Re: updating

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nate i had all those problems initially also... i twitched i clicked my muscles burned and i itched like i had itching powder all over me...... this will all go away with time....i have some weakness now but not like before and the twitching isn't as bad as the first time either...... christopher

[Guest guest]

Hi Nate,

You said:

<<All my joints are messed up. do

you know why this is? Could this be a permanent

problem? <snip> I was reading up on a supplement called quercetin.

It's found in apples supposedly it helps the nerves

heal. Have you heard anything about this ? Thanks.>>

It sounds like you're having a rough time right now. This withdrawal

process can bring out all sorts of weird symptoms, and sometimes they seem

to change on a daily basis. It will get better in time.

Don't worry about permanent damage. It's far too soon to even think about

it. Just keep caring for yourself as you go through this one day at a time.

You have youth and vitality on your side.

Keep in mind that this can be long process. Jay mentioned something about

this in a recent post. I believe his situation was similar to yours, in

that you both quit the drugs cold turkey and you are both young men. Cold

turkey withdrawal is really, really hard on the system. You need to be VERY

patient with your healing process and take VERY good care of yourself.

Don't worry about trying whatever new herb or supplement you read about.

You don't want to confuse your body even further by trying all sorts of new

things. has told you and your mother exactly what you need to do

with supplements, etc., to support your body during this phase. This

information is tried and true. Review it with your mom and remind yourself

that you need to give this stuff time to do its work.

It really does take time. Just hang in there and hang in there some more.

There are people in this group who can tell you all about the patience that

is required, as well as the results that patience and good care can deliver.

Experience has shown that people who have gone through abrupt withdrawal

benefit greatly from large amounts of colloidal trace minerals (as in the

SupraLife Mineral Toddy). Work up to about three ounces a day, and you will

begin to see a difference. Again, time is the key, along with replenishing

your system and protecting your nervous system from stimulation.

Protecting the nervous system from stimulation is especially important. Your

nervous sytem has been outraged by these drugs and the abrupt withdrawal.

It needs to rest in order to heal.

Here is a list of things that can be overstimulating and should be avoided:

Loud music, especially rock and heavy metal.

Active and/or violent movies and tv shows, like cop dramas and action

flicks.

Fluorescent lighting--found in most stores and offices. (Try wearing

sunglasses to shop--it helps.)

Any overly bright artificial lighting. Keep the lights dimmer at home and

make sure you're not catching direct glimpses of the bulbs (that flash can

be disruptive without even noticing it).

Crowded places (both visual and auditory stimulation).

Places where sounds tend to echo or become amplified.

Loud voices in general. Even a firm speaking voice can create a problem

before you know it in a conversation. Keep your voice low and others will

tend to follow your lead.

Background humming of machinery. We seldom become aware of it, yet its

constant presence can be very fatiguing (the noisy fan on my computer is an

example).

You get my drift here, I'm sure. Anything that provides auditory and visual

stimulation can be overstimulating to a struggling nervous system. Other

senses are less apt to be disturbed by everyday occurrences, since it seems

that most overstimulation cames from light and sound in our world these

days. Still, you can safeguard your other senses too (for example, I prefer

to wear loose-fitting cotton clothing, and I avoid that stinky detergent

aisle in the supermarket). Pay attention to how sensory input impacts on

you, and work from there.

Your need for these precautions won't last forever. However, they serve a

very important purpose during this phase of your recovery.

The guidelines I've outlined here--patience, sticking to a solid supplement

regimen to support the body, more patience, avoiding stimulation--are

important for everyone in withdrawal and recovery.

Hang in there, Nate. This WILL get better. You have the support of

everyone on this list.

Warm blessings,

Kim

[Guest guest]

Hi Nate

Glad to hear your update although your account of bones popping etc is both alarming and funny at the same time [sorry about that last remark!].

I would think that a very simple easy exercise schedule might be the best to undertake..........something very simple and not exhausting.

Walking is surely one of the best exercises we can

all do concentrating on breathing as you walk - something like in, 1, 2 3 4 intime with steps and then exhale to a count of 4.

Non-weight bearing exercise is good if you can motivate yourself - some simple stretching exercises not over-doing anything or pushing anything should help start galvanising those muscles into doing their work.

I would expect someone on this site could point you in the direction of an exercise site or perhaps you can remember some of the stuff you did at school?

Exercise is a good lifter of moods anyway!

Good Luck Nate............I am sure your body will improve as you overcome all the effects of these drugs.

Enid G

Updating

Hey I just wanted to say how I was doing. My neck andlegs and everything still feel like they haven'trecovered since bowling and my muscles are really laxand flabby. All of my joints are so loose and painfuland popping even my elbows are popping now. I stand upand just about everything pops but it doesn't alwayspop into place. Some joints even feel dislocated b/cmy muscles aren't tight enough to hold them together.Everything feel so messed up. I feel like a bag ofbones. Why would this be? Is there anything I can doto stiffen them up? Thanks. Nate__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Dear Nate,

You said:

<<Hey I just wanted to say how I was doing. My neck and

legs and everything still feel like they haven't

recovered since bowling and my muscles are really lax

and flabby. All of my joints are so loose and painful

and popping even my elbows are popping now. I stand up

and just about everything pops but it doesn't always

pop into place. Some joints even feel dislocated b/c

my muscles aren't tight enough to hold them together.

Everything feel so messed up. I feel like a bag of

bones. Why would this be? Is there anything I can do

to stiffen them up? Thanks.>>

** How about a full update? I don't know how the things I've recently

recommended are working for you. What are you taking? In what amounts?

Did you take the Benedryl? Did it help?

What amount of liquid vitamins and trace minerals are you taking now?

Thanks.

Regards,