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In a message dated 3/23/2006 10:50:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

smilinggail@... writes:

Okay, What does everyone think about inclusion for our kids?

my thoughts are pretty flexible on it. For me the question would be, how

much would it help or hamper my child?

Carol

Trishasmom

She isn't Typical, She's Trisha!

Guest guest
Posted

There's no doubt in my mind that Seth would benefit from it. It's just my

natural insinct to protect him from any harm.

Gail :-)

my thoughts are pretty flexible on it. For me the question would be, how

much would it help or hamper my child?

Carol

Trishasmom

She isn't Typical, She's Trisha!

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Posted

In a message dated 3/23/2006 11:46:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

smilinggail@... writes:

It's just my

natural insinct to protect him from any harm.

go for it, you can always take him out if he isn't happy. :-)

Carol

Trishasmom

She isn't Typical, She's Trisha!

Guest guest
Posted

I went to the Inclusion Works! conference in Austin, TX. at the end of February.

Prior to going, I was thinking as a former Kindergarten teacher myself, I would

have been very reluctant to have a child like my own son in my classroom!

His 4 older siblings agree with me. They think he'll be teased, ridiculed etc.

if we try to include him in a general education Kindergarten class when he's 5.

(But that's what I want for him regardless!)

THEN, I went to Inclusion Works! What a life changing experience that is. I

came away with a whole new perspective. Our children deserve the same

opportunities and experiences as their typically developing peers and I firmly

believe that with support systems in place (and I don't mean an aide to

'babysit' them which is what they are doing to my 4 year old currently), our

kids can and will SHINE!!! All that is required by law for them to remain in

that environment is for them to make progress. They do NOT have to meet the

same goals and objectives as their typically developing peers. They just need

to show progress. They can certainly benefit GREATLY by being immersed with

their typically developing friends. That's real life anyway!

I saw some awesome examples of Inclusion done all the way from the preschool

level up through highschool. It was so motivating and inspirational. I hope to

return to the classroom as a teacher myself in the fall and I'd welcome any

child with a disability in my classroom!

The concern about teasing and ridicule is unfounded when we include our kids at

an early age. Children are far more accepting and can easily be 'taught' how to

be a friend and support to our kids, as opposed to being threatened by them.

There are some fabulous programs out there that will help in that process to

educate developing kids on how to be a friend. Once they've established

friendships, it can be long-term, through-out their entire school career.

Disability is a natural part of life and we need to be sure our kids are

afforded the same opportunites and experiences as everyone else!!!

Okay, I'll get off my soap box!

If you have an opportunity to attend an Inclusion Conference of any kind I

HIGHLY recommend it! You'll come home a different person!!

Sandy, mom to Josiah, age 4 (DS/ASD)

P.S. At his annual meeting a few weeks ago, I already prepared those on his

'team' that when he is 5 (by Fall of '07) I want him fully included (with no

pull-outs) in a typically developing Kindergarten classroom with necessary

supports to optimize and maximize his potential. I told that we need to use

next year as a transition year to start planning NOW, HOW we can make that

successful for him and the staff. We need to start figuring out what supports

we'll need, which teacher will be most open and agreeable to working with him,

and we need to start preparing him as well. He'll be going from a classroom of

7 (with his aide RIGHT by his side at all times) to a classroom of 23 (with NO

aide, if I have my wish). They were open and agreeable (at least it seemed they

were...who knows what they said when I left) to my idea and the assistant

principal even said she'd make it her responsibility to figure out what that

placement would look like for next year.

inclusion, yes or no

Okay, What does everyone think about inclusion for our kids? I know it's a

touchy subject and a personal choice, but I just wondered what all of you are

doing. My 4 older girls are having a fit saying that Seth will be picked on

if he is included. Anyone have an experience they are willing to share? I

say that if he has an aide with him all the time, it will help keep the

picking under control.

Gail :-)

Guest guest
Posted

Hi All,

As a firm believer and staunch inclusionist I have experienced firsthand the

benefits of inclusion, however, without proper supports and planning it cannot

be successful. My son has been included since kindergarten. I am more fearful of

the teaching staff being disrespectful and offensive than a student. The

students have repeatedly come to my child's defense when issues have occurred in

the past. Every sibling that has reservations about their family member being

included has been the offender or has been associated with the offenders

bullying students with disabilities. It takes one to know one. You may be

surprised to learn that your typical child has been the guilty party. I do not

intend to sound harsh but 99% of the time I find this to be the situation.

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 13 DS/OCD/ASD?

rsd wrote:

I went to the Inclusion Works! conference in Austin, TX. at the end of

February. Prior to going, I was thinking as a former Kindergarten teacher

myself, I would have been very reluctant to have a child like my own son in my

classroom!

His 4 older siblings agree with me. They think he'll be teased, ridiculed etc.

if we try to include him in a general education Kindergarten class when he's 5.

(But that's what I want for him regardless!)

THEN, I went to Inclusion Works! What a life changing experience that is. I came

away with a whole new perspective. Our children deserve the same opportunities

and experiences as their typically developing peers and I firmly believe that

with support systems in place (and I don't mean an aide to 'babysit' them which

is what they are doing to my 4 year old currently), our kids can and will

SHINE!!! All that is required by law for them to remain in that environment is

for them to make progress. They do NOT have to meet the same goals and

objectives as their typically developing peers. They just need to show progress.

They can certainly benefit GREATLY by being immersed with their typically

developing friends. That's real life anyway!

I saw some awesome examples of Inclusion done all the way from the preschool

level up through highschool. It was so motivating and inspirational. I hope to

return to the classroom as a teacher myself in the fall and I'd welcome any

child with a disability in my classroom!

The concern about teasing and ridicule is unfounded when we include our kids at

an early age. Children are far more accepting and can easily be 'taught' how to

be a friend and support to our kids, as opposed to being threatened by them.

There are some fabulous programs out there that will help in that process to

educate developing kids on how to be a friend. Once they've established

friendships, it can be long-term, through-out their entire school career.

Disability is a natural part of life and we need to be sure our kids are

afforded the same opportunites and experiences as everyone else!!!

Okay, I'll get off my soap box!

If you have an opportunity to attend an Inclusion Conference of any kind I

HIGHLY recommend it! You'll come home a different person!!

Sandy, mom to Josiah, age 4 (DS/ASD)

P.S. At his annual meeting a few weeks ago, I already prepared those on his

'team' that when he is 5 (by Fall of '07) I want him fully included (with no

pull-outs) in a typically developing Kindergarten classroom with necessary

supports to optimize and maximize his potential. I told that we need to use next

year as a transition year to start planning NOW, HOW we can make that successful

for him and the staff. We need to start figuring out what supports we'll need,

which teacher will be most open and agreeable to working with him, and we need

to start preparing him as well. He'll be going from a classroom of 7 (with his

aide RIGHT by his side at all times) to a classroom of 23 (with NO aide, if I

have my wish). They were open and agreeable (at least it seemed they were...who

knows what they said when I left) to my idea and the assistant principal even

said she'd make it her responsibility to figure out what that placement would

look like for next year.

inclusion, yes or no

Okay, What does everyone think about inclusion for our kids? I know it's a

touchy subject and a personal choice, but I just wondered what all of you are

doing. My 4 older girls are having a fit saying that Seth will be picked on

if he is included. Anyone have an experience they are willing to share? I

say that if he has an aide with him all the time, it will help keep the

picking under control.

Gail :-)

Guest guest
Posted

nathan goes to most all regular classes and has never been made fun of or

teased, he also has an aid with him at all times.But this isnt to say what

they may say about him when he isnot around. on the other hand

takes a few resouce room classes and he gets harrassed on a weekly basis,

we've even had to call the police last summer, its been about 2or 3weeks and

no teasing or harrassing ive noticed for him, so maybe the other kids are

starting to grow up a little bit, who knows.I think for kids like nathan or

steven etc the others tned to either ignore or feel sorry for or are very

curious, but if they are just a little different or slow, like nicholas its

like they have no tolerance for kids like him. Im very close to pulling and

homeschooling, and the teachers know this, could be why things have been

quiter. shawna

inclusion, yes or no

> Okay, What does everyone think about inclusion for our kids? I know it's

> a

> touchy subject and a personal choice, but I just wondered what all of you

> are

> doing. My 4 older girls are having a fit saying that Seth will be picked

> on

> if he is included. Anyone have an experience they are willing to share?

> I

> say that if he has an aide with him all the time, it will help keep the

> picking under control.

> Gail :-)

>

>

>

Guest guest
Posted

I must admit, Tori being included with typical kids has been the best for

both Tori and the other classmates. Kids do not make fun of her. She is

actually the star of the school. She knows everyone in the school and they

know her by name and go out of their way to say hi to her! My issues are

when Tori acts out against one of the kids..but as of right now, they are

very understanding...

and do not shy away from her. They treat her as the baby of the school.

She is a cutey (not to be prejudiced) and tiny and therefore, everyone

treats her as she is a " baby " and therefore, put up with a lot more and she

gets away with alot!! We are trying to nip that in the butt right

now..because that will not carry through forever.

Liz

inclusion, yes or no

>

>

> Okay, What does everyone think about inclusion for our kids? I know

> it's a

> touchy subject and a personal choice, but I just wondered what all of you

> are

> doing. My 4 older girls are having a fit saying that Seth will be

> picked on

> if he is included. Anyone have an experience they are willing to share?

> I

> say that if he has an aide with him all the time, it will help keep the

> picking under control.

> Gail :-)

>

>

>

Guest guest
Posted

ya we had to nip the girls constantnly hugging nathan in elementry every

year at the beginning of the year, they just think he is sooo cute and want

to hug him all the time, they are better abut not doing it anynmore, but

they have had many talks aobut not doing this. shawna

inclusion, yes or no

>>

>>

>> Okay, What does everyone think about inclusion for our kids? I know

>> it's a

>> touchy subject and a personal choice, but I just wondered what all of

>> you

>> are

>> doing. My 4 older girls are having a fit saying that Seth will be

>> picked on

>> if he is included. Anyone have an experience they are willing to

>> share?

>> I

>> say that if he has an aide with him all the time, it will help keep the

>> picking under control.

>> Gail :-)

>>

>>

>>

Guest guest
Posted

Well, I guess I think that either is fine, AS LONG AS the child is happy &

getting a good & appropriate education. If in a special school, I think more

efforts need then to be made to have them in the community.

Dyl is in a special school now & just today they visited their buddies at our

local elementary. They pair up with kids in a community school & do things with

them often & it's been an awesome experience for both sides. They are also very

good about getting the kids " out & about " in the community.

This is the first year though, that we have concerns & Dyl hasn't been happy.

Having Dyl attend our local elementary (where his " buddies " are) is on our mind.

I guess we'll see what happens in the next few months as we work on the updated

IEP that officially will have the Autism diagnosis & how willing the school is

to work with what we feel is best for Dylan. They don't have a choice though,

really, if I keep my backbone about this whole situation! Which I have so far!

Yeah!

Becky

mom to Dylan, 10 DS/Diabetes/ASD

smilinggail@... wrote:

Okay, What does everyone think about inclusion for our kids? I know it's a

touchy subject and a personal choice, but I just wondered what all of you are

doing. My 4 older girls are having a fit saying that Seth will be picked on

if he is included. Anyone have an experience they are willing to share? I

say that if he has an aide with him all the time, it will help keep the

picking under control.

Gail :-)

Guest guest
Posted

Hi Becky,

Inclusion is not for every child but I have to give the schools credit for

including them with their typical peers in this program. I think it's great and

I bet the kids really look forward to it.

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 13 DS/OCD/ASD?

Becky Kligora wrote:

Well, I guess I think that either is fine, AS LONG AS the child is happy &

getting a good & appropriate education. If in a special school, I think more

efforts need then to be made to have them in the community.

Dyl is in a special school now & just today they visited their buddies at our

local elementary. They pair up with kids in a community school & do things with

them often & it's been an awesome experience for both sides. They are also very

good about getting the kids " out & about " in the community.

This is the first year though, that we have concerns & Dyl hasn't been happy.

Having Dyl attend our local elementary (where his " buddies " are) is on our mind.

I guess we'll see what happens in the next few months as we work on the updated

IEP that officially will have the Autism diagnosis & how willing the school is

to work with what we feel is best for Dylan. They don't have a choice though,

really, if I keep my backbone about this whole situation! Which I have so far!

Yeah!

Becky

mom to Dylan, 10 DS/Diabetes/ASD

smilinggail@... wrote:

Okay, What does everyone think about inclusion for our kids? I know it's a

touchy subject and a personal choice, but I just wondered what all of you are

doing. My 4 older girls are having a fit saying that Seth will be picked on

if he is included. Anyone have an experience they are willing to share? I

say that if he has an aide with him all the time, it will help keep the

picking under control.

Gail :-)

Guest guest
Posted

Hello,

I have mixed feelings as far as inclusion goes. began way back when in

a nursery school fully included with a special Ed teacher who came with him

to the nursery school, it worked out wonderful, he would receive OT pt and

speech at our home nursery school was half days. He then went into a special

Ed 5 year old program where 2 days a week they would have him go to his

neighborhood school with an aide to the kindergarten class he would be attending

the following fall, that also was wonderful. It gave a chance to know the

teacher, the school, and vice versa. Following that he was in full

inclusion in kindergarten with a 1-1 aide, he was pulled out 2 hours a day for

direct

instruction with a special Ed teacher, the teacher also went to the reg. Ed

classroom 1 HR per day. also was GREAT! He was doing so well at the end of

kindergarten, they said was functioning just about where your average

child would be entering kindergarten, and thought he would benefit by repeating

a second year of kindergarten, I agreed and he did with another kindergarten

teacher. He also had a wonderful school year that year. He made friends,

noone picked on him and he was even invited to birthday parties. The

following year he mainstreamed into the first grade, again with a 1-1 aide, and

all

the other pieces in place, this when I realized it might not be the best for

, there was a lot of quiet work being done at the desks, and I didn't

think should go into a mainstreamed 2nd grade the following year, felt it

was hurting his pride knowing he could not do what the others were doing. He

mainstreamed for art, music, media, lunch and recess for 2-5 grade a while in

a self contained classroom with 5 other children. was not disruptive in

class however, I didn't think he was getting much out of being in a reg. Ed

class after the 2nd year of kindergarten other than social skills and proper

role modeling. I think that our children have every right to be in a reg Ed

class if that is what we so choose. However, it was no longer about me, but

about and where I felt he would be happier and learn the best. Viola

Guest guest
Posted

In a message dated 3/28/2006 6:39:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

ViPorier@... writes:

think that our children have every right to be in a reg Ed

class if that is what we so choose. However, it was no longer about me,

but

about and where I felt he would be happier and learn the best.

You are so right. Observing Trisha in music, art and PE we knew that trying

to fully include her would not be right for her. She was so unhappy going

to these classes with more students and doing things that she just didn't

enjoy she would just sit there and rock and cry and that wasn't our goal for

her.

Even when she transferred to the Autism school they had to slowly take her

from being in a room by herself to being in a room with 3 other kids and she

is just now going into a large group session but still is hanging back.

Trisha does not like to be around a lot of people at one time and she just

about

shuts down when she is. She retreats to her own world. I support inclusion,

however, it's just not right for every child.

Carol

Trishasmom

She isn't Typical, She's Trisha!

Guest guest
Posted

In a message dated 3/28/2006 6:39:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

ViPorier@... writes:

I have mixed feelings as far as inclusion goes.

I really believe it's an individual thing. Even if it's the right thing,

there are a TON of variables involved. However, if a program is set in place

and the child has good committed advocates, it's a beautiful thing.

That being said, it's NOT for Maddie. You have to know your child and

understand the best method for education for them.....I believe most of us do.

The important thing is to never lose sight of the fact that we ALL need to

support each other in our decisions, and not be judgmental. It's never

black and white.

Donna

Guest guest
Posted

In a message dated 3/28/2006 6:13:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

annettemaree123@... writes:

The kids are great - The class was sitting in a circle on the floor and Em

was sitting in the teachers chair playing with the teachers hair. Well she

found a pair of sissors within reach and had cut only a small chunk out of her

teachers hair before the kids yelled out E-J's got sissors!!!

LOLOLOL Sorry Annette, but this cracked me up!!!!!! I bet the teacher

learned something that day....to lock up the scissors!!!!

Donna

Guest guest
Posted

Hi Gail,

I am a believer in inclusion - for the moment, for my daughter. She turns 8

years in May and attends a regular school in grade 2. The school (teachers and

aides) have all worked very hard to keep Em in the classroom for as much of the

day as possible. The teacher stopped the aides a few weeks ago - Em was playing

up for them too much. She seems more settled in the room now. She has 1 hr

away from the class of 1:1 teaching (special teacher) working on skills, and the

class will do their quiet reading in that time. In the middle session an aide

takes Em and 2 friends outside and they do gross motor stuff. There is also an

aide to supervise her lunch breaks.

Today for the first time Em yelled " hello Mattie " in response to a hello.

Usually she just ignores people.

Last year we started at a different primary school, that felt due to Em's

behaviours she would not be able to be in a regular class. Their version of

inclusion was to have her with the special ed teacher in a small group of other

special needs kids. We pushed for time in a regular class but it seemed clear

the teacher was not interested (or unable to cope) with Em. So we changed

schools, and luckily it was for the best.

Prior to this (pre-school) year was at a special school. We had a wonderful

teacher and aide and 5 kids. It was 5 days a week. There was a lot of work

done on toileting, eating, learning to sit still, pretend play, singing etc.

My goals at the moment are to build social and communication skills. She has

learnt to sit with the group on the mat, stay at her desk for a activity, not to

hit or spit if someone comes to close, and more words are coming.

The kids are great - The class was sitting in a circle on the floor and Em was

sitting in the teachers chair playing with the teachers hair. Well she found a

pair of sissors within reach and had cut only a small chunk out of her teachers

hair before the kids yelled out E-J's got sissors!!!

For the most young kids are very accepting and helpful. I truely dont know

how Em will cope in later years when there is so much more quiet learning time.

We may look at a special school then - at the moment this is what is working and

Em loves going.

This school is not the Education Dept suggested school it is my preferred

school so just a few more forms to complete.

Before school age I sent Em to a day care centre (which got $$ from govt for

extra helper) to mix with kids, 2-3-days/week. Checked out all centre in my

area and chose on " gut " feeling. She will still go back to the same centre for

the holiday day care program.

hope this helps a litttle,

Annette (Aussie mum to Emma-Jay 7yrs, DS/PDD(nos)/ADHD, and 2 boys)

smilinggail@... wrote:

Okay, What does everyone think about inclusion for our kids? I know it's a

touchy subject and a personal choice, but I just wondered what all of you are

doing. My 4 older girls are having a fit saying that Seth will be picked on

if he is included. Anyone have an experience they are willing to share? I

say that if he has an aide with him all the time, it will help keep the

picking under control.

Gail :-)

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