Re: Re:RE:Kaiden; Who are these people?

[Guest guest]

> so to who am i to think you are referring ..since the only hint you give

is that they have " belief in demons,and what not " "

> As i believe in demons and whatnot,,do you mean me too?

Jesus Christ in a smoking birch bark canoe.

Look, is going to call me a " troll " if I don't argue with you about

your belief in demons, even though I really don't want to discuss it. For

example, assuming you are a Christian here for the moment, do you believe in

Zeus? I don't believe in Zues, or Appollo, or most of the Greco-Roman

pantheon. (OK, I'll make allowences for Hekate... sue me). While I can't

argue with any certainty why you don't believe in Zeus (for only can

say with absolute certainty what the motivation behind other's actions is),

I would suspect it for much the same reason that I also do not believe in

Zeus, except perhaps as a metaphor or a ralying symbol of the Laconic

peoples.

Someone famous enough to quote, but not famous enough for me to remember who

it was, ocne said, " I maintain that you and I are both atheists, only that I

believe in one less god than you do. When you examine the reasons why you

do not believe in other gods, you will see why I do not believe in yours. "

Since I know that the " show me a demon " argument is a straw man, I'll only

ask you to show me the results or actions of a demon, and show me in such a

way that cannot be more easily explained by some other cause... cases in

which Occam's Razor clearly says " this is indeed the work of the devil. " *

____________________

" I'm easily confused. It's part of my boyish charm. "

-- Kaiden Fox

*Said in the same tone of voice that Eliot s uses in the movie

" Bedazzled. "

[Guest guest]

Kaiden Fox wrote:

> Look, is going to call me a " troll " if I don't argue with you

> about your belief in demons,

....

> While I can't argue with any certainty why you

> don't believe in Zeus (for only can say with absolute certainty

> what the motivation behind other's actions is),

Give it a rest, Kaiden. Your messages were absolutely consistent with

troll messages, and it was not a stretch for me to call you on it. If

you're going to call someone on this list an asshole for having certain

opinions, you should be ready to support the statement.

[Guest guest]

> Give it a rest, Kaiden. Your messages were absolutely consistent with

> troll messages, and it was not a stretch for me to call you on it. If

> you're going to call someone on this list an asshole for having certain

> opinions, you should be ready to support the statement.

, it is not your opinions that make you an asshole. It is just your

general hostility, and of course your self-referential ideation. I've

explained on another list, I don't make insinuations. I make attacks, but

not insinuations. You may have noticed that I didn't say, " some people

might consider me a troll, " or " because I don't wish to be considered a

troll. " Instead, I said that you, , would consider me a troll.

You started this, by faulty theory-of-mind attribution (and that is part of

what makes you an asshole). I already explained that I dislike explaining

myself on emotionally charged subjects. I'm not a demogouge... I'm not even

neurotypical. Flourishing phrases that rally others to my noble cause is

not one of my major talents. Libertarians are considered extremists, ,

in case you weren't told. Their minds break down when I corner them in the

Same Old Shit - they prove themselves to believe in the equivalent of

perpetual motion machines when it comes to " free market. " Why should I

waste my time arguing socioecconomic philosophy with them, ever? That, and

you make these HUGE jumps (leaps of faith) from what I say to what you WANT

me to say. I say I'm suprised, you think I'm disappointed. What, has every

supreise in your life been disapointing to you? You then twist and turn

what I say around to suit your agenda.

Admit it, I hit a nerve and set off your political perseveration. Your

logic (and I know you have it... I've read your Autism Advocacy pages), went

bye-bye while your emotions urged you on to attack me.

And now you think you can just dismiss it by waving your hand and saying,

" give it a rest " ? I'm using every social skill I can muster to find a

better job. The only real slack I have is that at least I'm not also

working on top of that... and I get a lecture about the evils of the

wellfair state from someone who... oh fuck it, it's too silly to even point

out, . No offense meant to the rest of you who are at least consistant

in your political beliefs. Even if you're not working, I do believe you can

contribute to society in other ways... and even if you can't or don't want

to, I still believe you're valuable human beings.

, when and if I ever get on SSDI, or simply retire, then we'll have all

the time in the world to discuss politics. I know you're a selfish bastard

who doesn't care about the comfort of others, only yourself. Sure, it looks

great when you put it into terms of OUR comfort, as autistics, yet you have

NO REGARD AT ALL for my discomfort in discussing politics. I'm not good at

talking about emotionally charged issues, and I'm not good at resolving

interpersonal conflict.

I wanted to " give it a rest " before it even started. I explained where I

was coming from, and you twisted everything into me being a " troll. " I

don't know why, because unlike you I do not pretend to have god-like

knowledge into the motivations of others, but you decided that I hated you.

At the time, you were wrong.

Now... now I do hate you. I didn't, but you wouldn't relent. Everything I

said, you had to twist into your own perverse and paranoid paradigm. That,

not your philosophy, is why I hate you. That, not your philosophy, is why I

think you're an asshole.

[Guest guest]

;

Suicide amongst ANYBODY is NO LAUGHING MATTER AT ALL. When I was in 4th

grade, I lost a loved one to it-(schizophrenia.) You were more than

mondo beyondo tacky with your uncalled for commentary. was

right. If this does continue, there's always other sites I can join

without the existence of megaflaming. In the meanwhile, please refrain

from this in the future. OK??

Wanda

" The tribe has spoken...You must extinguish your flame. " " Survivor " TV

Show

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Apology accepted! : > D

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