Guest guest Posted February 7, 2004 Report Posted February 7, 2004 Harry your example is soooo encouraging! Thank you. Rita > Two months ago I started doing some resistance training, since I am very > much a weakling and out of shape physically. I am an old geezer, too, being > 64 years of age and having had three heart attacks in the past. So I would > say I am not in the best of shape at all, but I have been working at getting > stronger and developing more physical stamina especially since this past > August, when I discovered I was seriously out of control with my diabetes > and I also had sighns of heart failure last August with a plus4 edema in my > lower legs. . > Well, last June I started walking on a treadmill, and it was very slow going > for the first month. In fact walking first started at 1.5 miles per hour > for a total of six minutes, then a rest, then going for nine minutes, > resting a long time and doing another nine minutes. It took almost a month > before I could walk 30 minutes at 1.5 miles per hour, and afterwards I > usually had to lay down and rest for an hour or two or even go to sleep for > a while before I could get up and do any thing. After walking for a month > or so the exhausted feeling began to go away after each walk in about six > weeks. Every week I would increase my speed of walking around a tenth of a > mile per hour. After three months of walking I began to feel much better, > and after five months of walking I started getting the runner's high walking > at three miles per hour. I also increased my walking time from 30 minutes > to 40 minutes three times per week. Today I walk at 3.1 or 3.2 miles per > hour for 40 minutes, and I feel much better. > I can now go shopping with my wife and keep up with her in the mall. Before > starting this walking program I had to stop two and some times three times > from the parking lot to the mall entrance, just to get my breath. Usually, > after entering the mall I had to find a seat and wait on my wife to finish > shopping. Now I can stroll along with her and shop, too. > After listening to Dr. Gabe Mirkin's audio files on exercise and building > strength and stamina, I figured I needed to get stronger, too. So, two > months ago I started doing some floor exercises like stretching, situps, > pushups and knee bends. At first I could not even do a single decent pushup > and only five situps. > I do these resistance training around two or three times per week, depending > on how I feel. Mostly I do it twice per week. > Of course I come from the old school; no pain, no gain and if you don't > break a sweat when walking, then you aren't walking enough. > Well, I can now do over 100 situps and over 100 pushups on the days I do > floor exercises. I do them the Dr. Mirkin way, and I can definitely testify > to the fact that his way works. > Since I am on insulin, before I do my exercises I first take a glucose > reading. If I am in my targert range, I take a glucose tablet about 30 > minutes before starting my exercising or walking, because, when I walk or do > physical exertion my glucose level falls. So I do this to keep my glucose > level from falling into the low glucose level, where I have problems. > Do you have any suggestions or recommendations about managing your diabetes, > building stamina and strength? I could certainly use some. > The one thing I have noticed is a weight gain of around three pounds since > embarking on my resistance training for the past two months, but the good > news is that it is all muscle. > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 wow. sounds great Harry! sounds like you got it down just fine. Main thing is eating a glucose tab or 2 prior to exercising. I'd also recommend to exercise 4 hours past your last dose of humalog so you know it is out of your body and wont' crank your sugar low. Regards, getting in shape > Two months ago I started doing some resistance training, since I am very > much a weakling and out of shape physically. I am an old geezer, too, being > 64 years of age and having had three heart attacks in the past. So I would > say I am not in the best of shape at all, but I have been working at getting > stronger and developing more physical stamina especially since this past > August, when I discovered I was seriously out of control with my diabetes > and I also had sighns of heart failure last August with a plus4 edema in my > lower legs. . > Well, last June I started walking on a treadmill, and it was very slow going > for the first month. In fact walking first started at 1.5 miles per hour > for a total of six minutes, then a rest, then going for nine minutes, > resting a long time and doing another nine minutes. It took almost a month > before I could walk 30 minutes at 1.5 miles per hour, and afterwards I > usually had to lay down and rest for an hour or two or even go to sleep for > a while before I could get up and do any thing. After walking for a month > or so the exhausted feeling began to go away after each walk in about six > weeks. Every week I would increase my speed of walking around a tenth of a > mile per hour. After three months of walking I began to feel much better, > and after five months of walking I started getting the runner's high walking > at three miles per hour. I also increased my walking time from 30 minutes > to 40 minutes three times per week. Today I walk at 3.1 or 3.2 miles per > hour for 40 minutes, and I feel much better. > I can now go shopping with my wife and keep up with her in the mall. Before > starting this walking program I had to stop two and some times three times > from the parking lot to the mall entrance, just to get my breath. Usually, > after entering the mall I had to find a seat and wait on my wife to finish > shopping. Now I can stroll along with her and shop, too. > After listening to Dr. Gabe Mirkin's audio files on exercise and building > strength and stamina, I figured I needed to get stronger, too. So, two > months ago I started doing some floor exercises like stretching, situps, > pushups and knee bends. At first I could not even do a single decent pushup > and only five situps. > I do these resistance training around two or three times per week, depending > on how I feel. Mostly I do it twice per week. > Of course I come from the old school; no pain, no gain and if you don't > break a sweat when walking, then you aren't walking enough. > Well, I can now do over 100 situps and over 100 pushups on the days I do > floor exercises. I do them the Dr. Mirkin way, and I can definitely testify > to the fact that his way works. > Since I am on insulin, before I do my exercises I first take a glucose > reading. If I am in my targert range, I take a glucose tablet about 30 > minutes before starting my exercising or walking, because, when I walk or do > physical exertion my glucose level falls. So I do this to keep my glucose > level from falling into the low glucose level, where I have problems. > Do you have any suggestions or recommendations about managing your diabetes, > building stamina and strength? I could certainly use some. > The one thing I have noticed is a weight gain of around three pounds since > embarking on my resistance training for the past two months, but the good > news is that it is all muscle. > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 yes it really was. thanks for sharing harry. Regards, Re: getting in shape > Harry your example is soooo encouraging! Thank you. > Rita > > > > > Two months ago I started doing some resistance training, since I am very > > much a weakling and out of shape physically. I am an old geezer, too, being > > 64 years of age and having had three heart attacks in the past. So I would > > say I am not in the best of shape at all, but I have been working at getting > > stronger and developing more physical stamina especially since this past > > August, when I discovered I was seriously out of control with my diabetes > > and I also had sighns of heart failure last August with a plus4 edema in my > > lower legs. . > > Well, last June I started walking on a treadmill, and it was very slow going > > for the first month. In fact walking first started at 1.5 miles per hour > > for a total of six minutes, then a rest, then going for nine minutes, > > resting a long time and doing another nine minutes. It took almost a month > > before I could walk 30 minutes at 1.5 miles per hour, and afterwards I > > usually had to lay down and rest for an hour or two or even go to sleep for > > a while before I could get up and do any thing. After walking for a month > > or so the exhausted feeling began to go away after each walk in about six > > weeks. Every week I would increase my speed of walking around a tenth of a > > mile per hour. After three months of walking I began to feel much better, > > and after five months of walking I started getting the runner's high walking > > at three miles per hour. I also increased my walking time from 30 minutes > > to 40 minutes three times per week. Today I walk at 3.1 or 3.2 miles per > > hour for 40 minutes, and I feel much better. > > I can now go shopping with my wife and keep up with her in the mall. Before > > starting this walking program I had to stop two and some times three times > > from the parking lot to the mall entrance, just to get my breath. Usually, > > after entering the mall I had to find a seat and wait on my wife to finish > > shopping. Now I can stroll along with her and shop, too. > > After listening to Dr. Gabe Mirkin's audio files on exercise and building > > strength and stamina, I figured I needed to get stronger, too. So, two > > months ago I started doing some floor exercises like stretching, situps, > > pushups and knee bends. At first I could not even do a single decent pushup > > and only five situps. > > I do these resistance training around two or three times per week, depending > > on how I feel. Mostly I do it twice per week. > > Of course I come from the old school; no pain, no gain and if you don't > > break a sweat when walking, then you aren't walking enough. > > Well, I can now do over 100 situps and over 100 pushups on the days I do > > floor exercises. I do them the Dr. Mirkin way, and I can definitely testify > > to the fact that his way works. > > Since I am on insulin, before I do my exercises I first take a glucose > > reading. If I am in my targert range, I take a glucose tablet about 30 > > minutes before starting my exercising or walking, because, when I walk or do > > physical exertion my glucose level falls. So I do this to keep my glucose > > level from falling into the low glucose level, where I have problems. > > Do you have any suggestions or recommendations about managing your diabetes, > > building stamina and strength? I could certainly use some. > > The one thing I have noticed is a weight gain of around three pounds since > > embarking on my resistance training for the past two months, but the good > > news is that it is all muscle. > > > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 hey good stuff Harry. post some more! Regards, Re: getting in shape > I challenge each and every one of you out there to get in shape. After all > the one and only thing that has been proven time after time for increasing > longevity of life is guess what?, yes, EXERCISE! > I challenge you to do pushups and situps the Dr. Gabe Mirkin way. You can > do it, and you will feel much better for having done so. > My goal is to do at least 100 pushups and 100 situps on the days I do floor > exercises. Now this may sound ridiculous to you, but it can be done. I am > a living example of a person who can now do it. > Two months ago I could not even do one simple decent pushup. Yes, I said > one of them could not be done by me. > So what is the ttrick or gimmick in doing these pushups and situps? You may > ask, and I will tell you it is the knowledge of the technique employed in > achieving proper exercise. Knowing is one thing and doing is another. I > cannot do it for you, but I can share with you the knowledge on how to do > it. So here goes!: > Exertion, rest and recovery are the key words you need to memorize and keep > in mind at all times. Now that you know this set a time to do floor > exercises like stretches, situps, pushups, and knee bends. I basically set > aside one hour twice per week to do my floor exercises, but you may be > different depending on your situation. > The exercises already mentioned with work on all of your major muscle > groups, which is what you want to do to achieve overall fitness. > EXERTION: is done by doing a particular exercise for example pushups in > sets. > A set of exercises is the number of repetitions a particular exercise is > done in each trial. > For example when I first started doing pushups, I could only do one pushup > from the knees, not from the feet. So I did ten sets of one pushup, then I > would rest until the burn went away and do another set. In fact I don't > think I was able to do ten sets of one, but I did as many as I could. After > a couple of weeks I was finally able to do one decent normal pushup. Now I > can do 100 pushups in a set of 30, a set of 20, another set of 20, a set of > 15, and another set of 15. > He says it is better to do 100 pushups in ten sets of ten pushups each than > to do 100 pushups at once, which is rarely done, unless you are young and > healthy. > REST: Dr. Mirkin recommends resting for 30 seconds or so between each set > of exercises. I usually take a lot longer even up to five or six minutes, > since my ticker is in not so good of shape. This is why it takes me an hour > to do my exercises, since I have heart trouble. If you don't have heart > trouble you could probably start your next set of the exercises within a > minute or two after rest at most. > When you feel the burn in your muscles, you know the exercises are working > for you making you stronger with recovery time. > RECOVERY: > Let enough time elapse between your floor exercises to allow the muscles to > no longer be sore. This usually takes two or three days. When your muscles > are no longer sore, then it is time to stress them again by doing sets of > the exercise you choose to do. Remember this: No pain, no gain! > I usually do aerobic walking three times per week and resistance training > twice per week, but I do not do both resistance and aerobic training on the > same days, usually. > Not all pushups are the same. I will talk about different kinds of pushups > later, but suffice it for now that there are many different kinds of them do > do. Doing a superslow pushup will build strength quicker than doing them > fast, but I haven't been able to do many of them yet. For example a normal > pushup takes around two seconds, but try taking 10 seconds to do the same > pushup and you will see what I mean. > More later and please make some resistance training exercises > recommendations. > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 Situps: Like pushups there different kinds of situps. I practice the kind of situp that puts the least pressure on the lower back, xince I have low back problems, having had back surgery many years ago. Do not put the hands behind the head, which is the old fashion type of situp, which puts lots of pressure on the lower back when you do them. Instead place your hands cross way on your front chest. You do not have to lay flat of your back on the down stroke of the situp either. In fact it is best to just go about half way on the downstroke of the situp. After all you want to tense the stomach muscles and have the resistance there. So place your feet under a stableholder, where the toes are under it and the knees are up and the feet are flat on the floor. If you do floor exercises with a partner, then the partner can hold your feet down while you do situps. Do your situps in sets. I do a set of 50 situps, then a set of 40 and then a set of 20 at last try. Remember to rest between sets of situps until you feel like doing another set. Repeating the sets of repetitions is the way to go, even if you have to start with a set of 1, and later increaxse it to a set of 2 or more. This way you get a good stomach burn, which means the stomach muscles have been stressed, so now it it time to wait a couple of days or so for the soreness in the muscles to go away. If your stomach muscles are not sore the day after you do these situps, then I think you have not done enough of them. Some people call these situps stomach crunches, but the idea is the same. Remember feet flat on the floor and the knees up. For those not able to do this, then sit on a bench and lean backwards, but don't fall backwards. When you have gone as far back as you can without falling, hold it for a few seconds and sit up slowly. Repeat these seveeral times. Pretty soon you will be able to do normal regular situps like other folks. Doing an exercise super slow is the way to go to build strength, and the other advantage of doing them superslow is you are not likely to hurt yourself either. Quote
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 good stuff Harry. thanks. regards, Re: getting in shape > Situps: > Like pushups there different kinds of situps. I practice the kind of situp > that puts the least pressure on the lower back, xince I have low back > problems, having had back surgery many years ago. > Do not put the hands behind the head, which is the old fashion type of > situp, which puts lots of pressure on the lower back when you do them. > Instead place your hands cross way on your front chest. You do not have to > lay flat of your back on the down stroke of the situp either. In fact it is > best to just go about half way on the downstroke of the situp. After all > you want to tense the stomach muscles and have the resistance there. So > place your feet under a stableholder, where the toes are under it and the > knees are up and the feet are flat on the floor. If you do floor exercises > with a partner, then the partner can hold your feet down while you do > situps. > Do your situps in sets. I do a set of 50 situps, then a set of 40 and then > a set of 20 at last try. Remember to rest between sets of situps until you > feel like doing another set. Repeating the sets of repetitions is the way > to go, even if you have to start with a set of 1, and later increaxse it to > a set of 2 or more. This way you get a good stomach burn, which means the > stomach muscles have been stressed, so now it it time to wait a couple of > days or so for the soreness in the muscles to go away. If your stomach > muscles are not sore the day after you do these situps, then I think you > have not done enough of them. > Some people call these situps stomach crunches, but the idea is the same. > Remember feet flat on the floor and the knees up. For those not able to do > this, then sit on a bench and lean backwards, but don't fall backwards. > When you have gone as far back as you can without falling, hold it for a few > seconds and sit up slowly. > Repeat these seveeral times. Pretty soon you will be able to do normal > regular situps like other folks. > Doing an exercise super slow is the way to go to build strength, and the > other advantage of doing them superslow is you are not likely to hurt > yourself either. > > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Posted March 5, 2004 I am getting ship shape, since I am leaving for a one week cruise in the western Caribbean. I will be back here after the Ides of March. Quote
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Posted March 5, 2004 have a great time-and don't eat too many carbs! (which will be very hard to do!) Re: getting in shape I am getting ship shape, since I am leaving for a one week cruise in the western Caribbean. I will be back here after the Ides of March. Quote
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Posted March 5, 2004 have lots of fun Harry! I am certain you will do fine on the cruise with eating good. If you treat yourself to a carb, just get the carb grams off the chef/kitchen and if they don't have them, don't eat it, find a treat that they have the carb grams for and then tack on about 5 extra units on top of your normal dose of humalog to cover the treat. However, you must get checked 2 hours past eating since you are essentially over dosing slightly on humalog and run the risk of passing out. In other words, when eating a carb infested treat, having slightly to much humalog in your body is better than not enough and going high but you have to catch the 2 hour low sugar and counter-act it with a glucose tablet or you'll pass out. LOL. I don't recommend this for novice diabetics just learning to carb count and dose insulin, you'll quickly wind up in the hospital in an insulin coma. Harry knows how to properly calculate his 15 grams with units of humalog so he may want to try this. Knowing Harry though, he will not try it but hey Harry, if you do decide to on the cruise, now you know. For example, try to find a treat that is around 30 to 38 grams of carbs but no more. In your case, that would be about 20 units normally to cover it, tag on an extra 5 so now you are at 25 units of H to eat about a 30 to 38 gram carb infested treat. That should do it. Just remember to check 2 hours past eating to catch the potential low with a glucose tablet or two. I do this routine occasionally since my sweet tooth likes to eat an occasional treat *wink* Regards, Re: getting in shape I am getting ship shape, since I am leaving for a one week cruise in the western Caribbean. I will be back here after the Ides of March. Quote
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Posted March 19, 2004 Hi Harry, Have you ever used bungi cords? Rita Quote
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Posted March 19, 2004 Harry, I forgot to ask if you have ever done hmmmm how to spell it, i so met tricks? The Air Force used that approach. Rita Quote
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Posted March 19, 2004 Yes, I have used bungi cord a long time ago. I used it to tie down some things in back of a truck. It is a cord that stretches. I have also seen some devices for resistant training that used bungi cords to apply resistance. Re: getting in shape > Hi Harry, > > Have you ever used bungi cords? > Rita > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Posted March 19, 2004 So Harry for sure it is important really important to cool it. I always have heard that and do come to a very gradual stop. Start the same way with warm ups. Rita and thank you for this reminder Harry. Quote
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Posted March 19, 2004 I just did the treadmill walk, and the first ten minutes of the walk were slow, but okay, and the next 10-20 minutes caused me to break a sweat, which was normal. After 22 minutes of walking at 3.0 miles per hour, I increased my speed to 3.2 miles per hour. At the thirty minute mark I increased my speed to 3.4 miles per hour and began reducing my speed at 35 minutes of walking back to 3.2, for a minute then to 3.0mph for another minute then finished off at around 2.8 mph. I had a good sweat and felt good. My glucose level after the walk was 63, so I ate some nuts. Re: getting in shape > I haven't done any exercises at all since just before my cruise until today > which is four days after my return from the last cruise. This means that I > have allowed 14 days to elapse without doing any exercises at all either > resistance training or just plain walking on the treadmill. I understand > that if one allows one week or seven days to go by without exercising, then > one must pay the price for not exercising. I will report later in detail on > how it goes. > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Posted March 19, 2004 I believe you are talking about isometrics. I use some isometric exercises, but I prefer to do situps, pushups and knee bends and some toe raises along with some stretches before and after exercising. I usually do resistance training on a day seperate from doing aerobic exercises like walking or cycling. It is best for diabetics and nondiabetics to build some muscle mass through anaerobic exercising like pushups, situps and weight lifting, if one has the equipment. To lose weight it would also be good to build muscle mass. While this will cause some weight loss, it may be slow, but it will cause the body to firm up glucose and fat and especially provide the diabetic with more tissue to burn off glucose, which can be converted to fat unless one does not exercise regularly. If you are fat, I believe it would be most helpful for you to get into a body building mode and develop muscle. Since I have a " bad " , not so good heart, I things doing it slowly at first and try to increase my endurance and strength gradually. One can easily build muscle mass by following Dr. Mirkin's advice on resistance training. I wish I could afford a gym and a nautalis weight lifting machine and a personal trainer, but at present I will just stick to doing some basic muscle building with situps, pushups, knee bends, .etc. We all can do these things by remembering the ERR rules, exersion, rest and recovery. Resistance training has to be strenuous in order to build muscle. No pain no gain is still the rule. Just do it gradually and in a few weeks you and others will notice a big difference, as I did, in my strength and endurance ability. Before I started resistance training I did not have any biceps to speak of, and today I definitely have some biceps, which are getting more defined and bigger as I continue to do this type of training. Re: getting in shape > Harry, > I forgot to ask if you have ever done hmmmm how to spell it, i so met > tricks? > The Air Force used that approach. > > Rita > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2004 Report Posted March 21, 2004 Thank you Harry for this explanation. It does make sense. I am at the stretching and gentle moves stage though as I am a bit weak and can hardly get started for many many reasons. Some physical and some emotional. Time is what I think I'll need. Sigh. Sleepy now. Rita > I believe you are talking about isometrics. I use some isometric exercises, > but I prefer to do situps, pushups and knee bends and some toe raises along > with some stretches before and after exercising. I usually do resistance > training on a day seperate from doing aerobic exercises like walking or > cycling. > It is best for diabetics and nondiabetics to build some muscle mass through > anaerobic exercising like pushups, situps and weight lifting, if one has the > equipment. > To lose weight it would also be good to build muscle mass. While this will > cause some weight loss, it may be slow, but it will cause the body to firm > up glucose and fat and especially provide the diabetic with more tissue to > burn off glucose, which can be converted to fat unless one does not exercise > regularly. > If you are fat, I believe it would be most helpful for you to get into a > body building mode and develop muscle. Since I have a " bad " , not so good > heart, I things doing it slowly at first and try to increase my endurance > and strength gradually. One can easily build muscle mass by following Dr. > Mirkin's advice on resistance training. I wish I could afford a gym and a > nautalis weight lifting machine and a personal trainer, but at present I > will just stick to doing some basic muscle building with situps, pushups, > knee bends, .etc. We all can do these things by remembering the ERR rules, > exersion, rest and recovery. Resistance training has to be strenuous in > order to build muscle. No pain no gain is still the rule. Just do it > gradually and in a few weeks you and others will notice a big difference, as > I did, in my strength and endurance ability. > Before I started resistance training I did not have any biceps to speak of, > and today I definitely have some biceps, which are getting more defined and > bigger as I continue to do this type of training. > Re: getting in shape > > > > Harry, > > I forgot to ask if you have ever done hmmmm how to spell it, i so met > > tricks? > > The Air Force used that approach. > > > > Rita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2004 Report Posted March 21, 2004 I see what you mean. In any event the key to getting stronger and better is persistence toward your goal. Re: getting in shape > > > > > > > Harry, > > > I forgot to ask if you have ever done hmmmm how to spell it, i so met > > > tricks? > > > The Air Force used that approach. > > > > > > Rita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2004 Report Posted March 21, 2004 Ah yes persistence. Well I guess that is based on making whatever a way of life and not just a temporary state. Rita who dog gone it is still sleepy after a whole night's sleep. Of cousre no way did I sleep straight through. Haven't in years. Is there a sleep problems list? Is there one also for the blind? Rita > I see what you mean. In any event the key to getting stronger and better is > persistence toward your goal. > > Re: getting in shape > > > > > > > > > > Harry, > > > > I forgot to ask if you have ever done hmmmm how to spell it, i so met > > > > tricks? > > > > The Air Force used that approach. > > > > > > > > Rita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2004 Report Posted March 21, 2004 There is a little known sleep reaction that is rarely talked about to others, even the professionals in the field. It is called paradoxical sleep reaction. It happens to those who sleep for more than nine hours continuously, if it happens at all. It is called paradoxical sleep reaction, since those who experience it also complain that they feel sleepy; like they have not had a good night's sleep. Even though it can happen to those who get fewer hours of continuous sleep, it rarely happens to those who sleep eight hours or less continuously. Re: getting in shape > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry, > > > > > I forgot to ask if you have ever done hmmmm how to spell it, i so met > > > > > tricks? > > > > > The Air Force used that approach. > > > > > > > > > > Rita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2004 Report Posted March 21, 2004 Interesting Harry and thank you. Would you know of a list re sleep? Could be helpful. Rita > There is a little known sleep reaction that is rarely talked about to > others, even the professionals in the field. It is called paradoxical sleep > reaction. It happens to those who sleep for more than nine hours > continuously, if it happens at all. > It is called paradoxical sleep reaction, since those who experience it also > complain that they feel sleepy; like they have not had a good night's sleep. > Even though it can happen to those who get fewer hours of continuous sleep, > it rarely happens to those who sleep eight hours or less continuously. > > Re: getting in shape > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry, > > > > > > I forgot to ask if you have ever done hmmmm how to spell it, i so > met > > > > > > tricks? > > > > > > The Air Force used that approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2004 Report Posted March 22, 2004 I do not know of a sleep list, but If you like I can search for one for you. Re: getting in shape > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry, > > > > > > > I forgot to ask if you have ever done hmmmm how to spell it, i so > > met > > > > > > > tricks? > > > > > > > The Air Force used that approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2004 Report Posted March 22, 2004 Yes Harry would you please help with this. I'd like a list and not just an article. I like and need and enjoy the back and forthness of a list. If you would could you give me the exact address to type in and not just the http info. Can't do that. Thank you for your time. has given me a few addresses for excellent topics other than sleep. This is such a caring list. I feel as though I now have lots of brothers and sisters. Smile. Rita > I do not know of a sleep list, but If you like I can search for one for you. > > Re: getting in shape > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry, > > > > > > > > I forgot to ask if you have ever done hmmmm how to spell it, i > so > > > met > > > > > > > > tricks? > > > > > > > > The Air Force used that approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote
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