Re: Supplements & Herbs I take ...

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Hi Cat,

Can you tell me about the zapper please? I looked it up on line so I know what

it is supposed to do. Could you tell me how the zapper distinguishes between

good and bad bacteria? Also how you can make one?

This is an extract from what I found about the zapper:_

In her book, The Cure For All Diseases, Dr. describes how certain

parasites affect our health and how we can improve our health by killing them

using a parasite zapper . Since this book was first published, many individuals

have discovered that zappers really do work. There are thousands of zappers sold

around the world , most of them work, killing bacteria, protozoa, and other

parasites.

Thanks

Penny

Shrewsbury UK

Supplements & Herbs I take ...

Jen wrote:

>Hey Cat, I was just reading your post, and noticed that you and I have one

of

>the same homeopathic " bibles " . I bought the Prescription for

>Nutritional Healing book back when I swore off antibiotics and was

>hideously ill with colitis, and I love it. I take a lot of

>supplements too, and would love to hear what you are taking.

Hi to Jen and others on the list . . .

I try to buy as much organic as I can and make everything from scratch at

home. I buy only meats from Kosher deli which have no additives and are

raised properly with no hormones, etc. or certfied organic (free range is open

to too many legal loopholes). I drink water from glass bottles and not

plastic (I avoid drinking tap water and am going to buy a filter for the shower

as I hate chlorine). I used Dr. Hulda 's zapper which we made at home.

I take a multi by Twin Labs which hypo-allergetic.

I then take other supplements separately in addition, most of them listed

here, but I have probably forgotten some:

I take a B complex

C with bioflavanoids

B-12 sublingual

I have two Calcium supplements now realizing how important the absorption of

Magnesium seems to be for FM. One is a Calcium Citrite (with Mag., Vit. D.,)

and the other is a Mini-Mins with Cal/Mag and some other minerals.

In addition I take a Magnesium/Mallic acid supplement formulated for Fibro !

I take Glucosamine Sulfate again. I had taken it for a few years for

arthritis and a torn tendon in my shoulder. I quit for about a year. And am

taking it again for the FM. Glucosamine Condritin is contra-indicated for

Type Os (blood type, ER4YT) so I don't use that any longer.

I am taking extra Folic acid, 3 tablets a day,

Vit. E.

I used to take a lot of C, maybe 1-3 grams per day, but it seemed to start

bothering my stomach so I cut that back to 500 mg a day and now take more

grapefruit seed extract - anti-oxidant

olive leaf extract anti-everything ;-)

I am taking Bromelain for inflamation

Zinc

Chromium for blood sugar

Chlorella

Coleus Forshkohlii

Rhodiola

Boswellian

ENADA for relaxation/energy

SAMe

5-HTP

DGL (licorice of some sort)

Astrangulus for immune strength and it is said to help hair grow

Charcoal if I have diarreah

I was using progesterone cream for a while and I seem to be doing much better

so am cutting that back gradually . . . I used to have hot flashes every hour

for a couple of months, now I get one every few days. :-) (My OB-GYN told me

that the body will convert progesterone to estrogen . . . better than horses's

urine).

I take melatonin and/or valerian with other herb combination for sleep.

Generally take just melatonin befor bed because of herbs before bed aren't too

good for the stomach. So I try to take all of my herbs at least an hour and a

half before bed if I can remember, otherwise I skip them.

Ginko for memory ... did I forget anything ;-)

I am sure there are a few others I failed to mention, but that is the jist of

it for treating FM.

I do not take any herb continuously. When the bottle is finished I drop it

for a while.

Nutritional supplements I generally try to remember to take, but missing one

day occsionally is probably a good rest for the stomach.

Earlier I was taking an entirely different sort of herbs for my stomach and

liver . . . those are MUCH better now.

I had elevated liver numbers and my liver and stomach were throbbing and I had

rib pain as well. All of that is gone.

I follow the ER4TY food plan and have for about 7 years -- really helped my

arthritis a lot.

No corn, No white potatoes, No wheat (only sprouted grains, but on rare

occasion as I just do not do well on grains - makes me bloat, even rice makes me

bloat so I skip them for the most part), No pork, etc.

I had seen a couple different Naturopaths about the bone-crushing fatigue and

they both mentioned Magnesium.

Interestingly I had injuries to my heels about two years ago, and also that

just after I had carpal tunnel surgery in both hands. The surgery really

helped me as my thumbs were atrophying and I had excruciating pain in my

forearms. That forearm pain went away almost immediately after surgery. The

surgery was VERY painful bu thte way he does the procedure he totally separates

two channels in each hand so that they will never grow back again.

but one Naturopath I saw last year said that those kind of injuries are ALL

related to a low level of Magnesium.

I don't know whether the malic acid is supposed to help with absorption, I

haven't had time to investigate that.

Take pills, ask questions later. ;-)

The pain I have in my hands now it toatlly different.

I read that continueous pain (I had back surgery and pain for year as well as

the hand surgeries), continuous lack of sleep can bring on FM.

I have given up a lot of things, including work to try to get enough sleep.

That with the changes in supplements particularly those recommended for FM I am

hopeful this will get a lot better.

Because TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) views all of these things so

differently I will be interested to hear what the practitioner has to say

tomorrow! I am going to be trying someone new because I definitely want someone

who does pulse testing to get to whatever subtle underlying organ imbalance

their might be. :-)

A word about cleanses. For a younger person or someone fairly strong and

healthy they are fine. I am talking about where you don't eat food for a day

or two. If you are older, like me, they can be extremely hard on the body, so

go easy with them. Same with fasting, it puts stress on the body. I did

Dr. Hulda 's Liver Flush 3 times. Once a month for 3 months. The first

one was great. I should not have done the second two. My Chinese

practitioner said the first one brought my body into balance, whereas the second

two put more stress on my body and then brought it out of balance. So I was

too aggressive with my cleanses. I am not saying that anyone else would make

the same mistakes which I made, but just some information for anyone who needs

it.

I don't like breakfast, it makes me loggy, so I suppose I fast every morning.

But I used to do complete 7 day fast of only water during my 20s. I am not sure

that that was a smart thing for me to do. Juice fasts are mostly sugar and I

personally cannot do them because of my tendency toward blood sugar problems.

But I will say that after my treatment of 5 months with acupuncture, my stomach

and the blood sugar problems are radically improved.

HTH - Cat

^. .^ ~

" Optimism is magic! "

Attitude is everything-so pick a good one!

[Guest guest]

I posted earlier on the Meyer's cocktail IV i take weekly, it really helps, and

there's nothing

like getting the vitamins popped straight into your body. In fact, the vitamin c

and b

vitamins makes you warm while you sit there. When a week goes by, and can tell

that they

are wearing off.

wendy

> I cannot remember where I read this as I combined the entire list

> but I am taking specifically for FM:

>

> SAMe

>

> 5-HTP

>

> " Fibro Malic " (which is 800 mg Malic Acid and 200 mg Magnesium with a few

other

things thrown in like MSM!)

>

> Extra Vit. E,

>

> Glucosamine Sulfate

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kristy,

Thanks for the heads-up on Huldah . Will definitely not forget a

name like that!!

hugs and prayers,

Sharon - Memphis, TN

Faith...with it, miracles *CAN* and *DO* happen!

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Cat,

You are WAY ahead of me in your research! And giving up the

majority of caffeine in my diet was so hard! I've not been able to

kick the morning cup yet...it's not a pretty picture if I don't have

it, but I've eliminated about 99% of it, which is a MAJOR

improvement for me.

The meat I eat isn't even a " brand " name. We get it from a meat

store that will even process a whole animal for you if that's what

you want. They get a lot of business during deer season. I told

you I REALLY live in small town America, where corn, soy beans, and

Deere are a big deal. There isn't a naturopath to be found

within hours of my hometown, so I'm pretty much on my own!

I haven't read the book about olive leaf. I pretty much stumbled

onto it myself by accident when I was doing research on candida. I

had started out with colloidal silver, but the potential risks with

that outweighed the benefits in my mind. CS is awesome for burns

though! I've done a lot of research on the OLE though, and I can't

believe how many things it's good for. I take it one month on, one

month off, unless something pops up. I got a co-worker's diabetic

husband started on it, as well as chromium, and since then, his carb

cravings have lessened majorly, and his sugar levels have dropped a

lot.

Do you get your " Fibro Malic " from Twin Labs? That would be

something I'd be interested in trying. I'm not familiar with

Rodiola...is that for fatigue as well? Unfortunately, I can't take

SAMe, as I have bipolar disorder, and it's contradicted.

I've done acupuncture as well, actually electro-acupuncture. I did

it after I had shoulder surgery, and I was still having a lot of

pain and lack of range of motion when I was done with PT. There is

a Chinese physical medicine doctor the next town over from me who

does eastern medicine along with standard western medicine, so I got

my ortho to refer me to him. My insurance even paid for it since

they techincally referred to it as electrical stimulation therapy,

as they hooked a TENS unit to the acupuncture needles. I really

liked it a lot though. It was so relaxing, that I was out within 10

minutes of being set up every time. I keep thinking that maybe I

should go back and let him work on my back, but only if my insurance

will definitely pay for it. At $100 a treatment, it isn't cheap! I

loved it though!!

Thanks for the response!

Jen

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Jen wrote:

>Cat,

>

>You are WAY ahead of me in your research!

Only because I have spent more years at it. You can do it!

And now with the internet things are so much easier. :-)

>And giving up the

>majority of caffeine in my diet was so hard! I've not been able to

>kick the morning cup yet...it's not a pretty picture if I don't have

>it, but I've eliminated about 99% of it, which is a MAJOR

>improvement for me.

My husband only has one cup a day and

he seems to do okay with it. But if you have given up most of your

coffee that is HUGE progress.

And progress is that name of the game here. It took some time

for me to find substitutes for white potates, corn, wheat, etc.,

that are satisfying and that I can live with long-term.

No one can realistically make a 180 degree turnaround quickly. It is a

gradual lifestyle change. When I first read Dr. D'Adamo's first

book it took me a long long time to keep the food lists straight for

myself and for my husband. Years later it is second nature, but

it wasn't at first.

>The meat I eat isn't even a " brand " name. We get it from a meat

>store that will even process a whole animal for you if that's what

>you want.

Well, if someone raised it nearby that sounds great. Just like when

I grew up in the country. You are probably better off with " real " meat.

>They get a lot of business during deer season.

If you like venision it is excellent because it is not shot up with anything.

>I told

>you I REALLY live in small town America, where corn, soy beans, and

> Deere are a big deal. There isn't a naturopath to be found

>within hours of my hometown, so I'm pretty much on my own!

There is so much info online and some books can be purchased used

on Amazon as well as very cheap on eBay.

I found a huge Chinese cooking book for $2.00 used. With $3

shipping it was only $5. What a deal.

But there is a lot to be said for having clean air !

We are looking forward to the day we can live in a much less

congested area.

>I haven't read the book about olive leaf. I pretty much stumbled

>onto it myself by accident when I was doing research on candida. I

>had started out with colloidal silver, but the potential risks with

>that outweighed the benefits in my mind. CS is awesome for burns

>though!

I haven't used CS. Haven't happened to run across a need for it that

I know of yet. Glad to hear about the potential risks. The aloe plant

works well, especially if I use micro-pore tape to keep it on for a minimum

of 8-10 hours. I just got a new plant. There are many at the green house

nearby which was good. Years ago they weren't so easy to find.

>I've done a lot of research on the OLE though, and I can't

>believe how many things it's good for. I take it one month on, one

>month off, unless something pops up.

That a great way to take herbs. Herbs are after all medicine of sorts

and I don't like to stay on an herb any longer than necessary.

>I got a co-worker's diabetic

>husband started on it, as well as chromium, and since then, his carb

>cravings have lessened majorly, and his sugar levels have dropped a

>lot.

That is good to get results! It took me trying a few brands of chromium until

I

found one that I could notice a difference with. In fact it took me years of

trying different brands. Nature's Way works for me now, many others didn't seem

to.

>Do you get your " Fibro Malic " from Twin Labs?

The brand is Trask Nutrition. Never heard of them until I got this Fibro

Malic.

But my hypo-allergetic Vit. I take is from Twin Lab and I like that they have

capsules (which I open and put in water when I have time). I like Twin Lab so

far.

>That would be

>something I'd be interested in trying. I'm not familiar with

>Rodiola...is that for fatigue as well?

It is from Russia or Norway or something . . . it is used in Europe

a lot for energy.

I took it as it was one of the herbs recommended for FM I think

because fatigue is part of the symptoms.

>Unfortunately, I can't take

>SAMe, as I have bipolar disorder, and it's contradicted.

I see you can't mix that with your meds. I think that same

incompatability exists for 5-HTP as well.

I assume you don't take St. 's Wart as well. That is contra

indicated for Type Os, but I am not sure whether it is not

recommended for taking with other psychotrophics.

If I run across something which works sort of like SAMe and

you would be able to take, I will shoot an email off to ya.

Several times a month I am at the health food store and I can

ask around.

I started taking aloe juice because the increase in herbs has

irritated my stomach just a bit, so I am just about out of my

bottle and need to go back for more sometime soon.

>I've done acupuncture as well, actually electro-acupuncture.

If you did well with that, you might also do well with

self acupressure. Do you happen to remember any of the

trigger points they used which you can reach?

You can look for sore places on your hands, feet, arms, shoulders,

head, neck, legs, etc. and either you or someone else rub a little circle

50 times in one direction and then 50 times in another direction.

I was taught that by a Chinese man I used to see in St. , MN.

He would put a dot on the points with a small magic marker and then

my husband and I would learn where they are and repeat the treatment

when we got home and each day until our next treatment. I thought it

good of him to inspire us to be independent and do some of our own treatment.

The little webbed area between your thumb and finger is really good

for relaxation and pain in the neck. Same with the outside of the hand

just above the little finger knuckle joint. You can do searches on the

internet and find diagrams. Good general ones to start with are

energy or immune strengthening or relaxation. The ear also has sore spots

which are good to rub and easy to reach.

I find that using the computer really hurts my hands so I do lots of hand

massage

later and try to find the sore spots and work those.

It is hard to work on oneself tho, so sometime if you can get a

shiatsu machine, let the electricity do the work. ;-)

>I did

>it after I had shoulder surgery, and I was still having a lot of

>pain and lack of range of motion when I was done with PT. There is

>a Chinese physical medicine doctor the next town over from me who

>does eastern medicine along with standard western medicine, so I got

>my ortho to refer me to him. My insurance even paid for it

I was fortunate enough, as you, only once in my life that I got acupuncture

covered by insurance.

The woman was from a family of Chinese doctors, came here and got her

M.D. and her license, but couldn't break into a medical practice, so she

opened an acupuncture clinic and all the M.D.s refer to her for physical

therapy. Those situations are unique, eh?

You are fortunate to have someone within driving distance whose work

you responded well to. Hope you can get some coverage by the ins. co.

>since

>they techincally referred to it as electrical stimulation therapy,

>as they hooked a TENS unit to the acupuncture needles. I really

>liked it a lot though. It was so relaxing, that I was out within 10

>minutes of being set up every time. I keep thinking that maybe I

>should go back and let him work on my back, but only if my insurance

>will definitely pay for it. At $100 a treatment, it isn't cheap! I

>loved it though!!

What about for pain management?

Most doctors will refer to acupuncture now for pain management

You might want to check with your insurance company . . . some I have had

said to me, if you exceed $500 out-of-system sources for a calendar year

we will pay 80% of that over $500. That is still a lot.

>Thanks for the response!

You're welcome. Good luck !!!

Cheers, Cat

^. .^ ~

" Optimism is magic! "