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Hi all -

My first post and let me thank you all for a great list. My

condolences to Maurice's family and friends. I've been reading the

list from the begining for the last few weeks and his posts have been

invaluable.

I've quite the novice at this stuff but I have learned a lot in the

last few months. I've got a lot of experience with oral supplements

and body building/shaping but not much with skin care. I'm a guy, so

go figure ;)

Anyway, in my quest to make various products, I came across one that

had me perplexed. It's called " icy Heat spray " from zen zone.

It's a light crystal clear liquid spray with the obvious extracts/oils

to be used as sort of like " ben gay " ointment for muscle aches and

inflamation of tendons etc.

They don't list the ingredients on their website but on the bottle the

only things listed are water (first) then oils and extracts - mostly

oils. I know a little about emulsification and hope to learn much much

more, but there are no emulsifiers in the product - at least from what

the label says.

On their website they say " We've infused White Willow Bark with

Eucalyptus Oil in an easy to use spray. " But that's it. Those are only

2 of about 8 oils.

So my question is, how do they do it? Is it possible that there are

some emulsifiers that don't require label listing? Or if they used an

" infusion " of WW bark extract and Eucalytpus oil, then added it to

their product, the emulsifiers in that " infusion " don't need to be

listed? Or possibly is peppermint oil an emulsifier? (kidding... sort

of...)

Thanks all - and great list

Mark

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