Re: Re: TD-DMPS vs. NDF+ Toxic Metals Test Results

[Guest guest]

At 05:18 AM 9/8/2005, you wrote:

>NDF is a nanonized (tiny) form of chlorella and other " natural "

>chelators. You can read more about it at www.bioray2000.com.

>(www.brainchildnutritionals.com will also take you there). There can

>be a concern with chlorella that it contains mercury, but some

>listmates on CK2 and I tested it for metals, and it came back clean.

Which version of NDF did you test - both of them?

[Guest guest]

NDF Plus is the one that they suggest for very sensitive people like our

kids, and that's the only one we're carrying at Brainchild, for that

reason. Another website run by the Bioray people with some good articles

about NDF and NDF Plus is www.healthydetox.org .

Terri

At 07:24 AM 9/8/2005, you wrote:

>At 05:18 AM 9/8/2005, you wrote:

> >NDF is a nanonized (tiny) form of chlorella and other " natural "

> >chelators. You can read more about it at www.bioray2000.com.

> >(www.brainchildnutritionals.com will also take you there). There can

> >be a concern with chlorella that it contains mercury, but some

> >listmates on CK2 and I tested it for metals, and it came back clean.

>

>Which version of NDF did you test - both of them?

>

>

[Guest guest]

So why do they think it contains Mercury? Is it listed? Thanks for the

information, I will check it out.

Kathleen

TD-DMPS vs. NDF+ Toxic Metals Test Results

>>

>>

>> > My just-turned 4-yr old son (dx PDD in Nov, dx Asperger's in

> January,

>> > dx as off-the-spectrum as of a few months ago) has been chelating

>> > since Feb using TD-DMPS and NDF+. He was VERY sensitive to DMPS,

> so

>> > we started with just a drop and have been SLOWLY working up 1 drop

>> > every 2-4 weeks. We've been testing for metals every month on

>> > the " on " day and saw elevated mercury and lead in the urine right

>> > away (starting the first month). We saw those metals in the fecal

>> > tests as well, but only in the " green " range, although we saw

> other

>> > metals elevated in fecal right away as well. We've always tested

> on

>> > the regular dosage (however many drops he was on at the time of

>> > testing), never challenge dose. I wanted to see how much was

> coming

>> > out on a regular basis.

>> >

>> > For our 6-month metals test, we decided to test fecal and urine

> metal

>> > excretion on both the on-day (TD-DMPS at 16 drops) and on

> the " off " -

>> > day (NDF+ 10 drops 2x day, plus infrared sauna in the evening). I

>> > (and our DAN, Dr. Usman) was curious to see what, if anything, he

> was

>> > excreting on the NDF+ day. The results were really interesting.

> He

>> > was excreting more overall with NDF+ (on the " off " day), but

> slightly

>> > more mercury with TD-DMPS. Dr. Usman thinks that we're getting a

>> > synergistic pull with both TD-DMPS and NDF+ combining to get us

> great

>> > pulls on a daily basis. Here are the numbers below. (Just a

>> > warning -- the fecal results are probably reversed, since the

> fecal

>> > sample from the " NDF " day probably contains metals pulled from the

>> > previous (i.e., " DMPS " ) day, and vice-versa).

>> >

>> > URINE

>> > - No aluminum, antimony, beryllium, bismuth, lead, platinum,

> thorium,

>> > tin, or uranium on either NDF or DMPS day.

>> > - Arsenic - green both days (35 on NDF, 18 on DMPS) (ref <200)

>> > - Cadmium - green on NDF (1.3), nothing on DMPS (ref <3)

>> > - Mercury - yellow on both days (6.2 on NDF, 7.8 on DMPS) (ref <5)

>> > - Nickel - green on NDF (3.1), nothing on DMPS (ref <20)

>> > - Thallium - green on both days (0.2 on both days) (ref <1.1)

>> > - Tungsten - yellow on NDF (4.8), green on DMPS (1.6) (ref <2)

>> >

>> > FECAL

>> > - Some excretion on every metal for which Doctor's Data tests

>> > - Mercury - high green both days (.046 NDF, .031 DMPS) (ref <.050)

>> > - Antimony - high green both days (.069 NDF, .068 DMPS) (ref

> <.080)

>> > - Arsenic - green on NDF (.25), yellow on DMPS (.41) (ref <.30)

>> > - Beryllium - green on both (.005 NDF, .006 DMPS) (ref <.009)

>> > - Bismuth - green on both (.017 NDF, .018 DMPS) (ref <.050)

>> > - Cadmium - yellow on NDF (.70), green on DMPS (.37) (ref <.50)

>> > - Copper - green on both (35 NDF, 22 DMPS) (ref <60)

>> > - Lead - yellow on both (1.07 NDF, .80 DMPS) (ref <.50)

>> > - Nickel - green on both (2.5 NDF, 2.5 DMPS) (ref <8.0)

>> > - Platinum - high red on both (.105 NDF, .028 DMPS) (ref <.003)

>> > - Thallium - yellow on NDF (.024), green DMPS (.012) (ref <.020)

>> > - Tungsten - high red on both (.824 NDF, .405 DMPS) (ref <.090)

>> > - Uranium - green on both (.039 NDF, .052 DMPS) (ref <.120)

>> >

>> > **************************************

>> >

>> > Behaviorally, he is doing just awesome. I've posted detailed

>> > progress reports before, so I won't bore you with all the details,

>> > but some major progress in the last few months of chelation in

>> > pragmatic and social language. He's lost his diagnosis and is

> doing

>> > great playing and conversing with other kids, participating in

> games

>> > and circle time, asking and answering why questions, etc. It was

> his

>> > birthday (4th) last week, and he picked out everything for his

> party,

>> > chose which friends to invite, location for the party, theme, etc.

>> > Then as each car drove up to the park where we were having the

> party,

>> > he ran up to each kid, hugged them hi, took the presents (hee

> hee),

>> > etc. So different from the last birthday!!!!

>> >

>> > We still have issues we're working on, including some gross motor

>> > awkwardness, losing focus/attention in large group settings, etc.

>> > But I feel like we've come so far that I can't help but feel

> totally

>> > grateful. Dr. Usman said at the beginning of our phone consult

> that

>> > she could guess that he must be doing so well, given how much

> stuff

>> > is being excreted out of him. Also, our OATS test also came back

>> > CLEAN for the first time ever!!!!!! No yeast & no bacteria!!!!!!!

>> > Anyway, I credit the GFCF/SCD diet, gut bug RXs (vancomyacin &

>> > nystatin), chelation, and TD-LDN (as well as RDI for therapy) for

> the

>> > improvements we've seen.

>> >

>> > Most of all, I just want to thank all of you guys (and our DAN, of

>> > course) for our progress so far. I never would have been able to

>> > make it through all the ups and downs without all your support and

>> > all your helpful responses to all my emergency questions. I know

>> > there's still a long road ahead, but it seems so much better

> knowing

>> > I'll have all of you to turn to!

>> >

>> > hugs, Angie

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at

>> > <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx>

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Chlorella acts as a mercury magnet in nature, for example, in the

ocean. That's why they were concerned about it. No, it does not list

mercury and the testing that was done did not find any. The Bioray people

say they culture their chlorella in purified water, I believe, not in the

ocean.

Terri

At 09:23 AM 9/8/2005, you wrote:

>So why do they think it contains Mercury? Is it listed? Thanks for the

>information, I will check it out.

>Kathleen

> TD-DMPS vs. NDF+ Toxic Metals Test Results

> >>

> >>

> >> > My just-turned 4-yr old son (dx PDD in Nov, dx Asperger's in

> > January,

> >> > dx as off-the-spectrum as of a few months ago) has been chelating

> >> > since Feb using TD-DMPS and NDF+. He was VERY sensitive to DMPS,

> > so

> >> > we started with just a drop and have been SLOWLY working up 1 drop

> >> > every 2-4 weeks. We've been testing for metals every month on

> >> > the " on " day and saw elevated mercury and lead in the urine right

> >> > away (starting the first month). We saw those metals in the fecal

> >> > tests as well, but only in the " green " range, although we saw

> > other

> >> > metals elevated in fecal right away as well. We've always tested

> > on

> >> > the regular dosage (however many drops he was on at the time of

> >> > testing), never challenge dose. I wanted to see how much was

> > coming

> >> > out on a regular basis.

> >> >

> >> > For our 6-month metals test, we decided to test fecal and urine

> > metal

> >> > excretion on both the on-day (TD-DMPS at 16 drops) and on

> > the " off " -

> >> > day (NDF+ 10 drops 2x day, plus infrared sauna in the evening). I

> >> > (and our DAN, Dr. Usman) was curious to see what, if anything, he

> > was

> >> > excreting on the NDF+ day. The results were really interesting.

> > He

> >> > was excreting more overall with NDF+ (on the " off " day), but

> > slightly

> >> > more mercury with TD-DMPS. Dr. Usman thinks that we're getting a

> >> > synergistic pull with both TD-DMPS and NDF+ combining to get us

> > great

> >> > pulls on a daily basis. Here are the numbers below. (Just a

> >> > warning -- the fecal results are probably reversed, since the

> > fecal

> >> > sample from the " NDF " day probably contains metals pulled from the

> >> > previous (i.e., " DMPS " ) day, and vice-versa).

> >> >

> >> > URINE

> >> > - No aluminum, antimony, beryllium, bismuth, lead, platinum,

> > thorium,

> >> > tin, or uranium on either NDF or DMPS day.

> >> > - Arsenic - green both days (35 on NDF, 18 on DMPS) (ref <200)

> >> > - Cadmium - green on NDF (1.3), nothing on DMPS (ref <3)

> >> > - Mercury - yellow on both days (6.2 on NDF, 7.8 on DMPS) (ref <5)

> >> > - Nickel - green on NDF (3.1), nothing on DMPS (ref <20)

> >> > - Thallium - green on both days (0.2 on both days) (ref <1.1)

> >> > - Tungsten - yellow on NDF (4.8), green on DMPS (1.6) (ref <2)

> >> >

> >> > FECAL

> >> > - Some excretion on every metal for which Doctor's Data tests

> >> > - Mercury - high green both days (.046 NDF, .031 DMPS) (ref <.050)

> >> > - Antimony - high green both days (.069 NDF, .068 DMPS) (ref

> > <.080)

> >> > - Arsenic - green on NDF (.25), yellow on DMPS (.41) (ref <.30)

> >> > - Beryllium - green on both (.005 NDF, .006 DMPS) (ref <.009)

> >> > - Bismuth - green on both (.017 NDF, .018 DMPS) (ref <.050)

> >> > - Cadmium - yellow on NDF (.70), green on DMPS (.37) (ref <.50)

> >> > - Copper - green on both (35 NDF, 22 DMPS) (ref <60)

> >> > - Lead - yellow on both (1.07 NDF, .80 DMPS) (ref <.50)

> >> > - Nickel - green on both (2.5 NDF, 2.5 DMPS) (ref <8.0)

> >> > - Platinum - high red on both (.105 NDF, .028 DMPS) (ref <.003)

> >> > - Thallium - yellow on NDF (.024), green DMPS (.012) (ref <.020)

> >> > - Tungsten - high red on both (.824 NDF, .405 DMPS) (ref <.090)

> >> > - Uranium - green on both (.039 NDF, .052 DMPS) (ref <.120)

> >> >

> >> > **************************************

> >> >

> >> > Behaviorally, he is doing just awesome. I've posted detailed

> >> > progress reports before, so I won't bore you with all the details,

> >> > but some major progress in the last few months of chelation in

> >> > pragmatic and social language. He's lost his diagnosis and is

> > doing

> >> > great playing and conversing with other kids, participating in

> > games

> >> > and circle time, asking and answering why questions, etc. It was

> > his

> >> > birthday (4th) last week, and he picked out everything for his

> > party,

> >> > chose which friends to invite, location for the party, theme, etc.

> >> > Then as each car drove up to the park where we were having the

> > party,

> >> > he ran up to each kid, hugged them hi, took the presents (hee

> > hee),

> >> > etc. So different from the last birthday!!!!

> >> >

> >> > We still have issues we're working on, including some gross motor

> >> > awkwardness, losing focus/attention in large group settings, etc.

> >> > But I feel like we've come so far that I can't help but feel

> > totally

> >> > grateful. Dr. Usman said at the beginning of our phone consult

> > that

> >> > she could guess that he must be doing so well, given how much

> > stuff

> >> > is being excreted out of him. Also, our OATS test also came back

> >> > CLEAN for the first time ever!!!!!! No yeast & no bacteria!!!!!!!

> >> > Anyway, I credit the GFCF/SCD diet, gut bug RXs (vancomyacin &

> >> > nystatin), chelation, and TD-LDN (as well as RDI for therapy) for

> > the

> >> > improvements we've seen.

> >> >

> >> > Most of all, I just want to thank all of you guys (and our DAN, of

> >> > course) for our progress so far. I never would have been able to

> >> > make it through all the ups and downs without all your support and

> >> > all your helpful responses to all my emergency questions. I know

> >> > there's still a long road ahead, but it seems so much better

> > knowing

> >> > I'll have all of you to turn to!

> >> >

> >> > hugs, Angie

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at

> >> >

>

<<http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx>http://forums.autism-rxguide\

book.com/default.aspx>

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you Terri, this is really interesting to me so I am going to

investigate it further. I appreciate the help.

Kathlenn

TD-DMPS vs. NDF+ Toxic Metals Test Results

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> > My just-turned 4-yr old son (dx PDD in Nov, dx Asperger's in

>> > January,

>> >> > dx as off-the-spectrum as of a few months ago) has been chelating

>> >> > since Feb using TD-DMPS and NDF+. He was VERY sensitive to DMPS,

>> > so

>> >> > we started with just a drop and have been SLOWLY working up 1 drop

>> >> > every 2-4 weeks. We've been testing for metals every month on

>> >> > the " on " day and saw elevated mercury and lead in the urine right

>> >> > away (starting the first month). We saw those metals in the fecal

>> >> > tests as well, but only in the " green " range, although we saw

>> > other

>> >> > metals elevated in fecal right away as well. We've always tested

>> > on

>> >> > the regular dosage (however many drops he was on at the time of

>> >> > testing), never challenge dose. I wanted to see how much was

>> > coming

>> >> > out on a regular basis.

>> >> >

>> >> > For our 6-month metals test, we decided to test fecal and urine

>> > metal

>> >> > excretion on both the on-day (TD-DMPS at 16 drops) and on

>> > the " off " -

>> >> > day (NDF+ 10 drops 2x day, plus infrared sauna in the evening). I

>> >> > (and our DAN, Dr. Usman) was curious to see what, if anything, he

>> > was

>> >> > excreting on the NDF+ day. The results were really interesting.

>> > He

>> >> > was excreting more overall with NDF+ (on the " off " day), but

>> > slightly

>> >> > more mercury with TD-DMPS. Dr. Usman thinks that we're getting a

>> >> > synergistic pull with both TD-DMPS and NDF+ combining to get us

>> > great

>> >> > pulls on a daily basis. Here are the numbers below. (Just a

>> >> > warning -- the fecal results are probably reversed, since the

>> > fecal

>> >> > sample from the " NDF " day probably contains metals pulled from the

>> >> > previous (i.e., " DMPS " ) day, and vice-versa).

>> >> >

>> >> > URINE

>> >> > - No aluminum, antimony, beryllium, bismuth, lead, platinum,

>> > thorium,

>> >> > tin, or uranium on either NDF or DMPS day.

>> >> > - Arsenic - green both days (35 on NDF, 18 on DMPS) (ref <200)

>> >> > - Cadmium - green on NDF (1.3), nothing on DMPS (ref <3)

>> >> > - Mercury - yellow on both days (6.2 on NDF, 7.8 on DMPS) (ref <5)

>> >> > - Nickel - green on NDF (3.1), nothing on DMPS (ref <20)

>> >> > - Thallium - green on both days (0.2 on both days) (ref <1.1)

>> >> > - Tungsten - yellow on NDF (4.8), green on DMPS (1.6) (ref <2)

>> >> >

>> >> > FECAL

>> >> > - Some excretion on every metal for which Doctor's Data tests

>> >> > - Mercury - high green both days (.046 NDF, .031 DMPS) (ref <.050)

>> >> > - Antimony - high green both days (.069 NDF, .068 DMPS) (ref

>> > <.080)

>> >> > - Arsenic - green on NDF (.25), yellow on DMPS (.41) (ref <.30)

>> >> > - Beryllium - green on both (.005 NDF, .006 DMPS) (ref <.009)

>> >> > - Bismuth - green on both (.017 NDF, .018 DMPS) (ref <.050)

>> >> > - Cadmium - yellow on NDF (.70), green on DMPS (.37) (ref <.50)

>> >> > - Copper - green on both (35 NDF, 22 DMPS) (ref <60)

>> >> > - Lead - yellow on both (1.07 NDF, .80 DMPS) (ref <.50)

>> >> > - Nickel - green on both (2.5 NDF, 2.5 DMPS) (ref <8.0)

>> >> > - Platinum - high red on both (.105 NDF, .028 DMPS) (ref <.003)

>> >> > - Thallium - yellow on NDF (.024), green DMPS (.012) (ref <.020)

>> >> > - Tungsten - high red on both (.824 NDF, .405 DMPS) (ref <.090)

>> >> > - Uranium - green on both (.039 NDF, .052 DMPS) (ref <.120)

>> >> >

>> >> > **************************************

>> >> >

>> >> > Behaviorally, he is doing just awesome. I've posted detailed

>> >> > progress reports before, so I won't bore you with all the details,

>> >> > but some major progress in the last few months of chelation in

>> >> > pragmatic and social language. He's lost his diagnosis and is

>> > doing

>> >> > great playing and conversing with other kids, participating in

>> > games

>> >> > and circle time, asking and answering why questions, etc. It was

>> > his

>> >> > birthday (4th) last week, and he picked out everything for his

>> > party,

>> >> > chose which friends to invite, location for the party, theme, etc.

>> >> > Then as each car drove up to the park where we were having the

>> > party,

>> >> > he ran up to each kid, hugged them hi, took the presents (hee

>> > hee),

>> >> > etc. So different from the last birthday!!!!

>> >> >

>> >> > We still have issues we're working on, including some gross motor

>> >> > awkwardness, losing focus/attention in large group settings, etc.

>> >> > But I feel like we've come so far that I can't help but feel

>> > totally

>> >> > grateful. Dr. Usman said at the beginning of our phone consult

>> > that

>> >> > she could guess that he must be doing so well, given how much

>> > stuff

>> >> > is being excreted out of him. Also, our OATS test also came back

>> >> > CLEAN for the first time ever!!!!!! No yeast & no bacteria!!!!!!!

>> >> > Anyway, I credit the GFCF/SCD diet, gut bug RXs (vancomyacin &

>> >> > nystatin), chelation, and TD-LDN (as well as RDI for therapy) for

>> > the

>> >> > improvements we've seen.

>> >> >

>> >> > Most of all, I just want to thank all of you guys (and our DAN, of

>> >> > course) for our progress so far. I never would have been able to

>> >> > make it through all the ups and downs without all your support and

>> >> > all your helpful responses to all my emergency questions. I know

>> >> > there's still a long road ahead, but it seems so much better

>> > knowing

>> >> > I'll have all of you to turn to!

>> >> >

>> >> > hugs, Angie

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at

>> >> >

>>

<<http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx>http://forums.autism-rxguide\

book.com/default.aspx>

>> >> >

>> >> >