Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 I believe there is already scientific evidence that the Bland diet does not work. The soft diet replaced the bland diet. From what I remember, many of the food items that were excluded on the bland diet were found to not be irritating. It came down to being a problem that had to be resolved, for some patients, by trial and error. If they found that some foods allowed on the Soft diet bothered them, than they shouldn't eat it. Broccoli that wasn't allowed on the Bland Diet was found not to cause problems for ulcer patients. However, certain spices were found to cause some patients a problem. The last time I had to explain to a physician why we give leaf lettuce on a soft diet has been a few years now. So, I think docs are used to this now. When I started some 35 years ago, or so, we had a diet called the Sippy Diet. (If you remember that diet like I do, then you are showing your age, as I am.) It was designed by a doctor for ulcer patients. There was a progression of 21 days of food, if I remember right. It started with cream. The cream was to be given every hour or so for so many hours. Advanced to boiled eggs, then I forget what else. Wish I had a copy of that diet. Every day, another food item was added, such as bananas or boiled chicken. Basically, they found it was not based on scientfic fact and it was discontinued. Ulcers were found to be caused by bacteria and medication resolved most of the issues with ulcers. The soft diet may be ordered initially and patients graduated to a regular diet at home as their ulcer symptoms resolve. Actually, I don't remember the last time I had to give a diet instruction to an ulcer patient. In my opinion, don't think we could do studies on the clear liquid or full liquid diets. They do not meet nutritional needs of anyone, and are just used as a transition diets from say surgery to a soft diet. We would have to do the studies on patients, and I don't think it would be ethical. We can't do double blind studies on the clear and full for a period of time as it would detrimental to the patients recovery. Other than that, probably experience by physicians and surgeons are why these are still in effect. They don't want to feed, for example, some surgery patients heavy meals right away. It depencds on the type of surgery. The no nuts, no seeds for diverticulitis can be resolved by asking patients that have had a bout with diverticultis what they ate before the attack. I'm not sure if seeds are really a factor though. However, I have had problems with diverticulitis and I know that if I get carried away with too many nuts and/or do not chew well, I can have an attack of diverticultis. I'm sure that someone else may have more information or a different opinion to offer on this topic. Actually, I think this was an excellent question. Joan M. Quillian, M.S., R.D., L.D. Saipan curiosity question Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we have double blind studies on the following diets: Bland Clear Liquids Full Liquids Low residue No nuts, seeds I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies only come up with common factors. If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " , but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'. Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health. 1- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 I believe there is already scientific evidence that the Bland diet does not work. The soft diet replaced the bland diet. From what I remember, many of the food items that were excluded on the bland diet were found to not be irritating. It came down to being a problem that had to be resolved, for some patients, by trial and error. If they found that some foods allowed on the Soft diet bothered them, than they shouldn't eat it. Broccoli that wasn't allowed on the Bland Diet was found not to cause problems for ulcer patients. However, certain spices were found to cause some patients a problem. The last time I had to explain to a physician why we give leaf lettuce on a soft diet has been a few years now. So, I think docs are used to this now. When I started some 35 years ago, or so, we had a diet called the Sippy Diet. (If you remember that diet like I do, then you are showing your age, as I am.) It was designed by a doctor for ulcer patients. There was a progression of 21 days of food, if I remember right. It started with cream. The cream was to be given every hour or so for so many hours. Advanced to boiled eggs, then I forget what else. Wish I had a copy of that diet. Every day, another food item was added, such as bananas or boiled chicken. Basically, they found it was not based on scientfic fact and it was discontinued. Ulcers were found to be caused by bacteria and medication resolved most of the issues with ulcers. The soft diet may be ordered initially and patients graduated to a regular diet at home as their ulcer symptoms resolve. Actually, I don't remember the last time I had to give a diet instruction to an ulcer patient. In my opinion, don't think we could do studies on the clear liquid or full liquid diets. They do not meet nutritional needs of anyone, and are just used as a transition diets from say surgery to a soft diet. We would have to do the studies on patients, and I don't think it would be ethical. We can't do double blind studies on the clear and full for a period of time as it would detrimental to the patients recovery. Other than that, probably experience by physicians and surgeons are why these are still in effect. They don't want to feed, for example, some surgery patients heavy meals right away. It depencds on the type of surgery. The no nuts, no seeds for diverticulitis can be resolved by asking patients that have had a bout with diverticultis what they ate before the attack. I'm not sure if seeds are really a factor though. However, I have had problems with diverticulitis and I know that if I get carried away with too many nuts and/or do not chew well, I can have an attack of diverticultis. I'm sure that someone else may have more information or a different opinion to offer on this topic. Actually, I think this was an excellent question. Joan M. Quillian, M.S., R.D., L.D. Saipan curiosity question Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we have double blind studies on the following diets: Bland Clear Liquids Full Liquids Low residue No nuts, seeds I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies only come up with common factors. If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " , but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'. Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health. 1- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable exchanges with the diabetic diet. Dates me too. Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA Food & Nutrition Care Consultant PO Box 204175 Augusta, Georgia 30917 **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 My only comment is to express relief that there's one other RD who remembers the Sippy diet. Now I challenge you, Susie, do you remember " butterballs " (not the turkeys) and what they were used for? Digna Cassens, MHA, RD http://groups.msn.com/RDForum Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis curiosity question Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we have double blind studies on the following diets: Bland Clear Liquids Full Liquids Low residue No nuts, seeds I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies only come up with common factors. If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " , but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'. Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health. 1- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Digna, Not only do I recall the use of butterballs (not the turkey), but can almost recall the recipe we'd give to patients to concoct them. We'd get some interesting looks from patients. My students sometimes think I'm from Mars when I tell them the things we did! I remember sippy diets. I also remember when TPN was referred to as " Dudrick's Solution " (named for Stan Dudrick, one of the pioneers in the field). Pam Charney PhD, RD, CNSD Lecturer, Nutrition Sciences Dept of Epidemiology School of Public Health and Community Medicine 305-B Raitt Hall Affiliate Associate Professor School of Pharmacy University of Washington Seattle, WA > My only comment is to express relief that there's one other RD who > remembers the Sippy diet. Now I challenge you, Susie, do you > remember " butterballs " (not the turkeys) and what they were used for? > > Digna Cassens, MHA, RD > http://groups.msn.com/RDForum > Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly > you are doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis > > curiosity question > > Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we > have double blind studies on the following diets: > Bland > Clear Liquids > Full Liquids > Low residue > No nuts, seeds > I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... > However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated > from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have > not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other > factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies > only come up with common factors. > > If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with > them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just > someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " , > but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'. > > Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N > > Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master > www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health. > 1- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Oh, GOOD! There's more of us left in hte work force than I ever thought. Butterballs was one of my therapeutic diets kitchen jobs during my internship. I always marvel at how far we've advanced in what seems like such a few years... or maybe time does fly. curiosity question > > Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we > have double blind studies on the following diets: > Bland > Clear Liquids > Full Liquids > Low residue > No nuts, seeds > I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... > However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated > from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have > not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other > factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies > only come up with common factors. > > If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with > them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just > someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " , > but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'. > > Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N > > Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master > www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health. > 1- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Oh, GOOD! There's more of us left in hte work force than I ever thought. Butterballs was one of my therapeutic diets kitchen jobs during my internship. I always marvel at how far we've advanced in what seems like such a few years... or maybe time does fly. curiosity question > > Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we > have double blind studies on the following diets: > Bland > Clear Liquids > Full Liquids > Low residue > No nuts, seeds > I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... > However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated > from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have > not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other > factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies > only come up with common factors. > > If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with > them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just > someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " , > but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'. > > Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N > > Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master > www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health. > 1- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 I guess I am showing my age but what is Butterballs and the sippy diet?? Re: curiosity question Oh, GOOD! There's more of us left in hte work force than I ever thought. Butterballs was one of my therapeutic diets kitchen jobs during my internship. I always marvel at how far we've advanced in what seems like such a few years... or maybe time does fly. curiosity question > > Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we > have double blind studies on the following diets: > Bland > Clear Liquids > Full Liquids > Low residue > No nuts, seeds > I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... > However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated > from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have > not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other > factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies > only come up with common factors. > > If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with > them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just > someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " , > but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'. > > Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N > > Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master > www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health. > 1- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 I guess I am showing my age but what is Butterballs and the sippy diet?? Re: curiosity question Oh, GOOD! There's more of us left in hte work force than I ever thought. Butterballs was one of my therapeutic diets kitchen jobs during my internship. I always marvel at how far we've advanced in what seems like such a few years... or maybe time does fly. curiosity question > > Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we > have double blind studies on the following diets: > Bland > Clear Liquids > Full Liquids > Low residue > No nuts, seeds > I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... > However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated > from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have > not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other > factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies > only come up with common factors. > > If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with > them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just > someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " , > but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'. > > Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N > > Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master > www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health. > 1- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Phew! I am not alone!!! Re: curiosity question I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable exchanges with the diabetic diet. Dates me too. Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA Food & Nutrition Care Consultant PO Box 204175 Augusta, Georgia 30917 **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Phew! I am not alone!!! Re: curiosity question I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable exchanges with the diabetic diet. Dates me too. Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA Food & Nutrition Care Consultant PO Box 204175 Augusta, Georgia 30917 **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 We don't mind answering younger RDs. Many times I count on their state-of-the art knowlege : ) . A butterball diet was used back when I was in my internship - the 60s - to feed patients w acute or chronic kidney disease. It was a way of maintaining caloric intake w low protein. Of course, the butter (or margarine, actually) was unsalted. The Sippy diet was a diet for bleeding ulcers, prescribed by MD and only in the hospital. It was a progressive diet that ended with a bland diet - as I recall there were 1, 2 & 3 - starting with half & half, and adding other liquids, then solids, all milky and soft, slowly. Quite an awful diet to be on, and it ended up it treated nothing, really. Digna curiosity question > > Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we > have double blind studies on the following diets: > Bland > Clear Liquids > Full Liquids > Low residue > No nuts, seeds > I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... > However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated > from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have > not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other > factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies > only come up with common factors. > > If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with > them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just > someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " , > but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'. > > Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N > > Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master > www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health. > 1- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 We don't mind answering younger RDs. Many times I count on their state-of-the art knowlege : ) . A butterball diet was used back when I was in my internship - the 60s - to feed patients w acute or chronic kidney disease. It was a way of maintaining caloric intake w low protein. Of course, the butter (or margarine, actually) was unsalted. The Sippy diet was a diet for bleeding ulcers, prescribed by MD and only in the hospital. It was a progressive diet that ended with a bland diet - as I recall there were 1, 2 & 3 - starting with half & half, and adding other liquids, then solids, all milky and soft, slowly. Quite an awful diet to be on, and it ended up it treated nothing, really. Digna curiosity question > > Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we > have double blind studies on the following diets: > Bland > Clear Liquids > Full Liquids > Low residue > No nuts, seeds > I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... > However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated > from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have > not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other > factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies > only come up with common factors. > > If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with > them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just > someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " , > but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'. > > Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N > > Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master > www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health. > 1- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 OK, how many of you who remember that stuff are from Ia? Kistler Scheer MSRDLD On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:19:46 EST ngwaltrdld@... writes: > I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable > exchanges > with the diabetic diet. Dates me too. > > > > > Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA > Food & Nutrition Care Consultant > PO Box 204175 > Augusta, Georgia 30917 > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 OK, how many of you who remember that stuff are from Ia? Kistler Scheer MSRDLD On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:19:46 EST ngwaltrdld@... writes: > I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable > exchanges > with the diabetic diet. Dates me too. > > > > > Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA > Food & Nutrition Care Consultant > PO Box 204175 > Augusta, Georgia 30917 > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Do you mean the Iowa State Diet Manual? I had a copy of the red one until not too long ago when my garage flooded. I may still even have another color. I used to love that manual. And since we're into the how may remember ... how many of you have made tube feedings using a blender and strainer? I can almost quote the recipe. Digna Cassens, MHA, RD http://groups.msn.com/RDForum Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis Re: curiosity question OK, how many of you who remember that stuff are from Ia? Kistler Scheer MSRDLD On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:19:46 EST ngwaltrdld@... writes: > I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable > exchanges > with the diabetic diet. Dates me too. > > > > > Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA > Food & Nutrition Care Consultant > PO Box 204175 > Augusta, Georgia 30917 > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Do you mean the Iowa State Diet Manual? I had a copy of the red one until not too long ago when my garage flooded. I may still even have another color. I used to love that manual. And since we're into the how may remember ... how many of you have made tube feedings using a blender and strainer? I can almost quote the recipe. Digna Cassens, MHA, RD http://groups.msn.com/RDForum Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis Re: curiosity question OK, how many of you who remember that stuff are from Ia? Kistler Scheer MSRDLD On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:19:46 EST ngwaltrdld@... writes: > I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable > exchanges > with the diabetic diet. Dates me too. > > > > > Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA > Food & Nutrition Care Consultant > PO Box 204175 > Augusta, Georgia 30917 > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Good grief! Butter balls were used for renal diets. I believe it was balls of butter mixed with sugar. From what I remember, we had to give a 40 or even a 20 gram protein diet, from what I remember. (Not as bad as when I was in Saudi and we had docs that kept trying to order no protein diets!) Was a sad attempt to get some extra calories in to patients. Even fruits and vegetables were restricted due to counting every gram of protein. I hated renal dieTs for over 30 years because of that initial introduction. Was forced in to working as a renal dietitian a couple years ago. Our renal dietitian left and the department was desperate. I love it now. Just sorry that I didn't get another view of renal dietetics long before this. We must be the first of the baby boomers here. (Susie) Joan Quillian Saipan curiosity question Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we have double blind studies on the following diets: Bland Clear Liquids Full Liquids Low residue No nuts, seeds I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies only come up with common factors. If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " , but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'. Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health. 1- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Good grief! Butter balls were used for renal diets. I believe it was balls of butter mixed with sugar. From what I remember, we had to give a 40 or even a 20 gram protein diet, from what I remember. (Not as bad as when I was in Saudi and we had docs that kept trying to order no protein diets!) Was a sad attempt to get some extra calories in to patients. Even fruits and vegetables were restricted due to counting every gram of protein. I hated renal dieTs for over 30 years because of that initial introduction. Was forced in to working as a renal dietitian a couple years ago. Our renal dietitian left and the department was desperate. I love it now. Just sorry that I didn't get another view of renal dietetics long before this. We must be the first of the baby boomers here. (Susie) Joan Quillian Saipan curiosity question Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we have double blind studies on the following diets: Bland Clear Liquids Full Liquids Low residue No nuts, seeds I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies only come up with common factors. If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " , but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'. Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health. 1- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Time flies. curiosity question > > Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we > have double blind studies on the following diets: > Bland > Clear Liquids > Full Liquids > Low residue > No nuts, seeds > I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... > However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated > from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have > not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other > factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies > only come up with common factors. > > If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with > them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just > someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " , > but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'. > > Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N > > Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master > www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health. > 1- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Time flies. curiosity question > > Just food for thought and not being a big research person Do we > have double blind studies on the following diets: > Bland > Clear Liquids > Full Liquids > Low residue > No nuts, seeds > I've seen studies on low fat, low sodium, controlled carbs etc... > However, most of these studies I've seen are groups being rotated > from diet a, b, c over a series of weeks. Most of the studies have > not been in controlled environment. Meaning it could be other > factors influencing their success/failure. Epidemiological studies > only come up with common factors. > > If there's no studies on these diets, then how did we come up with > them? Was it based on what worked, what didn't work? Or just > someone's brainstorm? We accept these as appropriate " treatment " , > but do we have the research? Just curious. Research is not my forte'. > > Kathy Link, M.B.A., M.S., R.D., L.D.N > > Certified LEAP Therapist , Reiki Master > www.nutritionmakescents.com Discover the price tag of poor health. > 1- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 I forgot al about the A and B vegetables. However, I'm still recovering from rice and pasta going from 1/2 cup per serving to 1/3 cup. There was also hyperlipidemia diets that were set in to four classifications depending on what was high or low. Type 1 thru type 4. I don't remember the name of it. I think that might have gone out of style about 20 years ago or so. Anyone remember it? Susie Re: curiosity question I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable exchanges with the diabetic diet. Dates me too. Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA Food & Nutrition Care Consultant PO Box 204175 Augusta, Georgia 30917 **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 I forgot al about the A and B vegetables. However, I'm still recovering from rice and pasta going from 1/2 cup per serving to 1/3 cup. There was also hyperlipidemia diets that were set in to four classifications depending on what was high or low. Type 1 thru type 4. I don't remember the name of it. I think that might have gone out of style about 20 years ago or so. Anyone remember it? Susie Re: curiosity question I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable exchanges with the diabetic diet. Dates me too. Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA Food & Nutrition Care Consultant PO Box 204175 Augusta, Georgia 30917 **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Oh, my goodness, yes! I worked at the NE Deaconess Hosp. We carefully weighed out (in grams) the nutrition prescription, blended it all together and sent it to the floors for nursing to put into the NG tube. Meritene and other powdered type formulas were new and some docs would order those for tube feedings. We did lots of Convalescent Sippy Diets. Before everbody goes off. Many of these patients would have starved without the intervention. " Intervention " is a word we use now. Back then, it was get the food in one way or the other. Raphaela > > Do you mean the Iowa State Diet Manual? I had a copy of the red one until not too long ago when my garage flooded. I may still even have another color. I used to love that manual. > > And since we're into the how may remember ... how many of you have made tube feedings using a blender and strainer? I can almost quote the recipe. > > Digna Cassens, MHA, RD > http://groups.msn.com/RDForum > Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis > > Re: curiosity question > > > OK, how many of you who remember that stuff are from Ia? Kistler > Scheer MSRDLD > On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:19:46 EST ngwaltrdld@... writes: > > I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable > > exchanges > > with the diabetic diet. Dates me too. > > > > > > > > > > Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA > > Food & Nutrition Care Consultant > > PO Box 204175 > > Augusta, Georgia 30917 > > > > > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes? NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Oh, my goodness, yes! I worked at the NE Deaconess Hosp. We carefully weighed out (in grams) the nutrition prescription, blended it all together and sent it to the floors for nursing to put into the NG tube. Meritene and other powdered type formulas were new and some docs would order those for tube feedings. We did lots of Convalescent Sippy Diets. Before everbody goes off. Many of these patients would have starved without the intervention. " Intervention " is a word we use now. Back then, it was get the food in one way or the other. Raphaela > > Do you mean the Iowa State Diet Manual? I had a copy of the red one until not too long ago when my garage flooded. I may still even have another color. I used to love that manual. > > And since we're into the how may remember ... how many of you have made tube feedings using a blender and strainer? I can almost quote the recipe. > > Digna Cassens, MHA, RD > http://groups.msn.com/RDForum > Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis > > Re: curiosity question > > > OK, how many of you who remember that stuff are from Ia? Kistler > Scheer MSRDLD > On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:19:46 EST ngwaltrdld@... writes: > > I remember butter balls, butter soup, Sippy diet, A & B vegetable > > exchanges > > with the diabetic diet. Dates me too. > > > > > > > > > > Giles Walters, MMSc, RD, CSG, LD, FADA > > Food & Nutrition Care Consultant > > PO Box 204175 > > Augusta, Georgia 30917 > > > > > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes? NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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