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I believe there is already scientific evidence that the Bland diet does not

work.

The soft diet replaced the bland diet. From what I remember, many of the food

items that were excluded on the bland diet were found to not be irritating. It

came down to being a problem that had to be resolved, for some patients, by

trial and error. If they found that some foods allowed on the Soft diet

bothered them, than they shouldn't eat it. Broccoli that wasn't allowed on the

Bland Diet was found not to cause problems for ulcer patients. However, certain

spices were found to cause some patients a problem. The last time I had to

explain to a physician why we give leaf lettuce on a soft diet has been a few

years now. So, I think docs are used to this now.

When I started some 35 years ago, or so, we had a diet called the Sippy Diet.

(If you remember that diet like I do, then you are showing your age, as I am.)

It was designed by a doctor for ulcer patients. There was a progression of 21

days of food, if I remember right. It started with cream. The cream was to be

given every hour or so for so many hours. Advanced to boiled eggs, then I

forget what else. Wish I had a copy of that diet. Every day, another food item

was added, such as bananas or boiled chicken. Basically, they found it was

not based on scientfic fact and it was discontinued. Ulcers were found to be

caused by bacteria and medication resolved most of the issues with ulcers. The

soft diet may be ordered initially and patients graduated to a regular diet at

home as their ulcer symptoms resolve. Actually, I don't remember the last time

I had to give a diet instruction to an ulcer patient.

In my opinion, don't think we could do studies on the clear liquid or full

liquid diets. They do not meet nutritional needs of anyone, and are just used

as a transition diets from say surgery to a soft diet. We would have to do the

studies on patients, and I don't think it would be ethical. We can't do double

blind studies on the clear and full for a period of time as it would detrimental

to the patients recovery. Other than that, probably experience by physicians

and surgeons are why these are still in effect. They don't want to feed, for

example, some surgery patients heavy meals right away. It depencds on the

type of surgery.

The no nuts, no seeds for diverticulitis can be resolved by asking patients that

have had a bout with diverticultis what they ate before the attack. I'm not

sure if seeds are really a factor though. However, I have had problems with

diverticulitis and I know that if I get carried away with too many nuts and/or

do not chew well, I can have an attack of diverticultis.

I'm sure that someone else may have more information or a different opinion to

offer on this topic. Actually, I think this was an excellent question.

Joan M. Quillian, M.S., R.D., L.D.

Saipan

curiosity question

Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we have double

blind studies on the following diets:

Bland

Clear Liquids

Full Liquids

Low residue

No nuts, seeds

I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... However,

most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated from diet a, b, c over

a series of weeks. Most of the studies have not been in controlled environment.

Meaning it could be other factors influencing their success/failure.

Epidemiological studies only come up with common factors.

If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with them? Was

it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just someone's brainstorm? We

accept these as appropriate " treatment " , but do we have the research? Just

curious. Research is not my forte'.

Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N

Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master

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I believe there is already scientific evidence that the Bland diet does not

work.

The soft diet replaced the bland diet. From what I remember, many of the food

items that were excluded on the bland diet were found to not be irritating. It

came down to being a problem that had to be resolved, for some patients, by

trial and error. If they found that some foods allowed on the Soft diet

bothered them, than they shouldn't eat it. Broccoli that wasn't allowed on the

Bland Diet was found not to cause problems for ulcer patients. However, certain

spices were found to cause some patients a problem. The last time I had to

explain to a physician why we give leaf lettuce on a soft diet has been a few

years now. So, I think docs are used to this now.

When I started some 35 years ago, or so, we had a diet called the Sippy Diet.

(If you remember that diet like I do, then you are showing your age, as I am.)

It was designed by a doctor for ulcer patients. There was a progression of 21

days of food, if I remember right. It started with cream. The cream was to be

given every hour or so for so many hours. Advanced to boiled eggs, then I

forget what else. Wish I had a copy of that diet. Every day, another food item

was added, such as bananas or boiled chicken. Basically, they found it was

not based on scientfic fact and it was discontinued. Ulcers were found to be

caused by bacteria and medication resolved most of the issues with ulcers. The

soft diet may be ordered initially and patients graduated to a regular diet at

home as their ulcer symptoms resolve. Actually, I don't remember the last time

I had to give a diet instruction to an ulcer patient.

In my opinion, don't think we could do studies on the clear liquid or full

liquid diets. They do not meet nutritional needs of anyone, and are just used

as a transition diets from say surgery to a soft diet. We would have to do the

studies on patients, and I don't think it would be ethical. We can't do double

blind studies on the clear and full for a period of time as it would detrimental

to the patients recovery. Other than that, probably experience by physicians

and surgeons are why these are still in effect. They don't want to feed, for

example, some surgery patients heavy meals right away. It depencds on the

type of surgery.

The no nuts, no seeds for diverticulitis can be resolved by asking patients that

have had a bout with diverticultis what they ate before the attack. I'm not

sure if seeds are really a factor though. However, I have had problems with

diverticulitis and I know that if I get carried away with too many nuts and/or

do not chew well, I can have an attack of diverticultis.

I'm sure that someone else may have more information or a different opinion to

offer on this topic. Actually, I think this was an excellent question.

Joan M. Quillian, M.S., R.D., L.D.

Saipan

curiosity question

Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we have double

blind studies on the following diets:

Bland

Clear Liquids

Full Liquids

Low residue

No nuts, seeds

I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... However,

most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated from diet a, b, c over

a series of weeks. Most of the studies have not been in controlled environment.

Meaning it could be other factors influencing their success/failure.

Epidemiological studies only come up with common factors.

If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with them? Was

it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just someone's brainstorm? We

accept these as appropriate " treatment " , but do we have the research? Just

curious. Research is not my forte'.

Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N

Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master

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I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable exchanges

with the diabetic diet. Dates me too.

Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA

Food & Nutrition Care Consultant

PO Box 204175

Augusta, Georgia 30917

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My only comment is to express relief that there's one other RD who remembers the

Sippy diet. Now I challenge you, Susie, do you remember " butterballs " (not the

turkeys) and what they were used for?

Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are

doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

curiosity question

Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we have double

blind studies on the following diets:

Bland

Clear Liquids

Full Liquids

Low residue

No nuts, seeds

I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... However,

most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated from diet a, b, c over

a series of weeks. Most of the studies have not been in controlled environment.

Meaning it could be other factors influencing their success/failure.

Epidemiological studies only come up with common factors.

If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with them? Was

it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just someone's brainstorm? We

accept these as appropriate " treatment " , but do we have the research? Just

curious. Research is not my forte'.

Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N

Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master

www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health.

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Digna,

Not only do I recall the use of butterballs (not the turkey), but can

almost recall the recipe we'd give to patients to concoct them. We'd

get some interesting looks from patients. My students sometimes think

I'm from Mars when I tell them the things we did!

I remember sippy diets. I also remember when TPN was referred to as

" Dudrick's Solution " (named for Stan Dudrick, one of the pioneers in

the field).

Pam Charney PhD, RD, CNSD

Lecturer, Nutrition Sciences

Dept of Epidemiology

School of Public Health and Community Medicine

305-B Raitt Hall

Affiliate Associate Professor

School of Pharmacy

University of Washington

Seattle, WA

> My only comment is to express relief that there's one other RD who

> remembers the Sippy diet. Now I challenge you, Susie, do you

> remember " butterballs " (not the turkeys) and what they were used for?

>

> Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

> http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

> Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly

> you are doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

>

> curiosity question

>

> Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we

> have double blind studies on the following diets:

> Bland

> Clear Liquids

> Full Liquids

> Low residue

> No nuts, seeds

> I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc...

> However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated

> from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have

> not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other

> factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies

> only come up with common factors.

>

> If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with

> them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just

> someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " ,

> but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'.

>

> Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master

> www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health.

> 1-

>

>

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Oh, GOOD! There's more of us left in hte work force than I ever thought.

Butterballs was one of my therapeutic diets kitchen jobs during my internship.

I always marvel at how far we've advanced in what seems like such a few years...

or maybe time does fly.

curiosity question

>

> Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we

> have double blind studies on the following diets:

> Bland

> Clear Liquids

> Full Liquids

> Low residue

> No nuts, seeds

> I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc...

> However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated

> from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have

> not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other

> factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies

> only come up with common factors.

>

> If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with

> them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just

> someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " ,

> but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'.

>

> Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master

> www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health.

> 1-

>

>

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Oh, GOOD! There's more of us left in hte work force than I ever thought.

Butterballs was one of my therapeutic diets kitchen jobs during my internship.

I always marvel at how far we've advanced in what seems like such a few years...

or maybe time does fly.

curiosity question

>

> Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we

> have double blind studies on the following diets:

> Bland

> Clear Liquids

> Full Liquids

> Low residue

> No nuts, seeds

> I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc...

> However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated

> from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have

> not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other

> factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies

> only come up with common factors.

>

> If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with

> them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just

> someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " ,

> but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'.

>

> Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master

> www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health.

> 1-

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I guess I am showing my age but what is Butterballs and the sippy diet??

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Oh, GOOD! There's more of us left in hte work force than I ever thought.

Butterballs was one of my therapeutic diets kitchen jobs during my internship. I

always marvel at how far we've advanced in what seems like such a few years...

or maybe time does fly.

curiosity question

>

> Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we

> have double blind studies on the following diets:

> Bland

> Clear Liquids

> Full Liquids

> Low residue

> No nuts, seeds

> I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc...

> However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated

> from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have

> not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other

> factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies

> only come up with common factors.

>

> If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with

> them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just

> someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " ,

> but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'.

>

> Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master

> www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health.

> 1-

>

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I guess I am showing my age but what is Butterballs and the sippy diet??

Re: curiosity question

Oh, GOOD! There's more of us left in hte work force than I ever thought.

Butterballs was one of my therapeutic diets kitchen jobs during my internship. I

always marvel at how far we've advanced in what seems like such a few years...

or maybe time does fly.

curiosity question

>

> Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we

> have double blind studies on the following diets:

> Bland

> Clear Liquids

> Full Liquids

> Low residue

> No nuts, seeds

> I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc...

> However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated

> from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have

> not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other

> factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies

> only come up with common factors.

>

> If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with

> them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just

> someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " ,

> but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'.

>

> Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master

> www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health.

> 1-

>

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Phew! I am not alone!!!

Re: curiosity question

I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable exchanges

with the diabetic diet. Dates me too.

Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA

Food & Nutrition Care Consultant

PO Box 204175

Augusta, Georgia 30917

**************************************See AOL's top rated recipes

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Phew! I am not alone!!!

Re: curiosity question

I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable exchanges

with the diabetic diet. Dates me too.

Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA

Food & Nutrition Care Consultant

PO Box 204175

Augusta, Georgia 30917

**************************************See AOL's top rated recipes

(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

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We don't mind answering younger RDs. Many times I count on their state-of-the

art knowlege : ) .

A butterball diet was used back when I was in my internship - the 60s - to feed

patients w acute or chronic kidney disease. It was a way of maintaining caloric

intake w low protein. Of course, the butter (or margarine, actually) was

unsalted. The Sippy diet was a diet for bleeding ulcers, prescribed by MD and

only in the hospital. It was a progressive diet that ended with a bland diet -

as I recall there were 1, 2 & 3 - starting with half & half, and adding other

liquids, then solids, all milky and soft, slowly. Quite an awful diet to be on,

and it ended up it treated nothing, really.

Digna

curiosity question

>

> Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we

> have double blind studies on the following diets:

> Bland

> Clear Liquids

> Full Liquids

> Low residue

> No nuts, seeds

> I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc...

> However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated

> from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have

> not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other

> factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies

> only come up with common factors.

>

> If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with

> them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just

> someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " ,

> but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'.

>

> Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master

> www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health.

> 1-

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We don't mind answering younger RDs. Many times I count on their state-of-the

art knowlege : ) .

A butterball diet was used back when I was in my internship - the 60s - to feed

patients w acute or chronic kidney disease. It was a way of maintaining caloric

intake w low protein. Of course, the butter (or margarine, actually) was

unsalted. The Sippy diet was a diet for bleeding ulcers, prescribed by MD and

only in the hospital. It was a progressive diet that ended with a bland diet -

as I recall there were 1, 2 & 3 - starting with half & half, and adding other

liquids, then solids, all milky and soft, slowly. Quite an awful diet to be on,

and it ended up it treated nothing, really.

Digna

curiosity question

>

> Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we

> have double blind studies on the following diets:

> Bland

> Clear Liquids

> Full Liquids

> Low residue

> No nuts, seeds

> I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc...

> However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated

> from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have

> not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other

> factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies

> only come up with common factors.

>

> If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with

> them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just

> someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " ,

> but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'.

>

> Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master

> www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health.

> 1-

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OK, how many of you who remember that stuff are from Ia? Kistler

Scheer MSRDLD

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:19:46 EST ngwaltrdld@... writes:

> I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable

> exchanges

> with the diabetic diet. Dates me too.

>

>

>

>

> Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA

> Food & Nutrition Care Consultant

> PO Box 204175

> Augusta, Georgia 30917

>

>

>

> **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes

> (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

>

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OK, how many of you who remember that stuff are from Ia? Kistler

Scheer MSRDLD

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:19:46 EST ngwaltrdld@... writes:

> I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable

> exchanges

> with the diabetic diet. Dates me too.

>

>

>

>

> Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA

> Food & Nutrition Care Consultant

> PO Box 204175

> Augusta, Georgia 30917

>

>

>

> **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes

> (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

>

>

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Do you mean the Iowa State Diet Manual? I had a copy of the red one until not

too long ago when my garage flooded. I may still even have another color. I

used to love that manual.

And since we're into the how may remember ... how many of you have made tube

feedings using a blender and strainer? I can almost quote the recipe.

Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are

doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

Re: curiosity question

OK, how many of you who remember that stuff are from Ia? Kistler

Scheer MSRDLD

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:19:46 EST ngwaltrdld@... writes:

> I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable

> exchanges

> with the diabetic diet. Dates me too.

>

>

>

>

> Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA

> Food & Nutrition Care Consultant

> PO Box 204175

> Augusta, Georgia 30917

>

>

>

> **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes

> (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

>

>

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Do you mean the Iowa State Diet Manual? I had a copy of the red one until not

too long ago when my garage flooded. I may still even have another color. I

used to love that manual.

And since we're into the how may remember ... how many of you have made tube

feedings using a blender and strainer? I can almost quote the recipe.

Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are

doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

Re: curiosity question

OK, how many of you who remember that stuff are from Ia? Kistler

Scheer MSRDLD

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:19:46 EST ngwaltrdld@... writes:

> I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable

> exchanges

> with the diabetic diet. Dates me too.

>

>

>

>

> Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA

> Food & Nutrition Care Consultant

> PO Box 204175

> Augusta, Georgia 30917

>

>

>

> **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes

> (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

>

>

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Good grief! Butter balls were used for renal diets. I believe it was balls of

butter mixed with sugar. From what I remember, we had to give a 40 or even a

20 gram protein diet, from what I remember. (Not as bad as when I was in Saudi

and we had docs that kept trying to order no protein diets!) Was a sad

attempt to get some extra calories in to patients. Even fruits and vegetables

were restricted due to counting every gram of protein. I hated renal dieTs for

over 30 years because of that initial introduction. Was forced in to working as

a renal dietitian a couple years ago. Our renal dietitian left and the

department was desperate. I love it now. Just sorry that I didn't get

another view of renal dietetics long before this. We must be the first of the

baby boomers here.

(Susie)

Joan Quillian

Saipan

curiosity question

Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we have double

blind studies on the following diets:

Bland

Clear Liquids

Full Liquids

Low residue

No nuts, seeds

I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... However,

most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated from diet a, b, c over

a series of weeks. Most of the studies have not been in controlled environment.

Meaning it could be other factors influencing their success/failure.

Epidemiological studies only come up with common factors.

If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with them? Was

it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just someone's brainstorm? We

accept these as appropriate " treatment " , but do we have the research? Just

curious. Research is not my forte'.

Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N

Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master

www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health.

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Good grief! Butter balls were used for renal diets. I believe it was balls of

butter mixed with sugar. From what I remember, we had to give a 40 or even a

20 gram protein diet, from what I remember. (Not as bad as when I was in Saudi

and we had docs that kept trying to order no protein diets!) Was a sad

attempt to get some extra calories in to patients. Even fruits and vegetables

were restricted due to counting every gram of protein. I hated renal dieTs for

over 30 years because of that initial introduction. Was forced in to working as

a renal dietitian a couple years ago. Our renal dietitian left and the

department was desperate. I love it now. Just sorry that I didn't get

another view of renal dietetics long before this. We must be the first of the

baby boomers here.

(Susie)

Joan Quillian

Saipan

curiosity question

Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we have double

blind studies on the following diets:

Bland

Clear Liquids

Full Liquids

Low residue

No nuts, seeds

I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... However,

most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated from diet a, b, c over

a series of weeks. Most of the studies have not been in controlled environment.

Meaning it could be other factors influencing their success/failure.

Epidemiological studies only come up with common factors.

If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with them? Was

it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just someone's brainstorm? We

accept these as appropriate " treatment " , but do we have the research? Just

curious. Research is not my forte'.

Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N

Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master

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curiosity question

>

> Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we

> have double blind studies on the following diets:

> Bland

> Clear Liquids

> Full Liquids

> Low residue

> No nuts, seeds

> I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc...

> However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated

> from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have

> not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other

> factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies

> only come up with common factors.

>

> If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with

> them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just

> someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " ,

> but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'.

>

> Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master

> www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health.

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>

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Time flies.

curiosity question

>

> Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we

> have double blind studies on the following diets:

> Bland

> Clear Liquids

> Full Liquids

> Low residue

> No nuts, seeds

> I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc...

> However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated

> from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have

> not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other

> factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies

> only come up with common factors.

>

> If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with

> them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just

> someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " ,

> but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'.

>

> Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master

> www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health.

> 1-

>

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I forgot al about the A and B vegetables. However, I'm still recovering from

rice and pasta going from 1/2 cup per serving to 1/3 cup.

There was also hyperlipidemia diets that were set in to four classifications

depending on what was high or low. Type 1 thru type 4. I don't remember the

name of it. I think that might have gone out of style about 20 years ago or so.

Anyone remember it?

Susie

Re: curiosity question

I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable exchanges

with the diabetic diet. Dates me too.

Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA

Food & Nutrition Care Consultant

PO Box 204175

Augusta, Georgia 30917

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I forgot al about the A and B vegetables. However, I'm still recovering from

rice and pasta going from 1/2 cup per serving to 1/3 cup.

There was also hyperlipidemia diets that were set in to four classifications

depending on what was high or low. Type 1 thru type 4. I don't remember the

name of it. I think that might have gone out of style about 20 years ago or so.

Anyone remember it?

Susie

Re: curiosity question

I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable exchanges

with the diabetic diet. Dates me too.

Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA

Food & Nutrition Care Consultant

PO Box 204175

Augusta, Georgia 30917

**************************************See AOL's top rated recipes

(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

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Oh, my goodness, yes! I worked at the NE Deaconess Hosp. We carefully

weighed out (in grams) the nutrition prescription, blended it all

together and sent it to the floors for nursing to put into the NG

tube. Meritene and other powdered type formulas were new and some

docs would order those for tube feedings.

We did lots of Convalescent Sippy Diets. Before everbody goes off.

Many of these patients would have starved without the intervention.

" Intervention " is a word we use now. Back then, it was get the food

in one way or the other. Raphaela

>

> Do you mean the Iowa State Diet Manual? I had a copy of the red one

until not too long ago when my garage flooded. I may still even have

another color. I used to love that manual.

>

> And since we're into the how may remember ... how many of you have

made tube feedings using a blender and strainer? I can almost quote

the recipe.

>

> Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

> http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

> Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly

you are doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

>

> Re: curiosity question

>

>

> OK, how many of you who remember that stuff are from Ia?

Kistler

> Scheer MSRDLD

> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:19:46 EST ngwaltrdld@... writes:

> > I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B

vegetable

> > exchanges

> > with the diabetic diet. Dates me too.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA

> > Food & Nutrition Care Consultant

> > PO Box 204175

> > Augusta, Georgia 30917

> >

> >

> >

> > **************************************See AOL's top rated

recipes

> > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?

NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

> >

> >

> >

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Oh, my goodness, yes! I worked at the NE Deaconess Hosp. We carefully

weighed out (in grams) the nutrition prescription, blended it all

together and sent it to the floors for nursing to put into the NG

tube. Meritene and other powdered type formulas were new and some

docs would order those for tube feedings.

We did lots of Convalescent Sippy Diets. Before everbody goes off.

Many of these patients would have starved without the intervention.

" Intervention " is a word we use now. Back then, it was get the food

in one way or the other. Raphaela

>

> Do you mean the Iowa State Diet Manual? I had a copy of the red one

until not too long ago when my garage flooded. I may still even have

another color. I used to love that manual.

>

> And since we're into the how may remember ... how many of you have

made tube feedings using a blender and strainer? I can almost quote

the recipe.

>

> Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

> http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

> Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly

you are doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

>

> Re: curiosity question

>

>

> OK, how many of you who remember that stuff are from Ia?

Kistler

> Scheer MSRDLD

> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:19:46 EST ngwaltrdld@... writes:

> > I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B

vegetable

> > exchanges

> > with the diabetic diet. Dates me too.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA

> > Food & Nutrition Care Consultant

> > PO Box 204175

> > Augusta, Georgia 30917

> >

> >

> >

> > **************************************See AOL's top rated

recipes

> > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?

NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

> >

> >

> >

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