Advice

[Guest guest]

I have had my entire neck fused meaning 5 of the 7 discs there is but one disc

holding up my whole head if you have any questions do not hesitate to ask. Its

kinda complicated so can't reply really well right now since running yet again

out this door sorry I did not see this earlier.

Hugs

eric garriss <ericgarriss@...> wrote:

Dear Randy,

Sorry to hear of your condition. I recently had c6,c7, an t1 fused. I have had

no problems with my fusion and at nine weeks from surgery am going to begin

physical therapy. Numbness is does not mean that your body is not in pain. It

ultimatley means that you are losing function in those body parts and it is your

body's way of telling you it needs to be fixed. I am not sure how qualified your

surgeon is, but if you can find a qualified one I would say go for the surgery

and remove the pressure as soon as possible from your spine. In all that i have

read and in reading other peoples story's nothing seem to create more problems

than waiting. The longer you keep pressure on your spinal cord, I believe, the

greater damage you are doing to your body. Hope this helps. Let me know

mcnair_randy <mcnair_randy@...> wrote:

I am having conflicting advice from two neurosurgeons. The first wants

to fuse C4-5 and then wait to decide whether and when to fuse C5-6 and

C6-7 and a laminectomy. The second wants to fuse C4-7 and do the

laminectomy six weeks later. Both have viewed a recent MRI and are

concerned that I am doing irreversible damage to the spinal cord and

could be paralyzed by a car or other freak accident. The discs are

aggravating my stenosis with it being the most obvious at C4-5. I have

lived with a " wait and see " attitude for 13 years on the advice of my

former, now retired, neurosurgeon. The new, more aggressive NS says he

would have fused all three discs back in 1993. My symptoms are

numbness, atrophy in the triceps and burning in the hands. I have very

little pain.

Does anyone have similar experiences? Suggestions? I am going to a

3rd NS to see two of them agree on the best approach. Thanks.

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I need advice. I am trying to figure out how I can do this and have been

told that if you cannot do at least 3 sessions of hbot per week, then don't

bother at all. Since my son is inpatient at a hospital that does not have

hbot I am trying to figure out how I can get him at least 3 sessions. I can

take him out of the hospital on day trips and have gotten a prescription for

hbot from his primary doctor. He is wheelchair bound and I cannot transfer

him myself which poses a problem in itself. I have spoken to the hospital

about portable chambers. They are listening but it is doubtful that they

will allow it. (fire hazards). Does anyone have any ideas?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am sorry that you are having problems, but welcome to our group.

I think the cortisone shot would not only give you some temporary

relief, but it would also help the doctor get a little closer to

figuring out the cause of your pain.

It is nice that he suggested seeing a specialist. Did he mention any

names?

>

> Hi,

> I have just found out that I have flat back syndrome. I had

> scolosis corrective surgery with harrington rods back in the mid

80's.

> I went to the doctor because I have been having severe pain in my

> lower back running down my right leg, he is recommending right now

a

> cortozione shot (quick fix). But wants me to have the surgery to

> correct the flat back, he wants me think about and talk to a

surgereon

> who specializes in spinal deformity. So I am looking for adivce and

> answers to what I should do

>

> Thanks

>

> from Virginia

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Where in VA are you? There are several of us in the DC Metro area who

stay in touch and get together infrequently. I had revision surgery

three months ago with Dr. Lauerman at town. (My story is in the

" files " section of this site if you are looking for what others have

gone through.) Dr. Kaibash at s Hopkins is also highly regarded.

You'll see other specialists in NYC and Boston discussed frequently on

this board. Definitely find a specialist who you are comfortable with

who you can consult with and come up with a plan that meets your needs

(shots/drugs, PT/exercise, surgery??). There is a list of questions

in the " files " to help with doctor selection also.

Best,

Annette in Arlington

>

> Hi,

> I have just found out that I have flat back syndrome. I had

> scolosis corrective surgery with harrington rods back in the mid 80's.

> I went to the doctor because I have been having severe pain in my

> lower back running down my right leg, he is recommending right now a

> cortozione shot (quick fix). But wants me to have the surgery to

> correct the flat back, he wants me think about and talk to a surgereon

> who specializes in spinal deformity. So I am looking for adivce and

> answers to what I should do

>

> Thanks

>

> from Virginia

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for responding back

I am in stafford, So you had the corrective surgery? did you have the

one where they take bone wedges out of your lower spine and put in new

rods?

anna

[Guest guest]

Thanks for responding back

I feel out of sorts lately, I never had problems with my back till

now. I have always walked slumped over and felt deformed but I lived

with it. Now I am having so much pain I feel lost, I can't do all the

things I used to do, it is making me so depressed. I want to have the

corrective surgery I am just so scared. Have you had the surgery?

[Guest guest]

Hi -

Welcome to our little flatback group! You will find that many of us

HAVE had the surgery you speak of, and the rest are having the same

problems as you with pain, etc. but haven't quite made it all the way

to surgery yet. It is a very scary thing to consider, but I think

you'll see that those of us who have gone with it are extremely happy

with the results. Pull up a chair and get comfy here, and feel free to

ask any questions that come to mind. I'm sure there are plenty!

My Best -

(in CA)

>

>

> Thanks for responding back

>

> I am in stafford, So you had the corrective surgery? did you have the

> one where they take bone wedges out of your lower spine and put in new

> rods?

>

>

>

> anna

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Welcome to the group. I am sorry I am having such a busy weekend that I

didn't get a chance to answer your first post as qucikly as I would

have liked. I don't know how you stumbled onto us but you have found a

lot of people just like yourself.

As stunned as I was when I learned I was facing surgery again I learned

that what at first seemed like an emergency really was not. Yes, I was

in a lot of pain and I was having difficulty managing work and the

family requirements...but once I finally got assurances from my chosen

surgeon that I could decide the timing without any harm, I was able to

concentrate on deciding the whens and the ifs.

When you get time I would recommend you go to the " Files " section on

the main site and you will see a section called " member stories " . I

think if you go through those you will find that those that have

contributed to this section have struggled just as you are now.

The prospect of this surgery is scary.... but I always try to remember

that fear is a great motivator. Your fear will hopefully drive you to

find the very best surgeon and will help your learn and understand all

that goes into the surgery (and recovery) and it will guide you in your

actions. Those are good things.

It might help if you articulate the things that are frightening you,

then perhaps we can set your mind at ease about a few of them. I will

say first off that the research seems to be proving that the revision

surgery is no more risky than for primary surgery patients...but of

course those risks include death and paralysis....however small. Bear

in mind that every surgery, spine related or not can also have those

same risks...so it does help to look at the overall risks. And

again...you can then assess your prospective surgeons and hospitals

against those concerns.

It sounds like you have a very kind and savvy ortho who is in your

corner, and also one that understands that this surgery is not his

specialty. You don't know how many of us were told there was nothing

that could be done by our local scoli doctors and they suggested we

just start pain managment. If it were not for the internet I would not

have found my way to all the information and support that led me to my

surgeon, helped me prepare myself and my family and finally get me

(almost!) to my 2 year anniversay. I am doing well...doing pretty much

whatever I want, as long as I want. I don't have any pain, at least

that is directly related to the surgery (I'm 50 after all!). So I

consider the surgery a good success for me....but it was 2 grueling

surgeries a week apart and what I honestly consider an 18 month

recovery (even though I was back at work and life ~ 3 months post-op).

I hope you can just take a deep breath and try to let a little time

help ease you into this. It is huge, it is life changing...but you can

be the one who makes all the decisions about what comes next.

We are here for you.

Take Care,

Cam

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Yes, I had the revision surgery in early October. I had the bone

wedges taken out, 2 discs removed and replaced with cages and BMP and

two new rods, screws and fusions. Dr. Lauerman at town did my

surgery. I am doing well, back to work and walking and standing

without any pain to speak of.

You're not that far, so if/when the DC Metro ladies get together next

we'll be glad to invite you.

Best,

Annette in Arlington

>

>

> Thanks for responding back

>

> I am in stafford, So you had the corrective surgery? did you have the

> one where they take bone wedges out of your lower spine and put in new

> rods?

>

>

>

> anna

>

[Guest guest]

So how long were you off from work? I would love to be invited I have

so many questions I don't even know where to start..I am in constant

pain right now, I don't think I can stand it much longer.

I go for a epidural block in a couple of weeks Have you ever had that

done?

Currently I am trying to find a doctor, Did you like yours? and then I

am also trying to get our finicial situation squared away...

So much to think about.

So are you still able to bend and twist ?

[Guest guest]

I have been having the injections every 3 - 4 months for the last

couple of years. I find them to be very helpful, but then they wear

off.

>

> So how long were you off from work? I would love to be invited I have

> so many questions I don't even know where to start..I am in constant

> pain right now, I don't think I can stand it much longer.

> I go for a epidural block in a couple of weeks Have you ever had that

> done?

> Currently I am trying to find a doctor, Did you like yours? and then

I

> am also trying to get our finicial situation squared away...

> So much to think about.

> So are you still able to bend and twist ?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Does your lower back have the natural curve? that we lost with the

harrington rods....

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

My son's ferritin level is low ie. 18 normal range is 22 and above would you

consider him to be a good candidate for the high doze of iron. I struggle with

him every day and still pulverize his meats and veges and have to feed him

infront of the tv. He is three years of age.

Also his BUN/Cratinine level his high ie 37 normal is within 27 range and his

Carbon dioxide is low ie. 18 normal 20 and above. Not sure what this indicates.

Please advice.

His IgG is 18 very high as normal is 0-9.

Please advice as I tuly would appreciate your opininon towards healing my son,

he's all I've got.

rgds Kavita

Re: Can someone please explain this??

Ooohhh watch out for culturelle ... at least not if

there is ANY OCD or anxiety or repetitive behaviors

involved. I'm not at my personal computer but I'll

try to remember to post the study info on culturelle.

It stimulates some cytokines that tend to already be

overexpressed in ... Really, I would recommend

you switch on that one. Not everyone has problems,

but it does have the potential. Dr G may not be

concerned about it right now, and may not want to make

bunches of changes at one time. Plus maybe it 's just

a very few who react to it - mainly PANDAS kids... I

don't know but would keep an eye out with it.

Goldfish have more dairy than Ritz. I think Ritz is

like less than 2%. Goldfish have coloring too, which

is another reactive thing. Anyway, some of the

highly processed foods have most of the reactive

proteins broken down so much by processing that they

no longer trigger reactions. That's one of the

reasons he allows highly processed wheats at low

amounts. You still have to see what sets your child

off, but it's great to know that tiny amounts here and

there are not a crisis, isn't it?

I think you identify " true " allergies as IgE but may

not be fully accurate.

I know what you mean about putting total faith in a

doctor... I had a year of asking tons of questions to

Dr G back when he attended chat weekly, so I already

had a good foundation and hours of info before having

to give my kids the meds etc. He may be the only

doctor I have ever fully trusted - definitely - but I

still had to know and understand why my kids were

taking what they were taking, and why no one else

seemed to agree with it. It helped looking into the

reputations of the other docs that he has been

associated with and that support him. That certainly

helps me feel a lot better.

HTH-

--- Cheryl Lowrance <c.lowranceca (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

> On Feb 17, 2007, at 11:03 AM, wrote:

>> Thank you, this makes much more sense to me now. I

> see that he's not

> ignoring the labs but using it as a gauge when

> checking eosinphils

> and such. This makes me feel much more comfortable

> and willing. And

> thank you so much for taking the time to explain

> this to me. We were

> already following his diet and removed dairy (after

> the panel). I do

> have another question about this, though. He told

> me no dairy but at

> the same time, he tells me that it's okay if he eats

> crackers like

> ritz (which contains dairy) but not goldfish.

> What's the

> difference? Why are some things okay and others

> not? How do I know?

> >

> > ***** This is not an allergy. This is a measure of

> > how activated the immune system is against foods -

> by

> > IgG not IgE which is the true allergy.

> The only question I have here is the lab stated that

> they tested IgG

> and IgE when I got the results back. How does this

> affect the

> outcome of the labs as far as what is a true allergy

> and what isn't?

> >

> > (and you know to strictly limit strains?)

> No, I didn't. I used culturelle when he was having

> gut issues (too

> much fruit) and was planning on using it again when

> we start the

> Nizoral. He never mentioned to me that culturelle

> was not a good one

> to use so I'm assuming it's okay? When I told him

> we we're using it

> when we first met he said he wasn't at all concerned

> by me using it.

> I do know that it has a trace amount of casein but

> again, he didn't

> seem to care at the time we talked about it.

> >

> > ***** Automatic when gliadin antibodies are

> elevated.

> His gliadin were in the reference ranges so they

> were normal. I got

> this result first and was relieved as I know this is

> a gluten thing.

> I got the allergy panel a month later and forgot

> about this one.

> > But he almost certainly won't be celiac. Your ped

> is

> > simply covering bases.

> Yes, and he said as much. He doesn't think he has

> celiac but just

> wants to make sure we aren't assuming too much.

> > Dr G is treating , and

> > celiac is not related technically.

> No, and that's why I will get tested through the ped

> instead since

> it's really not his area.

> >

> > ***** Trust me, your life will be so much easier

> > following his instructions as opposed to what the

> > current ideas " out there " are. And your child

> stands

> > a better chance of overall healing that way than

> > w/militant diet restrictions.

> It's definitely cheaper!

>

> Thanks again, for helping me understand. I know I

> have a lot of

> questions but I have a hard time blindly following

> *any* doctor. I

> want to make sure that I understand before I just do

> it, especially

> when it comes to my kids.

>

> Cheryl

>

>

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Hi!

Not , but thought I would share some infor Dr G told me about

ferritin.

My son's was low and he put him on iron.....Feosol. His ferritin

went up. These are iron stores. We did not continue to give him as

much iron but continued to supplelment and his ferritin went low

again. Dr G said my son was gettting dairy, and that his coclon had

microscopic bleeding and this is why the iron stores went down

again.

So you should give iron, and watch his idet.

Best,

> >> Thank you, this makes much more sense to me now. I

> > see that he's not

> > ignoring the labs but using it as a gauge when

> > checking eosinphils

> > and such. This makes me feel much more comfortable

> > and willing. And

> > thank you so much for taking the time to explain

> > this to me. We were

> > already following his diet and removed dairy (after

> > the panel). I do

> > have another question about this, though. He told

> > me no dairy but at

> > the same time, he tells me that it's okay if he eats

> > crackers like

> > ritz (which contains dairy) but not goldfish.

> > What's the

> > difference? Why are some things okay and others

> > not? How do I know?

> > >

> > > ***** This is not an allergy. This is a measure of

> > > how activated the immune system is against foods -

> > by

> > > IgG not IgE which is the true allergy.

> > The only question I have here is the lab stated that

> > they tested IgG

> > and IgE when I got the results back. How does this

> > affect the

> > outcome of the labs as far as what is a true allergy

> > and what isn't?

> > >

> > > (and you know to strictly limit strains?)

> > No, I didn't. I used culturelle when he was having

> > gut issues (too

> > much fruit) and was planning on using it again when

> > we start the

> > Nizoral. He never mentioned to me that culturelle

> > was not a good one

> > to use so I'm assuming it's okay? When I told him

> > we we're using it

> > when we first met he said he wasn't at all concerned

> > by me using it.

> > I do know that it has a trace amount of casein but

> > again, he didn't

> > seem to care at the time we talked about it.

> > >

> > > ***** Automatic when gliadin antibodies are

> > elevated.

> > His gliadin were in the reference ranges so they

> > were normal. I got

> > this result first and was relieved as I know this is

> > a gluten thing.

> > I got the allergy panel a month later and forgot

> > about this one.

> > > But he almost certainly won't be celiac. Your ped

> > is

> > > simply covering bases.

> > Yes, and he said as much. He doesn't think he has

> > celiac but just

> > wants to make sure we aren't assuming too much.

> > > Dr G is treating , and

> > > celiac is not related technically.

> > No, and that's why I will get tested through the ped

> > instead since

> > it's really not his area.

> > >

> > > ***** Trust me, your life will be so much easier

> > > following his instructions as opposed to what the

> > > current ideas " out there " are. And your child

> > stands

> > > a better chance of overall healing that way than

> > > w/militant diet restrictions.

> > It's definitely cheaper!

> >

> > Thanks again, for helping me understand. I know I

> > have a lot of

> > questions but I have a hard time blindly following

> > *any* doctor. I

> > want to make sure that I understand before I just do

> > it, especially

> > when it comes to my kids.

> >

> > Cheryl

> >

> >

>

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About the high doses of iron. I don't know how high you mean. You

can go too high with iron. However, I found that with my child,

he never overcame his slight " anemia " problem until I added B12

with INTRINSIC FACTOR (which the body needs intrinsic factor to use

it's B12 and then iron stores). Metagenics labs makes a product

that includes intrinsic factor, b12 and folate. Be sure to only

start with 1/4 of a tablet. You may see what looks like a small die

off. Because, as it corrects things there is a natural detox going

on including a rash on the behind.

> >> Thank you, this makes much more sense to me now. I

> > see that he's not

> > ignoring the labs but using it as a gauge when

> > checking eosinphils

> > and such. This makes me feel much more comfortable

> > and willing. And

> > thank you so much for taking the time to explain

> > this to me. We were

> > already following his diet and removed dairy (after

> > the panel). I do

> > have another question about this, though. He told

> > me no dairy but at

> > the same time, he tells me that it's okay if he eats

> > crackers like

> > ritz (which contains dairy) but not goldfish.

> > What's the

> > difference? Why are some things okay and others

> > not? How do I know?

> > >

> > > ***** This is not an allergy. This is a measure of

> > > how activated the immune system is against foods -

> > by

> > > IgG not IgE which is the true allergy.

> > The only question I have here is the lab stated that

> > they tested IgG

> > and IgE when I got the results back. How does this

> > affect the

> > outcome of the labs as far as what is a true allergy

> > and what isn't?

> > >

> > > (and you know to strictly limit strains?)

> > No, I didn't. I used culturelle when he was having

> > gut issues (too

> > much fruit) and was planning on using it again when

> > we start the

> > Nizoral. He never mentioned to me that culturelle

> > was not a good one

> > to use so I'm assuming it's okay? When I told him

> > we we're using it

> > when we first met he said he wasn't at all concerned

> > by me using it.

> > I do know that it has a trace amount of casein but

> > again, he didn't

> > seem to care at the time we talked about it.

> > >

> > > ***** Automatic when gliadin antibodies are

> > elevated.

> > His gliadin were in the reference ranges so they

> > were normal. I got

> > this result first and was relieved as I know this is

> > a gluten thing.

> > I got the allergy panel a month later and forgot

> > about this one.

> > > But he almost certainly won't be celiac. Your ped

> > is

> > > simply covering bases.

> > Yes, and he said as much. He doesn't think he has

> > celiac but just

> > wants to make sure we aren't assuming too much.

> > > Dr G is treating , and

> > > celiac is not related technically.

> > No, and that's why I will get tested through the ped

> > instead since

> > it's really not his area.

> > >

> > > ***** Trust me, your life will be so much easier

> > > following his instructions as opposed to what the

> > > current ideas " out there " are. And your child

> > stands

> > > a better chance of overall healing that way than

> > > w/militant diet restrictions.

> > It's definitely cheaper!

> >

> > Thanks again, for helping me understand. I know I

> > have a lot of

> > questions but I have a hard time blindly following

> > *any* doctor. I

> > want to make sure that I understand before I just do

> > it, especially

> > when it comes to my kids.

> >

> > Cheryl

> >

> >

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Since she's seeking more symmetry, could someone please post some fat transfer information for her, or email it to her? That may be an ideal case for fat transfer to help such a problem. I haven't kept any info on it, or sites of docs who do it, and I'm too loopy on meds to research it...but maybe some of you have the info?

le,

There are worse things than having small, or asymmetrical breasts, hon. One of the biggest being --- losing your health, and ability to work and lead a normal life. When you implant, you take such a risk of losing life as you know it --- and we're all living proof. Don't let doctors, or even the FDA, tell you otherwise --- they have too much to lose financially to let the truth about implants circulate widespread.

The past 10 years of my life have just gone out the window while I've sat in the house disabled and sick due to my choice to implant. I'll be 32 this June, and implanted at 22. I became sick, and fully disabled, within 6 months with autoimmune, fatigue, neurological, and pain related diseases. It took me years to learn the truth about implants, so the theories on how people can "think" themselves sick are out the window. I was very healthy and know the exact months my illnesses began and never suspected the implants until seeing stories about them on MTV many years AFTER implanting and becoming sick. I just never considered it because the medical world tells us how safe saline implants are.

You should check into a procedure called "fat transfer." Hopefully someone from this group can post information on it for you, because a few ladies here have had it done. You can use your own body fat to even out your breast size, or enlarge both. It's probably a bit more costly, but in the long run since you don't have to replace implants every 5-10 years (there's an automatic $5,000-$10,000 every 5-10 years) --- it's probably cheaper. It's definitely cheaper if you consider the potential expenses related to health risks and complications, ruptures, or leaks.

Good luck, and best wishes!

Brigite :)See what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

There's a doc in NY who is doing it, also... It's $19,000 for the entire procedure (fat transfer breast enlargement without using implants), but I did not keep the website link. It was in the news just months ago, and I browsed the site, saw how much it was, and put it out of my mind before I gave myself something else to dream about that I could never afford to do! lol It's the one where they take fat from one area of your body, and transfer it to another. If I come across it, I'll post the link. I sent it to a few friends at the time who are always considering implants... maybe one of them kept it that was serious about it.

Brig

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[Guest guest]

I know Dr. Huang in Denver does it, I am sure there are others.

Lynda

At 06:21 PM 5/17/2007, you wrote:

>Since she's seeking more symmetry, could someone

>please post some fat transfer information for

>her, or email it to her? That may be an ideal

>case for fat transfer to help such a problem. I

>haven't kept any info on it, or sites of docs

>who do it, and I'm too loopy on meds to research

>it...but maybe some of you have the info?

>

>le,

>

>There are worse things than having small, or

>asymmetrical breasts, hon. One of the biggest

>being --- losing your health, and ability to

>work and lead a normal life. When you implant,

>you take such a risk of losing life as you know

>it --- and we're all living proof. Don't let

>doctors, or even the FDA, tell you otherwise ---

>they have too much to lose financially to let

>the truth about implants circulate widespread.

>

>The past 10 years of my life have just gone out

>the window while I've sat in the house disabled

>and sick due to my choice to implant. I'll be 32

>this June, and implanted at 22. I became sick,

>and fully disabled, within 6 months with

>autoimmune, fatigue, neurological, and pain

>related diseases. It took me years to learn the

>truth about implants, so the theories on how

>people can " think " themselves sick are out the

>window. I was very healthy and know the exact

>months my illnesses began and never suspected

>the implants until seeing stories about them on

>MTV many years AFTER implanting and becoming

>sick. I just never considered it because the

>medical world tells us how safe saline implants are.

>

>You should check into a procedure called " fat

>transfer. " Hopefully someone from this group can

>post information on it for you, because a few

>ladies here have had it done. You can use your

>own body fat to even out your breast size, or

>enlarge both. It's probably a bit more costly,

>but in the long run since you don't have to

>replace implants every 5-10 years (there's an

>automatic $5,000-$10,000 every 5-10 years) ---

>it's probably cheaper. It's definitely cheaper

>if you consider the potential expenses related

>to health risks and complications, ruptures, or leaks.

>

>Good luck, and best wishes!

>

>Brigite

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

$19,000 sounds extreme.

Lynda

At 11:15 PM 5/17/2007, you wrote:

>There's a doc in NY who is doing it, also... It's $19,000 for the

>entire procedure (fat transfer breast enlargement without using

>implants), but I did not keep the website link. It was in the news

>just months ago, and I browsed the site, saw how much it was, and

>put it out of my mind before I gave myself something else to dream

>about that I could never afford to do! lol It's the one where they

>take fat from one area of your body, and transfer it to another. If

>I come across it, I'll post the link. I sent it to a few friends at

>the time who are always considering implants... maybe one of them

>kept it that was serious about it.

>

>Brig

>

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[Guest guest]

Hello Kristian,

You can try FlaxSeedOil2 Group there is a lot of

info on Dr Budwigs regiment for cancer healing and a

lot of the members of the group are healing.

Good luck with your FIL

[Guest guest]

1/ Joanna Budwig diet - see flaxseedoil2 group here on . Many

recovery stories. Some forms of flaxseed oil are quite ok.

2/ Mangosteen (many brands...) also many recovery stories.

3/ Bare-Rife machine (Plasma Lamp)

-Dave

Kristian L.R. Pedersen wrote:

> I have just joined this group because my father-in-law has been

> diagnosed with stomach cancer which has begun to metastasise and has

> touched his oesophagus and left spots on his bone. Because of his

> renal impairment, caused by diabetes, the oncologists claim that

> there are no chemotherapy treatments available to him to retard or

> arrest the spread of the cancer.

>

> I am therefore interested in pursuing other forms of treatment, at

> least until a second opinion confirms that there is no chemotherapy

> option. It can do no harm and might have a benefit, so I am

> disinclined to dismiss any possible treatment.

>

> If anyone in this group could recommend to me treatments, herbal or

> otherwise, I would be most grateful for the information. Many thanks

> in advance for any assistance that you can provide.

>

>

> With Best Regards,

>

>

> Kristian

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kristian,

Just a word of comfort, I hope---

Though I am of course sorry to hear of your father's condition, I am

thankful that the oncologists, in this case, appear to have been both honest and

merciful. My point is that in my opinion, your dad is actually better off for

the doctors saying they cannot do anything for him. I pray he recovers and lives

years longer. By the way, you might have a look at the book, " The China Study, "

by T. Colin , because in it, he says a vegan diet can considerably help

BOTH cancer AND diabetes.

Best wishes,

Elliot

[Guest guest]

Kristian, you could look into the Budwig Protocol, there is a list on the net, I

would definately go there...

My best to you

Celia

[Guest guest]

Might look at Intravenous Vitamin C as a possible alternative to

chemotherapy. See the file in the Files section of the group.

Newstarget.com has a book " Healing Diabetes Naturally " that might be

worth a look at.

Best,

RB

        Posted by: " Kristian L.R. Pedersen "

kristian_lr_pedersen@... kristian_lr_pedersen   Date: Thu Jun 14,

2007 2:15 pm ((PDT))

I have just joined this group because my father-in-law has been

diagnosed with stomach cancer which has begun to metastasise and has

touched his oesophagus and left spots on his bone. Because of his renal

impairment, caused by diabetes, the oncologists claim that there are no

chemotherapy treatments available to him to retard or arrest the spread

of the cancer.

I am therefore interested in pursuing other forms of treatment, at least

until a second opinion confirms that there is no chemotherapy option. It

can do no harm and might have a benefit, so I am disinclined to dismiss

any possible treatment.

If anyone in this group could recommend to me treatments, herbal or

otherwise, I would be most grateful for the information. Many thanks in

advance for any assistance that you can provide.

With Best Regards,

Kristian

[Guest guest]

Also re diabetes:

http://www.herbalremediesinfo.com/natural-treatments-for-diabetes.html

From: robert-blau@...( Blau) Date:

Might look at Intravenous Vitamin C as a possible alternative to

chemotherapy. See the file in the Files section of the group.

Newstarget.com has a book " Healing Diabetes Naturally " that might be

worth a look at.

Best,

RB

        Posted by: " Kristian L.R. Pedersen "

kristian_lr_pedersen@... kristian_lr_pedersen   Date: Thu Jun 14,

2007 2:15 pm ((PDT))

I have just joined this group because my father-in-law has been

diagnosed with stomach cancer which has begun to metastasise and has

touched his oesophagus and left spots on his bone. Because of his renal

impairment, caused by diabetes, the oncologists claim that there are no

chemotherapy treatments available to him to retard or arrest the spread

of the cancer.

I am therefore interested in pursuing other forms of treatment, at least

until a second opinion confirms that there is no chemotherapy option. It

can do no harm and might have a benefit, so I am disinclined to dismiss

any possible treatment.

If anyone in this group could recommend to me treatments, herbal or

otherwise, I would be most grateful for the information. Many thanks in

advance for any assistance that you can provide. With Best Regards,

Kristian