Re: New Member looking for information

[Guest guest]

First I want to welcome you Carolyn,

I am Vicki the VP around these parts. I am living in upper

wisconsin. Have been a fibromite for nearly 2 years, but have had it

for longer. Finding a cure for the uncurable is nearly impossiable. I

wish there was a cure I could suggest or a miricle that someone has

found but there isnt.

But please dont become discouraged. There will be someday and when

it is found this painful disease will finally go away. Finally free

the thousands of us that have been taken over by this monster, I have

found that threw the time I have been with this group I have learned

that for one person's pain there is always one person with a new idea

to help them with it. We all here have the same disease and each and

everyone of us treats it differently, from the meds we take the the

herbal remidies. Please feel free to ask each of us what we do. And

you might find just one that will help you with yours.

Love and Prayers

Vicki/ Group VP

> Hi, I'm Carolyn, 56, live near Dallas, fibromyalgia diagnosed 6

years

> ago, although symptoms for many years. Also fatigue. In bed for a

> year; only out of bed for about 6 months. On SS Disability since

> 2000. Also have restless leg syndrome, periodic limb movement

> disorder, Epstein-Barr Virus, test positive sometimes and negative

> sometimes for Lupus.

>

> Have been to Mayo Clinic sdale, no help. Also a friend of

mine

> just returned from Mayo Clinic Minn. No real help. Just changed

her

> perscription medications around. No cure. Just more expense for

> drugs. She's on disability also.

>

> Conventional doctors can't do anything except give meds for the

> symptoms. I am looking for a CURE! I also can't continue having a

> $600 plus medication bill every month. That is almost as much as

my

> disability check.

>

> I have been to the Issels Clinic in sdale last fall. They

> helped some. I stayed 3 weeks. Among the things they did was

> Vitamin C IV's every day, massage therapy, vitamin regime, diet,

sent

> me to a holistic dentist who removed all amalgam fillings (8),

> colonics, juices daily, several detox things, detox drinks for

heavy

> metals. Tests found arcenic, tin, silver amalgams (thate's not

what

> it's called, but I can't think of it now) and constant water intake

> especially during IV's, Vit. B-12 shots, etc. They didn't take

> insurance or Medicare. Because I had to stay in hotel and rent

car,

> etc., cost of Clinic and everything was $16,000.

>

> I came home better, but not great. As the months have passed, I

seem

> to be getting worse.

>

> Found out about Fibromyalgia Fatigue Centers online. 3 locations,

> started in California. Now in Dallas and ???? maybe Atlanta. Say

> the have been " successful " with 6,000 cases. I am having dialog

with

> them now. Haven't made a decision. Do not take any insurance or

> Medicare either. I havne't found out the cost yet. I don't know

> what their definition of " successful " is. Has anyone been to any of

> these clinics?

>

> One thing that has helped me is Dr. Vickery's Fibromyalgia vitamin

> package. The first three months, it cost $155/mo. Later, it's

less

> for maintenance. www.fibromyalgiacure.com But this hasn't cured

> me yet, but I am having ongoing email and phone conversations with

> Dr. Vickery, which is free and very helpful. Sometimes I get so

> tired of taking vitamins, I just start sliding and that's when I

get

> into trouble again. Being compliant 3 times a day as directed is a

> big key. I'm back on track now. One of his supplements is for

> detoxing heavy metals. Of course, it takes time. 3 years ago at

> Mayo Clinic the arsenic was off the charts. They were puzzled. At

> Issels, my metals level were very, very low after being on Dr.

> Vickery's Platimun Plus for a 9 months.

>

> A couple of weeks ago I started taking chiropractic treatments. I

> had 2 treatments, and had the most painful flare-up I've ever had.

> Dibilitating pain. I was eating Darvocet, muscle-relaxers, heating

> pad, hot baths, muscle rugs, crying (which doesn't help, LOL),

etc.

> I talking to Dr. Vickery today and asked why that happened, and he

> said that I probably had blocked lymph system and the adjustments

> unblocked them, dumped toxins into my body and caused all the

pain.

> He said for me to stand in a doorway. About a foot behind it with

> arms on facing and gently lean forward. This would be a modified

> pushup. Do this several times a day 10 times. Then slowly build

> up. This will help dump out the lumph system of toxins.

>

> Has anyone found anything else to do that is helpful? Oh, the best

> muscle rub I have found is at WalMart. It is the Equate brand,

just

> called " Muscle Rub. "

>

> Also, the Dollar Tree has some stuff called " Ice " that is helpful

> with pain and doesn't have as strong of odor as Wally's, and only a

> dollar a jar.

>

> Thanks, Carolyn

[Guest guest]

First I want to welcome you Carolyn,

I am Vicki the VP around these parts. I am living in upper

wisconsin. Have been a fibromite for nearly 2 years, but have had it

for longer. Finding a cure for the uncurable is nearly impossiable. I

wish there was a cure I could suggest or a miricle that someone has

found but there isnt.

But please dont become discouraged. There will be someday and when

it is found this painful disease will finally go away. Finally free

the thousands of us that have been taken over by this monster, I have

found that threw the time I have been with this group I have learned

that for one person's pain there is always one person with a new idea

to help them with it. We all here have the same disease and each and

everyone of us treats it differently, from the meds we take the the

herbal remidies. Please feel free to ask each of us what we do. And

you might find just one that will help you with yours.

Love and Prayers

Vicki/ Group VP

> Hi, I'm Carolyn, 56, live near Dallas, fibromyalgia diagnosed 6

years

> ago, although symptoms for many years. Also fatigue. In bed for a

> year; only out of bed for about 6 months. On SS Disability since

> 2000. Also have restless leg syndrome, periodic limb movement

> disorder, Epstein-Barr Virus, test positive sometimes and negative

> sometimes for Lupus.

>

> Have been to Mayo Clinic sdale, no help. Also a friend of

mine

> just returned from Mayo Clinic Minn. No real help. Just changed

her

> perscription medications around. No cure. Just more expense for

> drugs. She's on disability also.

>

> Conventional doctors can't do anything except give meds for the

> symptoms. I am looking for a CURE! I also can't continue having a

> $600 plus medication bill every month. That is almost as much as

my

> disability check.

>

> I have been to the Issels Clinic in sdale last fall. They

> helped some. I stayed 3 weeks. Among the things they did was

> Vitamin C IV's every day, massage therapy, vitamin regime, diet,

sent

> me to a holistic dentist who removed all amalgam fillings (8),

> colonics, juices daily, several detox things, detox drinks for

heavy

> metals. Tests found arcenic, tin, silver amalgams (thate's not

what

> it's called, but I can't think of it now) and constant water intake

> especially during IV's, Vit. B-12 shots, etc. They didn't take

> insurance or Medicare. Because I had to stay in hotel and rent

car,

> etc., cost of Clinic and everything was $16,000.

>

> I came home better, but not great. As the months have passed, I

seem

> to be getting worse.

>

> Found out about Fibromyalgia Fatigue Centers online. 3 locations,

> started in California. Now in Dallas and ???? maybe Atlanta. Say

> the have been " successful " with 6,000 cases. I am having dialog

with

> them now. Haven't made a decision. Do not take any insurance or

> Medicare either. I havne't found out the cost yet. I don't know

> what their definition of " successful " is. Has anyone been to any of

> these clinics?

>

> One thing that has helped me is Dr. Vickery's Fibromyalgia vitamin

> package. The first three months, it cost $155/mo. Later, it's

less

> for maintenance. www.fibromyalgiacure.com But this hasn't cured

> me yet, but I am having ongoing email and phone conversations with

> Dr. Vickery, which is free and very helpful. Sometimes I get so

> tired of taking vitamins, I just start sliding and that's when I

get

> into trouble again. Being compliant 3 times a day as directed is a

> big key. I'm back on track now. One of his supplements is for

> detoxing heavy metals. Of course, it takes time. 3 years ago at

> Mayo Clinic the arsenic was off the charts. They were puzzled. At

> Issels, my metals level were very, very low after being on Dr.

> Vickery's Platimun Plus for a 9 months.

>

> A couple of weeks ago I started taking chiropractic treatments. I

> had 2 treatments, and had the most painful flare-up I've ever had.

> Dibilitating pain. I was eating Darvocet, muscle-relaxers, heating

> pad, hot baths, muscle rugs, crying (which doesn't help, LOL),

etc.

> I talking to Dr. Vickery today and asked why that happened, and he

> said that I probably had blocked lymph system and the adjustments

> unblocked them, dumped toxins into my body and caused all the

pain.

> He said for me to stand in a doorway. About a foot behind it with

> arms on facing and gently lean forward. This would be a modified

> pushup. Do this several times a day 10 times. Then slowly build

> up. This will help dump out the lumph system of toxins.

>

> Has anyone found anything else to do that is helpful? Oh, the best

> muscle rub I have found is at WalMart. It is the Equate brand,

just

> called " Muscle Rub. "

>

> Also, the Dollar Tree has some stuff called " Ice " that is helpful

> with pain and doesn't have as strong of odor as Wally's, and only a

> dollar a jar.

>

> Thanks, Carolyn

[Guest guest]

---Thank you Vicki for the welcome!

You see, I don't believe that there's no cure for FM......I feel that

I just haven't found it yet. I am in one group that talks

about " feel good " places and the monitor went all over the world

practically to find a place that he felt good. He doesn't know

exactly WHY he feels well in Cuba, but he does.

Also he feels better near the Equator. He says that 98% of his

symptoms have vanished in Cuba. Now, it's not practical for everyone

to travel the world to find a place they feel good, but this alone

tells me that what we all have is environmental, or there would be no

place on earth that would change how we feel.

Some in that group have experienced mold as being the culprit, others

barametric changes, etc. So, I do not intend to stop researching

until I find a CURE! I believe that God made everything that man

needs in this world, but it's up to each of us to find it.

I take lots of percription meds now, but they are not the answer.

They in fact may be exacerbating the problems. They all have

terrible side effects. But, I have no choice that I can see now to

discontinue them as yet.

I leave no leaf unturned. I just called Dr. Hansen's phone number

and left my phone number for him to call. I can't take a chance that

he does NOT have the magic bullet.

I know that all of you are depressed, as I am too, but I have found

that it helps me so much to do research and learn as much as I can to

help fight this terrible dibilitating, painful disease, or syndrome

they call it.

I get down.....alot.....but being proactive in research keeps my mind

off of my problems and pain and it makes me feel better about myself

to be doing something rather than just whining, which I've done a lot

of certainly.

I have hope. And I want to instill in all of you that there is hope

somewhere. Finding it is the obstacle. I think of it as looking for

a needle in a haystack. I'm trying to make a game out of how much I

can learn.

Dash, you have a lot of hours in research I see. What exactly is

your protocol? There is so much information that you have, I

wouldn't know where or how to get started.

As you can tell by my postings, I have my own opinions, and I

certainly never intend to step on anyones toes, and if I do, I want

to profoundly apologize. thanks, carolyn b

In Fibromyalgia_Support_Group , " unicorn_vicki2 "

<unicorn_vicki2@y...> wrote:

> First I want to welcome you Carolyn,

> I am Vicki the VP around these parts. I am living in upper

> wisconsin. Have been a fibromite for nearly 2 years, but have had

it

> for longer. Finding a cure for the uncurable is nearly impossiable.

I

> wish there was a cure I could suggest or a miricle that someone has

> found but there isnt.

> But please dont become discouraged. There will be someday and

when

> it is found this painful disease will finally go away. Finally free

> the thousands of us that have been taken over by this monster, I

have

> found that threw the time I have been with this group I have

learned

> that for one person's pain there is always one person with a new

idea

> to help them with it. We all here have the same disease and each

and

> everyone of us treats it differently, from the meds we take the the

> herbal remidies. Please feel free to ask each of us what we do. And

> you might find just one that will help you with yours.

>

> Love and Prayers

> Vicki/ Group VP

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hi, I'm Carolyn, 56, live near Dallas, fibromyalgia diagnosed 6

> years

> > ago, although symptoms for many years. Also fatigue. In bed for

a

> > year; only out of bed for about 6 months. On SS Disability since

> > 2000. Also have restless leg syndrome, periodic limb movement

> > disorder, Epstein-Barr Virus, test positive sometimes and

negative

> > sometimes for Lupus.

> >

> > Have been to Mayo Clinic sdale, no help. Also a friend of

> mine

> > just returned from Mayo Clinic Minn. No real help. Just changed

> her

> > perscription medications around. No cure. Just more expense for

> > drugs. She's on disability also.

> >

> > Conventional doctors can't do anything except give meds for the

> > symptoms. I am looking for a CURE! I also can't continue having

a

> > $600 plus medication bill every month. That is almost as much as

> my

> > disability check.

> >

> > I have been to the Issels Clinic in sdale last fall. They

> > helped some. I stayed 3 weeks. Among the things they did was

> > Vitamin C IV's every day, massage therapy, vitamin regime, diet,

> sent

> > me to a holistic dentist who removed all amalgam fillings (8),

> > colonics, juices daily, several detox things, detox drinks for

> heavy

> > metals. Tests found arcenic, tin, silver amalgams (thate's not

> what

> > it's called, but I can't think of it now) and constant water

intake

> > especially during IV's, Vit. B-12 shots, etc. They didn't take

> > insurance or Medicare. Because I had to stay in hotel and rent

> car,

> > etc., cost of Clinic and everything was $16,000.

> >

> > I came home better, but not great. As the months have passed, I

> seem

> > to be getting worse.

> >

> > Found out about Fibromyalgia Fatigue Centers online. 3

locations,

> > started in California. Now in Dallas and ???? maybe Atlanta.

Say

> > the have been " successful " with 6,000 cases. I am having dialog

> with

> > them now. Haven't made a decision. Do not take any insurance or

> > Medicare either. I havne't found out the cost yet. I don't know

> > what their definition of " successful " is. Has anyone been to any

of

> > these clinics?

> >

> > One thing that has helped me is Dr. Vickery's Fibromyalgia

vitamin

> > package. The first three months, it cost $155/mo. Later, it's

> less

> > for maintenance. www.fibromyalgiacure.com But this hasn't

cured

> > me yet, but I am having ongoing email and phone conversations

with

> > Dr. Vickery, which is free and very helpful. Sometimes I get so

> > tired of taking vitamins, I just start sliding and that's when I

> get

> > into trouble again. Being compliant 3 times a day as directed is

a

> > big key. I'm back on track now. One of his supplements is for

> > detoxing heavy metals. Of course, it takes time. 3 years ago at

> > Mayo Clinic the arsenic was off the charts. They were puzzled.

At

> > Issels, my metals level were very, very low after being on Dr.

> > Vickery's Platimun Plus for a 9 months.

> >

> > A couple of weeks ago I started taking chiropractic treatments.

I

> > had 2 treatments, and had the most painful flare-up I've ever

had.

> > Dibilitating pain. I was eating Darvocet, muscle-relaxers,

heating

> > pad, hot baths, muscle rugs, crying (which doesn't help, LOL),

> etc.

> > I talking to Dr. Vickery today and asked why that happened, and

he

> > said that I probably had blocked lymph system and the adjustments

> > unblocked them, dumped toxins into my body and caused all the

> pain.

> > He said for me to stand in a doorway. About a foot behind it

with

> > arms on facing and gently lean forward. This would be a modified

> > pushup. Do this several times a day 10 times. Then slowly build

> > up. This will help dump out the lumph system of toxins.

> >

> > Has anyone found anything else to do that is helpful? Oh, the

best

> > muscle rub I have found is at WalMart. It is the Equate brand,

> just

> > called " Muscle Rub. "

> >

> > Also, the Dollar Tree has some stuff called " Ice " that is helpful

> > with pain and doesn't have as strong of odor as Wally's, and only

a

> > dollar a jar.

> >

> > Thanks, Carolyn

[Guest guest]

Hi vicky... no protocol.......just searching... I know some of the causes of my

FM.... body trauma.... cell memory. The PT said I have " good cell memory " . MY

pain is from a birth defect, and several different traumas to the body..... and

cell memory..

I stayed home yesterday, enjoyed my solitude .....did not push myself......and

was virtually pain free..... unusual in my world. I think stress is a lot of

my problem.... and today the lack of it.....allowed my body to relax.

I am in Wisconsin also. dash

Re: New Member looking for information

---Thank you Vicki for the welcome!

You see, I don't believe that there's no cure for FM......I feel that

I just haven't found it yet. I am in one group that talks

about " feel good " places and the monitor went all over the world

practically to find a place that he felt good. He doesn't know

exactly WHY he feels well in Cuba, but he does.

Also he feels better near the Equator. He says that 98% of his

symptoms have vanished in Cuba. Now, it's not practical for everyone

to travel the world to find a place they feel good, but this alone

tells me that what we all have is environmental, or there would be no

place on earth that would change how we feel.

Some in that group have experienced mold as being the culprit, others

barametric changes, etc. So, I do not intend to stop researching

until I find a CURE! I believe that God made everything that man

needs in this world, but it's up to each of us to find it.

I take lots of percription meds now, but they are not the answer.

They in fact may be exacerbating the problems. They all have

terrible side effects. But, I have no choice that I can see now to

discontinue them as yet.

I leave no leaf unturned. I just called Dr. Hansen's phone number

and left my phone number for him to call. I can't take a chance that

he does NOT have the magic bullet.

I know that all of you are depressed, as I am too, but I have found

that it helps me so much to do research and learn as much as I can to

help fight this terrible dibilitating, painful disease, or syndrome

they call it.

I get down.....alot.....but being proactive in research keeps my mind

off of my problems and pain and it makes me feel better about myself

to be doing something rather than just whining, which I've done a lot

of certainly.

I have hope. And I want to instill in all of you that there is hope

somewhere. Finding it is the obstacle. I think of it as looking for

a needle in a haystack. I'm trying to make a game out of how much I

can learn.

Dash, you have a lot of hours in research I see. What exactly is

your protocol? There is so much information that you have, I

wouldn't know where or how to get started.

As you can tell by my postings, I have my own opinions, and I

certainly never intend to step on anyones toes, and if I do, I want

to profoundly apologize. thanks, carolyn b

In Fibromyalgia_Support_Group , " unicorn_vicki2 "

<unicorn_vicki2@y...> wrote:

> First I want to welcome you Carolyn,

> I am Vicki the VP around these parts. I am living in upper

> wisconsin. Have been a fibromite for nearly 2 years, but have had

it

> for longer. Finding a cure for the uncurable is nearly impossiable.

I

> wish there was a cure I could suggest or a miricle that someone has

> found but there isnt.

> But please dont become discouraged. There will be someday and

when

> it is found this painful disease will finally go away. Finally free

> the thousands of us that have been taken over by this monster, I

have

> found that threw the time I have been with this group I have

learned

> that for one person's pain there is always one person with a new

idea

> to help them with it. We all here have the same disease and each

and

> everyone of us treats it differently, from the meds we take the the

> herbal remidies. Please feel free to ask each of us what we do. And

> you might find just one that will help you with yours.

>

> Love and Prayers

> Vicki/ Group VP

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hi, I'm Carolyn, 56, live near Dallas, fibromyalgia diagnosed 6

> years

> > ago, although symptoms for many years. Also fatigue. In bed for

a

> > year; only out of bed for about 6 months. On SS Disability since

> > 2000. Also have restless leg syndrome, periodic limb movement

> > disorder, Epstein-Barr Virus, test positive sometimes and

negative

> > sometimes for Lupus.

> >

> > Have been to Mayo Clinic sdale, no help. Also a friend of

> mine

> > just returned from Mayo Clinic Minn. No real help. Just changed

> her

> > perscription medications around. No cure. Just more expense for

> > drugs. She's on disability also.

> >

> > Conventional doctors can't do anything except give meds for the

> > symptoms. I am looking for a CURE! I also can't continue having

a

> > $600 plus medication bill every month. That is almost as much as

> my

> > disability check.

> >

> > I have been to the Issels Clinic in sdale last fall. They

> > helped some. I stayed 3 weeks. Among the things they did was

> > Vitamin C IV's every day, massage therapy, vitamin regime, diet,

> sent

> > me to a holistic dentist who removed all amalgam fillings (8),

> > colonics, juices daily, several detox things, detox drinks for

> heavy

> > metals. Tests found arcenic, tin, silver amalgams (thate's not

> what

> > it's called, but I can't think of it now) and constant water

intake

> > especially during IV's, Vit. B-12 shots, etc. They didn't take

> > insurance or Medicare. Because I had to stay in hotel and rent

> car,

> > etc., cost of Clinic and everything was $16,000.

> >

> > I came home better, but not great. As the months have passed, I

> seem

> > to be getting worse.

> >

> > Found out about Fibromyalgia Fatigue Centers online. 3

locations,

> > started in California. Now in Dallas and ???? maybe Atlanta.

Say

> > the have been " successful " with 6,000 cases. I am having dialog

> with

> > them now. Haven't made a decision. Do not take any insurance or

> > Medicare either. I havne't found out the cost yet. I don't know

> > what their definition of " successful " is. Has anyone been to any

of

> > these clinics?

> >

> > One thing that has helped me is Dr. Vickery's Fibromyalgia

vitamin

> > package. The first three months, it cost $155/mo. Later, it's

> less

> > for maintenance. www.fibromyalgiacure.com But this hasn't

cured

> > me yet, but I am having ongoing email and phone conversations

with

> > Dr. Vickery, which is free and very helpful. Sometimes I get so

> > tired of taking vitamins, I just start sliding and that's when I

> get

> > into trouble again. Being compliant 3 times a day as directed is

a

> > big key. I'm back on track now. One of his supplements is for

> > detoxing heavy metals. Of course, it takes time. 3 years ago at

> > Mayo Clinic the arsenic was off the charts. They were puzzled.

At

> > Issels, my metals level were very, very low after being on Dr.

> > Vickery's Platimun Plus for a 9 months.

> >

> > A couple of weeks ago I started taking chiropractic treatments.

I

> > had 2 treatments, and had the most painful flare-up I've ever

had.

> > Dibilitating pain. I was eating Darvocet, muscle-relaxers,

heating

> > pad, hot baths, muscle rugs, crying (which doesn't help, LOL),

> etc.

> > I talking to Dr. Vickery today and asked why that happened, and

he

> > said that I probably had blocked lymph system and the adjustments

> > unblocked them, dumped toxins into my body and caused all the

> pain.

> > He said for me to stand in a doorway. About a foot behind it

with

> > arms on facing and gently lean forward. This would be a modified

> > pushup. Do this several times a day 10 times. Then slowly build

> > up. This will help dump out the lumph system of toxins.

> >

> > Has anyone found anything else to do that is helpful? Oh, the

best

> > muscle rub I have found is at WalMart. It is the Equate brand,

> just

> > called " Muscle Rub. "

> >

> > Also, the Dollar Tree has some stuff called " Ice " that is helpful

> > with pain and doesn't have as strong of odor as Wally's, and only

a

> > dollar a jar.

> >

> > Thanks, Carolyn

[Guest guest]

Thanks for a very very interesting post. I am thinking that you have helped me

in discovering some of my problems and understanding them. ..... and for the

rubs tips.

I got seriously worse going to my chirpractor... this time....and as I was in PT

got much worse.... maybe moving out toxins..... hmmmmm not getting fillings out.

too expensive and it doesnt' sound like the answer...

thanks for sharing. dash

New Member looking for information

Hi, I'm Carolyn, 56, live near Dallas, fibromyalgia diagnosed 6 years

ago, although symptoms for many years. Also fatigue. In bed for a

year; only out of bed for about 6 months. On SS Disability since

2000. Also have restless leg syndrome, periodic limb movement

disorder, Epstein-Barr Virus, test positive sometimes and negative

sometimes for Lupus.

Have been to Mayo Clinic sdale, no help. Also a friend of mine

just returned from Mayo Clinic Minn. No real help. Just changed her

perscription medications around. No cure. Just more expense for

drugs. She's on disability also.

Conventional doctors can't do anything except give meds for the

symptoms. I am looking for a CURE! I also can't continue having a

$600 plus medication bill every month. That is almost as much as my

disability check.

I have been to the Issels Clinic in sdale last fall. They

helped some. I stayed 3 weeks. Among the things they did was

Vitamin C IV's every day, massage therapy, vitamin regime, diet, sent

me to a holistic dentist who removed all amalgam fillings (8),

colonics, juices daily, several detox things, detox drinks for heavy

metals. Tests found arcenic, tin, silver amalgams (thate's not what

it's called, but I can't think of it now) and constant water intake

especially during IV's, Vit. B-12 shots, etc. They didn't take

insurance or Medicare. Because I had to stay in hotel and rent car,

etc., cost of Clinic and everything was $16,000.

I came home better, but not great. As the months have passed, I seem

to be getting worse.

Found out about Fibromyalgia Fatigue Centers online. 3 locations,

started in California. Now in Dallas and ???? maybe Atlanta. Say

the have been " successful " with 6,000 cases. I am having dialog with

them now. Haven't made a decision. Do not take any insurance or

Medicare either. I havne't found out the cost yet. I don't know

what their definition of " successful " is. Has anyone been to any of

these clinics?

One thing that has helped me is Dr. Vickery's Fibromyalgia vitamin

package. The first three months, it cost $155/mo. Later, it's less

for maintenance. www.fibromyalgiacure.com But this hasn't cured

me yet, but I am having ongoing email and phone conversations with

Dr. Vickery, which is free and very helpful. Sometimes I get so

tired of taking vitamins, I just start sliding and that's when I get

into trouble again. Being compliant 3 times a day as directed is a

big key. I'm back on track now. One of his supplements is for

detoxing heavy metals. Of course, it takes time. 3 years ago at

Mayo Clinic the arsenic was off the charts. They were puzzled. At

Issels, my metals level were very, very low after being on Dr.

Vickery's Platimun Plus for a 9 months.

A couple of weeks ago I started taking chiropractic treatments. I

had 2 treatments, and had the most painful flare-up I've ever had.

Dibilitating pain. I was eating Darvocet, muscle-relaxers, heating

pad, hot baths, muscle rugs, crying (which doesn't help, LOL), etc.

I talking to Dr. Vickery today and asked why that happened, and he

said that I probably had blocked lymph system and the adjustments

unblocked them, dumped toxins into my body and caused all the pain.

He said for me to stand in a doorway. About a foot behind it with

arms on facing and gently lean forward. This would be a modified

pushup. Do this several times a day 10 times. Then slowly build

up. This will help dump out the lumph system of toxins.

Has anyone found anything else to do that is helpful? Oh, the best

muscle rub I have found is at WalMart. It is the Equate brand, just

called " Muscle Rub. "

Also, the Dollar Tree has some stuff called " Ice " that is helpful

with pain and doesn't have as strong of odor as Wally's, and only a

dollar a jar.

Thanks, Carolyn