Guest guest Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 daniellecan you teach me more about this? I uh do not know how to use them well enough meslef but I do use them also for pain patietns Unclear on the evidence but often some helpful-- so I send to PT to trial the device but I can do this myslef?Isn;t medicare a pain more than others about the paperwork for tens? what can you teach me?thanks! Ron, It is probably one for you to have to give to the next patient who needs one. They usually come with paperwork for billing medicare/insurance. I have 5 of them sitting in my office right now because I use them regualrly for patients with chronic pain. When I decide a patients needs one I just pull it out of the cupboard right there and teach them how to use it. There is a code you can bill for that I fill out some paperwork and fax into their insurance and the patient goes home with the TENS. I do not think it can/should be sold because the company that sent it to you actually still owns it. Dannielle Harwood, MD To: practiceimprovement1 < > Sent: Sun, December 18, 2011 10:23:40 PMSubject: TENS unit I ordered a TENS unit for a patient and they sent 2. I was going to list the second on Ebay, but dont know if you are allowed to sell this kind of medical equipment on there. Does anyone know? What about Craig's list? -- MD ph fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Sorry, I wasnt clear: I purchased these from Amazon, (not paid for by insurance). I only meant to buy one, but apparently ordered 2. I could try and return it to the seller, but dont really know how to do that. Or, as suggested, just keep it until someone else needs one to own. I think it was $35. Thanks for the suggestions. Ron, When you say " they " , whom do you mean, Medicare? The medical equipment supplier? And is there any reason why you couldn't contact them and explain that they sent an extra one by mistake and have them arrange to take it back? Seto South Pasadena, CA I ordered a TENS unit for a patient and they sent 2. I was going to list the second on Ebay, but dont know if you are allowed to sell this kind of medical equipment on there. Does anyone know? What about Craig's list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Thanks, Sharon Ron, Amazon returns are easy, as long as within 30 days. Log into your account, click on the order and they'll give you options. Let me know if you need help I know way too much about amazon. Dannielle, I'm also interested in learning about how hard it is to learn how to teach patients how to use TENS; probably something useful for me to know. Sounds easy enough. Maybe I'll give it a go. SharonSharon McCoy www.sharongeorgemd.com www.impcenter.org Sorry, I wasnt clear: I purchased these from Amazon, (not paid for by insurance). I only meant to buy one, but apparently ordered 2. I could try and return it to the seller, but dont really know how to do that. Or, as suggested, just keep it until someone else needs one to own. I think it was $35. Thanks for the suggestions. Ron, When you say " they " , whom do you mean, Medicare? The medical equipment supplier? And is there any reason why you couldn't contact them and explain that they sent an extra one by mistake and have them arrange to take it back? Seto South Pasadena, CA I ordered a TENS unit for a patient and they sent 2. I was going to list the second on Ebay, but dont know if you are allowed to sell this kind of medical equipment on there. Does anyone know? What about Craig's list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 really very helpfulWill have to see if i will feel insecure to take this on but I like doing as much as possibel for peopelBarbara Starfileld 3rd pillar of primary care- comprehensive care do as much a s you can for them less fragmented cool le I had no idea thank you Jean I am not sure I really know that much.....I work with 2 different companies EMPI and Reliant. EMPI has electrode that stick on the patient and Reliant has a conductive fabric (better for patients with poor skin integrity/thin skin or allergic to adhesive). You just follow the directions in the box regarding lead placement and then choose the program in the device. I use them for management of chronic pain esp low back, shoulder and knee. Also helpful with neuropathic pain/neuropathy.You code for the problem i.e shoulder pain and then for placement and education regarding the device. The code that you can bill for placement is 64550 (medicare) or 97014 for nonmedicare. If you want to also bill for an episode of therapy using the TENS unit in the office the code is G0283 (medicare) and 97032 for nonmedicare. You do need to be in attendance to use the 97032 code and the length of stimulation should be 15min. I usually set it up on the patient and then review how to place it, set the machine, care fore it etc.....that's about 15 min. Medicare only covers for chronic not acute pain. Medicare requires a re-evaluation in 30 days. Let me know if you have any other questions!!Dannielle To: Sent: Mon, December 19, 2011 6:18:14 AMSubject: Re: TENS unit daniellecan you teach me more about this? I uh do not know how to use them well enough meslef but I do use them also for pain patietns Unclear on the evidence but often some helpful-- so I send to PT to trial the device but I can do this myslef?Isn;t medicare a pain more than others about the paperwork for tens? what can you teach me?thanks! Ron, It is probably one for you to have to give to the next patient who needs one. They usually come with paperwork for billing medicare/insurance. I have 5 of them sitting in my office right now because I use them regualrly for patients with chronic pain. When I decide a patients needs one I just pull it out of the cupboard right there and teach them how to use it. There is a code you can bill for that I fill out some paperwork and fax into their insurance and the patient goes home with the TENS. I do not think it can/should be sold because the company that sent it to you actually still owns it. Dannielle Harwood, MD To: practiceimprovement1 < > Sent: Sun, December 18, 2011 10:23:40 PMSubject: TENS unit I ordered a TENS unit for a patient and they sent 2. I was going to list the second on Ebay, but dont know if you are allowed to sell this kind of medical equipment on there. Does anyone know? What about Craig's list? -- MD ph fax -- MD ph fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 I recall seeing a UTube instruction on use of TENS, but dont have the URL. really very helpfulWill have to see if i will feel insecure to take this on but I like doing as much as possibel for peopelBarbara Starfileld 3rd pillar of primary care- comprehensive care do as much a s you can for them less fragmented cool le I had no idea thank you Jean I am not sure I really know that much.....I work with 2 different companies EMPI and Reliant. EMPI has electrode that stick on the patient and Reliant has a conductive fabric (better for patients with poor skin integrity/thin skin or allergic to adhesive). You just follow the directions in the box regarding lead placement and then choose the program in the device. I use them for management of chronic pain esp low back, shoulder and knee. Also helpful with neuropathic pain/neuropathy.You code for the problem i.e shoulder pain and then for placement and education regarding the device. The code that you can bill for placement is 64550 (medicare) or 97014 for nonmedicare. If you want to also bill for an episode of therapy using the TENS unit in the office the code is G0283 (medicare) and 97032 for nonmedicare. You do need to be in attendance to use the 97032 code and the length of stimulation should be 15min. I usually set it up on the patient and then review how to place it, set the machine, care fore it etc.....that's about 15 min. Medicare only covers for chronic not acute pain. Medicare requires a re-evaluation in 30 days. Let me know if you have any other questions!!Dannielle To: Sent: Mon, December 19, 2011 6:18:14 AMSubject: Re: TENS unit daniellecan you teach me more about this? I uh do not know how to use them well enough meslef but I do use them also for pain patietns Unclear on the evidence but often some helpful-- so I send to PT to trial the device but I can do this myslef?Isn;t medicare a pain more than others about the paperwork for tens? what can you teach me?thanks! Ron, It is probably one for you to have to give to the next patient who needs one. They usually come with paperwork for billing medicare/insurance. I have 5 of them sitting in my office right now because I use them regualrly for patients with chronic pain. When I decide a patients needs one I just pull it out of the cupboard right there and teach them how to use it. There is a code you can bill for that I fill out some paperwork and fax into their insurance and the patient goes home with the TENS. I do not think it can/should be sold because the company that sent it to you actually still owns it. Dannielle Harwood, MD To: practiceimprovement1 < > Sent: Sun, December 18, 2011 10:23:40 PMSubject: TENS unit I ordered a TENS unit for a patient and they sent 2. I was going to list the second on Ebay, but dont know if you are allowed to sell this kind of medical equipment on there. Does anyone know? What about Craig's list? -- MD ph fax -- MD ph fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 you tube of course! They have brain surgery on there? I recall seeing a UTube instruction on use of TENS, but dont have the URL. really very helpfulWill have to see if i will feel insecure to take this on but I like doing as much as possibel for peopelBarbara Starfileld 3rd pillar of primary care- comprehensive care do as much a s you can for them less fragmented cool le I had no idea thank you Jean I am not sure I really know that much.....I work with 2 different companies EMPI and Reliant. EMPI has electrode that stick on the patient and Reliant has a conductive fabric (better for patients with poor skin integrity/thin skin or allergic to adhesive). You just follow the directions in the box regarding lead placement and then choose the program in the device. I use them for management of chronic pain esp low back, shoulder and knee. Also helpful with neuropathic pain/neuropathy.You code for the problem i.e shoulder pain and then for placement and education regarding the device. The code that you can bill for placement is 64550 (medicare) or 97014 for nonmedicare. If you want to also bill for an episode of therapy using the TENS unit in the office the code is G0283 (medicare) and 97032 for nonmedicare. You do need to be in attendance to use the 97032 code and the length of stimulation should be 15min. I usually set it up on the patient and then review how to place it, set the machine, care fore it etc.....that's about 15 min. Medicare only covers for chronic not acute pain. Medicare requires a re-evaluation in 30 days. Let me know if you have any other questions!!Dannielle To: Sent: Mon, December 19, 2011 6:18:14 AMSubject: Re: TENS unit daniellecan you teach me more about this? I uh do not know how to use them well enough meslef but I do use them also for pain patietns Unclear on the evidence but often some helpful-- so I send to PT to trial the device but I can do this myslef?Isn;t medicare a pain more than others about the paperwork for tens? what can you teach me?thanks! Ron, It is probably one for you to have to give to the next patient who needs one. They usually come with paperwork for billing medicare/insurance. I have 5 of them sitting in my office right now because I use them regualrly for patients with chronic pain. When I decide a patients needs one I just pull it out of the cupboard right there and teach them how to use it. There is a code you can bill for that I fill out some paperwork and fax into their insurance and the patient goes home with the TENS. I do not think it can/should be sold because the company that sent it to you actually still owns it. Dannielle Harwood, MD To: practiceimprovement1 < > Sent: Sun, December 18, 2011 10:23:40 PMSubject: TENS unit I ordered a TENS unit for a patient and they sent 2. I was going to list the second on Ebay, but dont know if you are allowed to sell this kind of medical equipment on there. Does anyone know? What about Craig's list? -- MD ph fax -- MD ph fax -- MD ph fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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