added surfactants to solid shampoo bars

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In a message dated 5/2/2004 10:27:57 AM Central Daylight Time,

bubunza@... writes:

> Does anyone make solid shampoo bars using SLES or SLS? I have a customer

> requesting it, and was just wondering if I did use it, what the useage rates

> would be?

> Or.... what other surfactant would work well in a solid shampoo made with CP

> method

The CP soap IS a surfactant of a very different nature. Does the customer

want the syndet surfactant also? I'd opt for a formula of one or the other, as

I don't understand the desire for both. Linoleics are the clean-rinsing fatty

acids if rinsing is of concern ... I recommend they be rather high, as

they're also good light-weight conditioners. Also, the acidic conditioning if

the

person has hard water is a good idea regardless of which type of surfactant

you're using, but with most softened water is still needed with most syndet

surfactants and only sometimes when using a superfatted soap-based shampoo.

In the solid soap category, the oils make the difference - some are great for

hair and others aren't ... coconut has been discussed as being fantastic for

hair as well as being the superior hardening / lathering oil for soap. Other

oils to use could include castor (of course), jojoba, avocado, emu,

meadowfoam, olive, palm kernel, and sunflower or safflower. The superfat levels

for

fine hair need to be on the low end, but 5% is the lowest I'd go, especially

when

using these oils. Not recommended are the butters, lard or tallow, or waxes

to harden bars ... just balance the formula with the hardening / conditioning

oils.

If you go the syndet route, check out Angie's formulary for gentle shampoos.

Have fun!

-

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/2/2004 10:27:57 AM Central Daylight Time,

bubunza@... writes:

> Does anyone make solid shampoo bars using SLES or SLS? I have a customer

> requesting it, and was just wondering if I did use it, what the useage rates

> would be?

> Or.... what other surfactant would work well in a solid shampoo made with CP

> method

The CP soap IS a surfactant of a very different nature. Does the customer

want the syndet surfactant also? I'd opt for a formula of one or the other, as

I don't understand the desire for both. Linoleics are the clean-rinsing fatty

acids if rinsing is of concern ... I recommend they be rather high, as

they're also good light-weight conditioners. Also, the acidic conditioning if

the

person has hard water is a good idea regardless of which type of surfactant

you're using, but with most softened water is still needed with most syndet

surfactants and only sometimes when using a superfatted soap-based shampoo.

In the solid soap category, the oils make the difference - some are great for

hair and others aren't ... coconut has been discussed as being fantastic for

hair as well as being the superior hardening / lathering oil for soap. Other

oils to use could include castor (of course), jojoba, avocado, emu,

meadowfoam, olive, palm kernel, and sunflower or safflower. The superfat levels

for

fine hair need to be on the low end, but 5% is the lowest I'd go, especially

when

using these oils. Not recommended are the butters, lard or tallow, or waxes

to harden bars ... just balance the formula with the hardening / conditioning

oils.

If you go the syndet route, check out Angie's formulary for gentle shampoos.

Have fun!

-

[Guest guest]

Does anyone make solid shampoo bars using SLES or SLS? I have a customer

requesting it, and was just wondering if I did use it, what the useage rates

would be?

Or.... what other surfactant would work well in a solid shampoo made with CP

method.

Dianne