Re: OT: Armour and Testing thyroid (was) OT: thyroid test

[Guest guest]

OOPS!I wrote: I have also heard those on Armour start doing much better at 3 grains (240 mg) or above..

I meant to say: I have also heard those on Armour start doing much better at 3 grains (180 mg) or above...

Jim

> >> > *Sublingual is great for Armour.  If you are taking T3 only, you don't have> > to worry about food.  From what I recall..........only T4 binds to calcium,

> > iron, etc.> > > > If want your doc to prescribe more T3 and you are on Armour, and he thinks> > your blood work looks fine....you can stop your armour a few days before

> > labs and your FT3 will drop fast, but your FT4 will stay up.> > > > I don't agree with waiting 6 weeks to adjust a thyroid dosage -even though> > it takes a while for T4 to build.  This would mean, if you start off at 1/2

> > a grain and increase every 6 weeks it would take 6 months to reach 2 grains> > (and many people are on 3 or 4). This is crazy.  Increase every two weeks -> > as soon as you feel any hypER symptoms (such as shakiness, racing heart,

> > moodiness, etc). Just don't take your meds for the next day or two, and go> > back to the previous dose.  The 6 week protocol is classical medical> > training and can often leave people undertreated.

> > > > One of the first docs I saw - who understood thyroid / adrenal issues, has> > all his patients go up every two weeks.  He also said that many times people> > feel worse at the 1-2 grain dosage, because their own thyroid gland (once

> > starting on meds) will take a rest and let the meds do the work - so you> > basically go backwards.  He said at that point, many people will think " Oh,> > I'm feeling worse, I don't like this med or dosage " , but it's because they

> > need more. If you hang out there for 6 weeks, you'll be really miserable and> > put your thyroid gland under more stress.> > > > Of course, your adrenals need to be able to handle all this thyroid

> > supplementation.> > > > L> > *> >>

[Guest guest]

Jim, Jim, JimYou don't need to be tested as you titrate up - just go by your symptoms.  You can also stop Synthroid several days or even a week before a draw.  Your T3 will drop faster than T4 and it will look like you're not converting well - then you may ask for some Cytomel - or at the least a higher dose of Synthroid.

I think you can use a Mexican doc for about $50 and get a prescription for whatever. Maybe you will be a good converter and Synthroid will work good for you.  You are probably sleeping better, though, because you are not converting to too much T3 which can increase insomnia.

L

 

The only thing ,

Here it would be impossible to persuade these docs to test every two weeks...

I do understand your thinking it would take a long time to get up to 2 grains (120 mg) of

Armour testing every six weeks, but all of these docs here use that time table for testing...

I have also heard those on Armour start doing much better at 3 grains (240 mg) or above.

I will keep in mind what you say about stopping the Armour days before if I ever get

Armour again! Just about every doc in my area using Synthroid and TSH... How antiquated..

Jim

>

> *Sublingual is great for Armour. If you are taking T3 only, you don't have

> to worry about food. From what I recall..........only T4 binds to calcium,

> iron, etc.

>

> If want your doc to prescribe more T3 and you are on Armour, and he thinks

> your blood work looks fine....you can stop your armour a few days before

> labs and your FT3 will drop fast, but your FT4 will stay up.

>

> I don't agree with waiting 6 weeks to adjust a thyroid dosage -even though

> it takes a while for T4 to build. This would mean, if you start off at 1/2

> a grain and increase every 6 weeks it would take 6 months to reach 2 grains

> (and many people are on 3 or 4). This is crazy. Increase every two weeks -

> as soon as you feel any hypER symptoms (such as shakiness, racing heart,

> moodiness, etc). Just don't take your meds for the next day or two, and go

> back to the previous dose. The 6 week protocol is classical medical

> training and can often leave people undertreated.

>

> One of the first docs I saw - who understood thyroid / adrenal issues, has

> all his patients go up every two weeks. He also said that many times people

> feel worse at the 1-2 grain dosage, because their own thyroid gland (once

> starting on meds) will take a rest and let the meds do the work - so you

> basically go backwards. He said at that point, many people will think " Oh,

> I'm feeling worse, I don't like this med or dosage " , but it's because they

> need more. If you hang out there for 6 weeks, you'll be really miserable and

> put your thyroid gland under more stress.

>

> Of course, your adrenals need to be able to handle all this thyroid

> supplementation.

>

> L

> *

>

[Guest guest]

I was reading on stop the thyroid madness last night because I think I need

either adrenal support or thyroid. Not sure which one yet. A nyway I found a

site that sells thiroyd and thyroid-s without a prescription. It is

edrugnet.com. I am going to order 120 grains but I can't remember the price but

wasn't too much. Is anyone using isocort to support their adrenals? I have

some but don't know for sure how long to use it and when to add in the

thyroid-s. Yours, Ann

> > >

> > > *Sublingual is great for Armour. If you are taking T3 only, you don't

> > have

> > > to worry about food. From what I recall..........only T4 binds to

> > calcium,

> > > iron, etc.

> > >

> > > If want your doc to prescribe more T3 and you are on Armour, and he

> > thinks

> > > your blood work looks fine....you can stop your armour a few days before

> > > labs and your FT3 will drop fast, but your FT4 will stay up.

> > >

> > > I don't agree with waiting 6 weeks to adjust a thyroid dosage -even

> > though

> > > it takes a while for T4 to build. This would mean, if you start off at

> > 1/2

> > > a grain and increase every 6 weeks it would take 6 months to reach 2

> > grains

> > > (and many people are on 3 or 4). This is crazy. Increase every two weeks

> > -

> > > as soon as you feel any hypER symptoms (such as shakiness, racing heart,

> > > moodiness, etc). Just don't take your meds for the next day or two, and

> > go

> > > back to the previous dose. The 6 week protocol is classical medical

> > > training and can often leave people undertreated.

> > >

> > > One of the first docs I saw - who understood thyroid / adrenal issues,

> > has

> > > all his patients go up every two weeks. He also said that many times

> > people

> > > feel worse at the 1-2 grain dosage, because their own thyroid gland (once

> > > starting on meds) will take a rest and let the meds do the work - so you

> > > basically go backwards. He said at that point, many people will think

> > " Oh,

> > > I'm feeling worse, I don't like this med or dosage " , but it's because

> > they

> > > need more. If you hang out there for 6 weeks, you'll be really miserable

> > and

> > > put your thyroid gland under more stress.

> > >

> > > Of course, your adrenals need to be able to handle all this thyroid

> > > supplementation.

> > >

> > > L

> > > *

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Do you mean you can get a mexican doc on line and get a prescription for

$50.00?? I didn't know this but have heard lots of people saying they get

their meds online. I could use a doc. that believes that I really have lyme

disease or at least pretend and prescribe the meds that I need. Thanks, Ann

> > >

> > > *Sublingual is great for Armour. If you are taking T3 only, you don't

> > have

> > > to worry about food. From what I recall..........only T4 binds to

> > calcium,

> > > iron, etc.

> > >

> > > If want your doc to prescribe more T3 and you are on Armour, and he

> > thinks

> > > your blood work looks fine....you can stop your armour a few days before

> > > labs and your FT3 will drop fast, but your FT4 will stay up.

> > >

> > > I don't agree with waiting 6 weeks to adjust a thyroid dosage -even

> > though

> > > it takes a while for T4 to build. This would mean, if you start off at

> > 1/2

> > > a grain and increase every 6 weeks it would take 6 months to reach 2

> > grains

> > > (and many people are on 3 or 4). This is crazy. Increase every two weeks

> > -

> > > as soon as you feel any hypER symptoms (such as shakiness, racing heart,

> > > moodiness, etc). Just don't take your meds for the next day or two, and

> > go

> > > back to the previous dose. The 6 week protocol is classical medical

> > > training and can often leave people undertreated.

> > >

> > > One of the first docs I saw - who understood thyroid / adrenal issues,

> > has

> > > all his patients go up every two weeks. He also said that many times

> > people

> > > feel worse at the 1-2 grain dosage, because their own thyroid gland (once

> > > starting on meds) will take a rest and let the meds do the work - so you

> > > basically go backwards. He said at that point, many people will think

> > " Oh,

> > > I'm feeling worse, I don't like this med or dosage " , but it's because

> > they

> > > need more. If you hang out there for 6 weeks, you'll be really miserable

> > and

> > > put your thyroid gland under more stress.

> > >

> > > Of course, your adrenals need to be able to handle all this thyroid

> > > supplementation.

> > >

> > > L

> > > *

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ann,  I just wanted to let you know that I have ordered with that site before.  They arrived in a few weeks and seemed to be what they said. Those things can be sketchy, but some times you dont feel like you have a choice, so I thought I'd at least let you know my experience. I ordered the same Thyroid-s last summer. I think it was 120 pills for $20, I would order again if I were in a jam. I would hold off on the isocort until you have an adrenal test, specifically because our recent conversation on steroids and Lyme (i think isocort is basically the same as cortef).  I was CONVINCED low adrenals was my problem and almost ordered the cortef-- I'm very glad I didnt!

Whitney

 

I was reading on stop the thyroid madness last night because I think I need either adrenal support or thyroid. Not sure which one yet. A nyway I found a site that sells thiroyd and thyroid-s without a prescription. It is edrugnet.com. I am going to order 120 grains but I can't remember the price but wasn't too much. Is anyone using isocort to support their adrenals? I have some but don't know for sure how long to use it and when to add in the thyroid-s. Yours, Ann

> > >

> > > *Sublingual is great for Armour. If you are taking T3 only, you don't

> > have

> > > to worry about food. From what I recall..........only T4 binds to

> > calcium,

> > > iron, etc.

> > >

> > > If want your doc to prescribe more T3 and you are on Armour, and he

> > thinks

> > > your blood work looks fine....you can stop your armour a few days before

> > > labs and your FT3 will drop fast, but your FT4 will stay up.

> > >

> > > I don't agree with waiting 6 weeks to adjust a thyroid dosage -even

> > though

> > > it takes a while for T4 to build. This would mean, if you start off at

> > 1/2

> > > a grain and increase every 6 weeks it would take 6 months to reach 2

> > grains

> > > (and many people are on 3 or 4). This is crazy. Increase every two weeks

> > -

> > > as soon as you feel any hypER symptoms (such as shakiness, racing heart,

> > > moodiness, etc). Just don't take your meds for the next day or two, and

> > go

> > > back to the previous dose. The 6 week protocol is classical medical

> > > training and can often leave people undertreated.

> > >

> > > One of the first docs I saw - who understood thyroid / adrenal issues,

> > has

> > > all his patients go up every two weeks. He also said that many times

> > people

> > > feel worse at the 1-2 grain dosage, because their own thyroid gland (once

> > > starting on meds) will take a rest and let the meds do the work - so you

> > > basically go backwards. He said at that point, many people will think

> > " Oh,

> > > I'm feeling worse, I don't like this med or dosage " , but it's because

> > they

> > > need more. If you hang out there for 6 weeks, you'll be really miserable

> > and

> > > put your thyroid gland under more stress.

> > >

> > > Of course, your adrenals need to be able to handle all this thyroid

> > > supplementation.

> > >

> > > L

> > > *

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

-- Whitney Schmucker

[Guest guest]

I have bought thyroid meds online from a Mexican pharmacy (with

no prescription). It was $50 for what amounted to a 3 month supply for me of

thyroid and I think it was about the same for the cortisol (which I think was

from Canada). It’s the exact same meds they sell here, just in the ‘Mexican’ or

‘Canadian’ bottles. Cynomel is Mexico’s version of Cytomel and to me the Cynomel

is actually a bit stronger! I got them more as a backup than for my regular

supply.

So, you don’t need a doc. You just need to know what you want

to get! I use this as a last resort type of thing if you can’t find a doc here

to give you what you need. Just ALWAYS be careful and monitor your symptoms!

From:

Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On

Behalf Of Ann

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:40 AM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Re: OT: Armour and Testing thyroid (was) OT:

thyroid test

Hi ,

Do you mean you can get a mexican doc on line and get a prescription for

$50.00?? I didn't know this but have heard lots of people saying they get their

meds online. I could use a doc. that believes that I really have lyme disease

or at least pretend and prescribe the meds that I need. Thanks, Ann

> > >

> > > *Sublingual is great for Armour. If you are taking T3 only, you

don't

> > have

> > > to worry about food. From what I recall..........only T4 binds

to

> > calcium,

> > > iron, etc.

> > >

> > > If want your doc to prescribe more T3 and you are on Armour, and

he

> > thinks

> > > your blood work looks fine....you can stop your armour a few

days before

> > > labs and your FT3 will drop fast, but your FT4 will stay up.

> > >

> > > I don't agree with waiting 6 weeks to adjust a thyroid dosage

-even

> > though

> > > it takes a while for T4 to build. This would mean, if you start

off at

> > 1/2

> > > a grain and increase every 6 weeks it would take 6 months to

reach 2

> > grains

> > > (and many people are on 3 or 4). This is crazy. Increase every

two weeks

> > -

> > > as soon as you feel any hypER symptoms (such as shakiness,

racing heart,

> > > moodiness, etc). Just don't take your meds for the next day or

two, and

> > go

> > > back to the previous dose. The 6 week protocol is classical

medical

> > > training and can often leave people undertreated.

> > >

> > > One of the first docs I saw - who understood thyroid / adrenal

issues,

> > has

> > > all his patients go up every two weeks. He also said that many

times

> > people

> > > feel worse at the 1-2 grain dosage, because their own thyroid

gland (once

> > > starting on meds) will take a rest and let the meds do the work

- so you

> > > basically go backwards. He said at that point, many people will

think

> > " Oh,

> > > I'm feeling worse, I don't like this med or dosage " , but

it's because

> > they

> > > need more. If you hang out there for 6 weeks, you'll be really

miserable

> > and

> > > put your thyroid gland under more stress.

> > >

> > > Of course, your adrenals need to be able to handle all this

thyroid

> > > supplementation.

> > >

> > > L

> > > *

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Have you done the temperature and blood pressure tests to assess

your thyroid and adrenal status?

From:

Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On

Behalf Of Ann

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:28 AM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Re: OT: Armour and Testing thyroid (was) OT:

thyroid test

I was reading on stop the thyroid madness last

night because I think I need either adrenal support or thyroid. Not sure which

one yet. A nyway I found a site that sells thiroyd and thyroid-s without a

prescription. It is edrugnet.com. I am going to order 120 grains but I can't

remember the price but wasn't too much. Is anyone using isocort to support

their adrenals? I have some but don't know for sure how long to use it and when

to add in the thyroid-s. Yours, Ann

> > >

> > > *Sublingual is great for Armour. If you are taking T3 only, you

don't

> > have

> > > to worry about food. From what I recall..........only T4 binds

to

> > calcium,

> > > iron, etc.

> > >

> > > If want your doc to prescribe more T3 and you are on Armour, and

he

> > thinks

> > > your blood work looks fine....you can stop your armour a few

days before

> > > labs and your FT3 will drop fast, but your FT4 will stay up.

> > >

> > > I don't agree with waiting 6 weeks to adjust a thyroid dosage

-even

> > though

> > > it takes a while for T4 to build. This would mean, if you start

off at

> > 1/2

> > > a grain and increase every 6 weeks it would take 6 months to

reach 2

> > grains

> > > (and many people are on 3 or 4). This is crazy. Increase every

two weeks

> > -

> > > as soon as you feel any hypER symptoms (such as shakiness,

racing heart,

> > > moodiness, etc). Just don't take your meds for the next day or

two, and

> > go

> > > back to the previous dose. The 6 week protocol is classical

medical

> > > training and can often leave people undertreated.

> > >

> > > One of the first docs I saw - who understood thyroid / adrenal

issues,

> > has

> > > all his patients go up every two weeks. He also said that many

times

> > people

> > > feel worse at the 1-2 grain dosage, because their own thyroid

gland (once

> > > starting on meds) will take a rest and let the meds do the work

- so you

> > > basically go backwards. He said at that point, many people will

think

> > " Oh,

> > > I'm feeling worse, I don't like this med or dosage " , but

it's because

> > they

> > > need more. If you hang out there for 6 weeks, you'll be really

miserable

> > and

> > > put your thyroid gland under more stress.

> > >

> > > Of course, your adrenals need to be able to handle all this

thyroid

> > > supplementation.

> > >

> > > L

> > > *

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Just a note-- the bottles SAY they are the same thing, but with international type products you really do not KNOW that it is not counterfeit. Its pretty darn easy to print a label and thats all that they would be able to do. I've ordered thyroid meds from India before, so I've done it too! But make sure to be careful, and to really monitor whats going on with your body because you really never know what is in there.

Whitney

 

I have bought thyroid meds online from a Mexican pharmacy (with

no prescription).  It was $50 for what amounted to a 3 month supply for me of

thyroid and I think it was about the same for the cortisol (which I think was

from Canada).  It’s the exact same meds they sell here, just in the ‘Mexican’ or

‘Canadian’ bottles.  Cynomel is Mexico’s version of Cytomel and to me the Cynomel

is actually a bit stronger!  I got them more as a backup than for my regular

supply.

 

So, you don’t need a doc.  You just need to know what you want

to get!  I use this as a last resort type of thing if you can’t find a doc here

to give you what you need.  Just ALWAYS be careful and monitor your symptoms!

 

From:

Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On

Behalf Of Ann

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:40 AM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Re: OT: Armour and Testing thyroid (was) OT:

thyroid test

 

 

Hi ,

Do you mean you can get a mexican doc on line and get a prescription for

$50.00?? I didn't know this but have heard lots of people saying they get their

meds online. I could use a doc. that believes that I really have lyme disease

or at least pretend and prescribe the meds that I need. Thanks, Ann

> > >

> > > *Sublingual is great for Armour. If you are taking T3 only, you

don't

> > have

> > > to worry about food. From what I recall..........only T4 binds

to

> > calcium,

> > > iron, etc.

> > >

> > > If want your doc to prescribe more T3 and you are on Armour, and

he

> > thinks

> > > your blood work looks fine....you can stop your armour a few

days before

> > > labs and your FT3 will drop fast, but your FT4 will stay up.

> > >

> > > I don't agree with waiting 6 weeks to adjust a thyroid dosage

-even

> > though

> > > it takes a while for T4 to build. This would mean, if you start

off at

> > 1/2

> > > a grain and increase every 6 weeks it would take 6 months to

reach 2

> > grains

> > > (and many people are on 3 or 4). This is crazy. Increase every

two weeks

> > -

> > > as soon as you feel any hypER symptoms (such as shakiness,

racing heart,

> > > moodiness, etc). Just don't take your meds for the next day or

two, and

> > go

> > > back to the previous dose. The 6 week protocol is classical

medical

> > > training and can often leave people undertreated.

> > >

> > > One of the first docs I saw - who understood thyroid / adrenal

issues,

> > has

> > > all his patients go up every two weeks. He also said that many

times

> > people

> > > feel worse at the 1-2 grain dosage, because their own thyroid

gland (once

> > > starting on meds) will take a rest and let the meds do the work

- so you

> > > basically go backwards. He said at that point, many people will

think

> > " Oh,

> > > I'm feeling worse, I don't like this med or dosage " , but

it's because

> > they

> > > need more. If you hang out there for 6 weeks, you'll be really

miserable

> > and

> > > put your thyroid gland under more stress.

> > >

> > > Of course, your adrenals need to be able to handle all this

thyroid

> > > supplementation.

> > >

> > > L

> > > *

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

-- Whitney Schmucker

[Guest guest]

Love " my mexican pharmacy " .

Tamara

> > > > >

> > > > > *Sublingual is great for Armour. If you are taking T3 only, you don't

> > > > have

> > > > > to worry about food. From what I recall..........only T4 binds to

> > > > calcium,

> > > > > iron, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > If want your doc to prescribe more T3 and you are on Armour, and he

> > > > thinks

> > > > > your blood work looks fine....you can stop your armour a few days

> > before

> > > > > labs and your FT3 will drop fast, but your FT4 will stay up.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't agree with waiting 6 weeks to adjust a thyroid dosage -even

> > > > though

> > > > > it takes a while for T4 to build. This would mean, if you start off

> > at

> > > > 1/2

> > > > > a grain and increase every 6 weeks it would take 6 months to reach 2

> > > > grains

> > > > > (and many people are on 3 or 4). This is crazy. Increase every two

> > weeks

> > > > -

> > > > > as soon as you feel any hypER symptoms (such as shakiness, racing

> > heart,

> > > > > moodiness, etc). Just don't take your meds for the next day or two,

> > and

> > > > go

> > > > > back to the previous dose. The 6 week protocol is classical medical

> > > > > training and can often leave people undertreated.

> > > > >

> > > > > One of the first docs I saw - who understood thyroid / adrenal

> > issues,

> > > > has

> > > > > all his patients go up every two weeks. He also said that many times

> > > > people

> > > > > feel worse at the 1-2 grain dosage, because their own thyroid gland

> > (once

> > > > > starting on meds) will take a rest and let the meds do the work - so

> > you

> > > > > basically go backwards. He said at that point, many people will think

> > > > " Oh,

> > > > > I'm feeling worse, I don't like this med or dosage " , but it's because

> > > > they

> > > > > need more. If you hang out there for 6 weeks, you'll be really

> > miserable

> > > > and

> > > > > put your thyroid gland under more stress.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, your adrenals need to be able to handle all this thyroid

> > > > > supplementation.

> > > > >

> > > > > L

> > > > > *

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Whitney Schmucker

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Did you think I was not going to stop Synthroid 1 week before the test... :-)

C'mon!

Okay, so lets assume when I get back on Armour and I am self adjusting, what

happens if I start taking too much? Am I aiming to get close to hYper or don't

I want to go that far?

Well I presume the test will tell if I am a good converter or not, but my

preference

is still Armour... Right now I have gained back some of that lost fatigue when I

started Synthroid, said this may happen, it did.. I am sleeping better,

but

not last night, but all the other nights since starting it is helping me sleep

better.

I've got to find the right dose, once I do then I will be able to tell how much

fatigue

is still Lyme... I don't believe all of my fatigue is Lyme, I think thyroid

takes the blame

for some if not a lot...

Jim

> > >

> > > *Sublingual is great for Armour. If you are taking T3 only, you don't

> > have

> > > to worry about food. From what I recall..........only T4 binds to

> > calcium,

> > > iron, etc.

> > >

> > > If want your doc to prescribe more T3 and you are on Armour, and he

> > thinks

> > > your blood work looks fine....you can stop your armour a few days before

> > > labs and your FT3 will drop fast, but your FT4 will stay up.

> > >

> > > I don't agree with waiting 6 weeks to adjust a thyroid dosage -even

> > though

> > > it takes a while for T4 to build. This would mean, if you start off at

> > 1/2

> > > a grain and increase every 6 weeks it would take 6 months to reach 2

> > grains

> > > (and many people are on 3 or 4). This is crazy. Increase every two weeks

> > -

> > > as soon as you feel any hypER symptoms (such as shakiness, racing heart,

> > > moodiness, etc). Just don't take your meds for the next day or two, and

> > go

> > > back to the previous dose. The 6 week protocol is classical medical

> > > training and can often leave people undertreated.

> > >

> > > One of the first docs I saw - who understood thyroid / adrenal issues,

> > has

> > > all his patients go up every two weeks. He also said that many times

> > people

> > > feel worse at the 1-2 grain dosage, because their own thyroid gland (once

> > > starting on meds) will take a rest and let the meds do the work - so you

> > > basically go backwards. He said at that point, many people will think

> > " Oh,

> > > I'm feeling worse, I don't like this med or dosage " , but it's because

> > they

> > > need more. If you hang out there for 6 weeks, you'll be really miserable

> > and

> > > put your thyroid gland under more stress.

> > >

> > > Of course, your adrenals need to be able to handle all this thyroid

> > > supplementation.

> > >

> > > L

> > > *

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ann,

Good find... :-)

I am not familiar with a generic Armour, as far as I knew, Armour was the brand

and Naturethroid and Westhroid were considered the only generics...

Anyone familiar with Armour generic called " Thiroyd " or Thyroid-s? "

http://www.edrugnet.com/showprice.asp?Page=2 & name=T & sname=t & ptype=Generic & bysear\

ch=

Ann, the price on this looks reasonable, I priced Armour at Costco a few weeks

ago and it was pretty close to this best I remembered... This may be a bit

higher, but not much...

Jim

> > > >

> > > > *Sublingual is great for Armour. If you are taking T3 only, you don't

> > > have

> > > > to worry about food. From what I recall..........only T4 binds to

> > > calcium,

> > > > iron, etc.

> > > >

> > > > If want your doc to prescribe more T3 and you are on Armour, and he

> > > thinks

> > > > your blood work looks fine....you can stop your armour a few days before

> > > > labs and your FT3 will drop fast, but your FT4 will stay up.

> > > >

> > > > I don't agree with waiting 6 weeks to adjust a thyroid dosage -even

> > > though

> > > > it takes a while for T4 to build. This would mean, if you start off at

> > > 1/2

> > > > a grain and increase every 6 weeks it would take 6 months to reach 2

> > > grains

> > > > (and many people are on 3 or 4). This is crazy. Increase every two weeks

> > > -

> > > > as soon as you feel any hypER symptoms (such as shakiness, racing heart,

> > > > moodiness, etc). Just don't take your meds for the next day or two, and

> > > go

> > > > back to the previous dose. The 6 week protocol is classical medical

> > > > training and can often leave people undertreated.

> > > >

> > > > One of the first docs I saw - who understood thyroid / adrenal issues,

> > > has

> > > > all his patients go up every two weeks. He also said that many times

> > > people

> > > > feel worse at the 1-2 grain dosage, because their own thyroid gland

(once

> > > > starting on meds) will take a rest and let the meds do the work - so you

> > > > basically go backwards. He said at that point, many people will think

> > > " Oh,

> > > > I'm feeling worse, I don't like this med or dosage " , but it's because

> > > they

> > > > need more. If you hang out there for 6 weeks, you'll be really miserable

> > > and

> > > > put your thyroid gland under more stress.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, your adrenals need to be able to handle all this thyroid

> > > > supplementation.

> > > >

> > > > L

> > > > *

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

 

Hi ,

Did you think I was not going to stop Synthroid 1 week before the test... :-) C'mon!

Okay, so lets assume when I get back on Armour and I am self adjusting, what

happens if I start taking too much? Am I aiming to get close to hYper or don't

I want to go that far?  This happens to me all the time.  I hold steady on 2 grains for a few weeks, but it just isn't quite enough.  Then I'll take 2.5 for a few days or even a week.  When I have a day that I'm a little shaky, maybe my heart is a little fast - then the next day I'll back down to 2.  Believe me, you've had far worse herxing days than a day with a little too much thyroid.  As long as you are paying attention - you can back off the next day.  If you're not paying attention and you get really hyper - just stop your dose for a day or two.  People get so freakin' exact about thyroid - as if our bodies need the exact amount of it everyday.  That's illogical.  Some days we need more protein, water, sleep, Vit C, etc.  It's the same with thyroid - only not so instant. 

 

THIS IS IMPORTANT:Also, if your adrenals can't handle the thyroid you will have hyperT symptoms - even though you are fatigued and undertreated.  Remember back in March/April when I fried my adrenals from over coiling?  I had to back down to .5-1 grain of Armour.  My TSH shot up to almost 6, but I couldn't tolerate any more Armour because my adrenal couldn't process it.  I had horrible hypO symptoms, but couldn't take more thyroid.  Now that I've been babying my adrenals for a few months, I'm back up to 2-2.5 grains.  (At one time I was at 3) 

Well I presume the test will tell if I am a good converter or not, but my preference

is still Armour... Right now I have gained back some of that lost fatigue when I

started Synthroid, said this may happen, it did.. I am sleeping better, but

not last night, but all the other nights since starting it is helping me sleep better.

I've got to find the right dose, once I do then I will be able to tell how much fatigue

is still Lyme... I don't believe all of my fatigue is Lyme, I think thyroid takes the blame

for some if not a lot...

Jim

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim,

Your questions about Thiroyd, Thyroid-S, and the other forms of dessicated thyroid are here:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/armour-vs-other-brands/

I recommend reading not only that page but everything at the site--it's very informative and will answer many of your questions about thyroid issues. It's where I got the info I sent you on finding a doc who prescribes Armour. However, be aware that this site does support the use of hydrocortisone for adrenal problems. I got into big trouble following those recommendations, as I've mentioned before. But Lyme is apparently a special case and not many are aware of its ramifications--I was a case in point, even though I'd had (and obviously still have) Lyme myself.

Much info is also available at www.RealThyroidHelp.com

Peggy

Re: OT: Armour and Testing thyroid (was) OT: thyroid test

I am not familiar with a generic Armour, as far as I knew, Armour was the brand and Naturethroid and Westhroid were considered the only generics...Anyone familiar with Armour generic called "Thiroyd" or Thyroid-s?"http://www.edrugnet.com/showprice.asp?Page=2 & name=T & sname=t & ptype=Generic & bysearch=Ann, the price on this looks reasonable, I priced Armour at Costco a few weeks ago and it was pretty close to this best I remembered... This may be a bit higher, but not much... Jim