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Hi ,

Welcome to the group. This is a great place to get help with the day to day

challenges we each face.

In regards to the difficulty you are having with transitioning Tucker from

one activity to the next, this is a very common in children with ASD. It¹s

a communication issue and visual communication can really help. Have you

tried using visual schedules? A great reference book to implement them is

³Visual Strategies for Improving Communication-Practical Supports for Home

and School² by A. Hodgdon. It is a simple, easy to follow aid and it

has helped us more than anything else. For example, I used to tell my

daughter it was time for dinner and then end up dragging her to the table.

Now I say it as I sign it, and I then I hand her a little picture schedule

of her sitting down, saying grace and eating. All three together seem to

just click and it works like a charm. We also use this method at school to

transition between the library, gym, cafeteria, etc. If she sees a picture,

then she gets it. It¹s her language.

Tucker may also benefit by being in a classroom that bases all communication

on a visual model.

As far as self-stimming goes, I say do what works for you. The experts who

tell us we must eradicate all stimming do not have to live with a child

under extreme emotional duress. I¹ve adopted more of a management program

rather than total removal of her stim items. If I take them away, the more

important they become to her and the more her behavior unravels. She uses

stimming to calm down, center herself and has learned to put it away when

there is work to be done. Over the years her specific stim item has evolved

to a dish towel rolled with scientific precision around a toothbrush. She

will roll and reroll it until it provides the perfect dangle. It¹s her life

and her way of bringing order to it and if it makes her happy, then it makes

me happy.

I hope this helps.

Therese Mom to 13 yo DS-ASD

Tucker has some obsessive compulsive tendencys...how do you deal with

> tamtrums? When he insists on doors being closed or a certain sibling

> sit next to him or play with him and loses control when you say " no "

> to whatever the situation is. He sometimes hits, pinches or

> scratches whoever seems to be in arms length. He does have sensory

> problems, he also has a mild-mod hearing losses, wears hearing aids

> when able to tolerate. What about sensory integration, brushing,

> swinging - does it help? Tucker has problems attending to tasks

> (unless it's his agenda then he attends well--alone) He does'nt like

> to include me in alot of play, We've been using Greenspans floor-time

> to try to get him to let us in... it has helped, but how do I get him

> out of the therapy unit without a fight or into the house for dinner

> without having to lug this 70 lb. child (you should see my biceps!)

> Has anyone had success using tryptophan to help increase seratonin

> levels to help behavior? For the most part Tucker can be very loving

> and sometimes very social, he's not as spacey now that he is on the

> gfd, but still engages in some self-stim. behavior...how much do you

> allow? Sometimes I feel like he " needs " it to unwind. I think he is

> able to learn and do so much more then what we can get him to do but

> all of this " stuff " is in the way and we just want to help him to

> communicate and deal with his frustrations and learn how to self

> regulate if possible.

> monica

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, we learned ages ago not to use the word " no " for (now 41,

DS, hearing impaired (2 aids), Autism (diagnosed last year). also

had a strong reaction to the word " no " . No is reserved to very specific

times when something requires a strong no as safety reasons. Otherwise,

we sign " later " , " future " , " one hour " , " one week " or whatever time it

may be. We may be in a store and he wants a certain thing, we can tell

him " ____ months Birthday " , and he will be fine. , for as long as

we can remember, has twirled a ball in a sock around a stick (dowel that

Dad had to cut just right length), also a metal whistle on a string he

twirls around his finger again it has to be just the right length of

string. Another is a Slinky, cut in half that he moves up and down or

around. Usually he does these things while watching TV, riding in a

car, takes when we visit his siblings. He takes the whistle on the

string to workshop as it is easy to put in his pocket and will often

twirl it when there is down time or the need arises. Since it never

interfered with any thing he was doing no one really ever said not to

have him do these things, even at work. The consultant we had evaluate

this year said that is his way to self organize and he needs the

sensory input as a way to calm his brain. Before we knew this everyone

just knew that was and what he liked to do. He may take the

whistle in his pocket to church but never had a need to twirl it there

but when we get in the car he does. Louise

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In a message dated 6/2/2004 12:03:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,

mlingalls@... writes:

For the most part Tucker can be very loving

and sometimes very social, he's not as spacey now that he is on the

gfd, but still engages in some self-stim. behavior...how much do you

allow? Sometimes I feel like he " needs " it to unwind.

Hi ,

As usual, Therese offered wonderful suggestions. Visual schedules are

very important to kids with ASD. Another thing I have noticed since Maddie was

as young as two, is that she needs time to process what it is you are asking

of her. If I show her the tub picture and hold out my hand, it may take as

long as 5 minutes before she offers her hand and comes with me. My mother

always told me I was a very patient individual...thank goodness!!!!!

When using Floortime, remember that Greenspan endorses actually using the

stim item or fixation item as a way to reach the child. I know this worked

well with Maddie. She was in her own little world for such a long time, but

when she saw her big sister dangling a sock, HEY, she noticed!!!!!!! The key

is to then expand on that and always follow the child's lead. It takes

time, but Maddie is so much more engaging than she used to be. I remember her

SI

OT, who is the QUEEN of FT, telling me that over and above everything we do

with Maddie, comes ENGAGEMENT. Engagement is crucial to relationships...a

Greenspan mantra!!

As far as tantrumming, we have always used redirection. Maddie just

doesn't comprehend consequences. If we have to take something away, it is

always

replaced with something she can have.

Hope this helps.

Donna

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i see you are trying greenspan,which is great, have you tried a more

targeted beavhioral management program. has a team at the univeristy

hospital

of psychologists, they used methods not meds, but we also use a psychiatrist

for meds which hlep wit the behavioral management. We have been doing this

since he was 3yrs old and have made tremendous gains becuase of it. There should

be a team or similair program either at a university hospital or specialty

clinic if you getthe excpetional parent magazine they have yearly issue that

have

names and addresses of places that speciallize in things to do with

disabilities for each state. I would check into this as targeting the behaviors

and

what is causing them and then the long road to correcting the beavior, it does

pay off in the long run. As for the stimming most of our kids do this in one for

or another. We let nthan do it to a degree, to help him wind down and relax,

but with behavioral management and consistancy he has learned to put them away

weh its time to work etc, and then he may get them out at certain breaks etc.

As for hedbanging nathan still does on occasion but he has learned the couch

is softer than the walls or the floor so he is safer when he does it, just

ruins my furninture. Often it just takes a stimulant such as ritlin to calm him

completely. but meds work differently on each child. shawna

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oh yes the picture scheduls are a dream, nathan doesnt function without his.

Im thinking of getting him a big year wall calender so i can show him when

schools starts again, etc, if he can see it all at once it makes more sense to

him. have the weekend off will be paying officemax a visit. has even

figured out how to change the velcro pics to a prefered activity,lol so we had

to

go to having him print out his schedule each day and crossing off as he went,

the little stinker. shawna

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