Guest guest Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Babs, I'm not a total vegetarian, but I'm pretty close to being one. I used to be a meat and potatoes girl with lots of dairy, but have completely changed my diet. Fruits and veggies make up the bulk of my diet and I've seen great changes in my digestive system since eating this way. I don't eat beef, but occasionally will eat very small portions of chicken. Let us know if you think it makes a difference. a On Jun 19, 2005, at 7:14 PM, jmorob@... wrote: > Has anyone tried this before? I'm going for it!! > > Vegetarian Diet & Rheumatoid Arthritis > Rheumatoid arthritis (RA) sufferers could find significant relief by > following a vegetarian diet according two studies (1) (2) conducted > at the > Institute of Immunology and Rheumatology, National Hospital, Oslo, > Norway. > > The researchers had previously observed that a significant > improvement can be > obtained in rheumatoid arthritis patients by a short period of > fasting > followed by an individually adjusted vegetarian diet for one year and > so they > continued their line of research by monitoring the patients for a > period of two > years to see whether any benefits could be sustained over a longer > period. > > The researchers compared the change in the 124 patients’ conditions > (53 > who ate a strict vegetarian diet, 71 who ate an omnivorous diet) > from baseline > (i.e. the commencement of the study ) to the time of the follow-up > examination. The following variables favoured diet responders: pain > score, duration of > morning stiffness, Stanford Health Assessment Questionnaire index, > number of > tender joints, Ritchie's articular index, number of swollen joints, > ESR, > platelet count and white blood cell count. The differences between > patients who > responded to dietary therapy was significant for all the clinical > variables, except for grip strength. All of the patients were > assessed for > personality or psychological factors which could influence their > responses. The > patients who participated in the clinical trial differed > significantly from other > RA patients. Firstly, they had a higher belief or expectation in the > effectiveness of 'alternative', unconventional forms of treatment > was higher. But, of > the patients who were assigned to a vegetarian diet, there was no > significant difference between those who responded and those who > didn’t with regard to > the personality or character scores although one factor that was > noticeable > was that those who responded to the diet had a significantly lower > belief in > the effect of ordinary medical treatment compared with diet > non-responders. > > The researchers concluded that their findings clearly indicate that > large > proportion of patients with rheumatoid arthritis can benefit from > dietary > manipulations and that the improvement can be sustained through a > two-year period > and that these changes could not be explained by psychological > characteristics of the patients. > > Encouraged by their results the researchers set out to identify the > precise biochemical and immunological factors that were affected > through a > vegetarian diet. No changes were noted in samples taken from those > patients who ate > meat but 14 of the 15 measured variables responded positively in the > vegetarians and the differences were statistically significant for > leukocyte count, > IgM rheumatoid factor RF, and the complement components C3 and C4 > after > only one month of treat ment. Most of the laboratory variables > declined > considerably in the vegetarians who improved according to clinical > variables > (symptoms), indicating a substantial reduction in inflammatory > activity. > > Take Care > Babs > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Babs, I'm not a total vegetarian, but I'm pretty close to being one. I used to be a meat and potatoes girl with lots of dairy, but have completely changed my diet. Fruits and veggies make up the bulk of my diet and I've seen great changes in my digestive system since eating this way. I don't eat beef, but occasionally will eat very small portions of chicken. Let us know if you think it makes a difference. a On Jun 19, 2005, at 7:14 PM, jmorob@... wrote: > Has anyone tried this before? I'm going for it!! > > Vegetarian Diet & Rheumatoid Arthritis > Rheumatoid arthritis (RA) sufferers could find significant relief by > following a vegetarian diet according two studies (1) (2) conducted > at the > Institute of Immunology and Rheumatology, National Hospital, Oslo, > Norway. > > The researchers had previously observed that a significant > improvement can be > obtained in rheumatoid arthritis patients by a short period of > fasting > followed by an individually adjusted vegetarian diet for one year and > so they > continued their line of research by monitoring the patients for a > period of two > years to see whether any benefits could be sustained over a longer > period. > > The researchers compared the change in the 124 patients’ conditions > (53 > who ate a strict vegetarian diet, 71 who ate an omnivorous diet) > from baseline > (i.e. the commencement of the study ) to the time of the follow-up > examination. The following variables favoured diet responders: pain > score, duration of > morning stiffness, Stanford Health Assessment Questionnaire index, > number of > tender joints, Ritchie's articular index, number of swollen joints, > ESR, > platelet count and white blood cell count. The differences between > patients who > responded to dietary therapy was significant for all the clinical > variables, except for grip strength. All of the patients were > assessed for > personality or psychological factors which could influence their > responses. The > patients who participated in the clinical trial differed > significantly from other > RA patients. Firstly, they had a higher belief or expectation in the > effectiveness of 'alternative', unconventional forms of treatment > was higher. But, of > the patients who were assigned to a vegetarian diet, there was no > significant difference between those who responded and those who > didn’t with regard to > the personality or character scores although one factor that was > noticeable > was that those who responded to the diet had a significantly lower > belief in > the effect of ordinary medical treatment compared with diet > non-responders. > > The researchers concluded that their findings clearly indicate that > large > proportion of patients with rheumatoid arthritis can benefit from > dietary > manipulations and that the improvement can be sustained through a > two-year period > and that these changes could not be explained by psychological > characteristics of the patients. > > Encouraged by their results the researchers set out to identify the > precise biochemical and immunological factors that were affected > through a > vegetarian diet. No changes were noted in samples taken from those > patients who ate > meat but 14 of the 15 measured variables responded positively in the > vegetarians and the differences were statistically significant for > leukocyte count, > IgM rheumatoid factor RF, and the complement components C3 and C4 > after > only one month of treat ment. Most of the laboratory variables > declined > considerably in the vegetarians who improved according to clinical > variables > (symptoms), indicating a substantial reduction in inflammatory > activity. > > Take Care > Babs > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 I Have done a lot of research on diet as well. I will be going to california the 12 th. of next month to a clinic to do a controlled water fast then will follow up with a refeeding program. and while im there they will teach me how and what to cook for people with RA.. Talked to the doctor last week and he said with RA. the water fast will do in 2 weeks what it takes 1-2 years to do with diet along . I also ask about juice fasting he said that juicing would work also but there again will take 1-2 years. IM so sick of hurting and being in pain 24-7 that I decided to bit the bullet and try it. He said that in most cases it was not a pleasent experience .and told me what to expect. He also said that hunger went away in 24-36 hours. If it works I can handle that it cant be as bad as the pain Im in. the diet is plant based a lot of raw veg. some steamed no dairy, no gluten, no sugar,no meat after you have everything under control you can add fish and maybe some chicken in small amounts. but he did make it very clear that if you were not going to follow the plan 100% you were wasting your money and there time. I know its going to be hard Im 64 years old and have been junk food junkie all my life but this pain is something else it has complete taken over my life i can not even walk with out someone helping me up and holding on I hurt from the bottom of my feet all the way to my jaws if theres a joint it hurts and stays swallon I can not bend my fingers the pass 3 days my poor husband has had to feed me dress me and hes really bad with the curling iron bless his heart he trys so hard but a hair dresser hes not and I have the burns to prove it.So if you guys will keep me in your prayers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 I Have done a lot of research on diet as well. I will be going to california the 12 th. of next month to a clinic to do a controlled water fast then will follow up with a refeeding program. and while im there they will teach me how and what to cook for people with RA.. Talked to the doctor last week and he said with RA. the water fast will do in 2 weeks what it takes 1-2 years to do with diet along . I also ask about juice fasting he said that juicing would work also but there again will take 1-2 years. IM so sick of hurting and being in pain 24-7 that I decided to bit the bullet and try it. He said that in most cases it was not a pleasent experience .and told me what to expect. He also said that hunger went away in 24-36 hours. If it works I can handle that it cant be as bad as the pain Im in. the diet is plant based a lot of raw veg. some steamed no dairy, no gluten, no sugar,no meat after you have everything under control you can add fish and maybe some chicken in small amounts. but he did make it very clear that if you were not going to follow the plan 100% you were wasting your money and there time. I know its going to be hard Im 64 years old and have been junk food junkie all my life but this pain is something else it has complete taken over my life i can not even walk with out someone helping me up and holding on I hurt from the bottom of my feet all the way to my jaws if theres a joint it hurts and stays swallon I can not bend my fingers the pass 3 days my poor husband has had to feed me dress me and hes really bad with the curling iron bless his heart he trys so hard but a hair dresser hes not and I have the burns to prove it.So if you guys will keep me in your prayers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 It is AMAZING! DELICIOUS! (I've tried it :-) Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:06 AM, Bonnie wrote: I was just looking at the Wildernessfamilynaturals.com site and I found this, I bet we could make this with our vitamixCoco Bliss is a delicious, raw, certified organic energy bar made with simple ingredients like coconut, almonds, blue agave and cacao. It consists of a tasty coconut-almond nugget sandwiched between two outside (chocolaty) layers of ground cacao and almonds. There are no fillers, binders or preservatives, yet it keeps well in your cupboard, or on your nightstand, ready whenever you need it! Best of all, this bar really tastes great!Coco Bliss contains medium chain fatty acids and fiber from the coconut. It also contains fiber and protein from the ground almonds and natural antioxidants from the Raw Cacao Powder, which exhibits an ORAC score of over 1300 μmol TE/g. This bar is 99.9% raw!Ingredients: Organic raw coconut, organic raw agave nectar, organic raw almond butter, organic raw cacao powder, organic vanilla extract, organic almond extract.What do you think? Bonnie www.bonniesherbals.com“creating radiance with herbs and water†http://www.facebook.com/RadiantHealthforLifehttp://www.twitter.com/_RadiantHealthhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/bonnierogersComing soon: we are rebranding, our new name will be www.RadiantHealthforLife.com.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 This sounds really good. Lea Ann can you share how you made it? This sounds just like a bar made here by a local raw restaurant that's made of almond butter, cashews , cranberries and honey and it's delicious...the problem is that one bar costs about $9.00 and I'm sure I could make a ton of them for that amount. Let me know. Thanks! Verria > > > I was just looking at the Wildernessfamilynaturals.com site and I found this, I bet we could make this with our vitamix > > Coco Bliss is a delicious, raw, certified organic energy bar made with simple ingredients like coconut, almonds, blue agave and cacao. It consists of a tasty coconut-almond nugget sandwiched between two outside (chocolaty) layers of ground cacao and almonds. There are no fillers, binders or preservatives, yet it keeps well in your cupboard, or on your nightstand, ready whenever you need it! Best of all, this bar really tastes great! > > Coco Bliss contains medium chain fatty acids and fiber from the coconut. It also contains fiber and protein from the ground almonds and natural antioxidants from the Raw Cacao Powder, which exhibits an ORAC score of over 1300 μmol TE/g. This bar is 99.9% raw! > > Ingredients: > Organic raw coconut, organic raw agave nectar, organic raw almond butter, organic raw cacao powder, organic vanilla extract, organic almond extract. > > What do you think? > > > > Bonnie > www.bonniesherbals.com > > “creating radiance with herbs and water†> > > > http://www.facebook.com/RadiantHealthforLife > > http://www.twitter.com/_RadiantHealth > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/bonnierogers > > Coming soon: we are rebranding, our new name will be www.RadiantHealthforLife.com.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Hello Verria,When I saw the words Coconut Bliss I quit reading because I was thinking that it was Cocoa Bliss - http://www.amazon.com/Artisana-Coconut-Butter-Cacao-Organic-8-Ounce/dp/B0046GRD0O which I have made. So, I can only guess how to make them, (I'd really have to see one to know for sure), but I'll make a guess.For the chocolate crust I'd blend the almonds in the dry container, or pulse them from off to high until they were crumbly, but not becoming nut butter (in the wet container) with agave and cocoa powder, and enough coconut oil (a touch) to help it all form into a sticky, crumbly mass (kind of like graham cracker crust)For the middle, I'd blend the coconut flakes and almond to make an almond/coconut butter, then I'd add some vanilla extract and some agave to taste.To make it easy, I'd make balls of the coconut/almond butter then roll them until covered in the chocolate graham cracker crust, then I'd put it all in the refrigerator. This may not be how it is sold, but based on the ingredients listed, that is how I'd make it. One reviewer didn't like the almond extract, if I were using it, I'd put it in with the cocoa crust.I bought some veggie culture starter from that website so I could add one of these bars to the order and see what they were like... Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:03 PM, verriakelly wrote: This sounds really good. Lea Ann can you share how you made it? This sounds just like a bar made here by a local raw restaurant that's made of almond butter, cashews , cranberries and honey and it's delicious...the problem is that one bar costs about $9.00 and I'm sure I could make a ton of them for that amount. Let me know. Thanks! Verria > > > I was just looking at the Wildernessfamilynaturals.com site and I found this, I bet we could make this with our vitamix > > Coco Bliss is a delicious, raw, certified organic energy bar made with simple ingredients like coconut, almonds, blue agave and cacao. It consists of a tasty coconut-almond nugget sandwiched between two outside (chocolaty) layers of ground cacao and almonds. There are no fillers, binders or preservatives, yet it keeps well in your cupboard, or on your nightstand, ready whenever you need it! Best of all, this bar really tastes great! > > Coco Bliss contains medium chain fatty acids and fiber from the coconut. It also contains fiber and protein from the ground almonds and natural antioxidants from the Raw Cacao Powder, which exhibits an ORAC score of over 1300 μmol TE/g. This bar is 99.9% raw! > > Ingredients: > Organic raw coconut, organic raw agave nectar, organic raw almond butter, organic raw cacao powder, organic vanilla extract, organic almond extract. > > What do you think? > > > > Bonnie > www.bonniesherbals.com > > “creating radiance with herbs and water†> > > > http://www.facebook.com/RadiantHealthforLife > > http://www.twitter.com/_RadiantHealth > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/bonnierogers > > Coming soon: we are rebranding, our new name will be www.RadiantHealthforLife.com.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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