Re: Umm / MSM vs epsom salts (long)

[Guest guest]

This week I am going to combine all the contributed information from

recent discussions on MSM and put it in the Files section.

MSM is methyl sulfonyl methane - a natural organic form of sulfur

epsom salts are magnesium sulfate (a salt of magnesium)

....so they are not the same, but the body can absorb sulfur from

either form. You also get some Magnesium from the epsom salts.

MSM is used as a topical pain killer and I also bought some

glucosamine/chondroitin/MSM cream for my husband from Nature's Plus

at the HFS. The glucosamine is for rebuilding ligaments. The

chondroitin is a carrier to help the other stuff be better absorbed.

And the MSM is for the sulfur and pain. I have seen the MSM and

glucosamine together is several products. The MSM you have would be

the same as the MSM we are discussing for sulfur.

Every concoction using the epsom salts left a dry sandy film from the

salt on the skin. Salts are drying of course, so I was not successful

making a cream out of them, although someone else might. MSM does not

have the drying effect of the salt, although some of my concoctions

were a little gritty going on. But the crystals readily broke up and

rubbed into the skin. When I heated the MSM crystals and lotion or

oil, mixed well, then they stayed mixed as it cooled (or at least so

far, about 6 hours now).

> And if my son reacted negatively to the epsom salt baths (even to

> just a teapoon of it! aggressive and angry-- three baths, three

> mornings),

Some parents have said this indicated that your son was really toxic

and NEEDING the detoxing effects of the baths. When I pursued this a

few months back the advice was to continue the baths with less salts

and give him time to detox....that it would get better.

then if MSM cream is a slightly different compound than

> epsom salt, I'd like to try it... where do you find it?

Well I just made my own at home (unless someone posts saying I made

something cancerous, I am just so pleased with myself, LOL). However,

there were 5 different MSM cream formulations at the HFS and there

are gobs of them online with an assortment of additives. After my

name is a list of links I found the other day, or you can punch

in " MSM cream " in your search engine.

I just bought a container of pure MSM powder for $28 and it has 16 oz

(227 servings) at 2 grams or 1/2 teaspoon/serving. I looks like white

crystals, like unrefined sugar. They recommend 1/4 in the morning and

1/4 in the evening. If I mix this with a lotion and/or coconut oil

and apply it, the amount would be about a 1 teaspoon or a little more

of lotion. That is an easy amount to apply. Fortunately, you cannot

overdose on MSM so I can be pretty liberal with it without worry.

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I searched for some MSM cream products and found the following

information. Most products contain up to 15% MSM and one product

saying this is the maximum amount of MSM possible in a cream. I also

tried to find how much cream you needed to apply to equal a capsule.

Only one source listed anything at all, see below. A lot of the

products have the same ingredients as in the Kirkman MSM cream, but

others do not. Just search for " MSM cream " or MSM lotion " and you

will get gobs of sites. You can find creams with or without

fragrances, all natural, with trace minerals or ionic stuff, and

other additives. There was a big range in prices, depending on

quantity, form and other additives. $6/2oz or $12/4oz was common on

the high side with lots of places offering bigger discounts for

larger volumes, such as $10/8oz. There were also MSM gels, soaps and

toothpastes.

http://www.life-flo.com/msmplus.html

Pump lotion cream 5 oz 19.99

--(you are paying for the fancy pump, but it is a nice pump)

8 oz Lotion 9.95

MSM Caps 9.95

3oz MSM and Glucosamine cream 12.95

Contains 15 percent MSM- the maximum concentration possible for a

cream. These are available in my HFS.

http://www.naturesplus.com/products/supp_detail.asp?

criteria=search & category= & sf= & searchVar=MSM & productNumber=4925 & goThere

Button.x=20 & goThereButton.y=8

I bought Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM- Ultra Rx-Joint Cream by

Nature's Plus because my husband's cartilage in his knees is very

thin (he has always run for exercise) and so this was more for the

glucosamine and not the MSM - $12/4 oz and the HFS person said it

works very well for joints.

http://www.sourcenaturals.com/guide/msmc.html

This are available in my HFS.

http://www.health-pages.com/cgi-local/aff2.pl?

SRC=G396T & URL=pain/ms.html

MSM Lotion 10 fluid ounces, 15% MSM with jojoba oil & a blend of

herbal extracts.

http://www.gotmsm.com/msmcream.htm

all natural ingredients

http://www.herbalremedies.com/1341.html

http://www.galaxymall.com/health/msm/product2.html

Several creams with different fragrances and MSM soaps - say 17%

Also has a explanation of it.

http://www.iherb.com/msmgelcream.html

4 products on this page

http://www.4rhythm.com/msm.html

Index FBS Price list NZ FBS Price list Int. Order Slip Shipping Rates

Procedure for Payment FOREVER BLUE SKY MSM CREAM with Vitamin E

Ingredients 15% MSM Cream - 375mg in 1/2 teaspoon Active ingredients:

Aloe Vera Gel

NOTE: DETOXIFICATION

Starting on MSM, some users notice signs of an initial

detoxification. These include headache, loose stool, fatigue and

nausea, lasting a 1 to 14 days - the uncomfortable but welcome signs

of cellular cleansing. If detoxification symptoms are unbearable,

reduce the amount of MSM until symptoms subside. Do not stop taking

the MSM. Your end result will greatly outweigh the temporary

discomfort of detoxification.

A single dose of MSM is usually not effective in relieving symptoms.

Noticeable results are usually seen within 2 to 21 days. The amount

of MSM in each dose is not critical. The minimum individual dose is

about 750-1,000 mg. However, total daily dosages of 1,500 to 5,000 mg

are recommended (2,500 to 5,000 mg being preferable). Everyone's body

will respond differently and different conditions will take longer to

heal. MSM is helping your body heal itself. Some conditions are

relieved in days, while others may take months.

[Guest guest]

i don't agree with this, taken internally it is a complex substance

having anti bacterial and anti parasite properties amoung other

things.

in combination with hi zyme and cellulase enzymes it may effectively

deal with yeast or parasites, i think a course of this had a postive

effect on me but its very hard on the gut and can't be done for ever.

" detoxification " is not an appropriate description for the use of

this supplement, the effects from taking internally are not

detoxification but from its anti microbial effects and the

keratolytic action.

its discovery was by workers getting skin contact with waste water as

a timber industry by product as far as i can see.

http://www.sunlandherb.com/products/msm_information_pack.htm

the level of distortion in normal peoples thinking in these matters

while not a constant scource of amazement might be a constant scource

of something else.

> NOTE: DETOXIFICATION

> Starting on MSM, some users notice signs of an initial

> detoxification. These include headache, loose stool, fatigue and

> nausea, lasting a 1 to 14 days - the uncomfortable but welcome

signs

> of cellular cleansing. If detoxification symptoms are unbearable,

> reduce the amount of MSM until symptoms subside. Do not stop taking

> the MSM. Your end result will greatly outweigh the temporary

> discomfort of detoxification.

>

> A single dose of MSM is usually not effective in relieving

symptoms.

> Noticeable results are usually seen within 2 to 21 days. The amount

> of MSM in each dose is not critical. The minimum individual dose is

> about 750-1,000 mg. However, total daily dosages of 1,500 to 5,000

mg

> are recommended (2,500 to 5,000 mg being preferable). Everyone's

body

> will respond differently and different conditions will take longer

to

> heal. MSM is helping your body heal itself. Some conditions are

> relieved in days, while others may take months.

[Guest guest]

To " osip... "

You wrote:

" the level of distortion in normal peoples thinking in these matters

while not a constant scource of amazement might be a constant scource

of something else. "

Are you insinuating that the posting person has distorted thinking,

or what?

I've read some of your posts before, and I guess I cannot figure out

whether you are here to be helpful, or to be hurtful to others.

W