Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Hi There's a very good book on treating cats & dogs - Herbal Handbook for the Cat & Dog by Julliette de Bairaicli Levy Sally > Hi everyone, > has anybody got any experience of treating animals with herbs? after a > car accident my cat has ended up with a broken tail, itself resulting > in poor bladder control. so he is now incontinent, and that is no fun > at all!! it is supposed to get better as the nerve damage due to the > broken tail slowly heals. i wondered whether there were any herbs, > different from the ones one would give a human, that would help > restore bladder control and speed up the nerve healing? any > suggestions welcome. > many thanks, > j-christophe > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Hello j-christophe, Given your cat was in a car accident, chances are likely that there is further internal damage than just a broken tail, even if only internal bruising and inflammation. How long ago was the accident? In situations such as these homeopathic Arnica may be the first course of action: 30C potency, one dose a day for three days. The easiest way to give hoemopathic pellets to an animal is to place two pellets on a teaspoon. Place a matching teaspoon over top and crush the pellets between the two spoons. Push the crushed pellets towards the tip of the spoon and opening the cat's mouth slide them into the tongue where they will immediately dissolve. Following this (and assuming your cat is not on any pharmaceuticals or has other conditions), herbal glycerites in equal parts of Hypericum, Plantago, Avena, Equisetum and Calendula. Dosing can be one drop for every pound of cat (sorry, don't know in stone) twice a day in food. BTW, cats (and dogs) heal faster and have the best quality of life when on a good, homemade diet. Lots of books available; let me know if you'd like some titles to peruse. Hope this helps, Kerry jchristophe65 wrote: > Hi everyone, > has anybody got any experience of treating animals with herbs? after a > car accident my cat has ended up with a broken tail, itself resulting > in poor bladder control. so he is now incontinent, and that is no fun > at all!! it is supposed to get better as the nerve damage due to the > broken tail slowly heals. i wondered whether there were any herbs, > different from the ones one would give a human, that would help > restore bladder control and speed up the nerve healing? any > suggestions welcome. > many thanks, > j-christophe > -- Kerry Hackett, MNIMH, RH Medical Herbalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Hello Jean-Christophe I agree with Kerry with one exception - NOT equisetum. This is TOXIC TO CATS. I'd try Elymus repens (aka Agropyron repens)instead. A friend successfully treated her cat with this for recurrent bladder infections. Elymus has healing and protective qualities which is probably what your cat needs after trauma. Let me know how you get on. Best regards (to you and to cat!) Alix Re: weak bladder in cat! Hello j-christophe, Given your cat was in a car accident, chances are likely that there is further internal damage than just a broken tail, even if only internal bruising and inflammation. How long ago was the accident? In situations such as these homeopathic Arnica may be the first course of action: 30C potency, one dose a day for three days. The easiest way to give hoemopathic pellets to an animal is to place two pellets on a teaspoon. Place a matching teaspoon over top and crush the pellets between the two spoons. Push the crushed pellets towards the tip of the spoon and opening the cat's mouth slide them into the tongue where they will immediately dissolve. Following this (and assuming your cat is not on any pharmaceuticals or has other conditions), herbal glycerites in equal parts of Hypericum, Plantago, Avena, Equisetum and Calendula. Dosing can be one drop for every pound of cat (sorry, don't know in stone) twice a day in food. BTW, cats (and dogs) heal faster and have the best quality of life when on a good, homemade diet. Lots of books available; let me know if you'd like some titles to peruse. Hope this helps, Kerry jchristophe65 wrote: > Hi everyone, > has anybody got any experience of treating animals with herbs? after a > car accident my cat has ended up with a broken tail, itself resulting > in poor bladder control. so he is now incontinent, and that is no fun > at all!! it is supposed to get better as the nerve damage due to the > broken tail slowly heals. i wondered whether there were any herbs, > different from the ones one would give a human, that would help > restore bladder control and speed up the nerve healing? any > suggestions welcome. > many thanks, > j-christophe > -- Kerry Hackett, MNIMH, RH Medical Herbalist List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Hi, There is a very good online group called CATWELL, that is run by a homeopathic vet, she also includes herbs etc in her treatment plans. It is a very active group, and I am amazed how this lady who is very busy, is still able to respond to the emails on her list The group name and the name of the lady running it is listed below. CATWELL Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) take care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Hello Jean-Christophe, The comment re: Homeopathic vet reminded me the NIMH has/had at least one herbal vet as a member - as I remember, the register had her listed under a separate heading... Benn -- Benn Abdy- MCPP Medical Herbalist Windsor & London 0 or 07957 65 88 90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Hi Alix and Jean-Christophe, I have used Equisteum many a time with cats and have never had a problem nor have I read anything to say otherwise. Would you please explain your concern? In addition, I neglected to mention the website of the Veterinary Botanical Medicine Association (www.vbma.org) where you will find a " Find a Practitoner " box on their homepage. Perhaps you will find someone there who is in your area. My understanding is that Meagan (vet with herbal training) has now moved to Australia and is no longer a member of the NIMH. Cheers, Kerry Alix Rodwell wrote: > Hello Jean-Christophe > > I agree with Kerry with one exception - NOT equisetum. This is TOXIC TO > CATS. I'd try Elymus repens (aka Agropyron repens)instead. A friend > successfully treated her cat with this for recurrent bladder infections. > Elymus has healing and protective qualities which is probably what > your cat > needs after trauma. Let me know how you get on. > > Best regards (to you and to cat!) > > Alix > > Re: weak bladder in cat! > > Hello j-christophe, > > Given your cat was in a car accident, chances are likely that there is > further internal damage than just a broken tail, even if only internal > bruising and inflammation. How long ago was the accident? In situations > such as these homeopathic Arnica may be the first course of action: 30C > potency, one dose a day for three days. The easiest way to give > hoemopathic pellets to an animal is to place two pellets on a teaspoon. > Place a matching teaspoon over top and crush the pellets between the two > spoons. Push the crushed pellets towards the tip of the spoon and > opening the cat's mouth slide them into the tongue where they will > immediately dissolve. Following this (and assuming your cat is not on > any pharmaceuticals or has other conditions), herbal glycerites in equal > parts of Hypericum, Plantago, Avena, Equisetum and Calendula. Dosing can > be one drop for every pound of cat (sorry, don't know in stone) twice a > day in food. BTW, cats (and dogs) heal faster and have the best quality > of life when on a good, homemade diet. Lots of books available; let me > know if you'd like some titles to peruse. > > Hope this helps, > Kerry > > jchristophe65 wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > has anybody got any experience of treating animals with herbs? after a > > car accident my cat has ended up with a broken tail, itself resulting > > in poor bladder control. so he is now incontinent, and that is no fun > > at all!! it is supposed to get better as the nerve damage due to the > > broken tail slowly heals. i wondered whether there were any herbs, > > different from the ones one would give a human, that would help > > restore bladder control and speed up the nerve healing? any > > suggestions welcome. > > many thanks, > > j-christophe > > > -- > Kerry Hackett, MNIMH, RH > Medical Herbalist > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Hi , Just a small correction: Irene is not a homeopathic vet; she has a diploma in veterinary homeopathy. I used to correspond with her on another email group a number of years ago when I also completed my diploma in veterinary homeopathy. Cheers, Kerry gallant wrote: > Hi, > > There is a very good online group called CATWELL, that is run by a > homeopathic vet, she also includes herbs etc in her treatment plans. > > It is a very active group, and I am amazed how this lady who is very > busy, > is still able to respond to the emails on her list > > The group name and the name of the lady running it is listed below. > > CATWELL <mailto:CATWELL%40yahoogroups.com> > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. > P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. > www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) > > take care > > > > -- Kerry Hackett, MNIMH, RH Medical Herbalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Hi both Got this information first from the vet who was treating my friend's cat (she was herb-friendly and approved suggestion and use of Elymus), and then googled it, because I hadn't heard of it either. Found two or three refs., but sorry, didn't keep them because thought I would never need it again! Sorry! Maybe you are using really small doses?? Best Alix Re: weak bladder in cat! > > Hello j-christophe, > > Given your cat was in a car accident, chances are likely that there is > further internal damage than just a broken tail, even if only internal > bruising and inflammation. How long ago was the accident? In situations > such as these homeopathic Arnica may be the first course of action: 30C > potency, one dose a day for three days. The easiest way to give > hoemopathic pellets to an animal is to place two pellets on a teaspoon. > Place a matching teaspoon over top and crush the pellets between the two > spoons. Push the crushed pellets towards the tip of the spoon and > opening the cat's mouth slide them into the tongue where they will > immediately dissolve. Following this (and assuming your cat is not on > any pharmaceuticals or has other conditions), herbal glycerites in equal > parts of Hypericum, Plantago, Avena, Equisetum and Calendula. Dosing can > be one drop for every pound of cat (sorry, don't know in stone) twice a > day in food. BTW, cats (and dogs) heal faster and have the best quality > of life when on a good, homemade diet. Lots of books available; let me > know if you'd like some titles to peruse. > > Hope this helps, > Kerry > > jchristophe65 wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > has anybody got any experience of treating animals with herbs? after a > > car accident my cat has ended up with a broken tail, itself resulting > > in poor bladder control. so he is now incontinent, and that is no fun > > at all!! it is supposed to get better as the nerve damage due to the > > broken tail slowly heals. i wondered whether there were any herbs, > > different from the ones one would give a human, that would help > > restore bladder control and speed up the nerve healing? any > > suggestions welcome. > > many thanks, > > j-christophe > > > -- > Kerry Hackett, MNIMH, RH > Medical Herbalist > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Hi Kerry, Thank you for clarifying this information. It's nice knowing of your extended knowledge and skills in this area. What a lovely complement to your work. Where did you do your diploma? S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 Hi Alix, I still would like to hear on what this concern is based. I have looked through my resources and the closest thing I can find is a caution regarding large quantities of the herb eaten by livestock (completely different species) and watching where it has been gathered (same for humans). No where can I find it contraindicated in cats and, more importantly, no where can I find any problem with either tincture, glycerite or tea. Perhaps the caution is based on raw herb, large quantities and livestock reports? The only other thing I could say is that I have seen horsetail on a list along with some household plants that should be avoided by pets. However, again this would refer to raw herb and not in processed form. Oddly enough, most of my resources actually recommend Equisetum for both dogs and cats in a number of urinary conditions. And, as I mentioned previously, I have never had any problems with it thus far in either cats or dogs. Any thoughts? Anyone? Cheers, Kerry Alix Rodwell wrote: > Hi both > > Got this information first from the vet who was treating my friend's cat > (she was herb-friendly and approved suggestion and use of Elymus), and > then > googled it, because I hadn't heard of it either. Found two or three refs., > but sorry, didn't keep them because thought I would never need it again! > Sorry! Maybe you are using really small doses?? > > Best > > Alix > > Re: weak bladder in cat! > > > > Hello j-christophe, > > > > Given your cat was in a car accident, chances are likely that there is > > further internal damage than just a broken tail, even if only internal > > bruising and inflammation. How long ago was the accident? In situations > > such as these homeopathic Arnica may be the first course of action: 30C > > potency, one dose a day for three days. The easiest way to give > > hoemopathic pellets to an animal is to place two pellets on a teaspoon. > > Place a matching teaspoon over top and crush the pellets between the two > > spoons. Push the crushed pellets towards the tip of the spoon and > > opening the cat's mouth slide them into the tongue where they will > > immediately dissolve. Following this (and assuming your cat is not on > > any pharmaceuticals or has other conditions), herbal glycerites in equal > > parts of Hypericum, Plantago, Avena, Equisetum and Calendula. Dosing can > > be one drop for every pound of cat (sorry, don't know in stone) twice a > > day in food. BTW, cats (and dogs) heal faster and have the best quality > > of life when on a good, homemade diet. Lots of books available; let me > > know if you'd like some titles to peruse. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Kerry > > > > jchristophe65 wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > has anybody got any experience of treating animals with herbs? after a > > > car accident my cat has ended up with a broken tail, itself resulting > > > in poor bladder control. so he is now incontinent, and that is no fun > > > at all!! it is supposed to get better as the nerve damage due to the > > > broken tail slowly heals. i wondered whether there were any herbs, > > > different from the ones one would give a human, that would help > > > restore bladder control and speed up the nerve healing? any > > > suggestions welcome. > > > many thanks, > > > j-christophe > > > > > -- > > Kerry Hackett, MNIMH, RH > > Medical Herbalist > > > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 many thanks for the advice. i am going to get the arnica homeopathic remedy tomorrow and start him on that. would anyone know where i could get hold of the gycerites quickly, failing that what about some crushed tablets? i also forgot to say that there was some blood and grit in urine soemtimes. at the moment he is on Cystaid prescribed by vet. it seems to be glucosamine to help the lining of the bladder. j-christophe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 Hi Jean-Christophe, Has your cat actually been diagnosed with crystals? If so, what type? If there are silicate crystals, I would stay away from Equisetum (despite my previous post). I also think you may have compliance problems with crushed tablets as cats usually avoid strong flavours. The next best option beyond glycerites might be to try, as much as possible, to evaporate the alcohol off tinctures through the use of boiling water. This doesn't get rid of all alcohol, but it does help. I have seen this method work in a pinch, however glycerites are definitely your best bet. Good luck, Kerry jchristophe65 wrote: > many thanks for the advice. i am going to get the arnica homeopathic > remedy tomorrow and start him on that. would anyone know where i could > get hold of the gycerites quickly, failing that what about some > crushed tablets? i also forgot to say that there was some blood and > grit in urine soemtimes. at the moment he is on Cystaid prescribed by > vet. it seems to be glucosamine to help the lining of the bladder. > > j-christophe > > -- Kerry Hackett, MNIMH, RH Medical Herbalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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