Re: a few questions

[Guest guest]

i also remember glitteri and others saying that the healing process stops at two years. if that is the case i would like to know that so i dont get disappointed. i know everybody is different, just does that seem to be the case.

and i know glitteri (sorry about spelling) healing at other times, but stopped at two years for a while.

The withdrawals from paxil lasted more than two years for me, and I do mean fullblown withdrawal that I had to deal with every day. I got better for a while, then got worse, it's all related to stress, and a variety of other externals. For God's sake, WHY are you eating junk food? What's the point of trying to recover from these drugs if you're pumping your body full of toxins?? Sheesh.

"Blind Reason"

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[Guest guest]

" im finally getting rid of that wierd sexual feelings that made

masterbation so

common. my penis and legs have burned since coming off almost 2

years ago.

maybe once i stop this, it will get better. also notice that when i

masterbate

my teeth get more sensitive, like they were for a while. sorry about

posting

this, its pretty gross, but it has been a " weird " symptom from paxil

i have been

dealing with. im sure im not the only one. i have heard others talk

about it. "

You're lucky, when I do it hair grows on my palms and I get

temporarily blind:)

>

> i have the ultra boddy toddy that i bought a year ago. can i

still use it? i think my system can handle it better now.

>

> i am still not sleeping when i want to. been trying to do this

since july. i am getting to bed between 12:30 and 2 every night. i

set my alarm for 8, but usually dont get up until 9:30 or 10. im

still in that out of it phase when i wake up so i dont realize whats

going on and fall back asleep. i even set my alarm away from me so

that i have to move. this is def. a drug related symptom because i

never was like this before. i am going to go buy another alarm

clock to see if that will work like catherine suggested. i hope

that i havent waited to long for my healing process to be hurt.

>

> im finally getting rid of that wierd sexual feelings that made

masterbation so common. my penis and legs have burned since coming

off almost 2 years ago. maybe once i stop this, it will get

better. also notice that when i masterbate my teeth get more

sensitive, like they were for a while. sorry about posting this,

its pretty gross, but it has been a " weird " symptom from paxil i

have been dealing with. im sure im not the only one. i have heard

others talk about it.

>

> i have also started eating junk food more because my body can

handle better it now. and just like the sleep, masterbation things

i seemily do things and then realize why did i do that? and keep

making the same mistakes without caring much at the time. but,

caring afterwards. again, i wasnt like that before the drugs-- i

was kind of a control freak. i think it has something to do with me

being so out of it. i can see though that im starting to be more

aware of decisions when i make them. its that weird thing catherine

that i talked about that happened about a year ago when i noticed i

wasnt getting up to the alarm clock because i was so unaware. was

that part of the healing process or what?

>

> also i was such a stubborn person when i first had this happen to

me that i was going to keep going, be really whinny and " this did

not happen to me " , and not let it get the best of me or really

respond to it-- probably got that from my mom. that i have been a

bad influence on my own recovery. some of it is not my fault like me

being stressed. when your so hypersensitive thats going to happen.

other parts are more my fault like my constant neg. thinking which

probably put more stress on my brain. the other things like sleep,

eating (which i did improve a lot from basically eating junk food,

but isnt to the level it should be), not putting myself in the most

non-stressed environments and trying to keep up with everyone else

are a combination of my fault and things not much in my control.

>

> i guess i think im finally ready to do whats necessary for

whatever reason now when its already been almost 2 years. not that

i havent done anything before, just not nearly what i should have

been doing.

> and my thought with this is how much did i halt my own progression

in recovery?

> i guess i will probably never know and it really bothers me. i am

really disappointed in myself for what i didnt do.

>

> i also remember glitteri and others saying that the healing

process stops at two years. if that is the case i would like to

know that so i dont get disappointed. i know everybody is

different, just does that seem to be the case.

> and i know glitteri (sorry about spelling) healing at other times,

but stopped at two years for a while.

[Guest guest]

thanks glitterari i needed that. i dont know what the hell im doing. common

sense hasnt been my strong suit for a while. my mind is getting somewhat

clearer so i see that. there has been a lot of talk on here that you just dont

think right and i def. fall into that category.

i do buy some organic food, but most of it is too expensive for me. i also eat

good after i go grocery shoping like i did tonight. but, i can only do that

once in a while. the rest of the time its my parents cooking and groceries.

where processed food is the norm. my mom only buys the cheap stuff.

glitterari you said you healed after two years so thats why im asking because

two years is coming up for me.

glitterari you want to take it easy in on the newbies. i know your just trying

to help, but they may think your coming after them. you dont trust many people

after this happens and you get defensive. usually everybody you trusted family,

friends, doctors tell you your worthless and or a liar.

> In a message dated 12/16/04 3:06:28 PM Mountain Standard Time,

> grabar5@y... writes:

>

>

> > i also remember glitteri and others saying that the healing process stops

> > at two years. if that is the case i would like to know that so i dont get

> > disappointed. i know everybody is different, just does that seem to be the

> > case.

> > and i know glitteri (sorry about spelling) healing at other times, but

> > stopped at two years for a while.

> >

> >

> The withdrawals from paxil lasted more than two years for me, and I do mean

> fullblown withdrawal that I had to deal with every day. I got better for a

> while, then got worse, it's all related to stress, and a variety of other

> externals. For God's sake, WHY are you eating junk food? What's the point of

trying

> to recover from these drugs if you're pumping your body full of toxins??

> Sheesh.

>

>

> " Blind Reason "

> a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

> Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

> Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

Hi J,

The healing process does not stop at 2 years i have made good strides past the 2 years the unreal feeling has deminished.I finaly excepted that i have to except who i am now and once i did that i have been getting so much better.I still have some burning with my insides but even that has gotten a bit better to the point i feel like i am not going to die of it.Food is another matter I still cant eat properly but i will be going to see a holistic doctor in the next couple of weeks.I spoke to him on the phone and he said i need enzymes he also said that i am alergic to something but have not figured out what it is.He said he should be able to figure out what it is.So there is hope for me to get even better than i am now.One more thing your doing great now you have come a long way and I would like to give you a bit of advice i was given by glitter start excepting yourself for who you are now it takes a long time to do that but you will be glad you did.It took me about 6 months so it's a process all in itself.

Hugs Ros

[Guest guest]

glitterari you said you healed after two years so thats why im asking because two years is coming up for me.

I did reach a plateau after two years, but that was when the worst of the withdrawals had subsided. Thereafter, I continued to make progess in a zigzag fashion, getting better then worse, better then worse, then finally getting to a place where I've learned to accept and work around the lingering side effects and not stress out because I have them. If you continue to spend all your energy trying to get back to your pre-drug life, you may be disappointed, because you might not get completely "there" and it's immensely liberating to let go of that image of yourself and learn to accept who you are now, which is the only thing that counts. Remember, it's been 7 years since I took Paxil. I cannot do many things that I could do before, but I've learned to accept that and find other ways of being fulfilled. Once I gave up on the struggle to regain my former self, the pall of despair and disappointment lifted like a fog. That's not to say that I don't mourn all I've lost, but after so much time I've even moved through that phase. As for eating, sounds like your mom could use some lessons in eating for nutrition and not eating just to eat or fill a void. Maybe you could help her. Simple meals of veggies and some protein, some complex carbs, and lots of fruit and salad are so much better than eating packaged food, even if it's NOT organic stuff that you buy. The chemicals and preservatives that are in junkfood will only harm you in the end, and I know you don't want that.

I wasn't going "after" Mike, just his opinion that the drugs are not responsible for longterm damage or lingering side effects, when we all know that they are because of the structural damage they cause to our brains. To shift away from the culprit (the drugs) of our problems to our own underlying "genetic predisposition" just didn't make any sense to me, and it's a dangerous platform, in my opinion, it IS something that Big Pharma promotes, as in "don't blame our drugs, you were crazy to begin with." Unless a person has a clearcut understanding of how damaging these drugs are, they will always resort to these drugs rather than finding other coping mechanisms to deal with life's challenges in a headon fashion.

"Blind Reason"

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

Dear Ros,

Hey! It's good to hear from you. :-) We've missed you.

You said:

<<The healing process does not stop at 2 years i have made good strides past

the 2 years the unreal feeling has deminished.I finaly excepted that i have

to except who i am now and once i did that i have been getting so much

better.I still have some burning with my insides but even that has gotten a

bit better to the point i feel like i am not going to die of it.Food is

another matter I still cant eat properly but i will be going to see a

holistic doctor in the next couple of weeks.I spoke to him on the phone and

he said i need enzymes he also said that i am alergic to something but have

not figured out what it is>>

** When people are lacking enzymes and cannot properly digest food, these

foods become toxins in their bodies. This is where " allergies " come from.

As your digestion improves you will find yourself no longer " allergic " to

these substances.

A part of digestive difficulties is the malfunction of the small and

large bowel. This also makes digestion sluggish. Bowel health must be

addressed when addressing gastric motility and allergies. Vit C, Vit B12,

pantothenic acid, biotin and bifido bacterium and lactobacillus. This is

where Garden of Life products work well--Primal Defense or Fungal Defense.

http://www.primaldefense.net/primaldefcap.htm

http://www.primaldefense.net/fungaldefense.htm

Every disorder in your body affects something else when allowed to

become chronic. Chronic bowel dysfunction affects the immune system.

For people with digestive difficulties I've found OmegaZyme from Garden

of Life to be effective.

http://www.primaldefense.net/omegazyme.htm

The recovery will not happen overnight but will take months. Depending on

the degree of damage (damage to digestion can occur from improper

diet--i.e., not enough fresh vegetables--or from pharmaceutical

drugs--antibiotics and antifungal drugs, psychotropic drugs, and, most of

all, drugs given for digestion) it can take from a couple of weeks to

several months of treatment to begin seeing any changes. It's important to

stick with the treatment. The #1 mistake made by people who have been

harmed by psychotropic drugs is to give up too early on in the treatment.

Ayurvedic herbal treatment is also quite effective.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

I get scared that I am suddenly just going to lose it. I can't concentrate on the people around me and get really bad hot flashes and a feeling of impedding doom. Do you just ride it out or what?

Dear Bo: I had this same problem when I got off Paxil. A therapist I saw taught me how to shift focus when it happens so that it doesn't turn into something far worse. The minute you feel these "i'm going to lose it" feelings, immediately think of some pleasant memory, count backwards, or take a dozen deep breaths while thinking of the best time you ever had in your life. There are all kinds of ways to interrupt this impending doom thing if you catch it in the very beginning before it takes on a life of its own.

"Blind Reason"

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

i am in the process of accepting that i should stop trying to get back to where

i was before i took drugs. i think part of the problem i personally had with

the drug symptoms is i never really felt all that good before the drugs. then

too have this happen. it really got me negetive and panicky. i was working so

hard to figure out how to manage anxiety and not really ever feeling good. then

put the bad symptoms from the drugs and not fully recovering on top of that. i

didnt know what to do. its not an easy thing to ask a human being. i feel like

my life is worthless for me.

i realized tonight why i eat junk food again. my brain was burning and i was

getting agitated and feeling pretty hypersensitive. i went and had two

chocolate things my mom baked and i felt a lot better. im still pretty carb

(junk food, sugar) whatever you want to call it. i ate healthy all day today

and thats probably what caused it.

oh and catherine do you think i can take ultra boddy toddy if its a year old.

well, off to bed.

j

- In Withdrawal_and_Recovery , glitterari@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/16/04 10:46:51 PM Mountain Standard Time, grabar5@yaho

> o.com writes:

>

>

> > glitterari you said you healed after two years so thats why im asking

> > because two years is coming up for me.

> >

>

> I did reach a plateau after two years, but that was when the worst of the

> withdrawals had subsided. Thereafter, I continued to make progess in a zigzag

> fashion, getting better then worse, better then worse, then finally getting to

a

> place where I've learned to accept and work around the lingering side effects

> and not stress out because I have them. If you continue to spend all your

> energy trying to get back to your pre-drug life, you may be disappointed,

> because you might not get completely " there " and it's immensely liberating to

let go

> of that image of yourself and learn to accept who you are now, which is the

> only thing that counts. Remember, it's been 7 years since I took Paxil. I

> cannot do many things that I could do before, but I've learned to accept that

and

> find other ways of being fulfilled. Once I gave up on the struggle to regain

> my former self, the pall of despair and disappointment lifted like a fog.

> That's not to say that I don't mourn all I've lost, but after so much time

I've

> even moved through that phase. As for eating, sounds like your mom could use

> some lessons in eating for nutrition and not eating just to eat or fill a

> void. Maybe you could help her. Simple meals of veggies and some protein,

some

> complex carbs, and lots of fruit and salad are so much better than eating

> packaged food, even if it's NOT organic stuff that you buy. The chemicals and

> preservatives that are in junkfood will only harm you in the end, and I know

you

> don't want that.

>

> I wasn't going " after " Mike, just his opinion that the drugs are not

> responsible for longterm damage or lingering side effects, when we all know

that they

> are because of the structural damage they cause to our brains. To shift away

> from the culprit (the drugs) of our problems to our own underlying " genetic

> predisposition " just didn't make any sense to me, and it's a dangerous

platform,

> in my opinion, it IS something that Big Pharma promotes, as in " don't blame

> our drugs, you were crazy to begin with. " Unless a person has a clearcut

> understanding of how damaging these drugs are, they will always resort to

these

> drugs rather than finding other coping mechanisms to deal with life's

challenges

> in a headon fashion.

>

>

> " Blind Reason "

> a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

> Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

> Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

<<oh and catherine do you think i can take ultra boddy toddy if its a year

old.>>

** As long as it's been refrigerated, , it should be fine.

C

[Guest guest]

i did take the ultra boddy toddy the past few days and i think its helping. i

feel a bit better.

it says it has mag. in it so i dont need to go get that do i?

do you suggest anything else specifically for me?

j

--

- In Withdrawal_and_Recovery , " C Creel " <ccreel@r...> wrote:

> <<oh and catherine do you think i can take ultra boddy toddy if its a year

> old.>>

>

> ** As long as it's been refrigerated, , it should be fine.

>

> C

[Guest guest]

>

> i did take the ultra boddy toddy the past few days and i think its

helping. i feel a bit better.

> it says it has mag. in it so i dont need to go get that do i?

> do you suggest anything else specifically for me?

Hi ,

I'm relaying 's advice here:

Yes, you do need to get magnesium, because the Ultra Body Toddy

doesn't have very much in it. Don't worry, you won't be getting too

much.

As far as what else you should be doing...you need fish oil and

mineral toddy (colloidal trace minerals). These products make a real

difference--you'll be glad you did it.

Warmly,

Kim

[Guest guest]

> >

> > i did take the ultra boddy toddy the past few days and i think its

> helping. i feel a bit better.

> > it says it has mag. in it so i dont need to go get that do i?

> > do you suggest anything else specifically for me?

>

>

> Hi ,

>

>

> I'm relaying 's advice here:

>

> Yes, you do need to get magnesium, because the Ultra Body Toddy

> doesn't have very much in it. Don't worry, you won't be getting too

> much.

>

> As far as what else you should be doing...you need fish oil and

> mineral toddy (colloidal trace minerals). These products make a real

> difference--you'll be glad you did it.

>

> Warmly,

> Kim

[Guest guest]

<<fish oils? how do they make these?>>

Ever squeezed a fish?

Sorry....um, I'm not really sure how they actually make the fish oil. They are body oils from deep cold water fish. It's absolutely the best source for Omega-3 fatty acids, which our bodies desperately need for healing and maintaining our nervous systems.

We used to be able to get our essential fatty acids from the meat animals we ate, but now that almost no supermarket meat animals eat a natural diet, the balance is all off. Fish oil is the only readily available good source of properly balanced EFAs.

Some fish oils are better than others. Recommendations are in the Files. I use Carlson's--the lemon flavored one is very palatable. (Remember that fish oils have to be refrigerated.)

Fish oil makes a huge difference if taken for a while. I consider it an essential part of my daily intake.

Kim

[Guest guest]

I totally agree. They make a big difference and I also second taking

Carlson's brand in the liquid form. All the crappy brands in the

stores didn't do anything for me.

Casey

> > >

> > > i did take the ultra boddy toddy the past few days and i

think its

> > helping. i feel a bit better.

> > > it says it has mag. in it so i dont need to go get that do i?

> > > do you suggest anything else specifically for me?

> >

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> >

> > I'm relaying 's advice here:

> >

> > Yes, you do need to get magnesium, because the Ultra Body Toddy

> > doesn't have very much in it. Don't worry, you won't be getting

too

> > much.

> >

> > As far as what else you should be doing...you need fish oil and

> > mineral toddy (colloidal trace minerals). These products make a

real

> > difference--you'll be glad you did it.

> >

> > Warmly,

> > Kim

[Guest guest]

--

the reason i asked is because i thought fish were full of so much crap from the

oceans.

oh and were is the best place to buy the magnesium at the cheapest price. i

thought mag. was the one vitamin source where i didnt matter where you got it.

- In Withdrawal_and_Recovery , " " <kdenise@r...>

wrote:

> <<fish oils? how do they make these?>>

>

>

> Ever squeezed a fish?

>

>

> Sorry....um, I'm not really sure how they actually make the fish oil. They

are body oils from deep cold water fish. It's absolutely the best source for

Omega-3 fatty acids, which our bodies desperately need for healing and

maintaining our nervous systems.

>

>

> We used to be able to get our essential fatty acids from the meat animals we

ate, but now that almost no supermarket meat animals eat a natural diet, the

balance is all off. Fish oil is the only readily available good source of

properly balanced EFAs.

>

>

> Some fish oils are better than others. Recommendations are in the Files. I

use Carlson's--the lemon flavored one is very palatable. (Remember that fish

oils have to be refrigerated.)

>

>

> Fish oil makes a huge difference if taken for a while. I consider it an

essential part of my daily intake.

>

>

> Kim

[Guest guest]

<<fish oils? how do they make these?>>

** Steam-processed. All impurities are removed.

C

[Guest guest]

<<Fish oil makes a huge difference if taken for a while. I consider it an

essential part of my daily intake.>>

It IS an essential part of everyone's diet--omega-3 fatty acids, an

essential fatty acid (EFA). There is very little of it available now that

our meat donors are fed grain. Farmed fish are fed some grains, too. They

are givien fish oil as a supplement because they produce too little being

fed a diet inappropriate fro them. Also, now meats that are deeply

discounted in stores like WalMart are this way because the animals have been

fed ground up fish.

C

[Guest guest]

<<the reason i asked is because i thought fish were full of so much crap

from the oceans.>>

** It's purified.

<<oh and were is the best place to buy the magnesium at the cheapest price.

i thought mag. was the one vitamin source where i didnt matter where you got

it.>>

* It all matters. If you buy dirt cheap magnesium you'll be lucky to

assimilate 20% of it.

A decent one at a reasonable price is GNC. You can find types in our

articles on magnesium.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

i will go pick up the magnesium tonight. where should i go get the fish oil

from?

should i be concerned of any interactions from mag., fish oils, and ultra boddy

toddy?

thank you

j

- In Withdrawal_and_Recovery , " C Creel " <ccreel@r...> wrote:

> <<the reason i asked is because i thought fish were full of so much crap

> from the oceans.>>

>

> ** It's purified.

>

>

> <<oh and were is the best place to buy the magnesium at the cheapest price.

> i thought mag. was the one vitamin source where i didnt matter where you got

> it.>>

>

>

> * It all matters. If you buy dirt cheap magnesium you'll be lucky to

> assimilate 20% of it.

>

> A decent one at a reasonable price is GNC. You can find types in our

> articles on magnesium.

>

> Regards,

>

[Guest guest]

i will go pick up the magnesium tonight. where should i go get the fish oil

from?

should i be concerned of any interactions from mag., fish oils, and ultra boddy

toddy?

thank you

j

- In Withdrawal_and_Recovery , " C Creel " <ccreel@r...> wrote:

> <<the reason i asked is because i thought fish were full of so much crap

> from the oceans.>>

>

> ** It's purified.

>

>

> <<oh and were is the best place to buy the magnesium at the cheapest price.

> i thought mag. was the one vitamin source where i didnt matter where you got

> it.>>

>

>

> * It all matters. If you buy dirt cheap magnesium you'll be lucky to

> assimilate 20% of it.

>

> A decent one at a reasonable price is GNC. You can find types in our

> articles on magnesium.

>

> Regards,

>

[Guest guest]

You can get the fish oil at any natural food store. Definitely get the Carlson's if you can--it's a liquid, which is more assimilable.

You don't have to worry about the mag, fish oil, and body toddy. I've taken all three together for years. Actually, I take fish oil and multi in the morining, and I take mag and the Mineral Toddy (which you should also get as soon as you possibly can) before bed. I love this combination.

Kim

i will go pick up the magnesium tonight. where should i go get the fish oil from?should i be concerned of any interactions from mag., fish oils, and ultra boddy toddy?