Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Posted October 7, 2006 Seems like sins vary a great deal fr culture to culture n always have - consider taboos in tribes or polygamy in Islam, etc. Karma - cause n effect - makes better sense to me. We make mistakes thru ignorance making a loop in consciousness to expose a greater surface to experience. Hopefully we learn not to make the same mistake over n over! I cannot say honestly that I have not consciously made a wrong choice in my life. Rebelliousness was one of my childhood specialties. N when I got away with it, true guilt set in n I judged myself. So eventually I decided that virtue was enlightened self-interest, made common sense. That helped some...... My Christian bugaboo is the second part of the Gen Confession. It is for me a constant abyss: the first is - Forgive me for those things which I have done and ought not to have done. The second is: n forgive me for those things I have not done AND OUGHT TO HAVE DONE!! Oy weh!! 3 am u fall into that abyss! u just can't win, so it's me n my shadow n trying to be aware wh I project it. Then I discovered that one can sin on the installment plan! Ha! Those must be the venial ones. The Sufis call them NAFS. I'm great w/those! Mostly my nafs are matters of self-control - diets etc. My favorite guide is Buddha's NOBLE EIGHTFOLD PATH. I memorized it years ago n prefer it greatly to the 10 commandments. Here it is: THE NOBLE EIGHT-FOLD PATH The Four Noble Truths There is suffering in this world: All suffering comes from attachment and desire There is a way beyond suffering The way is the Noble Eight-fold Path: RIGHT VIEWS Free from superstition and delusion RIGHT ASPIRATIONS High and worthy of the intelligent; worthy of man RIGHT SPEECH Kindly, open and truthful RIGHT CONDUCT Peaceful, honest and pure RIGHT LIVELIHOOD Bringing hurt or danger to no living being RIGHT EFFORT In self-training and self-control RIGHT MINDFULNESS The active, watchful mind RIGHT RAPTURE In deep meditation on the realities of life Gautama Buddha I like what The Dalai Lama said: "My only religion is kindness. That says it all. love ao Quote
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Posted October 7, 2006 IonaDove@... wrote: As far as I know, sin = disobeying a god. Since there are no gods (at least not any that give a rat's - there is no particular providence, and "thought thinking itself" or "vorstellende sein" hardly count), there are no sins. There is injustice. I agree with you that all "sin" proceeds from ignorance. best, Dan Seems like sins vary a great deal fr culture to culture n always have - consider taboos in tribes or polygamy in Islam, etc. Karma - cause n effect - makes better sense to me. We make mistakes thru ignorance making a loop in consciousness to expose a greater surface to experience. Hopefully we learn not to make the same mistake over n over! I cannot say honestly that I have not consciously made a wrong choice in my life. Rebelliousness was one of my childhood specialties. N when I got away with it, true guilt set in n I judged myself. So eventually I decided that virtue was enlightened self-interest, made common sense. That helped some...... My Christian bugaboo is the second part of the Gen Confession. It is for me a constant abyss: the first is - Forgive me for those things which I have done and ought not to have done. The second is: n forgive me for those things I have not done AND OUGHT TO HAVE DONE!! Oy weh!! 3 am u fall into that abyss! u just can't win, so it's me n my shadow n trying to be aware wh I project it. Then I discovered that one can sin on the installment plan! Ha! Those must be the venial ones. The Sufis call them NAFS. I'm great w/those! Mostly my nafs are matters of self-control - diets etc. My favorite guide is Buddha's NOBLE EIGHTFOLD PATH. I memorized it years ago n prefer it greatly to the 10 commandments. Here it is: THE NOBLE EIGHT-FOLD PATH The Four Noble Truths There is suffering in this world: All suffering comes from attachment and desire There is a way beyond suffering The way is the Noble Eight-fold Path: RIGHT VIEWS Free from superstition and delusion RIGHT ASPIRATIONS High and worthy of the intelligent; worthy of man RIGHT SPEECH Kindly, open and truthful RIGHT CONDUCT Peaceful, honest and pure RIGHT LIVELIHOOD Bringing hurt or danger to no living being RIGHT EFFORT In self-training and self-control RIGHT MINDFULNESS The active, watchful mind RIGHT RAPTURE In deep meditation on the realities of life Gautama Buddha I like what The Dalai Lama said: "My only religion is kindness. That says it all. love ao Quote
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Posted October 8, 2006 There is a perspective that " sin " means " missing the mark " . I much prefer the toned down version. > > As far as I know, sin = disobeying a god. Since there are no gods (at > least not any that give a rat's - there is no particular providence, and > " thought thinking itself " or " vorstellende sein " hardly count), there > are no sins. There is injustice. I agree with you that all " sin " > proceeds from ignorance. > > best, > > Dan > > > > > Seems like sins vary a great deal fr culture to culture n always have Quote
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