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Seems like sins vary a great deal fr culture to culture n always have - consider taboos in tribes or polygamy in Islam, etc.

Karma - cause n effect - makes better sense to me. We make mistakes thru ignorance making a loop in consciousness to expose a greater surface to experience. Hopefully we learn not to make the same mistake over n over!

I cannot say honestly that I have not consciously made a wrong choice in my life. Rebelliousness was one of my childhood specialties. N when I got away with it, true guilt set in n I judged myself. So eventually I decided that virtue was enlightened self-interest, made common sense. That helped some......

My Christian bugaboo is the second part of the Gen Confession. It is for me a constant abyss: the first is - Forgive me for those things which I have done and ought not to have done. The second is: n forgive me for those things I have not done AND OUGHT TO HAVE DONE!! Oy weh!! 3 am u fall into that abyss! u just can't win, so it's me n my shadow n trying to be aware wh I project it.

Then I discovered that one can sin on the installment plan! Ha! Those must be the venial ones. The Sufis call them NAFS. I'm great w/those! Mostly my nafs are matters of self-control - diets etc. My favorite guide is Buddha's NOBLE EIGHTFOLD PATH. I memorized it years ago n prefer it greatly to the 10 commandments.

Here it is:

THE NOBLE EIGHT-FOLD PATH

The Four Noble Truths

There is suffering in this world:

All suffering comes from attachment and desire

There is a way beyond suffering

The way is the Noble Eight-fold Path:

RIGHT VIEWS

Free from superstition and delusion

RIGHT ASPIRATIONS

High and worthy of the intelligent; worthy of man

RIGHT SPEECH

Kindly, open and truthful

RIGHT CONDUCT

Peaceful, honest and pure

RIGHT LIVELIHOOD

Bringing hurt or danger to no living being

RIGHT EFFORT

In self-training and self-control

RIGHT MINDFULNESS

The active, watchful mind

RIGHT RAPTURE

In deep meditation on the realities of life

Gautama Buddha

I like what The Dalai Lama said: "My only religion is kindness.

That says it all.

love

ao

Posted

IonaDove@... wrote:

As far as I know, sin = disobeying a god. Since there are no gods (at

least not any that give a rat's - there is no particular providence,

and "thought thinking itself" or "vorstellende sein" hardly count),

there are no sins. There is injustice. I agree with you that all "sin"

proceeds from ignorance.

best,

Dan

Seems like sins vary a great deal fr culture to culture n always

have - consider taboos in tribes or polygamy in Islam, etc.

Karma - cause n effect - makes better sense to me. We make

mistakes thru ignorance making a loop in consciousness to expose a

greater surface to experience. Hopefully we learn not to make the same

mistake over n over!

I cannot say honestly that I have not consciously made a wrong

choice in my life. Rebelliousness was one of my childhood specialties.

N when I got away with it, true guilt set in n I judged myself. So

eventually I decided that virtue was enlightened self-interest, made

common sense. That helped some......

My Christian bugaboo is the second part of the Gen Confession.

It is for me a constant abyss: the first is - Forgive me for those

things which I have done and ought not to have done. The second is: n

forgive me for those things I have not done AND OUGHT TO HAVE DONE!! Oy

weh!! 3 am u fall into that abyss! u just can't win, so

it's me n my shadow n trying to be aware wh I project it.

Then I discovered that one can sin on the installment plan! Ha!

Those must be the venial ones. The Sufis call them NAFS. I'm great

w/those! Mostly my nafs are matters of self-control - diets etc. My

favorite guide is Buddha's NOBLE EIGHTFOLD PATH. I memorized it years

ago n prefer it greatly to the 10 commandments.

Here it is:

THE NOBLE EIGHT-FOLD

PATH

The Four Noble Truths

There is

suffering in this world:

All suffering

comes from attachment and desire

There is a way

beyond suffering

The way is the

Noble Eight-fold Path:

RIGHT VIEWS

Free from superstition and delusion

RIGHT ASPIRATIONS

High and

worthy of the intelligent; worthy of man

RIGHT SPEECH

Kindly, open and truthful

RIGHT CONDUCT

Peaceful, honest and pure

RIGHT LIVELIHOOD

Bringing hurt or danger to no living being

RIGHT EFFORT

In self-training and self-control

RIGHT MINDFULNESS

The active, watchful mind

RIGHT RAPTURE

In deep meditation on the realities of life

Gautama Buddha

I like what The Dalai Lama said: "My only

religion is kindness.

That says it all.

love

ao

Posted

There is a perspective that " sin " means " missing the mark " . I much

prefer the toned down version.

>

> As far as I know, sin = disobeying a god. Since there are no gods (at

> least not any that give a rat's - there is no particular providence,

and

> " thought thinking itself " or " vorstellende sein " hardly count), there

> are no sins. There is injustice. I agree with you that all " sin "

> proceeds from ignorance.

>

> best,

>

> Dan

>

>

>

> > Seems like sins vary a great deal fr culture to culture n always have

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