Re: Help, I am feeling really desperate!

[Guest guest]

Dear Alison,

It certainly seems like you're having a difficult time. Thank you for

the in-depth information. I read it thoroughly. What struck me most was

how you spoke repeatedly about wanting to try Valium, increased the bedtime

Ativan dose, and are now thinking about addinga fourth dose a day. Nowhere

in all that you wrote did I see where you had tried anything we recommend

here for anxiety. The other thing I noticed is that you repeatedly call it

" my Ativan " .

Your thinking about another pharmaceutical drug and taking ownership of

a drug ( " My Ativan... " is conditioning you received from the drug industry.

I'm not challenging you; I'm only trying to show you something I think you

would want to know.

Look in the group files

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Withdrawal_and_Recovery/files/Supplements/F\

or%20Anxiety/

for Remedies for anxiety.htm

Other possibilities are SleepyTime Tea or any of the other

anxiety-reducing teas.

I think the last thing you want to do is increase the Ativan. This will

only make it more difficult to eliminate when the time comes that you want

to do this.

As far as your doctor refusing to look at the Ashton Manual, this is not

a person working in partnership with you. Personally, I would stop seeing

this person after finding another.

Also, switching to Valium is not a magic bullet. You may find that you

are an ultra-fast metabolizer of Valium, or worse, a poor metabolizer.

Please try some of the things that will not be harmful to you. Let us

know what you chose and how it's going. I can assist you in setting up a

good schedule for taking these substances (drugs, too).

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Dear Alison,

It certainly seems like you're having a difficult time. Thank you for

the in-depth information. I read it thoroughly. What struck me most was

how you spoke repeatedly about wanting to try Valium, increased the bedtime

Ativan dose, and are now thinking about addinga fourth dose a day. Nowhere

in all that you wrote did I see where you had tried anything we recommend

here for anxiety. The other thing I noticed is that you repeatedly call it

" my Ativan " .

Your thinking about another pharmaceutical drug and taking ownership of

a drug ( " My Ativan... " is conditioning you received from the drug industry.

I'm not challenging you; I'm only trying to show you something I think you

would want to know.

Look in the group files

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Withdrawal_and_Recovery/files/Supplements/F\

or%20Anxiety/

for Remedies for anxiety.htm

Other possibilities are SleepyTime Tea or any of the other

anxiety-reducing teas.

I think the last thing you want to do is increase the Ativan. This will

only make it more difficult to eliminate when the time comes that you want

to do this.

As far as your doctor refusing to look at the Ashton Manual, this is not

a person working in partnership with you. Personally, I would stop seeing

this person after finding another.

Also, switching to Valium is not a magic bullet. You may find that you

are an ultra-fast metabolizer of Valium, or worse, a poor metabolizer.

Please try some of the things that will not be harmful to you. Let us

know what you chose and how it's going. I can assist you in setting up a

good schedule for taking these substances (drugs, too).

Regards,

[Guest guest]

,

I have read all of your files multiple times. I have been taking calcium, magnesium, the Ultra Toddy and mineral Toddy, Hy-C, fish oil. I drink cammoile and valerian blend tea before bedtime.

I don't drink anything with caffeine. I don't eat chocolate. I have been drastically limiting my sugar and carbs while trying to eat more protein and vegies. Cut way back on my fruit intake. Try to exercise daily. I only increased the Ativan bedtime dose one night. I am back to my regular dose. I don't want to add a fourth nighttime dose, but what is killing me is the interdose withdrawal of the Ativan during the night. I try to cope with the anxiety until it's time for my mornng dose, but it is very difficult and I am only getting a few hours of sleep. I try taking passion flower or magnesium at these times, but they don't help. The only reason I want to switch to Valium is because Dr. Ashton wrote in her manual that since it has a longer half life there is less interdose withdrawal anxiety. I know I Valium isn't the magic bullet, but I need to be able to stabilize and I keep going up and down on the Ativan. Without adding a 4 dose of the Ativan in the middle of the night, I just don't know how to avoid that early morning rebound anxiety that is unbearable and takes me most of the day to recover from. I am not getting anywhere. I have tried the Bach rescue remedey, because I couldn't find the Cherry plum, but it didn't help . I am trying to find another doctor. What else is there for me to try?

Alison

Re: Help, I am feeling really desperate!

Dear Alison, It certainly seems like you're having a difficult time. Thank you for the in-depth information. I read it thoroughly. What struck me most was how you spoke repeatedly about wanting to try Valium, increased the bedtime Ativan dose, and are now thinking about addinga fourth dose a day. Nowhere in all that you wrote did I see where you had tried anything we recommend here for anxiety. The other thing I noticed is that you repeatedly call it "my Ativan". Your thinking about another pharmaceutical drug and taking ownership of a drug ("My Ativan..." is conditioning you received from the drug industry. I'm not challenging you; I'm only trying to show you something I think you would want to know. Look in the group fileshttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Withdrawal_and_Recovery/files/Supplements/For%20Anxiety/for Remedies for anxiety.htm Other possibilities are SleepyTime Tea or any of the other anxiety-reducing teas. I think the last thing you want to do is increase the Ativan. This will only make it more difficult to eliminate when the time comes that you want to do this. As far as your doctor refusing to look at the Ashton Manual, this is not a person working in partnership with you. Personally, I would stop seeing this person after finding another. Also, switching to Valium is not a magic bullet. You may find that you are an ultra-fast metabolizer of Valium, or worse, a poor metabolizer. Please try some of the things that will not be harmful to you. Let us know what you chose and how it's going. I can assist you in setting up a good schedule for taking these substances (drugs, too).Regards, To subscribe to the off-topic list go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialWandR/

[Guest guest]

Dear Alison,

You said:

> I have read all of your files multiple times. I have been taking

calcium, magnesium, the Ultra Toddy and mineral Toddy, Hy-C, fish

oil. I drink cammoile and valerian blend tea before bedtime.>>

** Forget about the valerian. It excites too much serotonin.

^This is why we never mention it. The same goes for chamomile. We

mention it only as a flower essence.

<< I don't drink anything with caffeine. I don't eat chocolate. I

have been drastically limiting my sugar and carbs while trying to eat

more protein and vegies. Cut way back on my fruit intake. Try to

exercise daily. I only increased the Ativan bedtime dose one night.

I am back to my regular dose. I don't want to add a fourth nighttime

dose, but what is killing me is the interdose withdrawal of the

Ativan during the night. I try to cope with the anxiety until it's

time & #65007;for & #65007; my mornng dose, but it is very difficult and I am only

getting a few hours of sleep. I try taking passion flower or

magnesium at these times, but they don't help. The only reason I

want to switch to Valium is because Dr. Ashton wrote in her manual

that since it has a longer half life there is less interdose

withdrawal anxiety. I know I Valium isn't the magic bullet, but I

need to be able to stabilize and I keep going up and down on the

Ativan. Without adding a 4 dose of the Ativan in the middle of the

night, I just don't know how to avoid that early morning rebound

anxiety that is unbearable and takes me most of the day to recover

from. I am not getting anywhere. I have tried the Bach rescue

remedey, because I couldn't find the Cherry plum, but it didn't

help . >>

** Why Rescue Remedy and Cherry Plum? Cherry Plum is only for

explosiveness and psychosis, while Rescue Rem. is for shock.

<<I am trying to find another doctor. What else is there & #65007;for & #65007; me

to

try?>>

** The combo of flower essences I mention in the file on anxiety

(is what is left to try). Try it 4x a day, not just at the time

you've been needing something. Give it a few days.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

,

When I first posted a few weeks ago, one of your suggestions to me was the Bach Cherry Plum. I couldn't find it, so bought the Rescue Remedy because it has Cherry Plum in it.

Alison

Re: Help, I am feeling really desperate!

Dear Alison, You said:> I have read all of your files multiple times. I have been taking calcium, magnesium, the Ultra Toddy and mineral Toddy, Hy-C, fish oil. I drink cammoile and valerian blend tea before bedtime.>> ** Forget about the valerian. It excites too much serotonin. ^This is why we never mention it. The same goes for chamomile. We mention it only as a flower essence.<< I don't drink anything with caffeine. I don't eat chocolate. I have been drastically limiting my sugar and carbs while trying to eat more protein and vegies. Cut way back on my fruit intake. Try to exercise daily. I only increased the Ativan bedtime dose one night. I am back to my regular dose. I don't want to add a fourth nighttime dose, but what is killing me is the interdose withdrawal of the Ativan during the night. I try to cope with the anxiety until it's time & #65007;for & #65007; my mornng dose, but it is very difficult and I am only getting a few hours of sleep. I try taking passion flower or magnesium at these times, but they don't help. The only reason I want to switch to Valium is because Dr. Ashton wrote in her manual that since it has a longer half life there is less interdose withdrawal anxiety. I know I Valium isn't the magic bullet, but I need to be able to stabilize and I keep going up and down on the Ativan. Without adding a 4 dose of the Ativan in the middle of the night, I just don't know how to avoid that early morning rebound anxiety that is unbearable and takes me most of the day to recover from. I am not getting anywhere. I have tried the Bach rescue remedey, because I couldn't find the Cherry plum, but it didn't help . >> ** Why Rescue Remedy and Cherry Plum? Cherry Plum is only for explosiveness and psychosis, while Rescue Rem. is for shock.<<I am trying to find another doctor. What else is there & #65007;for & #65007; me to try?>> ** The combo of flower essences I mention in the file on anxiety (is what is left to try). Try it 4x a day, not just at the time you've been needing something. Give it a few days.Regards,

[Guest guest]

,

Where can I buy the Officinalis, Passion Flower and Lavendula Agustifolia? The Passionflower I am taking is a capsule. Is the tincture better?

Alison

Re: Help, I am feeling really desperate!

Dear Alison, You said:> I have read all of your files multiple times. I have been taking calcium, magnesium, the Ultra Toddy and mineral Toddy, Hy-C, fish oil. I drink cammoile and valerian blend tea before bedtime.>> ** Forget about the valerian. It excites too much serotonin. ^This is why we never mention it. The same goes for chamomile. We mention it only as a flower essence.<< I don't drink anything with caffeine. I don't eat chocolate. I have been drastically limiting my sugar and carbs while trying to eat more protein and vegies. Cut way back on my fruit intake. Try to exercise daily. I only increased the Ativan bedtime dose one night. I am back to my regular dose. I don't want to add a fourth nighttime dose, but what is killing me is the interdose withdrawal of the Ativan during the night. I try to cope with the anxiety until it's time & #65007;for & #65007; my mornng dose, but it is very difficult and I am only getting a few hours of sleep. I try taking passion flower or magnesium at these times, but they don't help. The only reason I want to switch to Valium is because Dr. Ashton wrote in her manual that since it has a longer half life there is less interdose withdrawal anxiety. I know I Valium isn't the magic bullet, but I need to be able to stabilize and I keep going up and down on the Ativan. Without adding a 4 dose of the Ativan in the middle of the night, I just don't know how to avoid that early morning rebound anxiety that is unbearable and takes me most of the day to recover from. I am not getting anywhere. I have tried the Bach rescue remedey, because I couldn't find the Cherry plum, but it didn't help . >> ** Why Rescue Remedy and Cherry Plum? Cherry Plum is only for explosiveness and psychosis, while Rescue Rem. is for shock.<<I am trying to find another doctor. What else is there & #65007;for & #65007; me to try?>> ** The combo of flower essences I mention in the file on anxiety (is what is left to try). Try it 4x a day, not just at the time you've been needing something. Give it a few days.Regards,To subscribe to the off-topic list go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialWandR/

[Guest guest]

> ,

> When I first posted a few weeks ago, one of your suggestions to me

was the Bach Cherry Plum. I couldn't find it, so bought the Rescue

Remedy because it has Cherry Plum in it.

> Alison

You must have reported explosiveness and/or atypical psychosis.

If I recall correctly it was the former.

Re: magnesium and calcium -- have you tried taking either one, or

both (I usually recommend them separately but in this case I'm

looking more at easing your anxiety) at the times toward the end of

one Ativan dose and before the next one? How much of these, in

milligrams, are you taking a day and when?

Regards,

[Guest guest]

> ,

> Where can I buy the Officinalis, Passion Flower and

Lavandula Agustifolia? The Passionflower I am taking is a capsule.

Is the tincture better?

** I'd definitely recommend the tincture over the capsule.

Passionflower - http://www.herbalremedies.com/pasflowtin2o.html

(as essential oil, herbal is too expensive) -

http://www.buyaromatherapy.com/store/melissa_organic_oil.html

Lavandula Agustifolia(as essential oil) -

http://www.youngliving.us/

If the following appeals to you more, try it instead:

NERVE TONIC - Strengthening to the entire nervous system. Grounding,

restores sense of balance and calm, centeredness and well being.

Alleviates stress, anxiety, tension, irritability. Helps get a good

night's sleep.

Skullcap, St. 's wort, lavender, oatstraw

http://blessedmaineherbs.com/comfor.html

Something everyone should know is to always look for 100% organic

when buying any of these types of products. If essential oils are

synthetic, they won't work. Thsi also goes for herbal or flower

essences. You may get a slight effect but nothing like the real

thing.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

I am desperately trying to find a new shrink, because the one I have keeps saying I need to go back on an antidepressant. It has been 1 month since my last dose of Celexa and feel that a lot of my problems are now caused by the Ativan

One month is not very long in the SSRI scheme of things. The withdrawal can last for MONTHS, or even long for some people, and will include many of the things you describe. Why are you trying to find a new shrink? None of them are equipped to deal with drug withdrawal, they only know how to coerce you into taking MORE drugs. And the more you protest about not wanting to take them, the more they will twist your arm and label you with bogus dx's. I've never met anyone who got better seeing a shrink. Especially the ones who push drugs.

"Blind Reason"

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

,

I have never felt explosive or psychotic, just very suicidal at times. Perhaps that is why you suggested the Cherry Plum. I try to alternate between the magnesium and calcium during the day. I take 500mg of calcium 2 times a day and the magnesium, I take 200 - 300 mg., 2 - 3 times a day. I bought the Solgar manesium because the other brand I had gave me diarrhea.

Spoke with my dr. last night and she thought maybe it would be okay for me to switch to Valium for my night time dose so it wouldn't wear of half way during the night, because I don't want to add another dose. I was taking .25 mg of Ativan at night and she said I could take either 2.5 or 5 mg of the valium at bedtime instead of the Ativan. I only took 2.5 at 9 pm. Fell asleep by 10pm and woke up at 11:30 pm feeling like I was on speed. I was shaking and my heart was racing. My husband sat up with me, walking me around the house and finally got me to calm down by reading me a guided meditation from one of my books. I sleep for a few hours only to wake up extremely agitated again. I had my husband read another guided meditation to me and I fell back to sleep for another hour or so. After finally deciding sleep was never going to happen again, I got up. Did some deep breathing and some more guided meditations with a CD I have. This helped me a bit. Took Ativan at the usual time this morning, because even though I was still agitated, I was afraid if I skipped the dose I would go into withdrawal. Am still agitated now, a few hours later, but not quite as badly. I will NEVER take Valium again. I will have to find a way to withdraw from the Ativan. I am desperately trying to find a new shrink, because the one I have keeps saying I need to go back on an antidepressant. It has been 1 month since my last dose of Celexa and feel that a lot of my problems are now caused by the Ativan.

Alison

Re: Help, I am feeling really desperate!

> ,> When I first posted a few weeks ago, one of your suggestions to me was the Bach Cherry Plum. I couldn't find it, so bought the Rescue Remedy because it has Cherry Plum in it.> Alison You must have reported explosiveness and/or atypical psychosis. If I recall correctly it was the former. Re: magnesium and calcium -- have you tried taking either one, or both (I usually recommend them separately but in this case I'm looking more at easing your anxiety) at the times toward the end of one Ativan dose and before the next one? How much of these, in milligrams, are you taking a day and when?Regards,

[Guest guest]

Yes, I am depressed like my shrink says, but there isn't any drug on this planet that will help me feel better.

Hi alison ,

As long as you keep telling yourself this you will get through this.Your depressed because the people that put you in this situation are not willing to help you get back out of it.It's tough coming off the drugs but you CAN do it, the withdrawal is hard there is nothing that will take all that you feel away.You just have to keep telling yourself you can beat it no matter how bad you feel.I did it myself and i am still here to tell you about it.

Hugs Ros

[Guest guest]

If it were up to me I would never see a shrink again, but I need to get the Ativan, so I am at their mercy. I just don't know if my current shrink will give me more Ativan when I run out of this new prescription. Even if I did a slow withdrawal starting now, I don't think I have enough pills to take me through the end. The only reason why this shrink helped me get off of Celexa was because after she had convinced me to try Prozac ( again for me) during my withdrawal, and I almost went insane from it, she realized I needed to get totally off of the Celexa before starting the other goody she had up her sleeve (Cymbalta

UGH! This shrink is a danger to her patients!!! She's obviously not very well educated on how these drugs work or what they do to you when you quit taking them. You can always buy Ativan on the internet from a Canadian pharmacy -- I'd do that before I had to be subjected to this pompous ass!!

"Blind Reason"

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for the information. I just ordered the Passionflower. Is there any Bach flower essence you recommend for the inter-dose anxitey?

Alison

Re: Help, I am feeling really desperate!

> ,> Where can I buy the Officinalis, Passion Flower and Lavandula Agustifolia? The Passionflower I am taking is a capsule. Is the tincture better?** I'd definitely recommend the tincture over the capsule.Passionflower - http://www.herbalremedies.com/pasflowtin2o.html (as essential oil, herbal is too expensive) - http://www.buyaromatherapy.com/store/melissa_organic_oil.htmlLavandula Agustifolia(as essential oil) - http://www.youngliving.us/ If the following appeals to you more, try it instead:NERVE TONIC - Strengthening to the entire nervous system. Grounding, restores sense of balance and calm, centeredness and well being. Alleviates stress, anxiety, tension, irritability. Helps get a good night's sleep.Skullcap, St. 's wort, lavender, oatstrawhttp://blessedmaineherbs.com/comfor.html Something everyone should know is to always look for 100% organic when buying any of these types of products. If essential oils are synthetic, they won't work. Thsi also goes for herbal or flower essences. You may get a slight effect but nothing like the real thing. Regards,

[Guest guest]

Do you or anyone else know of any web sites where I can safely do this?

Getting it from a Canadian pharmacy might be the way to go. recommended one in particular for another person who needed to get Xanax without dealing with the pusherman. I don't remember the name of the place, but you could google Canadian pharmacies and see what comes up. Or maybe will divulge the name of the place she recommends.

"Blind Reason"

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

I need a new a shrink because I had to beg to more Ativan from the one I am seeing. She gave enough to last two maybe three months depending on if I decide to slowly withdraw. She would rather put me on an antidepressant. She tells me that what I am feeling right now cannot due to the combination of recently withdrawing from the Celexa and the tolerance I have developed to the Ativan. I need the Ativan whether I withdraw now or not. The shrink told me if I didn't try an new antidepressant than there was nothing more that she could do for me. I hate my regular dr. and she won't deal with any of this. Told me to find a new shrink.

I keep calling new shrinks only to find that they either can't take on new patients or think I am depressed and need another antidepressant. Even after I tell them about the numerous drugs I have been put on this past year that all made me worse. Even when I tell them that when I went back to Celexa last spring after being on Lexapro for 10 months, only to find the Celexa didn't work anymore, and that it made me feel more anxious and depressed than I ever felt in my life except for when I took stimulants, or during the Celexa withdrawal (of course that made me feel the worst).

Why is it that no one except for my therapist (thank god) and my husband believe me that when I say I am convinced that the anxiety and depression I am feeling now is because I just withdrew from Celexa and have a terrible addiction to Ativan. I started my withdrawal from a bad place. I had endured months of severe anxiety and depression from taking stimulants (that fortunately I had the forsight to stop) and from going back on the Celexa that no longer worked. I went into the withdrawal feeling so anxious and depressed, but absolutely couldn't tolerate the Celexa anymore.

If it were up to me I would never see a shrink again, but I need to get the Ativan, so I am at their mercy. I just don't know if my current shrink will give me more Ativan when I run out of this new prescription. Even if I did a slow withdrawal starting now, I don't think I have enough pills to take me through the end. The only reason why this shrink helped me get off of Celexa was because after she had convinced me to try Prozac ( again for me) during my withdrawal, and I almost went insane from it, she realized I needed to get totally off of the Celexa before starting the other goody she had up her sleeve (Cymbalta). I managed to keep her at bay and convince her I needed to be free of Celexa for a bit before starting something new. But she is like a pit bull (sorry to offend you if you are a pit bull lover) and won't give up the idea that I have this underlying depression that has only gotten worse over the years and that is responsible for my anxiety and depression now.

Yes I am anxious and depressed, but who wouldn't be after taking drugs for 8 months that made me that way, then going through a hellish withdrawal, only to end up addicted to Ativan. I had tried so hard not to get addicted to the Ativan, but it crept up on me. I tried not to take it all the time, but when things got bad, it was the only thing that I knew to take to get me through. My idot shrink kept saying take the Ativan it will help you through the withdrawaI. I believed her. But it did help for a long time. Now it doesn't anymore. I only found this group a few weeks ago. Wish I had found it months ago.

I know in my heart that I have to find a way to get off of the Ativan and give my brain a chance to heal. I know that my brain cannot possibly tolerate another antidepressant, stimulant, or mood stabilizer again. For years I was brain washed into thinking that I had a "chemical imbalance" and that was why I couldn't cope with certain things in my life, and that this chemical imbalance made me depressed. I believed that I would have to take this poison for the rest of my life. I only thank god that I took only an antidepressant non-stop for 5 years. The other poisons I tried were all short lived within this past year. I could have gone on indefinitely taking the Celexa if it hadn't stopped working. So, as much as I am suffering now, I guess it was a blessing that the Celexa stopped working. It made me realize that there was something terribly wrong with the drugs I was taking if they made me feel so bad. But I couldn't find anyone who would confirm that. It wasn't until I stumbled across Dr. Breggin's books right before Christmas that I found the answers that I had been searching for for months.

I finally realize that there were real reasons why I got anxious and depressed to begin with 8 1/2 years ago. I had tried therapy in the past only to fail at it, so I gave up thinking the drugs were the answer. I wasn't coerced into taking the meds like some of you where. I was genuinely anxious and depressed and therapy had failed me, so I let myself believe the garbage I was told that the drugs were the only "cure". I know now that I do not have a chemical imbalance, but instead have some very real issues that have been suppressed by meds for years. I have spent the past 5 months working very hard in therapy, and have only begun to understand what my issues are, but I will continue to work hard and will not quit this time. Yes, I am depressed like my shrink says, but there isn't any drug on this planet that will help me feel better.

Alison

Re: Re: Help, I am feeling really desperate!

I am desperately trying to find a new shrink, because the one I have keeps saying I need to go back on an antidepressant. It has been 1 month since my last dose of Celexa and feel that a lot of my problems are now caused by the AtivanOne month is not very long in the SSRI scheme of things. The withdrawal can last for MONTHS, or even long for some people, and will include many of the things you describe. Why are you trying to find a new shrink? None of them are equipped to deal with drug withdrawal, they only know how to coerce you into taking MORE drugs. And the more you protest about not wanting to take them, the more they will twist your arm and label you with bogus dx's. I've never met anyone who got better seeing a shrink. Especially the ones who push drugs.

[Guest guest]

Ros,

I need to keep reminding myself that no drugs will help me. Hearing other people tell me this just helps reinforce it. Thank you.

Alison

Re: Re: Help, I am feeling really desperate!

Yes, I am depressed like my shrink says, but there isn't any drug on this planet that will help me feel better.

Hi alison ,

As long as you keep telling yourself this you will get through this.Your depressed because the people that put you in this situation are not willing to help you get back out of it.It's tough coming off the drugs but you CAN do it, the withdrawal is hard there is nothing that will take all that you feel away.You just have to keep telling yourself you can beat it no matter how bad you feel.I did it myself and i am still here to tell you about it.

Hugs Ros

[Guest guest]

Glitter,

I have thought about buying the Ativan from the internet, but don't know how to do this and ensure that I am getting Ativan and not some chemical garbage labeled that. Do you or anyone else know of any web sites where I can safely do this?

Thanks,

Alison

Re: Re: Help, I am feeling really desperate!

If it were up to me I would never see a shrink again, but I need to get the Ativan, so I am at their mercy. I just don't know if my current shrink will give me more Ativan when I run out of this new prescription. Even if I did a slow withdrawal starting now, I don't think I have enough pills to take me through the end. The only reason why this shrink helped me get off of Celexa was because after she had convinced me to try Prozac ( again for me) during my withdrawal, and I almost went insane from it, she realized I needed to get totally off of the Celexa before starting the other goody she had up her sleeve (CymbaltaUGH! This shrink is a danger to her patients!!! She's obviously not very well educated on how these drugs work or what they do to you when you quit taking them. You can always buy Ativan on the internet from a Canadian pharmacy -- I'd do that before I had to be subjected to this pompous ass!!

[Guest guest]

Alison, it has been six months since I went off Lexapro, Zyprexa,

and Depakote. I KNOW that they are a big part of the problems I

experience. It isn't until then that I will begin my taper of the

Ativan. I have learned the tough way that patience is prudence. You

seem to be in a rush. Whether you are off Ativan in a month or a

year in not important in the larger sense. I would bet money that

you are still experiencing problems from the Celexa and I personally

don't understand why you need to find a new shrink. The last thing I

would ever do is take part in that ghoulish profession again. Just

my opinion. All the best,

Casey

> > ,

> > When I first posted a few weeks ago, one of your suggestions

to me

> was the Bach Cherry Plum. I couldn't find it, so bought the

Rescue

> Remedy because it has Cherry Plum in it.

> > Alison

>

>

>

> You must have reported explosiveness and/or atypical

psychosis.

> If I recall correctly it was the former.

>

>

> Re: magnesium and calcium -- have you tried taking either

one, or

> both (I usually recommend them separately but in this case I'm

> looking more at easing your anxiety) at the times toward the end

of

> one Ativan dose and before the next one? How much of these, in

> milligrams, are you taking a day and when?

>

> Regards,

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Casey,

I am not in a rush to get off of the Ativan, I am just having a very hard time with it because I am becoming more and more tolerant to it and refuse to increase my dose.

The reason I need a new shrink is because my current one told me there is nothing more she could do for me if I won't go back on an antidepressant. I had to beg her to give me some more Ativan the other day, which she reluctantly did. I just don't know if I can get anymore from her. I only want a shrink to get the Ativan I need.

How do you get your Ativan? My regular dr. won't help me here. When I told her yesterday that my shrink essentiallly won't help me anymore, she told me to get a new shrink.

How much Ativan are you on? Are you planning on switching over to Valium or do a direct taper from the Ativan?

Alison

Re: Help, I am feeling really desperate!

Alison, it has been six months since I went off Lexapro, Zyprexa, and Depakote. I KNOW that they are a big part of the problems I experience. It isn't until then that I will begin my taper of the Ativan. I have learned the tough way that patience is prudence. You seem to be in a rush. Whether you are off Ativan in a month or a year in not important in the larger sense. I would bet money that you are still experiencing problems from the Celexa and I personally don't understand why you need to find a new shrink. The last thing I would ever do is take part in that ghoulish profession again. Just my opinion. All the best,Casey

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Dear Alison,

You said:

<<If it were up to me I would never see a shrink again, but I need to get

the Ativan, so I am at their mercy. I just don't know if my current shrink

will give me more Ativan when I run out of this new prescription. Even if I

did a slow withdrawal starting now, I don't think I have enough pills to

take me through the end. The only reason why this shrink helped me get off

of Celexa was because after she had convinced me to try Prozac ( again for

me) during my withdrawal, and I almost went insane from it, she realized I

needed to get totally off of the Celexa before starting the other goody she

had up her sleeve (Cymbalta). I managed to keep her at bay and convince her

I needed to be free of Celexa for a bit before starting something new. But

she is like a pit bull (sorry to offend you if you are a pit bull lover) and

won't give up the idea that I have this underlying depression that has only

gotten worse over the years and that is responsible for my anxiety and

depression now.>>

** There is a sumple solution here. Take whatever they offer you, fill

it, then don't take it. Smile, say thanks, and then the next time you go

tell them how well you are doing on the COMBINATION of Ativan and

___________. Don't look for answers from them. They will only offer you

another drug.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Dear Alison,

You said:

<<I have thought about buying the Ativan from the internet, but don't know

how to do this and ensure that I am getting Ativan and not some chemical

garbage labeled that. Do you or anyone else know of any web sites where I

can safely do this?>>

** Most sites located in the U.S. or Canada are safe. Here's one that I

always recommend:

www.1stmeds.com

Prescriptions originating from here are filled at a pharmacy in Florida.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

<<Alison, it has been six months since I went off Lexapro, Zyprexa,

and Depakote. I KNOW that they are a big part of the problems I

experience. It isn't until then that I will begin my taper of the

Ativan. I have learned the tough way that patience is prudence. You

seem to be in a rush. Whether you are off Ativan in a month or a

year in not important in the larger sense. I would bet money that

you are still experiencing problems from the Celexa >>

** Casey is correct. You are still experiencing problems from Celexa.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Dear Alison,

You said:

<<I am not in a rush to get off of the Ativan, I am just having a very hard

time with it because I am becoming more and more tolerant to it and refuse

to increase my dose.

The reason I need a new shrink is because my current one told me there is

nothing more she could do for me if I won't go back on an antidepressant. I

had to beg her to give me some more Ativan the other day, which she

reluctantly did. I just don't know if I can get anymore from her. I only

want a shrink to get the Ativan I need.

How do you get your Ativan? My regular dr. won't help me here. When I told

her yesterday that my shrink essentiallly won't help me anymore, she told me

to get a new shrink.>>

** Okay, here's the problem. You need to stop telling the shrink there

IS a problem. Give it a few weeks and then call. Say you are feeling much

better and the Ativan is working fine fro you. Sound like you mean it.

From that point on, never complain to the psychiatrist. Take your Ativan

scripts and get out of there witha smile on your face.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the tips!

Alison

Re: Re: Help, I am feeling really desperate!

Do you or anyone else know of any web sites where I can safely do this?Getting it from a Canadian pharmacy might be the way to go. recommended one in particular for another person who needed to get Xanax without dealing with the pusherman. I don't remember the name of the place, but you could google Canadian pharmacies and see what comes up. Or maybe will divulge the name of the place she recommends.

[Guest guest]

,

You and must husband must be on the same wave length. He said the same thing to me last night. Both of you are brilliant!! Why didn't I think of this myself? Well, because I am so stressed out from what I am going through that I can't think straight anymore.

Today is a better day. Haven't had a good one in weeks.

Alison

Re: Re: Help, I am feeling really desperate!

** There is a sumple solution here. Take whatever they offer you, fill it, then don't take it. Smile, say thanks, and then the next time you go tell them how well you are doing on the COMBINATION of Ativan and ___________. Don't look for answers from them. They will only offer you another drug.Regards,