Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 I have to say that I don't agree..Our bodies continue to produce progesterone, even after our reproductive years, and there are progesterone receptors all over the body..not just the uterus.. I really think HRT is individual..all or nothing thinking is exactly what many of us here are trying to avoid. > > On last night's webcast, Dr. Vliet again warned against excess use of > progesterone. She said women without a uterus should never use it. She > again warned about the progesterone rangers and said they simply are not up > on current research. > > Val > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 I have to say that I don't agree..Our bodies continue to produce progesterone, even after our reproductive years, and there are progesterone receptors all over the body..not just the uterus.. I really think HRT is individual..all or nothing thinking is exactly what many of us here are trying to avoid. > > On last night's webcast, Dr. Vliet again warned against excess use of > progesterone. She said women without a uterus should never use it. She > again warned about the progesterone rangers and said they simply are not up > on current research. > > Val > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 I have to say that I don't agree..Our bodies continue to produce progesterone, even after our reproductive years, and there are progesterone receptors all over the body..not just the uterus.. I really think HRT is individual..all or nothing thinking is exactly what many of us here are trying to avoid. > > On last night's webcast, Dr. Vliet again warned against excess use of > progesterone. She said women without a uterus should never use it. She > again warned about the progesterone rangers and said they simply are not up > on current research. > > Val > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 > > > > On last night's webcast, Dr. Vliet again warned against excess use of > > progesterone. She said women without a uterus should never use it. > She > > again warned about the progesterone rangers and said they simply are > not up > > on current research. > > > > Val > > >I don't agree with Dr. Vliet either about progesterone. We have 3 types of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone so why wouldn't you want to replace them even if you don't have a uterus. I think she is thinking " old school " because all the doc's that I have talked to that know about BHRT recommend progesterone. I would think you would get even more estrogen dominant. I know the body needs to be in a certain rhythm and it is like being out of tune when one of the hor- mones isn't replaced. Just my view on things. Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 > > > > On last night's webcast, Dr. Vliet again warned against excess use of > > progesterone. She said women without a uterus should never use it. > She > > again warned about the progesterone rangers and said they simply are > not up > > on current research. > > > > Val > > >I don't agree with Dr. Vliet either about progesterone. We have 3 types of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone so why wouldn't you want to replace them even if you don't have a uterus. I think she is thinking " old school " because all the doc's that I have talked to that know about BHRT recommend progesterone. I would think you would get even more estrogen dominant. I know the body needs to be in a certain rhythm and it is like being out of tune when one of the hor- mones isn't replaced. Just my view on things. Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 > > > > On last night's webcast, Dr. Vliet again warned against excess use of > > progesterone. She said women without a uterus should never use it. > She > > again warned about the progesterone rangers and said they simply are > not up > > on current research. > > > > Val > > >I don't agree with Dr. Vliet either about progesterone. We have 3 types of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone so why wouldn't you want to replace them even if you don't have a uterus. I think she is thinking " old school " because all the doc's that I have talked to that know about BHRT recommend progesterone. I would think you would get even more estrogen dominant. I know the body needs to be in a certain rhythm and it is like being out of tune when one of the hor- mones isn't replaced. Just my view on things. Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Hi Noel (assuming that is your name) I don't know if you would consider this insomnia but I had extreme anxiety due to the Progesterone, that did not allow me to sleep. My sleep has been messed up ever since. I don't sleep good most nights anymore, 3 1/2 years after stopping the high doses of P. Not sure it's all to blame but that's when things went to real hell in a hand basket for me. Progesterone did not help my "estrogen dominance". I still ended up with depression, anxiety, and endometrial cancer (10 years ago) Not sure what the solution is. I"m hoping it's time and that the time will be up soon. Liz ___________________________________ www.ojaipaintedminis.com http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of noel1stanleySent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:43 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: Progesterone Hello. I am writing to get a piece of advice from the group. I did not do Wiley per se; however, the results were catastrophic for me as well. In June of 2007, I was given Depo-Provera to counter the estrogen dominance that I had and that resulted in a uterine fibroid. In February of 2008, I was given so-called bio-identical progesterone to take to revitalize my periods. I took 75mg. by pill once a day for ten weeks. I have not had progesterone since April 2008. I have had horrible insomnia since, and still suffer today.My question is this: did any of you have horrible insomnia as a result of the progesterone, and if you did, how long did it take to resume your normal sleep patterns? Please let me know. Taking the so-called BIHRT is the all time worst mistake in my life. In fact, I felt WORSE with the pills than I did with Depo-Provera! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 I would surmise that it's tied to the adrenals. It might be prudent to check that out. I know that when I stopped progesterone cream, it greatly affected my aldosterone (another adrenal hormone). But then again I also know a few women on a load of progesterone who's cortisol had lowered. Sam > > Hi Noel (assuming that is your name) > > I don't know if you would consider this insomnia but I had extreme anxiety > due to the Progesterone, that did not allow me to sleep. My sleep has been > messed up ever since. I don't sleep good most nights anymore, 3 1/2 years > after stopping the high doses of P. Not sure it's all to blame but that's > when things went to real hell in a hand basket for me. > > Progesterone did not help my " estrogen dominance " . I still ended up with > depression, anxiety, and endometrial cancer (10 years ago) > > Not sure what the solution is. I " m hoping it's time and that the time will > be up soon. > > Liz > > ___________________________________ > <http://www.ojaipaintedminis.com/> www.ojaipaintedminis.com > > <http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand> > http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand > > > _____ > > From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] > On Behalf Of noel1stanley > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:43 PM > To: rhythmicliving > Subject: Progesterone > > > > Hello. > I am writing to get a piece of advice from the group. I did not do > Wiley per se; however, the results were catastrophic for me as well. > In June of 2007, I was given Depo-Provera to counter the estrogen > dominance that I had and that resulted in a uterine fibroid. In > February of 2008, I was given so-called bio-identical progesterone to > take to revitalize my periods. I took 75mg. by pill once a day for ten > weeks. I have not had progesterone since April 2008. > I have had horrible insomnia since, and still suffer today. > > My question is this: did any of you have horrible insomnia as a result > of the progesterone, and if you did, how long did it take to resume > your normal sleep patterns? > > Please let me know. > > Taking the so-called BIHRT is the all time worst mistake in my life. > In fact, I felt WORSE with the pills than I did with Depo-Provera! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Hi Sam Yes, I know my adrenals are a major player. When the anxiety was really bad, my saliva cortisol was off the charts on all 4 times. Then it tanked. Now i'm at least not flatlined. I have tried Isocort but it causes terrible stomach pain. It did help some. Then I tried Cortef, caused more anxiety. I'm now using the 1% cortisone cream but it's not the same and it has such toxic ingredients. I'm not sure how to support the adrenals. P just makes things worse also. I still have major internal trembling, twitchy muscles, sleep issues, headaches, some sweating in bed. Muscles cramps in my feet and shins. And god knows what else. I feel like I've tried everything and nothing works. So, now I'm weaning off the creams and going onto patches. Liz ___________________________________ www.ojaipaintedminis.com http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of SamSent: Friday, October 10, 2008 6:17 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: Re: Progesterone I would surmise that it's tied to the adrenals. It might be prudent to check that out. I know that when I stopped progesterone cream, it greatly affected my aldosterone (another adrenal hormone). But then again I also know a few women on a load of progesterone who's cortisol had lowered. Sam >> .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Did you try Cortef/hydrocortisone 5mg four times a day? Or prednisoLone (not prednisOne) 5mg once a day - or Medrol 4mg once per day)? Have you read: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq ? If you know adrenals are a major factor but you've having issues treating them, and the stuff I just mentioned isn't working, there's a new adrenal group that's formed which I'm getting some spectacular adrenal info from. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Adrenal_Help Hope this helps Sam ===== > Hi Sam > > Yes, I know my adrenals are a major player. When the anxiety was really > bad, > my saliva cortisol was off the charts on all 4 times. Then it tanked. Now > i'm at least not flatlined. I have tried Isocort but it causes terrible > stomach pain. It did help some. Then I tried Cortef, caused more anxiety. > I'm now using the 1% cortisone cream but it's not the same and it has such > toxic ingredients. I'm not sure how to support the adrenals. P just makes > things worse also. I still have major internal trembling, twitchy muscles, > sleep issues, headaches, some sweating in bed. Muscles cramps in my feet > and > shins. And god knows what else. I feel like I've tried everything and > nothing works. So, now I'm weaning off the creams and going onto patches. > > Liz > > _____ > > From: rhythmicliving > [mailto:rhythmicliving ] > On Behalf Of Sam > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 6:17 PM > To: rhythmicliving > Subject: Re: Progesterone > > > > I would surmise that it's tied to the adrenals. It might be prudent > to check that out. I know that when I stopped progesterone cream, it > greatly affected my aldosterone (another adrenal hormone). But then > again I also know a few women on a load of progesterone who's > cortisol had lowered. > > Sam > > >> >> > > Visit > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rhythmicliving;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMjltaHNyBF9TAzk3M > zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzODQzMjQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MjIxNQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwB > HN0aW1lAzEyMjM2ODc4MDM-> Your Group > Meditation and > > Lovingkindness > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13r4g0bpi/M=493064.12016231.12582634.9706571/D= > grphealth/S=1705062215:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1223695003/L=/B=sINaCULaX.M-/J=1223687 > 803372903/A=5191951/R=0/SIG=11iiaadso/*http://new.groups.yahoo.com/giftoflov > ingkindness> > > A Yahoo! Group > > to share and learn. > > Yahoo! Health > > Healthy > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13rdj3vum/M=493064.12016303.12582636.9706571/D= > grphealth/S=1705062215:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1223695003/L=/B=sYNaCULaX.M-/J=1223687 > 803372903/A=5191950/R=0/SIG=12ekfsqmu/*http://health.yahoo.com/aging-overvie > w/healthy-aging/healthwise--tn9719.html> Aging > > Improve your > > quality of life. > > Search Ads > > Get > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13rvjclib/M=493064.12016308.12445700.8674578/D= > grphealth/S=1705062215:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1223695003/L=/B=soNaCULaX.M-/J=1223687 > 803372903/A=3848641/R=0/SIG=1312g85fq/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/ > srchv2.php?o=US2003 & cmp=Yahoo & ctv=Groups2 & s=Y & s2= & s3= & b=50> new customers. > > List your web site > > in Yahoo! Search. > > . > > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=13843247/grpspId=1705062215/msgI > d=18785/stime=1223687803/nc1=5191951/nc2=5191950/nc3=3848641> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Liz, many of your symptoms sound like me, and my sleep issues, cramps, twitch muscles, etc. are caused by low and fluctuating potassium. Val From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Liz Vernand Hi Sam Yes, I know my adrenals are a major player. When the anxiety was really bad, my saliva cortisol was off the charts on all 4 times. Then it tanked. Now i'm at least not flatlined. I have tried Isocort but it causes terrible stomach pain. It did help some. Then I tried Cortef, caused more anxiety. I'm now using the 1% cortisone cream but it's not the same and it has such toxic ingredients. I'm not sure how to support the adrenals. P just makes things worse also. I still have major internal trembling, twitchy muscles, sleep issues, headaches, some sweating in bed. Muscles cramps in my feet and shins. And god knows what else. I feel like I've tried everything and nothing works. So, now I'm weaning off the creams and going onto patches. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 I will check this out, Val, thanks! How are you doing, btw? Did you ever get anything resolved? ___________________________________ www.ojaipaintedminis.com http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Valarie Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:57 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: RE: Re: Progesterone Liz, many of your symptoms sound like me, and my sleep issues, cramps, twitch muscles, etc. are caused by low and fluctuating potassium. Val From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Liz Vernand Hi Sam Yes, I know my adrenals are a major player. When the anxiety was really bad, my saliva cortisol was off the charts on all 4 times. Then it tanked. Now i'm at least not flatlined. I have tried Isocort but it causes terrible stomach pain. It did help some. Then I tried Cortef, caused more anxiety. I'm now using the 1% cortisone cream but it's not the same and it has such toxic ingredients. I'm not sure how to support the adrenals. P just makes things worse also. I still have major internal trembling, twitchy muscles, sleep issues, headaches, some sweating in bed. Muscles cramps in my feet and shins. And god knows what else. I feel like I've tried everything and nothing works. So, now I'm weaning off the creams and going onto patches. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 I'm taking an aldosterone blocker (spironolactone) and trying to live life. I'm still looking for a place to have adrenal vein sampling. Thanks for asking. Val From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Liz Vernand I will check this out, Val, thanks! How are you doing, btw? Did you ever get anything resolved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Liz: I actually saw Vliet and she told me that what I went through was, in part, progesterone withdrawal. During the worst of it, I was near convulsing. I also experienced horrible agitation and anxiety and a black, near-psychotic depression. The scary part is that I only took a small amount of P and did fine on it for mos. I think it started to bother me when my E levels dropped and/or I got some conversion to cortisol as well. I get my P from my excellent pharmacist (a good friend and so knowledgeable on hormones/homeopathic/etc that he really is an ND..all he lacks is the paper). If you email me privately, I'll gladly share his info. With a doc's 'script, I'm sure he would make you some. Angie > > > > > > > > At one point when I was unable to tolerate Armour, I succumbed to the > > > > Internet wisdom of taking Cortef. It drove me absolutely mad. So does > > > > prednisone;. My cortisol was about the middle of each range but I kept > > > > listening to Internet Wisdom about where, in range, cortisol was > > supposed > > > to > > > > be. For me, it was just very bad information. > > > > > > > > Liz, have you been tested for pheochromocytoma? I think an easy > > screening > > > > test is plasma metanephrines. Generally, it is diagnosed with a > 24-hour > > > > urine. > > > > > > > > Val > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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