd with Aspergers because I had no speech issues.  I was a very early talker, I told my grandmother, don't spank me, you are not my mother, when I was 11 months old, started talking much earlier than that tho.

Ashton

 

Interesting b/c Asperger's usually isn't diagnosed if the child has/ had a speech delay. 

 

To: autism-aspergers

Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:43 AM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

 

,I'd like to know the same thing since my sons and I have many of the things I saw listed.  OCD for all 3 of us, 2 Auties and me Aspie. Same with ADHD/ADD.  I was told that the dx my sons got differs from my dx of Aspergers because of the speech issue, bot of them not speaking well until 7, and I spoke at 10 months old.  My 7 yo still has a hard time telling me important things, especially if he gets excited about whatever it is he wishes to say.

Ashton

 

I am still curious why you say these diagnoses cannot co-occur when

so many have them, and they are given often by experts in the

field.  I know experts can be wrong, but who is the adjudicator on

these things?

On 29/06/2012 6:13 AM, na LaRossa

wrote:

 

A lot of those diagnoses cannot exist together.  Often,

misdiagnoses are given.  ADHD and ASD cannot co-occur,

neither can ASD and OCD.  HFA is not an official diagnosis

(as of now).  The only diagnoses on the spectrum are

childhood disintegrative disorder, rett's disorder,

pdd-nos, classic autism/autistic disorder and asperger's. 

--

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My daughter was diagnosed with autism (at 15) and has no speech delays...matter of fact she spoke early and clearly. Like a little professor. They originally thought it was Asperger's but changed it because she lacks the ability to do imaginative play. You cannot have a 'clinically significant general delay in language' and have Asperger's...according to the DSM-IV. See below.

This also tells what conditions can't exist together. (Rett's disorder, childhood disintegrative disorder, pervasive developmental disorder or schizophrenia) Doesn't say anything about ADHD, OCD or any of those other conditions many of our kids have.

Autism

A. A total of six (or more) items from (1), (2), and (3), with at least two from (1), and one each from (2) and (3):

(1) qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:

(a) marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors, such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures to regulate social interaction

( failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level

© a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people (e.g., by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest)

(d) lack of social or emotional reciprocity

(2) qualitative impairments in communication, as manifested by at least one of the following:

(a) delay in, or total lack of, the development of spoken language (not accompanied by an attempt to compensate through alternative modes of communication such as gesture or mime)

( in individuals with adequate speech, marked impairment in the ability to initiate or sustain a conversation with others

© stereotyped and repetitive use of language or idiosyncratic language

(d) lack of varied, spontaneous make-believe play or social imitative play appropriate to developmental level

(3) restricted, repetitive, and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities as manifested by at least one of the following:

(a) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus

( apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals

© stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger flapping or twisting or complex whole-body movements)

(d) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects

B. Delays or abnormal functioning in at least one of the following areas, with onset prior to age 3 years: (1) social interaction, (2) language as used in social communication, or (3) symbolic or imaginative play.

C. The disturbance is not better accounted for by Rett's disorder or childhood disintegrative disorder.

Asperger’s

A. Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:

(1) marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors, such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures to regulate social interaction

(2) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level

(3) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people (e.g., by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)

(4) lack of social or emotional reciprocity

B. Restricted, repetitive, and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:

(1) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus

(2) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals

(3) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)

(4) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects

C. The disturbance causes clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

D. There is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years).

E. There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self-help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction), and curiosity about the environment in childhood.

F. Criteria are not met for another specific pervasive developmental disorder or schizophrenia.

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-- Re: aspergers at 2?

,I'd like to know the same thing since my sons and I have many of the things I saw listed. OCD for all 3 of us, 2 Auties and me Aspie. Same with ADHD/ADD. I was told that the dx my sons got differs from my dx of Aspergers because of the speech issue, bot of them not speaking well until 7, and I spoke at 10 months old. My 7 yo still has a hard time telling me important things, especially if he gets excited about whatever it is he wishes to say.Ashton

I am still curious why you say these diagnoses cannot co-occur when so many have them, and they are given often by experts in the field. I know experts can be wrong, but who is the adjudicator on these things?

A lot of those diagnoses cannot exist together. Often, misdiagnoses are given. ADHD and ASD cannot co-occur, neither can ASD and OCD. HFA is not an official diagnosis (as of now). The only diagnoses on the spectrum are childhood disintegrative disorder, rett's disorder, pdd-nos, classic autism/autistic disorder and asperger's.

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Lori, Must be hard to be a psychiatrist these days. Everyone has their own opinion and their all right (according to them). I feel certain that my almost ten yr. old son is "textbook" Asperger Syndrome. He also presents with really high AD/HD.....although I know they exist I have not yet met an Aspie w/out the AD/HD symptoms. Perhaps a female with AS would not show as much AD/HD?? I dunno. I just know mine is off the _________ charts hyper!!! (even on stimulant meds). Different parts of the day are worse than others of course! Best wishes going out to you and to all the Moms and Dads that are in this

boat!! Tomorrow is another day To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:41 AM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

,That is always what I read and hear too...and, yet, I know SO MANY KIDS who have the dx and who didn't speak until later or are still struggling with language. Having pragmatic is okay. But, I think Dr's are just all over the board on the actual dx. I wish there was a blood test! LOL!Lori

A lot of those diagnoses cannot exist together. Often,

misdiagnoses are given. ADHD and ASD cannot co-occur,

neither can ASD and OCD. HFA is not an official diagnosis

(as of now). The only diagnoses on the spectrum are

childhood disintegrative disorder, rett's disorder,

pdd-nos, classic autism/autistic disorder and asperger's.

--

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NYS Certified School Psychologist

Doctoral Candidate, School-Community Psychology Program

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Totally agree ! Lori

A lot of those diagnoses cannot exist together. Often,

misdiagnoses are given. ADHD and ASD cannot co-occur,

neither can ASD and OCD. HFA is not an official diagnosis

(as of now). The only diagnoses on the spectrum are

childhood disintegrative disorder, rett's disorder,

pdd-nos, classic autism/autistic disorder and asperger's.

-- na LaRossa, M.S.

NYS Certified School Psychologist

Doctoral Candidate, School-Community Psychology Program

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A lady at the support group once told us, "you meet one kid with autism, you have met one kid with autism". I think everyone presents differently. We have been lucky to have good and thorough doctors. We only had one doctor who was ignorant, a pediatric allergist he was an ass and had no compassion for a 3 year old getting stuck with needles. I am no expert and don't know much about ADHD but I know our doctor told me hyper activity, is a common part of Aspergers so I don't think it is a stretch to have a kid with aspergers and

adhd or add. Our daughter is active VERY active but not adhd or add. In fact I have lost more babysitters because they say that she is too active. They tell me it is too tiring, (like whatever I do this from 6AM until 10-11PM and I am twice their age, have to cook, clean and watch a 2.5 year old dare devil) To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:29 PM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

Lori, Must be hard to be a psychiatrist these days. Everyone has their own opinion and their all right (according to them). I feel certain that my almost ten yr. old son is "textbook" Asperger Syndrome. He also presents with really high AD/HD.....although I know they exist I have not yet met an Aspie w/out the AD/HD symptoms. Perhaps a female with AS would not show as much AD/HD?? I dunno. I just know mine is off the _________ charts hyper!!! (even on stimulant meds). Different parts of the day are worse than others of course! Best wishes going out to you and to all the Moms and Dads

that are in this

boat!! Tomorrow is another day To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:41 AM Subject: Re: aspergers at 2?

,That is always what I read and hear too...and, yet, I know SO MANY KIDS who have the dx and who didn't speak until later or are still struggling with language. Having pragmatic is okay. But, I think Dr's are just all over the board on the actual dx. I wish there was a blood test! LOL!Lori

A lot of those diagnoses cannot exist together. Often,

misdiagnoses are given. ADHD and ASD cannot co-occur,

neither can ASD and OCD. HFA is not an official diagnosis

(as of now). The only diagnoses on the spectrum are

childhood disintegrative disorder, rett's disorder,

pdd-nos, classic autism/autistic disorder and asperger's.

-- na LaRossa, M.S.

NYS Certified School Psychologist

Doctoral Candidate, School-Community Psychology Program

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